Cool that I was the first question, forgot to add that they are much safer as you don't have a massive engine that crashes though the firewall when involved in a head on accident.
2016 BMW i3 94ah(33kwh) here with 90 000kms on the clock. Still has 28.1kwh of usable capacity, which is MORE than BMW quotes (27.2). People don't realise how well these batteries are engineered. Even in 2013(when the i3 came out).
Most South Africans can't afford an EV, but I do echo your sentiment that most South Africans should have an EV experience. I would like to see Toyota South Africa dropping the Corolla Cross hybrid drivetrain into the Quantum/Sesfikile. Or developing a shared Hilux/Quantum/Fortuner Drivetrain. It would be a game changer in South Africa.
We've had an i3 for 6 years... battery capacity is as good as it was when new and range hasn't changed. Unlike an ICE, the power output is the same as when it was brand new...
I didn't watch the entire video but, I would like to comment on the future of electric vehicles in South Africa and the current problems with electric vehicles. South Africa is a decent market for car manufacturers; if they would like to continue participating in the market, they will have to invest in infrastructure implementation. They will not have to develop solutions specifically for SA as it has already been developed for their main markets. The car industry in general, together with the government, will formulate a strategy to implement the installation of infrastructure on a wide scale to increase the feasibility of electric vehicles as a main source of transportation. I think that large electric vehicle stations will develop along major routes, as is the case with current refueling stations. If the electric vehicle manufacturers are smart, they will consider building their own stations along these major routes, exclusive to their brand customers (or at least provide preferential rates or bookings). Additionally, accommodation providers will probably invest in charging infrastructure, which by the time of installation, will probably be within the range of close to a single charge. It is worthy to note that, even though it is much cheaper to run an electric vehicle at the moment, it will become less lucrative when the government starts charging taxes on vehicle charging, as they currently do with conventional fuel. The best solution for the government would be to waive (or at least limit to a large extent) the current taxes and levies included in the fuel price and tax all road users with an e-toll like system. This would enable fair taxation across all fuel types (when considering electricity as a fuel). Electric vehicles will still be cheaper to run but, this might have an effect on the total price. With regards to the electricity supply capacity of Eskom; they are currently promoting private generation capability by increasing the electricity rates. This will eventually lead to a hybrid of private and governmental electrical supply capacity which will soon be enough for the country (at least for the moment). With reduced electrical demand because of the private sector's supply, Eskom will be able to fix their plants, eliminating the need for load shedding. We will have a sufficient electrical supply for the foreseeable future. This is, of course, disregarding political influence.
The other upside of having an electric car especially with the new VW ID Buzz that is launching now is that the electricy can go both ways you can charge the car and the use the electricity for your house from the car again meaning you basically have a backup battery.
I think of charging in terms of 'kilometres added per hour of charge' - this is based on the charger rating and vehicle efficiency, which is far more realistic. It also means it's very easy to work out how much time you need to charge for to get to your destination. So if the efficiency is 20kWh per 100km: Home at 1.7kW = 8.5 km/h (of charging) Home at 7.6kW = 38 km/h DC @ 50kW = 250 km/h DC @ 200kW = 1000 km/h
I think what people are referring to when talking about Eskom is the electricity tariffs and how expensive they are. Spending 11kw per hour for ten hours will cost roughly around 11kw*10hours then multiplied by 2.558 currently tariff rates, so that equates to about 281.38rands per charge. That's alot for most households
If you charge a 100kWh battery on a 50kW charger in 2 hours I would be seriously worried about the life expectancy. You can definitely charge super fast in the middle of the range but under about 10% and above roughly 90% it will need to be slower and usually tapers off quite sharply.
Awesome 👏🏾 thanks man I like this EV gedagtes… Ok my question is you can charge your phone while playing game or so ni so can you not charge a EV while driving like get a lekker generator on a trailer hook them up to your towbar and when you do a Cape Town to Joberg drive just turn the geni on and plug in your car charger and just Gooi 😂😹but is it possible to charge an EV while on the go please check that out and let us know 🙏🏾👍🏾👏🏾
Can I say... I really like EV (POWER) but, I will always love the grunt of a internal combustion. The bigger the better. I do also agree get a EV for the weekly drive and a Crazy v8 or classic for the weekends. I always wanted a v8 El Camino
With regards to your argument about charging vehicles at night... Load-shedding schedules have run right through the nights recently... Either you are not 100% correct or there is, once again, some major corruption going on at ESKOM again - LOL! I agree with you that, for the most part, the 2 hours at night without power should not be a major issue, for now!
I’ve had my 2016 i3 for a year now. It only has a range of around 130 km. I drive 66 km to work and back and sometimes get home from work at 10 pm and have to leave for work again at 5am the next morning. I charge my car with a 16 amp domestic wall plug and even then, only at 10 amps so I don’t blow the circuit breaker in my rented apartment. I have yet to experience load shedding being a problem with charging, even if it happens at night. To be fair, I did purchase a scooter, just in case, but I now only use the scooter for traffic avoidance, not because my car isn’t charged enough to get me to work. People I work with pay R180 in petrol bills to go the same distance that costs me R26… Yes, I can’t drive long distances, but I can fly and hire on the other side if needs be. Go buy an old i3, they’re generally in good nick and the fuel savings are just EPIC ! Be careful though, you’ll never want and ICE car again though…
I hope you can answer mine. In Cars website, VW Polo life 70kW 175nm performance is 10.8s to 100km/h but the the Polo with 85kW 200nm is 11.3s. Is this correct ?
Hi, some potential good news from Australia - A Brisbane based company ' Tritium' won a Global EV charging Tender with Shell in December. From Tritium's press release - 'This agreement is expected to help accelerate the supply of Tritium DC fast chargers to their business operations in Europe, South Africa, Asia, the Middle East and North America, in pursuit of Shell’s ambition to operate 500,000 charge points by 2025 and 2,500,000 by 2030'. Tritium currently offer DC fast chargers ranging from 50 KW/h to 350 KW/h.
Spot on commentary! The cobalt thing however isn’t exactly right and paints a very unfair picture about the industry. It is exactly the same situation as if some guys would set up a township next to Lonmin’s fence and start digging for platinum with their friends. Without safety equipment and complete disregard to the environment. Nobody goes around talking about the unethical platinum extraction and the shoddy working conditions in the North West. It’s literally the same with cobalt in the Congo. Glencore has a huge professional operation in the DRC with hard hats and all yet the media keeps filming the guys next to the fence digging with primitive tools and selling their winnings to the closest Chinese middleman. Always conveniently forgetting to mention and to film Glencore’s fence.
People have loads of issues with charging. Its not a petrol car. Its a cell phone. Plug it in when you can. And batteries on EV's doesn't need to be replaced, unless you drive a leaf. The batteries last for ever. They will outlast the car.
Great review summary ! PLEASE also cover the part where ev's are TERRIBLE for the environment, including the massive additional amounts of coal which needs to be burned to "make ev's exist, to have to move around twice the weight to get the same job done, to manufacture 3 times the ammount of RUBBER tires to to get the same job done, & then you still have to charge car... MORE coal to be burned... Oi ! Scrap the konsept completely untill tech wasvdeveloped well enough in say 30 to 40 years time .. ?
Not necessarily more environmental damage compared to petrol/diesel, the energy conversion from coal to electric to motion is much more efficient than petrol/diesel to combustion/motion, so in that sense, the amount of coal burned produces less carbon emissions than petrol as more of the energy is converted to usable power.
In the SA context, I do believe that that electricity generated at or near a coal powered power station, where the coal is transported a short distance via conveyer belt or local train and immediately burnt in the power station, is less carbon emitting than oil, pumped out of the ground, thousands of km away, shipped in huge carbon emitting super tankers to SA, then heated up and refined (with associated losses) and finally transported to Gauteng, where I stay and eventually pumped into an ICE car. Factor in the 30% efficiency of a petrol powered car to the 80-90% efficiency of my little BMWi3 and I’ll choose not to feel too guilty about my electric car, even if it is coal powered. (ps. No forex required to purchase local coal)
@@markcuttler I absolutely agree with you here. That's so cool! I'd also like a BMW i3 but they're very expensive and well I'm only second year out of high school so not much of an income. Here in PE there are I think 3 BMW i3s and a BMW iX, I happen to drive past the iX basically every day 😂😂beautiful car.
Ciro, referring to CA's comment.... and your response that SA makes just as much electricty at night..... Eskom also loadshed at night too... So while it may only be 2 hours black out at night ... it could be many more hours once the Load Shedding Level changes from 1 - Level 4 or even 5.
For those worrying about battery life and the myth that they need to be replaced check this video out. You just don’t have to ever worry about it. It boils down to a 1% per year of range reduction. So after 20 years you’ll still be at approximately 80% range. ruclips.net/video/nevuonLQgqA/видео.html
Teslas are incredibly expensive. They definitely won't sell like hot cakes in South Africa. Even in rich, developed countries, only the very well off are buying Teslas while the rest of the people make do with Peugeots, Opels and MGs.
Diesel generator outputs what 10kw power, an ev uses 30kw 50kw, and in the case of the bmw ix 385kw of power under acceleration, diesel generator would need to be the size of the car itself, weighing 10tons, just completely impractical unfortunately...
This channel is starting to be annoying with this electric crap. Couldn't you have reviewed a new ICE car instead. Charging your car is annoying and takes too long. Filling up with fuel takes 5 minutes and more simpler and faster
That opening line 😂😂😂😂
Cool that I was the first question, forgot to add that they are much safer as you don't have a massive engine that crashes though the firewall when involved in a head on accident.
2016 BMW i3 94ah(33kwh) here with 90 000kms on the clock. Still has 28.1kwh of usable capacity, which is MORE than BMW quotes (27.2). People don't realise how well these batteries are engineered. Even in 2013(when the i3 came out).
Mine is arriving in 2 weeks. Can't wait. Really enjoyed your video - SA and Australia have so much in common. Big distances, heat dust etc!
Most South Africans can't afford an EV, but I do echo your sentiment that most South Africans should have an EV experience. I would like to see Toyota South Africa dropping the Corolla Cross hybrid drivetrain into the Quantum/Sesfikile. Or developing a shared Hilux/Quantum/Fortuner Drivetrain. It would be a game changer in South Africa.
Or a retrofit would be great.
Or full EV ses'fikile, coming soon*
I think if Renault and VW bring the Spring and eUP!.
Probably the most informative video done on EVs EVER!!! Thanks for this!
Damn i really would've liked a mug especially with winter coming 😹
We'll see what we can do :)
We've had an i3 for 6 years... battery capacity is as good as it was when new and range hasn't changed. Unlike an ICE, the power output is the same as when it was brand new...
I didn't watch the entire video but, I would like to comment on the future of electric vehicles in South Africa and the current problems with electric vehicles.
South Africa is a decent market for car manufacturers; if they would like to continue participating in the market, they will have to invest in infrastructure implementation. They will not have to develop solutions specifically for SA as it has already been developed for their main markets. The car industry in general, together with the government, will formulate a strategy to implement the installation of infrastructure on a wide scale to increase the feasibility of electric vehicles as a main source of transportation. I think that large electric vehicle stations will develop along major routes, as is the case with current refueling stations. If the electric vehicle manufacturers are smart, they will consider building their own stations along these major routes, exclusive to their brand customers (or at least provide preferential rates or bookings). Additionally, accommodation providers will probably invest in charging infrastructure, which by the time of installation, will probably be within the range of close to a single charge.
It is worthy to note that, even though it is much cheaper to run an electric vehicle at the moment, it will become less lucrative when the government starts charging taxes on vehicle charging, as they currently do with conventional fuel. The best solution for the government would be to waive (or at least limit to a large extent) the current taxes and levies included in the fuel price and tax all road users with an e-toll like system. This would enable fair taxation across all fuel types (when considering electricity as a fuel). Electric vehicles will still be cheaper to run but, this might have an effect on the total price.
With regards to the electricity supply capacity of Eskom; they are currently promoting private generation capability by increasing the electricity rates. This will eventually lead to a hybrid of private and governmental electrical supply capacity which will soon be enough for the country (at least for the moment). With reduced electrical demand because of the private sector's supply, Eskom will be able to fix their plants, eliminating the need for load shedding. We will have a sufficient electrical supply for the foreseeable future. This is, of course, disregarding political influence.
Thank you for answering my question on the boot. Can you please test the ix40 the 3 series
The other upside of having an electric car especially with the new VW ID Buzz that is launching now is that the electricy can go both ways you can charge the car and the use the electricity for your house from the car again meaning you basically have a backup battery.
I think of charging in terms of 'kilometres added per hour of charge' - this is based on the charger rating and vehicle efficiency, which is far more realistic. It also means it's very easy to work out how much time you need to charge for to get to your destination. So if the efficiency is 20kWh per 100km:
Home at 1.7kW = 8.5 km/h (of charging)
Home at 7.6kW = 38 km/h
DC @ 50kW = 250 km/h
DC @ 200kW = 1000 km/h
I think what people are referring to when talking about Eskom is the electricity tariffs and how expensive they are. Spending 11kw per hour for ten hours will cost roughly around 11kw*10hours then multiplied by 2.558 currently tariff rates, so that equates to about 281.38rands per charge. That's alot for most households
BYD. Do you know who is the local distributor.
Loving this video
If you charge a 100kWh battery on a 50kW charger in 2 hours I would be seriously worried about the life expectancy. You can definitely charge super fast in the middle of the range but under about 10% and above roughly 90% it will need to be slower and usually tapers off quite sharply.
I really hope the Ora Good Cat, Opel Corsa E and Peugeot 208 E come to SA. We need affordable EVs.
Ora good cat is shit
@@joesephjostar8288 I'm curious, why?
@@joesephjostar8288 ya why?
I'd live a renault zoe
@@TheLiamerator Yes I'd fancy one as well.
Awesome 👏🏾 thanks man I like this EV gedagtes… Ok my question is you can charge your phone while playing game or so ni so can you not charge a EV while driving like get a lekker generator on a trailer hook them up to your towbar and when you do a Cape Town to Joberg drive just turn the geni on and plug in your car charger and just Gooi 😂😹but is it possible to charge an EV while on the go please check that out and let us know 🙏🏾👍🏾👏🏾
Can I say... I really like EV (POWER) but, I will always love the grunt of a internal combustion. The bigger the better. I do also agree get a EV for the weekly drive and a Crazy v8 or classic for the weekends. I always wanted a v8 El Camino
What was the charging speed on dealers.
Is Cirro forgets the spring and VW eUP!
With regards to your argument about charging vehicles at night... Load-shedding schedules have run right through the nights recently... Either you are not 100% correct or there is, once again, some major corruption going on at ESKOM again - LOL! I agree with you that, for the most part, the 2 hours at night without power should not be a major issue, for now!
I’ve had my 2016 i3 for a year now. It only has a range of around 130 km. I drive 66 km to work and back and sometimes get home from work at 10 pm and have to leave for work again at 5am the next morning. I charge my car with a 16 amp domestic wall plug and even then, only at 10 amps so I don’t blow the circuit breaker in my rented apartment. I have yet to experience load shedding being a problem with charging, even if it happens at night. To be fair, I did purchase a scooter, just in case, but I now only use the scooter for traffic avoidance, not because my car isn’t charged enough to get me to work. People I work with pay R180 in petrol bills to go the same distance that costs me R26… Yes, I can’t drive long distances, but I can fly and hire on the other side if needs be. Go buy an old i3, they’re generally in good nick and the fuel savings are just EPIC ! Be careful though, you’ll never want and ICE car again though…
I hope you can answer mine. In Cars website, VW Polo life 70kW 175nm performance is 10.8s to 100km/h but the the Polo with 85kW 200nm is 11.3s. Is this correct ?
Something fishy. Maybe weight difference could be the factor here, 🤷♂️
@@TheLiamerator. It must be an error. Kerb weight difference is only 3kg
@@MzwandileHarmans OK then it's definitely a typo😂
Hi, some potential good news from Australia - A Brisbane based company ' Tritium' won a Global EV charging Tender with Shell in December. From Tritium's press release - 'This agreement is expected to help accelerate the supply of Tritium DC fast chargers to their business operations in Europe, South Africa, Asia, the Middle East and North America, in pursuit of Shell’s ambition to operate 500,000 charge points by 2025 and 2,500,000 by 2030'. Tritium currently offer DC fast chargers ranging from 50 KW/h to 350 KW/h.
Spot on commentary!
The cobalt thing however isn’t exactly right and paints a very unfair picture about the industry. It is exactly the same situation as if some guys would set up a township next to Lonmin’s fence and start digging for platinum with their friends. Without safety equipment and complete disregard to the environment. Nobody goes around talking about the unethical platinum extraction and the shoddy working conditions in the North West. It’s literally the same with cobalt in the Congo. Glencore has a huge professional operation in the DRC with hard hats and all yet the media keeps filming the guys next to the fence digging with primitive tools and selling their winnings to the closest Chinese middleman. Always conveniently forgetting to mention and to film Glencore’s fence.
People have loads of issues with charging. Its not a petrol car. Its a cell phone. Plug it in when you can.
And batteries on EV's doesn't need to be replaced, unless you drive a leaf. The batteries last for ever. They will outlast the car.
No one ever talks about a spare wheel, it’s like EVs are never going to get tyre punctures. But anyway I’m also kak happy EVs are slowly coming to SA.
Great review summary !
PLEASE also cover the part where ev's are TERRIBLE for the environment, including the massive additional amounts of coal which needs to be burned to "make ev's exist, to have to move around twice the weight to get the same job done, to manufacture 3 times the ammount of RUBBER tires to to get the same job done, & then you still have to charge car...
MORE coal to be burned...
Oi !
Scrap the konsept completely untill tech wasvdeveloped well enough in say 30 to 40 years time .. ?
Not necessarily more environmental damage compared to petrol/diesel, the energy conversion from coal to electric to motion is much more efficient than petrol/diesel to combustion/motion, so in that sense, the amount of coal burned produces less carbon emissions than petrol as more of the energy is converted to usable power.
I agree burning coal is still bad for the environment but per km traveled less environmental damage occurs using coal compared to petrol and diesel.
Besides more and more renewable energy sources are being implemented here too.
In the SA context, I do believe that that electricity generated at or near a coal powered power station, where the coal is transported a short distance via conveyer belt or local train and immediately burnt in the power station, is less carbon emitting than oil, pumped out of the ground, thousands of km away, shipped in huge carbon emitting super tankers to SA, then heated up and refined (with associated losses) and finally transported to Gauteng, where I stay and eventually pumped into an ICE car. Factor in the 30% efficiency of a petrol powered car to the 80-90% efficiency of my little BMWi3 and I’ll choose not to feel too guilty about my electric car, even if it is coal powered. (ps. No forex required to purchase local coal)
@@markcuttler I absolutely agree with you here. That's so cool! I'd also like a BMW i3 but they're very expensive and well I'm only second year out of high school so not much of an income. Here in PE there are I think 3 BMW i3s and a BMW iX, I happen to drive past the iX basically every day 😂😂beautiful car.
Curses!power has gone out where I live😠
Ciro, referring to CA's comment.... and your response that SA makes just as much electricty at night..... Eskom also loadshed at night too... So while it may only be 2 hours black out at night ... it could be many more hours once the Load Shedding Level changes from 1 - Level 4 or even 5.
Only Cirro 🤣🤣🤣
England doesn't "have very very good charging stations".
EV has to become more affordable at around R500K
For those worrying about battery life and the myth that they need to be replaced check this video out. You just don’t have to ever worry about it. It boils down to a 1% per year of range reduction. So after 20 years you’ll still be at approximately 80% range.
ruclips.net/video/nevuonLQgqA/видео.html
We are at 350kw. It really charges faster than you can go toilet
Will The Brand Tesla come to this country I think it will sell like hotcakes! And I love them 😇😼
Teslas are incredibly expensive. They definitely won't sell like hot cakes in South Africa. Even in rich, developed countries, only the very well off are buying Teslas while the rest of the people make do with Peugeots, Opels and MGs.
Can't you tow a trailer with a diesel powered generator which can be used to charge the batteries..................I mean 🙄🙄🙄
Diesel generator outputs what 10kw power, an ev uses 30kw 50kw, and in the case of the bmw ix 385kw of power under acceleration, diesel generator would need to be the size of the car itself, weighing 10tons, just completely impractical unfortunately...
... You cant tell us that you just bought a new car and not make a video of said car OR maybe make a video after you've restored it?
Coming soon(ish)!
Lol...as expected
Ciro. A load of BS. I stay in Silverton PTA. From 21h00 to 4h00 in the morning no power? cause that's the time that Eskom can do maintenance.
This channel is starting to be annoying with this electric crap. Couldn't you have reviewed a new ICE car instead. Charging your car is annoying and takes too long. Filling up with fuel takes 5 minutes and more simpler and faster
Did you even watch this video?
But they are soo fast. I had a ix40. Bought an ix50. Drive a 730d and the ix was quieter and more comfortable and quicker
Lets all go back to brick cellphones and DOS, ain't nothin like the good ol days...