Marina Summers On Homophobia In Philippines! - RuPaul's Drag Race UK vs The World Season 2
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It's not illegal to not be straight in the Philippines but a lot of people think it's unethical. Philippines is predominantly a very traditional Christian country with Islam being the second largest religion so you can only imagine how hard it is for non-straight right?
We should grow out of that. Spain, which introduced us to Catholicism, has had gay rights for a long time now.
It doesn't mean that we're very traditional, we should close our doors to minorities.
So true ❤
That's why I'm not religious. Just look at quiboloy and his dumb cult. If Christian nationalism is a problem in the USA just imagine the Philippines.
In the Philippines if you are not straight you have to excel in school and be funny so that your class will accept you and it's sad , but I don't think generation today thinks like that anymore. (Sorry for my bad grammar.)
Definitely agree with what Hannah said, it’s not just that all around the world there’s still so much to do. No, for the last two/three years it’s like things we already did have, progress that already was made before these different movements (e.g. lgbtq+ and feminism, anti racism) became mainstream 2017 onward, those things are in danger as well. It’s very concerning how we are on one side the most progressive we’ve ever been and on the other side the ignorance, intolerance and straight up hatred is comparable to very dark times, worse and way worse than it has been for two decades.
I want Hannah to win honestly. Shes so pure and a powerhouse
the problem i have with how pinoys treat lgbtq+ people is the fact that people in the community are not treated as people. they are treated as comedic accessories only. they will tolerate you if you benefit them. especially if you're the life of the party. that's it. nothing more really. they will only "like" or "accept" you if you are funny or entertaining. this is why i have such a disconnect when it comes to my own country and fellow countrymen that i don't even bother anymore.
even in the media representation. most if not all gay representation is always in the comedy format or "funny" supporting characters only and sometimes gay people get to be the "tragic" main character which is getting too old tbh.
and don't get me started on the slurs being thrown around even when you're just walking on the street minding your business. you get catcalled and harassed on the daily. some even hate crimed.
I'm so proud of Marina
as someone from the philippines, this was veryyy well said👏👏
First of all saying that Philippines is discriminatory against gays is major BS! This country is one of the most accepting country compared to others! Seriously, gays are you treathened going out in public here dressed with however you want??? And, here they get equal opportunities in careers. Most leaders in BPO which is the top industry here are gays, some politicians here are gays, some are very successful celebrities and youtubers! Gays are thriving in the Philippines so seriously wtf are u talking about? Stop sensationalizing this coz its not an issue in this country, stop being a VICTIM and have some respect to those who really are victims of hate and violence!!!
@@TheSageArchetypeI dont know where you are in the country but where I live in the Visayas, its not so gay friendly. I got physically beat up for being gay many times. And just because you live a privileged life with accepting people around you does not mean others share the same experience. There are ZERO LAWS protecting LGBTQ+ people here in the Philippines, you could be discriminated and harrassed at work or be refused a service from a restaurant or store simply for being gay and you cant report it or file a criminal charge because there are no laws that protect gay/queer discrimination.
@@TheSageArchetype it's not being the victim, if you are a victim
@@TheSageArchetype Mind you there is a huge difference between being tolerated and "accepted". The reality outside of your skewed view about our current state is concerning as the majority of our sisters are victims of hate crimes. You must be someone who lives a privilege life for you to express yourself without getting harassed anywhere. Most of us have to "tone it down" if we want to return home safely. So, good for you. Others can only wish because truth be told, unless you fit our societal definition of gay and queer, you are not, by your own definition, “accepted” or even safe here.
Living in this fantasy that we are being celebrated when in fact becoming good at your craft as a “BPO Leader” or being funny like all the “celebrites/vloggers” you follow is the only way for us to be respected in this country. Go outside your circle mama, you’d be surprised how many of the cases we have right now were incited simply because we wore makeup and a skirt outside.
Sogie bill has yet to be enacted and it has been 20+ years now since that bill was proposed. We are far from thriving. If you believed that LGBTQ+ people in the Philippines is thriving because we have gay politicians, leaders, celebrities, or that you can flaunt yourself at pride events, then you are truly naïve and politically tone deaf. It may not be an issue for your delusional ass, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening and prevalent in this country.
Lastly, imagine dismissing someone’s account while saying “have some respect for those who are victims of violence and hate” in the same breathe. Unless you lived on Biringan City, then definitely not a single Filipino there would discriminate your weird ass. I swear some of yall call center f+gg0ts are the most annoying here next to whey gays.
@@TheSageArchetype Lmao spoken like a true filipino, IN DENIAL AND BLIND.
I may be a straight Filipino male, but I want to say that I have friends in the LGBT+ community.
In the Philippines, from my experience, many are tolerant, but there are few who actively value and appreciate the LGBT+, taking time to understand and love Filipinos.
Also, there is a very real fear about stigma. Long story short, I have friends who are afraid to come out, and my parents refuse to allow my brother and I who are both straight to marry LGBT+ women. (ie: trans, bi, pansexual women).
So, in short, there is some progress, but more can definitely be done.
Thank you for educating and spreading positivity 🫶
Many would rather follow a cult over common sense. But yeah, we are third would country that still prefers to follow blindly cults like KOJC by quiboloy the alleged sex offender.
What is up with the comments saying being gay is perfectly fine here in the Philippines? I dont know where you are in the country but where I live in the Visayas, its not so gay friendly. I got physically beat up for being gay many times. And just because you live a privileged life with accepting people around you does not mean others share the same experience. There are ZERO LAWS protecting LGBTQ+ people here in the Philippines, you could be discriminated and harrassed at work or be refused a service from a restaurant or store simply for being gay and you cant report it or file a criminal charge because there are no laws that protect gay/queer discrimination. Thats the point Marina was making and some of the commenters here have confused being tolerated to actually having rights and being respected.
They keep saying we already have laws that cover us when we're being discriminated... But imagine if your coworker is homophobic, and you reach out to your boss and turns out they're homophobic too. You reach out to cops, they're homophobic too. You can try suing, but with what money, and what laws? We're really unprotected.
Sorry to hear that. Where are you from? I'm in region 8
genuinely curious, how were you physically beat up many times for being gay in Visayas?
@@SebastianNath17 What the F?
@@diamondjemm ?
Aww thats so sad to hear! Hopefully this being on the show will help to spread awareness and acceptance 🩵🩷🤍🩷🩵
Here in the Philippines, it depends on where you are from, and what kind of people you surround with. If you're from Manila and other big cities like Cebu, people will be fine with LGBT matters. But if you live in a small religiously Christian town, then it's not that different living in a small town in American Southern States where evangelicals rule. The main keywords here are "TOLERATED", "INDIFFERENCE". Most Filipinos nowadays won't care already if you're an LGBT person, you do you. Being an LGBT is not the worst thing as Philippines is among the most LGBT countries in Asia, many people from other parts of Asia like Indonesia, Malaysia, West Asia, etc. would love to have the same tolerance Filipinos have for the LGBT people. And there are other countries where they may be "LGBT Laws" imposed but people remain violent against them. While it's not perfect, let's not forget the privilege we have in this country that other countries don't.
HOWEVER, what we need most is to be "PROTECTED" and "ACKNOWLEDGED". That's why we keep on fighting for SOGIE Bill to get passed so that our government finally recognizes and acknowledges our existence and our rights as an LGBT Community, and protect us from abuse and marginalization.
i agree, in other countries specially in the UK and US fellow LGBTQIA+ are just asking for special treatment and privileges, most people love the LGBT community in the Philippines
Seriously this is what I want to see in Ph Drag Race! They focused the editing on the drama too much!
Drama on Drag Race Philippines?
LOL.
Filipino loves the dramatics.
We live for the drama.
Also, yung mga 'drama' sa DRPH, wasn't forced. May pagka-OA lang talaga mga Pinoy, lalo na the gays.
And I love it.🎉🎉
@@michaellacuna Same! I love the Drama! But I’ve noticed especially in Season 2 that there were less important conversation was happening
@@aquarian6004 Yes. Season 1 is Top-Tier.
The only minor problem I have with Season 2 is, they are all very chill.
Verushka really just stirs the pot, that is why some hate and dislike that the Queens had from each other came out very misplaced.
Wala rin 'villain' kaya yung 'drama' that we tend to enjoy did not happen.
I mean, they tried to make KatKat the villain, pero that was really her.
That's the KatKat they knew and love, kaya yung mga misunderstanding, naayos agad.
Deedee tried, but we all knew she did what she did because she wants a story line. 🤣🤣
The S2 cast were kind of chill.
The S1 cast really put the hard in hard work.
I mean, the fights on S1 was really kind of funny, but the girls were really shady.
Would definitely safe to say that Philippines is more tolerant towards the LGBTQ+ community compared to other countries with the exception of Thailand which I would say is at par with the Philippines, TOLERANCE WISE. There are actually several community members that are part of the cast in several daily live tv vareity shows.
Been decades when parades of "beauty queens" called SANTACRUZAN is annually held during the month of May which is sort of the equivalent of the May flower festival celebrations. There are also beauty contests being held in public during the town fiestas besides the singing contests
I am 36 and gay. Born and raised in the Philippines. Moved to the US at age 17 until. I've been gay since 2nd grade. I was not a "LOUD" gay guy back then but can definitely tell that I wasn't straight. Lol. I have lived in different cities and went to 5- 6 different schools. Elementary and High school. During that time if you are gay you are automatically the smart one, one of the top ranking in class.. you don't have to prove anything or something but you kind of do. If it makes sense.. once proven
, the respect is always going to be there and you'll make friends. I mean, strangers will just call your name and say hi..
One of the best moments in my life was my connection to a lot of people from different cities
Good for you. I'm one of those closeted inferior gay dudes that struggling with religious trauma. 😂
Exact term, tolerated not respected. Wishing the best for our lgbt sibs
Id also like to bring to light Pura Luka Vega, a drag artist who was arrested some months ago bc they lipsynced to a remix of a religious hymn
It is irreverent art, its still art
I agree, a part of me respected it as an artist, but there is a worry that since the Philippines is a religious country, there are those who may view it the wrong way.
No comment sila pag straight gumawa pero kung bakla ay daming sat2x
The LGBT community in the Philippines is tolerated but with the general population especially the older generation there's still a big prejudice. That's due to the fact we are primarily a Catholic country, and there's a lot bible thumpers in power in our government.
Its hard to teach all old dogs new tricks. But what impact does these old hags have to u that are not your relatives? They have lived thru a different times, its the same thing you tolerate their ignorance with the advancing age and at the same time they tolerate you
@@TheSageArchetype this is some level of homophobia right here
@rambo5491 well i guess it pointless for me to answer this coz my comments are being deleted anyway so keep yeah keep sensationalizing something that isnt really an issue in the Philippines in the first place. Try living in Arab countries and western country where supremacists are reigning. Goodluck!
I really hope Marina wins ❤
#TeamMarina
for me as a lqbt member here in The Philippines. Most common problem that we have is that most people here think fun of us and don't take us seriously, gay stereotyping is real here. They accept us but they limited our access to voice out our needs. Even in politics, our 1st transgender person politician "Geraldine" receives a lot of backlashes because of Her gender identity and with that being said they think that gays can't handle what Real Men and Women can do and always thought of us a people who can only do good in Comedy bars or Parlor/hair salon etc.
Thats exactly whats happening, the things we have now could easily taken away because some entitled non binary and trans are doing crazy things that even in the community is unacceptable
Well in the Philippines our LGBT's do not demand about "pronoun" when we see gay people dress up as girl we automatically call them sister (ate)or girl. Thats why they are respected here and let them do their own thing.
That’s no true, half of the population is gay… THEY LOVE MISS UNIVERSE💥🇺🇸❤️🇵🇭
Its an exaggeration. The most popular actor right now is vice ganda a gay man who is more like trans now
0:58 did you just say.. MAHAL KITA BETLOG???
betlog means "balls" whoever taught you that Tagalog word??? 🤣😂🤣😂
It's getting worse all across the world unfortunately, due to the spread of normalized transphobia, even from some gay people. It doesn't just affect trans women, it affects everyone that isn't a typical straight man, gay men, drag queens, feminine men who might not even be gay, butch women, etc
The video was about homophobia in the Philippines, so where did you get transphobia from¿¿
@@fourthcasper6161no such thing as transphobia in the philippines. We are actually one of the most tolerant place for LGBT
@@misanthropelife bullshit! There's so much homophobia and transphobia in the Philippines and it's becoming worse. You know nothing.
@misanthropelife a Trans woman tried to use the cr and got harassed by guards. Of course there is.
Isolated case, not the norm.
Imagine when there is an earthquake or vulcanic eruption we are the ones to blame ..
We should grow out of that. Spain, which introduced us to Catholicism, has had gay rights for a long time now.
It doesn't mean that we're very traditional, we should close our doors to minorities.
I'm Filipinx, and I say, "Gay Rights Now!"
There is a difference between acceptance and tolerance!. The Philippines is very much still stuck in the middle ages when it comes to LGBT rights. It is still a highly conservative and religious country.
They tolerate LGBT but they do not accept it. Its one of the toxic thing about the country 🤷♀️
tolerated but not accepted. that's the situation we have here.
It's only a problem if you are not passing.
I dont get the point of hating a gender preference. I mean there were gays before we were all born and gays will still exist even after we all die. Stop hating something that has been existing.
LGBTQ+ people in the Philippines is safe. It is up to that person if he/she wants to be respected. It's their choice. If you want to be disrespected, then it's your call but if you want that respect then you have to earn it whatever your gender is.
I think LGBTQ here in Philippines are treated equally... Specially Gays i love them so much they're fun to be with...
Treated equally? May batas na ba na nagproprotect sa pagsasama ng same sex couples? Gaya ba ng hetero relationship pwedeng maging dependent ang gay partner sa hmo and other benefits ng working class? Fair ba ang treatment sa adoption process ng male female couple vs gay couple ? Now tell me about "treated equally" 😂😂😂😂
talk about United Arab Emerates
I don't know why Marina is saying this. The Philippines generally has always been very supportive of the LBGT community. Drag shows, gay beauty contests have been around since the 80s. A lot of individuals who identify as LGBT+ have very successful careers here.
I think she was referring to the laws to protect LGBTQ+ community. I know there's no law in the Philippines protecting them. Philippines is still very conservative when it comes to being gay.
There's more to being gay than entering pageants and doing showbiz. Corporate workplaces, restaurants, bars, schools, churches, these everyday places are where the real homophobic attacks take place and everyone turns a blind eye. No laws to protect LGBTQ+ people.
GAYS ARE OVERLY REPRESENTED IN THE PHILIPPINES. All the noon time shows have gays. All movies have gay characters. I don't know what he's talking about? There's Drag Race PHILIPPINES and there's Drag Den. Gays are celebrated in the Philippines what more do we want? Gays live free in the Philippines! MABUHAY MGA YOT!!!!!
Yes, there is representation, but representation is the bare minimum in any marginalized group if the group does not get the same rights and protection as every other citizen of a country. Yes, we already have received tolerance and acceptance from the common folk and we should not forget that we have this privilege that most countries don't. But from the national government, particularly the legislative and judicial sector, can you say the same? I don't care at all if the church won't accept it, not everyone is religious, and the church and the state are separate. But for our government not to recognize our rights and our existence as a community in this country?
What we need most is to be "PROTECTED" and our civil and equal rights "ACKNOWLEDGED". That's why we keep on fighting for SOGIE Bill to get passed so that our government finally recognizes and acknowledges our existence and our rights as LGBT people, and protect us from potential abuse and marginalization.
First of all saying that Philippines is discriminatory against gays is major BS! This country is one of the most accepting country compared to others! Seriously, gays are you treathened going out in public here dressed with however you want??? And, here they get equal opportunities in careers. Most leaders in BPO which is the top industry here are gays, some politicians here are gays, some are very successful celebrities and youtubers! Gays are thriving in the Philippines so seriously wtf are u talking about? Stop sensationalizing this coz its not an issue in this country, stop being a VICTIM and have some respect to those who really are victims of hate and violence!!!
I think you misunderstood the entire point. Those people are celebrated because they have power now..but the common member of the lgbtqia aren't so lucky. Gays are still beaten. Trans people are still harassed. People in the community are asked not to enter bars for the clothing they wear if it doesn't align with their birth sex.
If you truly believe our country is understanding, then tell me why they can't wrap their heads around the sogie bill. And why in Pride Marches we still have hoards of people screaming at us to go to hell.
Also, just because we can acknowledge that a community is being targeted doesn't mean it undervalued the struggles of others.
Being gay with money is a different life to being gay and dirt poor.
I was also confused when Marina said that because PH's acceptance of the Lgbtqia community is actually ahead compared to others, if anything, 'drag' is the only thing that's kind of new in the PH since many gay people just mostly choose to do either impersonations, lipsync or stand up performances even when they're not in a 'drag ensemble'.
I guess the Lgbtqia's problem in the PH is only the representation for the qia+ (because PH has already a lot of notable celebrity gays, trans and lesbians) and maybe being taken more seriously and not stereotyped into just 'entertainers', 'comedians' etc.
it's true that there are some extremely conservative people in the PH but they're the minority. Look at how even McDonald's in the PH used celebrity drag queens to endorse chicken. That means the PH market understands and will be even willing to buy products promoted by lgbtqia+ communities
OMFG that's her experience, let her talk about it. I'm assuming you're a ciswoman based on your pfp so you don't have a say on the queer experience. To not be only tolerated but be accepted in the Philippines, you have to be funny, successful, or rich. Emphasis on the funny because if you're not, people treat you like a waste of a person or a subhuman.
meh the lgbtqia+ is more likely "tolerated" than respected here
Tolerated, not respected
Keep that in mind
It's not true.
0:57 did you just say.. MAHAL KITA BETLOG???
betlog means "balls" whoever taught you that Tagalog word??? 🤣😂🤣😂