Mother and widow of late MLB player Tyler Skaggs break their silence l GMA
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Carli Skaggs and Debbie Hetman, the widow and mother of Los Angeles pitcher Tyler Skaggs, tell their story on camera for the first time since Skaggs died after taking fentanyl-laced oxycodone in 2019.
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I do not recall even hearing about this tragedy. My god. How awful. The MLB and American League need to start keeping track of the chemicals in their blood. Players tend to play with a lot of pain, and although meds are prescribed, the levels can be monitored, and should be.
We never truly know more than what we're shown by our loved ones...peace & comfort to ALL those struggling with addiction ❤️
ok i thought 22 years was harsh for just giving a guy pills.. i didnt know he was their and didnt try to help him... and the phone call messeges holy shit..
22 years is not harsh. It's illegal and he contributed to his death. That man was basically a drug dealer. Drug dealers go to prison for a long time, even if no one dies. Why would he be any different?
As a person who had to live with an addict, I can only imagine the pain and shock because regardless of what people think sometimes it comes as a surprise because they can hide their addiction sadly for this family they found out to late, I thankful I didn’t and we could do something about it; we need to stop shaming people that get addicted to these substances and actually start treating them as people who are sick and give them the help they need and deserve, god be with his family and may he Rest In Peace 🙏🏻❤
Wow that phone audio from the communications director was harsh 😮
I played Pro Baseball from 1990 to 1995...1 of those year's i had to take pain pills just to get thru each day...Playing day in and day out took a toll on my body...i was able to get myself off of them...Feel Bad for Tyler and his family
What's your name? I want to check your record out
@@nellisvegas773what a horribly tone-deaf question
My father play pro same years same small city
@nellisvegas773 Awesome...What team...I was with Pirates,Braves,Brewers and Rangers
Source: trust me bro
You are creating a healing path for yourselves and for kids..! Be extremely proud of yourselves..🙏💟❤️😔💙💚
God bless Tyler Skaggs soul and his family with good health and good blessings
Hello, I'm General James Charles McConville from. Quincy, Massachusetts, United States, I'm presently in Ukraine helping with Heavy war machines, weapons, Are you from the states?🇺🇸🇺🇸.
Wow! God bless you and those you are helping!!❤
Such a Tragedy,
May He Rest in Peace! 💔
This can happen to anyone, anytime, anywhere!
May his Name be a Blessing, Tyler Skaggs.
His MoM and Wife are reaching out to help others, children, in his name!
💫💔🌹🕯💫
They are all amazing and beautiful souls!🌹🕯🕊🌹
Hello, I'm General James Charles McConville from. Quincy, Massachusetts, United States, I'm presently in Ukraine helping with Heavy war machines, weapons, Are you from the states?🇺🇸🇺🇸.
No it can’t really happen to anyone, if you don’t get OxyContin pills crush them up and snort them it won’t happen to you
Sad!!! Very sad !! Life is unfair !! Some woman and man get someone good and then it's gone , but the pain last a lifetime . I don't have anyone now, I rather die now then when I have someone. Rest In Peace Tyler , I hope you get to be Together in heaven one day 🙏
So heartbreaking
While in high school a friend of mines boyfriend was on the track team and his coach gave him pills. Although nothing happened to him his girlfriend told him to stop taking what the coach gave him.
Cool story bro
Prayers to this beautiful family❤
That man is absolutely disgusting for the way he has spoke in that jail call and about this family. I can’t believe he didn’t render help. Heartbreaking 💔
How about making Tyler Skaggs accountable?
Completely true
He didn’t know he had a laced pill so accountable for what? Not being psychic?
@@boomds5602 he should’ve been doing drugs, least or not
@@marysaade4343 when you havent been there you will never know, fuck you for saying that.
Clearly, the two closest people to him didn't know of his drug use so how is the organization supposed to know.. Perhaps he was keeping his drug use a secret from everyone except those who were supplying him with the drugs. In any case drug addiction is devastating to family members 💔 touch by this disease.
They knew. At least the wife did. When she said she didn't know you can tell she's clearly lying. I thought at first it was because she didn't want people blaming her but then after hearing they were suing the organization, that immediately made me think less of her, and then really wonder if her husband Tyler really was this "all around amazing person" like she and the mother claim he was.
Edit: A couple words (Damn Google Talk to Text feature).
I've lost 2 relatives like this and NOBODY FORCED THEM TO TAKE DRUGS. Your decision and your responsibility. Nobody's fault but Tyler's
The organization is partially responsible for having an employee that was basically a drug dealer and provided the deadly fentanyl to the players. That guy is not sorry someone died ... he is sorry he got caught dealing and now his life is inconvenienced for a period of time ... oh well its was his choice to give the guy drugs and did nothing as he died because he would get in trouble
It’s absolutely possible no one but the supplier knew…. It’s very easy to lie and hide pain pill addiction especially before it has made the addict turn to street drugs like heroin because the opiates are too hard to get.. my husband hid an addiction to Percocet from me for 5 years… his addiction started because he was also a baseball player- a pitcher. He tore his rotator cuff during a game and needed surgery and was given Oxycontin for the first few days and then Percocet for the next 3 weeks… then after he should have recovered He would go to the Dr every month and get 120 Percocet pills - he told me he was going to the chiropractor every time and from his Sports medicine Dr he told me he was getting extra strength Ibuprofen but not opiates. He would take them out of the Percocet rx bottle and put it in his rx bottle for anti depressants… the only reason I discovered he was addicted is because he asked me to pick up his anti- depressants one day … I went up to the counter and said I was picking up my husband’s rx and she was on the computer and went whatever they look at and then said to me, “ well he just picked up that prescription last week so he would not have a new one today.” I asked her if she was sure and she said “ yes- he picked up 120 Percocet last week” on whatever day she said and I pretended I knew about it and asked when the previous rx had picked up before that and she said a month before- since our health insurance is through his work I never see any of the bills or details about our appointments etc… I didn’t tell him i had found out and just brought home the anti-depressant prescription. I waited until he went to the doctor the next month and went to the pharmacy to pick up his “ extra strength ibuprofen” and then looked for the rx bottle which I found hidden at the bottom of the kitchen trash and then found two anti-depressant prescription bottles one of which was full of the Percocets. I asked him to take me to dinner and then told him i knew. It actually explained many things to me- it seemed like he would have spurts of energy for two weeks and clean, and offered to make dinners, and wanted to go do things and then he would immediately become quiet, tired, grumpy and say he felt sick and like he had the flu… he had also started buying huge bottles of anti- diarrhea pills at Costco and seemed like he bought them all the time. He told me everything at dinner that night- he goes through 120 Percocet in two weeks and then withdrawals hit him and he had read online that loperamide prevented withdrawals… so he would spend two weeks until his next refill taking anti- diarrhea pills. It’s been 5 years and as far as I know he is still sober- still in recovery. He has slipped several times but he’s honest with me about it. He still requires pain pills sometimes but i go to the Dr with him and I have the rx of 5 mg Vicodins with me at all times and he has always shown me the insurance breakdown of prescriptions when ever i ask- I can tell when he’s taken a pill and he doesn’t have the two weeks long withdrawals anymore. I’m so proud of him and I try to trust him…. He hasn’t given me any reason not to. But yes - it’s absolutely possible to not know your spouse is addicted to drugs!!
I lost my best friend to fentanyl overdose after varicose vein surgery, one of the first deaths in our state. She was a middle aged married mother of two beautiful boys. She was a victim of “medical care” just like this special young man. I hope the team employee never sleeps from the haunting of his actions. No one deserves to die from seeking medical care!!
This is so sad to say the least. The worst thing that you can do is not tell your family what you are dealing with, especially your spouse. It was evident that he had a problem. He was dealing with pain, drug's and alcohol and it eventually took his life. Addictions destroys so many families too often. No matter what you are dealing with, get help before something tragic happens. My prayer is that people will turn to JESUS, instead of drugs, or anything else that can hurt your life.
Almost lost my husband this summer. He’d been sober over two years and had a relapse. He was found by a friend and ended up with aspirated pneumonia. He went straight into treatment that day.
When she asked if they knew he took pills, I feel like they’re lying when they said “no”. Carli looked away several times when she asked. I believe they did know but they didn’t think it was that serious. I also don’t understand why they’re blaming everyone except Tyler. I also grew up in southern cali and dealt with depression/anxiety. I was surrounded by drugs and alcohol. So many kids at my high school would offer me pills and marijuana before it was legal. Theyd try to sell it to me. I’d tell them “no” the accountability starts with YOURSELF
Ever heard of emations
Melisa watch it again she looks right at the camera show some respect
Almost lost the love of my life due to a Fent over dose. Thank GOD he’s sitting right here next to me, and I feel so sorry for his wife and mother.
My best friend of over 35 years died 4 years ago due from Fentanyl overdose. She left behind 3 children, one that was getting married in a few weeks. I miss her terribly. RIP Val, I still think of you and miss you, every day. You would have been a grandma if you were still with us.
Then you should understand when an addict is in their addiction nothing else really matters when they need a fix. The Angels trainer extended Tyler’s life by giving him drugs that were regulated rather than having to go out on the streets and guess what was in each dose. Even with regulated drugs Tyler still managed to OD. The trainer isnt responsible
Open borders are letting it in like water.
@Frank Lee you don't even know what happened, you fool
@Frank Lee I don’t buy that. I think you can recover and not go back to it
I will say "the mom"... is NOT exactly the grieving mother...SHE seems a bit off
God bless them all 🙏🙏
I’m sorry but that employee shouldn’t get any jail time. Skaggs was an adult who knew right from wrong.
The illegal drug dealer should get no jail time? Okay
Sorry, but you need to hold your son/husband accountable for his choices as well.
May He R.I.P 🙏🏽🕊
90% of the responsibility is on the drug abuser. Selfish choosing drugs over his family.
Tyler was no Saint either tho. Fentanyl, oxycodone and alcohol. It’s tragic but Tyler should be held accountable as well.
I think he was in a lot of physical pain , but he should've reached out to a reputable doctor who could prescribe safe pills.
I love how they want to point the blame at everyone but Tyler, Tyler wasnt forced to take those pills, trust me he knew the risk
That's right nobody forced those pills on him ,my husband was a cocaine addict he's the only one I blame he's a grown man,
@@yolandaperez7009 you shouldve tried harder, he mightve used due to your neglect, fuck off
This is a sad story, repeated on a daily basis in families across this country. The bottom line is the young man took the drugs, they were not forced down his throat. Let his death be a tragic lesson to all.
1000% true
Agreed!
May Tyler Rest In Peace 🙏🏼 Sending The love and Prayers, God Bless, Amen. 💜
GOD BLESSSSS this family ~ so heartbreaking 💔 ~ deepest condolences. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Why is this guy bashing Tyler though? Almost like he's calling him a POS for dying. Like how dare he die or something....Weird...
It was one sentence of a convo. What was said before and after that on the phone
It's sad he died but the blame lies squarely on the baseball player.
Yep, sad but true ..
Why
sorry but he killed himself. he was a grown man getting these pills for his pleasure and he got a bad batch like sooooo many others. he only has himself to blame. really pathetic by the family to blame others.
He was still a grown man that chose to take the pills. Most of the accountability goes on Tyler.
All the accountability goes on Tyler, did someone put a gun to his head? Nope. People who take drugs/pills obviously have an addiction or underlying mental issue. Only person that should be accountable is the person who took them. Not sure why so many blame the "dealer"? The dealer made no one do a damn thing. I am sorry they his wife and no had no idea he was an addict but again, that's on him
I'm sorry but them blaming everyone else but him for it just baffles me. I am a recovering addict and I always knew what I was putting into my body. I never would trying and deflect blame onto anyone else.
Justin ward and your blaming the one guy who died so who are you to blame Skaggs
Try talking about the plethora of bad choices he made over and over again!
Tyler asked for the drugs and took them🙏
so sad!
The Skaggs family will do anything they can to blame anyone other than the only person who deserves it, Tyler Skaggs. A grown adult asks for what he got and the person who gave it to him had no idea it would kill him. What a joke to put that man in jail for 22 years for doing nothing. The Skaggs family should feel terrible for deflecting blame as their crutch for pain. If his parents were like that growing up it probably was never his fault about anything and parents like that often stink.
He gave pills to other mlb players
I'm so sorry
He drank he did drugs. Nobody made him take the pills or the alcohol.
🙏⛪️🐾🏝️🪷🌺🌊🙏🌿 so very sad. God bless him in Heaven & his beautiful Mom & wife in Heaven & on earth 🙏🏝💖🌊🌺🌿🪷🌺
Feel for his wife, Tyler was keeping a lot of things from her not just the drug use.
This speculation?
You got some tea to spill or something?
Kinda obvious if you are familiar with the trial.
I’m not. So since you didn’t elaborate I’ll assume he had a secret side job as a carnival performer.
Sounds good.
Why isn’t this more mainstream?!?!
I’m a college athlete, a lot of players will do anything to stay on the field, and for that guy to be giving drugs to players I won’t be surprised if he walks or gets his time reduced because the team and organization knew this was going on, you gotta think logically this does not happen over night it’s been going on for years, trust me I see some stuff it’s crazy, being a athlete is not easy, but overall you have to be the bigger person and not take part in what others are doing
Kids don't ever buy drugs for another person . Ever , not even weed ...
Something about both of these women just irks me. Rubs me the wrong way. And my alarm bells are going off. Something seems real fishy. I dont trust them. If i see either of them in real life im running the other way. And also what is with the mom being so quirky, weird and emotionless.
So so sad.
No one forced him to take drugs, he was a drug addicted the family should stop blaming everyone but him.
The way they act like Tyler was some innocent victim in all this is disturbing. He was a drug addict with millions of dollars. He was gonna find someone to supply him no matter what. The trainer on the Angels extended his life by giving him drugs that he knew what were in it rather than having to go to the streets and get it where you never know what you are getting . He isn’t an innocent victim
The wife and mother said they didn’t know?
I’m trying to figure out where y’all getting this million dollar salary from? 🥴
@@justjustjust122 it’s the MLB. It’s all guaranteed money baby.
@@patrick4662 no it’s not lmao. The delusion you have. Everyone knows baseball players are the lowest paid athletes in the game. None of them will ever do numbers like the nfl or the nba.
@@michellekup4274 🤔
He didn’t force Tyler to put those pills down his throat. Let’s blame everyone except Tyler. Oh please his wife knew he was using drugs.🙄
He might have survived had he not been drinking too.
The reason that he was a victim is because he didn't know that he was taking fentanyl. If he would have known that the pill contained fentanyl, it's very possible that he would have turned down the pill, taken less or not have drank together will the pills.
yep; dont want to be cynical but so did his family. Under oath she said Tyler admitted to a percocet problem in 2013, and they were very aware of it. She saying they were shocked it was pills was not honest. They paused & then talked seriously.
I visit baseball stadiums across the country and by chance I visited Angels stadium for what would be the last start in Taylor Skaggs career and life. When I found out he died I just arrived in San Diego.
This is truly sad. This is also a reminder that you should not take medication that isn’t prescribed to you.
Terrible shame and terrible loss.💔🧡🙏
He wasn't a good husband or son. he betrayed his wife behind her back using the deadliest drugs available. Don't feel sorry for him he was a big boy he wasn't some 15-year-old.
Gut wrenching sadness, gone too soon
It's hard to put a price tag on such a devastating loss and the loss of legacy, etc. But What ever happened to personal...responsibility????
If the family did not know why would the organization know?
Literally took a minute to answer after...were you suprised he had pills in his system? Umm they knew he was taking opiods.
I still remember I was on vacation when this story came out and I was just really heartbroken. For his team, his family, close friends, just anyone who knew him as a good person and who just loved baseball. Poor guy really had a bright future as a pitcher. 😢🙏🏻❤️
Some people “overdose” and others have a “drug accident,”
I wonder what the difference is?
You said it best Eddie Frfr I wonder what the difference is … 🤨
Came here looking for this comment. As an ER nurse, “drug accident” is a new one for me.
He went to jail because the junkie was an MLB player but how about the dealers that give drugs to the other junkies? Does this mean drunks sue the liquor stores and the companies that make the liquor? Ahhh no and why should they held accountable? Did they tell people to become drunks? I’m not being insensitive I am being real and the truth hurts. That mom doesn’t looked a bit surprised to me. So he was taking pills for how long and the wife or mom didn’t notice hmm idk mood swings, sickness, withdrawal? I’m sorry he lost his life to addiction just all the millions that died. I am a recovering drunk for almost 5 years now but it is what it is. No one made me drink so I don’t blame any person or company for my own choices.
I was thinking the same 🤔 thing. Though my heart gies out to the people he left behind it was still selfish on his behalf.
The family and friends are always in denial, the family claiming they had no idea their loved one was using prescription drugs and the user claiming they didn't realize they were actually addicted to the drugs...... I was in pain and before I realized it things spiraled out of control.
I don't use drugs. I'm smart enough to not take anything that someone is getting off of the streets. I've seen too many cases like this. You don't know what these people are whipping up.
It's just like any other addiction. You risk your own life, you ruin the lives of the people who care for you and take away their livelihood.
I agree 100%
He took one pain pill as far as we know
You are conveniently overlooking the fact that the Angels front office employee provided a schedule 2 controlled substance for which the penalty is, and should be, harsh. If the penalty isn't harsh, then what is the deterrent for providing these dangerous drugs? That the player could go get them from someone else is true, but that doesn't absolve the person who provided the drugs. Secondly, anytime a user overdoses on an illegal drug, whether that user is a pro athlete or an average joe, the dealer will be held accountable. Alcohol is legal to sell by a liquor store, and the holes in your argument are obvious.
What do they think is going to happen?! You mix pills with alcohol you are certainly not going to have a good result.
A grown man made his choices. They always think it’s not gonna happen to them.
Never mix narcotics and alcohol
@@Mrs.Butterworth Stop making excuses... Oxy is a schedule 2 drug... Regardless of it being lace you need a prescription for it... At the end of the day it's his fault. Everyone wants to place blame everywhere else, except this fully grown man who decided to take pills from a dude who had no authority to dispense that opioid.
@@Mrs.Butterworth Once again... I don't care about any of that. It's the fact you people (not the courts, you viewers) choose to ignore that he's a grown man who chose to take those illegal pills. Eric didn't force it down his throat... Not sure why it's a sad story when he brought it upon himself. Like you're listing all the things wrong with the pills he was taking that he shouldn't have touched to begin with. Then calling me a Karen for pointing out the obvious. LOL !!
@UCtHd-OIfjnUcjyZl4Z_RcnQ And the difference between the examples you gave & Tyler is that those examples didn't involve doing something illegal which Tyler was doing. I can see why people would feel bad in those situations just not for Tyler.
You guys are mad that they are balming the guy who was with him and you think it’s ok to say they should blame the person who knows him better then we do really
How my heart breaks that guy that supplied the pills should get life.These beautiful woman can't get him back .May you carry on his legacy .May he rest in rest in Paradise May God give you and his mother family and friends strength and peace.Im.praying for all of you.
Only take prescriptions with your name on it, or over the counter, sealed meds, that you bought yourself.
Where did Eric get these pills from and why would Fentanyl be in an oxycodone pill?
He never had to take any responsibility and he would have made a good dad even though no one forced him to take those pills. I dont understand how or why we have become a society of never take ownership of our actions and choices.
It
Was only
A pain pill
EXACTLY!!
Hmmm…something doesn’t sound right with the way the wife answered it was the last thing on her mind. And one doesn’t just pick up alcohol out of nowhere to drink and take drugs at the same time. I’m sorry for the family having to go through this, though.
People
Do pick up alcohol all the time
I've never understood addiction I've never liked pills I don't like to take pain pills I was described pain pills a long time ago never took them never wanted to take them I don't understand why people have to keep secrets when you keep secrets like that you're going to get messed up bad
This is so sad and have someone just give players pain medicine not only someone a staff member im sorry that dude Eric needs to stay behind bars
LOL !!... Is Tyler 10 years old or a grown man ?!... Sure Eric may have supplied the drugs, but it was his choice to take it... Why do you people look past the fact Tyler chose to do something illegal ?!
@@sandlotkrew8778 taking a pain pill isn’t illegal you moron
So sad
I know his 2 uncles worked with them back in 2017 good people hard working they knew I was a dodgers fan so they would say dodgers suck Angels better cuz their nephew play for them good memories when I found out I was in disbelief 😢
This is awful. I do have to wonder how they can claim the Angels knew or should have known this or that, when neither of them (wife and Mom) knew he was using pain pills, or even in pain.
Facts
Hold your son accountable.
❤️❤️
Dude was a pill popper drug addict and getting laced drugs is the risk you take when buying street drugs. I’m sorry for your loss but that’s the truth. No one forced him to take the pills he willing did it
What kind of a question is that? “Do you wish he would have done something?” I hate it when reporters ask such ridiculous questions. “No ‘don’t save my husbands life” would have been my reply. Geez.
RIP but it’s not their fault this man was a drug addict. 🤨 I can’t see how this is their fault. Like if that’s the case a lot of families are entitled to law suits. It’s sad that he lost his life.
Maybe he wasn’t addicted. Idk it sounds stupid, but they said he was in “pain” from injuries. I heard about someone having a headache, and their friend gave them a pill for the headache,that was unknowingly laced with fentanyl. Maybe this was just a one time incident where he was trying to relieve some pain, and he trusted that this person’s pill was okay to take?
No one said he was addicted
The only thing that makes this news is that he was an MLB player, but in reality he was was just another pill popper.
they knew he was takin dem pills😂😂😂
That’s all you take from this video ? And the laughing emoji ? How is this funny ur disgusting
Why is this news?
Comment is stupid, if You don't KNOW why it's newsworthy, no-one will be able to explain the reason to You.
Look up how many deaths we've had since 2019 with accidental Fentynal poisoning, b/c Fentynal is deadly and it's being put into Oxycodone pills, and even sprinkled onto Pot. Don't purchase anything from anyone on the street; don't buy stuff, even from trusted friends. Your friends don't know what's in those pills.
Skaggs thought the guy who worked for the Angels, the guy who procured the poisonous pills, the guy who watched him die; and, did nothing, was his friend.
The guy worked for the Angels; and, was also a heartless drug dealer.
He will suffer in prison; and, that will bring some justice.
THIS story may save a life.
What have You done for humanity today?
*Why are you alive?*
👍 your own comments 🤣 😂 😅 .... to watch you peasants
@@Coldfeverx3 Because he isn’t taking fentanyl or oxycodone.
22 years for providing a fiend their fix is unreal. Actual murders have a less time.
He literally watched him die.
I loved him so much. Translation: I loved his paycheck and quality of life that he provided so much!
We miss him. Translation: We are going to miss his future big contracts so much.
Maybe one of his teammates will pursue me eventually so that he can put a ring on it and continue to provide me the same level of security.
But now I can sue the MLB for a lot of money!!
Only God knows the heart of those close to him. You shouldn't judge what you don't know unless you want the same judgement from God one day. Pray for those who were close to him. Blessings
@@boondocks8002 what evidence do you have for "god"??
This comment is miserable. A mom lost her son and a wife lost her new husband. Geez i hope you can find some compassion and empathy in the future
@@laurenmelaniexo The only one who deserves compassion and empathy is Eric Kay who shouldn't be spending one day in jail. The only person who's to blame is Skaggs.
Oh so he was an addict ...call it like you see it
Feel bad for the family but, nah, sorry . . . there has to be some kind a accountability for the guy doing the drug. The person taking the pill, needle, smokin' the rock, is primarily responcible. Can't put that responcibility on someone else, even if they did supply the substance.
A “drug accident.” You mean an OVERDOSE!!! If it was a homeless person it would have been labeled an OVERDOSE.
Give some to ABC.
Omg 2:07 the mothers look. 😨
If 5 other MLB players came forward, then there are probably 150 more.
widow shell be alright the way she says loved means she no longer loves him shes moved on making this story attention seeking and not needed
Not everyone taking medication is an addict. Should we blame the people that died taking Laced Tylenol?
He probably would of overdose one way or another. Esp since he kept it a secret
The Rangers should’ve known, but his family shouldn’t? 🙄
COME ON MAN!
One should assume Everything is laced with synthetic fentanyl these days and act/proceed accordingly.
Why didn’t he go to a medical doctor or team doctor? Pain too great for legal remedies?
He could have been saved? P.o.s. should have been charged with murder.
Stop taking stupid drugs. Period
The audacity to say he’s a piece of shit wtf, the dude had A job that was injury prone if he was an ordinary person he probably would of never developed an addiction but since he had so many injuries and lived in pain it just happened. This is just an unfortunate situation that’s terrible.
Dead because of the combination of fentanyl, oxycodone and alcohol. Didn’t died from fentanyl… he choked on his vomit. He was a grown man with plenty of resources. The resource he chose was illegal drugs. It’s sad that he died is not a victim he was a force on anything.