When I read the books, I took it as they gave her the good score for her boldness and wanted to see her make it far so the games were more popular. However for the second games, it was just to put a target on her back that didn't quite work.
The reason Katniss didn't have a lot to do in the last movie is b/c it wasn't about her. It never was. She was just a kid who got used as a figurehead for a war she didn't understand. So the ending makes perfect sense in that regard.
maybe but its not interesting to watch which is the point of a movie. katniss is the main character. she's the person we're following. having her do nothing in the finale to your story which has been building for 3 movies is so utterly disappointing and absolutely stupid
I don't speak for everyone of course but I personally don't mind that Katniss wasn't "there" for the actual capture of Snow because it felt more genuine. Katniss is a *teenager* being used by adults for optics, not genuinely leading/strategizing the troops. It shows that there's more at play than just Katniss in the world. Katniss's entire journey felt grounded and genuine, amongst a lot of books that had too-perfect-for-words endings, and that made it satisfying enough for me.
Exactly! Katniss was just a pawn in all of this, so she was never meant to actually capture Snow. If she were the one to capture him it would feel like too much. I also don't think the people in charge would trust her with something like that tbh.
@@julieannelovesbooks definitely! By that point she was almost a nuisance to them. She said herself that now that they had all of the districts behind them and were about to storm the capital , they didn’t see a reason to include her in much and didn’t even want to send her to combat and when they did it was with the marketing team. They also had to think of keeping her alive as long as possible for optics. Although I’m surprised they never tried turning her into a martyr themselves tbh I could see coin doing that.
@@genericusername702 I'm sure half of the reason they let her go into the capitol is for the chance that her death could be caught on tape. Her uselessness in mockingjay is brilliant because it's the reality of war. The whole point of the last book is to show the reality of war, people die, and not necessarily for just causes. Everyone is a pawn in the game of power between these two evils .
Also it really shows how she was just being used by Coin, as we see when Snow tells her that it was 13 that bombed the capitol people & primrose, Katniss was just a pawn the whole time. And as a result we, just like her, dont see it all go down because she was never meant to, she was just there by design in the story and by Coin
@@nigerianprincess101 Sooooo true too, I feel like the books did a good job of showing us how katniss was used by each side pretty equally by the end of it and they saw her (and all of their citizens) as more of a means to an end.
She shot at the judges because they were distracted and not giving her a fair shot at displaying her abilities. They ranked her so high as punishment for disobedience to make her seem like a threat and therefore make her a target. Edit: wow thanks for the likes :D
@@angelnafeesa5332 pretty sure they talk about the high rankings as punishment in Catching Fire. When she got the 11 it was because they thought her character would be interesting in the games, the 12s her and Peeta receive in the Quarter Quell was to make her a target.
I didn’t see the T in “this”, so I read it as “HIS bamboo stick” and I say here for a second thinking about when the hell his dick flashed on the screen 😂
And the second book shows the pin belonged to one of the district 12 tributes that Haymitch was allied with in his games. I believe that tribute was the friend’s aunt?
Let me repeat this: Mockingjay 2 has a FANTASTIC ending. The whole point is what war does to you--and so Katniss is irreparably damaged, and doesn't want anything to do with it.The ending is very, very well done, even if it is different from other YA novels. Its making a statement.
@@abigailgray I never disliked it, but it was very bittersweet. I tend to love those kind of endings though, seen as HDM is my favourite series and The Hunger games is a close second.
I haven't stopped thinking about this since I found his channel! I especially want Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper, but I'm not recommending it because I know he doesn't like that
The worse part about the “dogs” is that in the book they were actually supposed to be mutations of all the dead kids so far and instead of a horrible menacing amalgamation of flesh, what we got was big black dogs... Also, Katos death was supposed to be slow and gruesome. Don’t get me started on Finnick Odair’s death.
@@geosustento8894 If i remember correctly, in the book Katniss specifically notices how one of the dogs has Clovers eyes, etc. It was up to our imagination, but it was implied the "Mutants" resembled the kids
yes and also, she missed the first shot because she had never used that bow before, she was used to hand made bows of wood. she needed the first shot to calibrate herself.
I get how, especially in the movies, Peeta getting highjacked sounds silly and weird. But Katniss had a boy who loved her so purely for so long, and all the sudden he's calling her a monster. Not to mention the one thing Peeta never wanted was for the Hunger Games to change him, and it's happened. That's brutal to imagine, and also made the scenes where they're going through the capital more interesting cause the dynamic is so shifted. We expect Peeta to be protecting Katniss at every turn, but now he's a liability literally having to restrain himself to resist killing them.
And Katniss actually contemplated killing him, so that he wouldn't burden the team. That was interesting to add to the debate whether Gale was right about Katniss care more about her survival than romance.
i remember crying and being so upset reading mockingjay because i missed the sweet/soft peeta in the first two books and being sad with the end because he truely never will be exactly how he was or have those memories that were taken away from him :(
yes! their time going through the capitol was much more fleshed out in the books as well so we saw a lot more purpose to peeta’s changed personality in my opinion
That also made the very end feel so profound to me. Katniss and Peeta make it through two hunger games and a revolution together, swept up in a bigger game other people are playing. And by the end of it, yes they survived and can live a life of peace, but they'll never be the same. Always stuck with me.
I do archery as a hobby and I feel like I need to clarify the 50% shot thesis: It is normal to miss if you shoot with a new bow and Katniss isn't used to either the bow nor the arrow and she doesn't even shoot with metal so missing the fist shot is completely normal and I'm assuming the gamemakers know that
A better explanation is that Katniss is used to real 3-dimensional archery, not static target archery. It's a very common problem for real archers, because static target archery requires a completely different skillset and perception of reality. Lars Andersen recently did a video explaining this phenomenon.
Peeta didn’t kill the careers in the first movie as his own small act of rebellion. He even said that he didn’t want to be just some “pawn in their games” (referring to the Capitol). He tried to stay true to himself which makes the events of mockingjay even more heartbreaking in my opinion
Yes!!! I think everything Peeta says in the first and second book/movie leads perfectly to what happens to him. He didn't want to be part of anything, he didn't want to be a monster, and he did became one in some ways. He just wanted to stay true to himself, but they took that away from him
Maria Eduarda exactly!!! Peeta knew he wasn’t a killer, and he knew he had little probability in winning (In the first book/movie) so he set it his goal to not give them what they wanted. “If I’m gonna die, I want to still be me” I may be biased but this sentiment deserve more recognition ...especially since it, in a way, inspired Katniss to pull out those berries at the end of the first book/movie
@@lillyp6905 yes! It's really sad to see what happens to Peeta, but I think it was a great thing to the story, and It seems so thought out to me. Not like "i don't know what to do with this character so i'll make this happen" as Dylan pointed out. Maybe it's because I love THG with all my heart but I think it's amazing lmao
That's the point in the last movie. That her actions made no-difference. That is the thing that makes me depressed and it's supossed to. Katniss can try but it doesn't do anything, even if they do it by all means. All those sacrifices were for nothing and we are meant to feel it
I think the last two could have been directed in a way that better shows the nature of her role. She's not calling the shots, and they placate her with giving her a little of what she wants, so long as it doesn't affect the actual plan. I think the genius of mockingjay (but also why it isn't necessarily a good movie) is that it subverts the whole *chosen one* trope you think the series is going for.
Yeah, I totally agree. I’ve had a few debates about that, but it was always so obvious to me. If Snow had an aircraft, then he would’ve saved himself. He would never hurt the children around him because they were his last defence, something he thought that would keep the revolutionists at bay. Besides, it’s indirectly Gale’s fault and that’s one of the biggest reasons Katniss can’t face him and would never end up with him after. He came up with the bomb idea, even if he didn’t execute it...
if that aint the truth though! throughout the entire time I referred to gale as Katniss's "boy toy" because that's all he is. He HAS NO CHARACTER AND NO DEPTH. AND WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT CROSSBOWS ARE COOL???? THEY ARE NOT.
@@hinasakukimi if i remember correctly, it was just the human's eyes that stood out in each of the dog's faces? - i ended up googling people's photoshop jobs of dogs with "human faces" and a few edits just had human eyes and haircuts with the rest being dog features, and it looked less goofy, more uncanny-valley. however i imagine that'd be much more difficult to do on a movie without having a Cats situation
You can google "Ian Joyner muttations" to see the work one of the artist working on the movie came up with. It would have been pretty great and not at all cartoonish.
In the books, the Mockingjay pin is gifted to Katniss by a girl named Madge. Madge was Katniss' only friend, and they traded strawberries for medicine. Madge was the mayor's daughter, which is why she owned the pin, as the mayor is slightly richer than the others in District 12 (although not by very much.) Madge's aunt/mother (I don't remember) was in the arena with Haymitch, who died in the same way as Rue (Haymitch arrived too late to save her, and she died in his arms, like Rue and Katniss.) In the last book, it is implied that Madge died, or at least never made it to District 13. Katniss was great friends with Madge, and obviously upset at this. Madge's death was one of the things that spurred Katniss into acting as the Mockingjay. :)
@@kati192 waaaay to late to answer this, but it was her mom! She (katniss’ mom) mentions in the second book I think, she died in the same games Haymitch won
I think what the books did really well was subvert the ‘chosen one’ trope. It’s both more realistic and tragic, because Katniss wasn’t an active participant in the rebellion, she just wanted to save her sister, and failed. The very ending of the last book when she and Peeta are just trying to recover from what they’ve been through is very apt considering people who come home from wars are scarred for life. Harry Potter doesn’t do that.
This isn't calling out Dylan but: People: I hate these teen hero tropes, you're telling me one teen girl can change and save the world??? >:( >:( >:( Katniss: *doesn't do that* People: *angry Pikachu face* XD I also love the ending because as sad as it is, it is hopeful even as it shows that they will never fully recover. It is realistic but not extremely grim. Oddly enough, I think people would have preferred an extremely grim ending because that at least gives them drama. But two broken people nursing their little piece of happiness with their children isn't dramatic or epic, so they don't like it.
I agree! and the thing is she wasn't even supposed to be the face of the rebellion, Coin wanted Peeta to be saved instead of Katniss. Katniss was the second choice which really adds more to Collins avoiding the 'chosen one' trope
I agree! and the thing is she wasn't even supposed to be the face of the rebellion, Coin wanted Peeta to be saved instead of Katniss. Katniss was the second choice which really adds more to Collins avoiding the 'chosen one' trope
One of the most heartbreaking things for me is that Finnick, in the books, doesn't go out in a blaze of glory. We see a glimpse of vulnerability when he asks Katniss to save him, but she can't. And it's quick and unceremonious and that HURTS
I just loved the amount of angst and emotions the book gave me when reading. I remember reading the books after I saw the first movie and I was so happy because I loved reading the second one and figuring out the arena was a clock. Emotionally the book is written sooooo good, there are so many writers who try to make stuff emotional or more anxious but kind of fail to
@@magic8ball331 oh I definitely see that too. It was one of the worst for me by far and Finnick deserved much better than that kind of death. I just feel like it had to be and extra layer of terrible for Annie and honestly maybe the mutts were always designed to kill Finnick in that way
I disagree about the third movie being bad because of Katniss’ “uselessness”, i think that is precisely why it’s great. Hear me out... The entire franchise portrays a more realistic scenario for a revolution; whilst most dystopian movies (the matrix, divergeant, the maze runner...) focus on one character being “the chosen one” and saving humanity, whose role (amidst there own revolutions and turmoils) can be quite simply be resumed to staying alive long enough to be saved by the protagonist, the Hunger Games does quite the opposite. It portrays a protagonist whose motives are ultimately selfish in the sense where Katniss is just trying to protect her friends and family, not start or be the symbol of a revolution to save their world from a corrupt institution. Thus, Mockingjay part 2 and its lengthy and, as we come to find out, pointless voyage through the capitol where multiple major characters are killed portrays this point. Katniss, despite her sacrifices and sufferings by being assigned this symbolic position for uprising has no actual role in the revolution itself. The rest of the rebels carry the revolution and themselves into a new dawn. Therefore I see the last movie as humbling and having more realism than most dystopian tales, revolutions are very hard to portray however Suzanne Colins offers a heart-wrenching and painfully real approach. Go check out Just Write’s video called “THG: Revolutions are hard to write” for a more in depth analysis
Yeah, I think that's the whole point, this is not a story about a big hero, the chosen one that saves everything, like Harry Potter. She was just a symbol and a pawn, and is left devastated in the end. I just love how it shows a more realistic approach to revolutions and war than just "hero comes and saves the day".
Also after that movie came out people were singing the song, doing the sign at real life protests!!!! Even it got banned at some countries bc it was firing up uprisings it was AWESOME
The best proof that hunger games truly was THAT franchise are the comments under this video. Everyone is explaining stuff and talking about deeper plotlines and just saying everything I was thinking although I have read the books YEARS ago. I was truly obsessed and I remember weeping while reading the last book. Hunger games had such an impact at the time. The story had an interesting plot, some great characters, a love triangle (which worked for getting the attention of many teenagers) but was also about the brutality of war. I guess the franchise was popular because it combined some basic catchy elements but also deeper themes as well
No,no it wasnt THAT FRANCHISE.Must people already forgot about the movies,sure it still has fans but nowhere near:Jurassic Park,Star Wars,Marvel,LOTR,Harry Potter etc,those are THAT FRANCHISE.Hunger Games is not
@@jordancreed3003 I still see Hunger Games mentions everywhere and many people have heard about it. It may not be as popular as things like Star Wars and Marvel but that is partly because they're still coming out with shows within those franchises. I think it could very much be considered 'THAT FRANCHISE' still. You know?
I agree with everything…except the love triangle. Because it wasn’t a triangle, it was a corner; A and B are in love with C and C is forced to choose. A true love triangle would be if A was in love with B who’s in love with C who’s in love with A.
One thing that I'll always find fault in the first movie, is that they butchered the bread scene(one of the most important in Peeta's and Katniss relationship). At that point in her life, Katniss had lost her father in the mines and her mother had given up on everything. When she stood outside of Peeta's bakery in the rain after trying and failing to find food in the trash cans, she was on the verge of giving up. Death was a release from her feeling pain, cold and sadness, and she would welcome it. When Peeta threw the purposefully burned breads at her, it was the first sign of kindness she had received in a very long time(outside of her sister of course). It gave her the strenght and courage to go on. Peeta basically saved her life long before they went to the Hunger Games . That's why she was so conflicted when he was chosen as a tribute, and that's why the fact that later on he doesn't acknowledge how important what he did for her was, under the effects of the tracker jacker venom, she's incredibly hurt.
Killing Finnick off was the worst decision they ever made. I’d rather anyone die over my man, you mad?. His death really didn’t impact the plot much. If Gale died I wouldn’t have given a fuck. They should’ve to be honest, never liked him anyways. He basically killed Prim..but that’s a controversial topic.... anywho I want to make finnick my husband. And the fact they killed the character off with a child (not to mention Annie who’s been through enough as it is.) is absolutely disgraceful to be completely honest. I will never get over this. Ever.
100% agree. apparently suzanne collins also said that if she were to write the books now, she wouldn't have killed him off, and that she hates that she made that decision in the first place--so at least we're not alone.
I actually like that in the last movie she isn't the key factor for their win cause it makes it more realistic in my opinion. In real wars people fight for something and struggle, just for it to be useless in the end, it makes it more tragic in a way.
Exactly my thoughts. The only thing she did that changed the story was her shot at coin. And that is more realistic and creative than the usual fighting bad guys, snapping their necks, saving the day and getting praised by the new president.
I totally loved that too! Katniss just being a kinda "secondary character" while everything is happening arround her was perfect, bc she never asked for it she just wanted to keep her family safe
cato didn’t push them off because he felt that he was too honorable for that. he wanted to win by brute force in a way that made him feel strong and powerful, not in a way that he considered “weak”
I always thought in the book, all three ran away from the mutts together, Cato wasn't waiting at the top, he was still trying to catch his breath when they were finally on the roof (Cato ran a longer distance and he fought some mutts to get away so he was in worse condition than Katniss at the moment).
@@loveislove2359 you're right, it's pretty much what happened in the book !! and katniss didn't kill cato while he was trying to catch his breath 'cause she was more concerned about the mutts. right before she went to finally kill him, he took peeta from her and the rest is history. pretty sure there wasn't anything about him not wanting to look weak :)
That's what I thought!! He's way too full of pride, he wanted to brutally take them out. He trained for this for years and he's gonna let some dogs take his final kills?? No way
the thing about the ending that’s great is that katniss wasn’t there when they “won”. that’s the whole point is that it takes the whole rebellion and i feel like it actually contrasted so many y/a novels where the protagonist singlehandedly wins and shows that it takes so much more than a single “chosen one”
i 10000% agree especially because she was so young, she was 16 in the first book and catching fire was around 9 months after. so through out the entire war shes a literal teenager and i think her singlehandedly ending the war would’ve cheapened the story.
I was just about to point that out. He even states in his last words that he always thought he was supposed to "bring pride to my district". Also Clove, who was from the same district, could've just taken Katniss out when she had the chance but she didn't. She promised Cato that she'd give them a show and take her time with killing Katniss when the smart thing would've been to just kill her. It really shows how pride and arrogance was conditioned into them by their district.
Also because Cato seemed to have given up. He realized why every district hated the games, and he also seemed to question why should he amuse the Capitol or Snow by killing Peeta and letting Katniss be the only winner
So the thing about Snow not a well developed villan is that he isn't actually the villain, it's the whole social and political system of Panem, which yes, is enforced by Snow, but the oppression the districts live in is not solely caused by him, it's about the people from the capitol and the first districts who live off the other districts, who are constantly exploited, mistreated, etc.
Still,Snow is the head of Panem,you cant expect to show ALL PANEM,thats why there needs to be a central figure that incapsules every bad thing about it,that was Snow and they did a really bad job with it.Many books/movies do the same thing HG did but took time to develop their main villain and by devoloping their main villain they developed the bad faction.HG failed in that regard
The whole idea that Katniss wasn't even responsible for anything in the end, was a great change to the usual YA stories. She wasn't "the chosen one" she was just advertised to be. I thought it was great!
@@renoirrr haha, yeah that was horrible. I don’t understand how no one thought to cut and paste a bit better. But hey, at least they got enough budget for the second movie so something like that would never have to happen again.
Heres the thing though, the reason it feels so pointless and that Katniss had no actual play in what happened, Is because that’s true and that’s the whole point. Her whole point was to be a figure of revolution, but she really had no power over anything the whole time. Everything was planned out for her. When she travelled through the booby trapped city, they were filming her going through everything as propaganda, hoping to show that katniss was the reason snow was finally defeated, not that coin had everything planned from the start. That wouldn’t be very revolutionary or heart throbbing. Katniss was used the entire time in all of the books, and she never wanted any of it, hence why she left everything to live with her family at the very end. Also the whole pin thing, in the book it was given to her by a friend so it had a lot more meaning, but the movie ruined that which I think was a seriously bad play seeing how important the mockingjay is lol.
No, they didn't want to show Katniss was the reason Snow was defeated, it's actually what Coin feared the most. She wants to catch Katniss death on camera so she became a martyr and also get rid of a threat.
I actually think it makes so much sence that katniss doesn't end the war. Because it shows that the entire chosen one trope isn't realistic. A war isn't won by one person. She is just the spark that starts the revolution, but a revolution is only won by a lot of people working together. Also katniss never wanted to be the mocking Jay and her not winning proves the point that she is just an object no matter who she is used by. It justifies parts of why she killed coin instead of Snow in the end.
she's also really not that special. she has to undergo training in district 13, and she's only the face of the revolution because she was brave and they accidentally gave her a huge ass platform. both sides view her as a prop: snow threatening her and gale's families to so she and peeta would act like they were in love, 13 making her film propaganda and not letting her on missions. the war being won by the rebels and not the one person is better in a book with a message than movies who mimic those books in order to profit. katniss sees the rebels arrive and primrose die, and then she blacks out and when she wakes up, the war is over. not as cinematically artful or satisfying, but for the books it's focusing on prim's death because it's katniss's perspective and that's what mattered the most to her
Also, they gave her a high ranking to serve a purpose. She shot the apple as an act of rebellion. So, giving her a high rank was a punishment because it puts a target on her back the second she gets into the arena.
2 years late but here goes: Katniss was given that high of a score because of the skill and attitude it took to shoot the apple among the game maker and his cronies. She revealed she was willing to play outside their rules/ be a problem and by giving her that high of a score they made sure the other tributes would target her right away. Katniss told Peeta to throw the weight to show the others his strength. He could toss a person around if he could toss that thing. There were too many people sleeping under that tree for Peeta to kill without waking someone up I think. He had a better shot at making sure she was ok up in the tree until he had a better plan. And I’m pretty sure Cato said something along the lines of killing him once they got her. Peeta’s highjacking was a very important part of Mockingjay. “It is the things we love most that have the power to destroy us” or however Snow said it. When she lost Peeta’s love, she lost part of the foundation she’d grown accustomed to leaning on. It was a perfect weapon for Snow to use. I think the her killing Coin instead of Snow was a great end. She knew Snow would get his death. But it wasn’t Snow who had been using her. She saw the trajectory Coin might be on. Killing her was the lesser of 2 evils. Besides, she was the one who gave the order for the bombs to be dropped. Are you gonna pass up getting revenge for the death of your sister? (and I think no one second guessed that the bombs were dropped by the Capitol because of the ships used and what they heard from Finnick about Snow, etc)
In the books the way she gets the pin makes more sense. The mayor’s daughter gives it to her, which is more logical because the mayor’s daughter doesn’t need the money. But I’m sure the movie didn’t want to waste time introducing a new character
ive seen this comment so many times now...and yes, that is true. the point is that the movie should've made that clear for those who DIDNT read the books. a good movie should be able to stand on its own without viewers needing to go read the book to understand.
One line of Snow that never left my head and still occasionally pops up there, is that a little hope is effective, a lot of hope is/can be dangerous. If not one of the most dangerous emotions. It can either be easily abused or used for something great/beautiful. That's kinda scary. Like walking on thin ice. It could crush.
That makes me think of how Katniss and Peeta having children at the end of the book really brings Snow’s quote full circle. Katniss didn’t want to bring children into that type of world, but finally had enough hope to have them in the end, even though she is very much aware that there are “worse games to play.”
Yeah. It seems everyone went into it expecting an action packed movie on the same level of Deathly Hallows Part 2. To be fair, Part 2 had a lot of action but no, it’s a political thriller. That’s what the entire series is.
@@haadiyasandhu6615 read the books if you can. Even though the movie are genuinely great, the books are so much better. They flesh out relationships and characters other than Katniss so much more compelling. Especially as a Peeta fan, I can't say it enough
@@haadiyasandhu6615 I only read the first book and like them too. (I didn't read the others because I really don't like to read present 1. Perspective. I feels like sitting in the front row of a movie theater.)
"Build a franchise" It's funny because the series was just gonna end as one book. Catching Fire never meant to happen, Suzanne only wrote because she realized Katniss would for sure get consequences for what she did in the end of the first book. That's an aspect I've always loved.
I always thought she planned for more. The fact that she referenced Johanna Mason who appears in the second, the fact it happens to be the 74th games right before the 75th that conveniently happens to be the year before either a 25 year or 10 year gap. And that the capitol were pissed at her for her stunt so it leaves a huge opening for a second. I think if it was gonna be a stand alone book she would have either killed both of them or have Katniss kill Peeta
@@davidfairweather3301Those sound like things that can be changed fairly easy during the editing process, so it very well could be that she was several drafts into the first book and only then thought of the idea of a sequel, before layering in build up to that sequel on a redraft/edit.
I think what you missed with the end of Mockingjay was when Katniss saw her sister die... that was the end of the war for her... she lost what she was fighting for. I don’t think the satisfaction of Killing President Snow would’ve been enough for her, which it wasn’t and that’s why she killed Coin to kill the monster that killed her sister. Also the tracker jacker thing was played up waaaay more in the books. The warfare they used was almost always part psychological as well, which was something that was hard to display in the movies. Ok done lol
And by killing coin she stopped what she know would be another snow. Snow was going to die anyway no matter what but nobody but katniss was going to or probably wanted to kill coin.
@@ginasmith8569 I forget his name but the guy that helped her navigate the Capitol also stated that Coin wanted to get rid of Katniss once she lived out her usefulness
Just Write has a nice video about the unexpected ending. His point is, basically, maybe it's a good thing that the revolution didn't depend on a "chosen one". We can't help thinking Katniss is a chosen one, but she really isn't.
I wanted so bad for him to have some more character too! Honestly I think Gale was better for Katness than Peta...but whatever. *shrug* I'm not shipping.
Jen was so phenomenal as Katniss, she literally became Katniss and you know that one part in Mockingjay, where everyone tells when was the time that Katniss left a mark on them, and Effie said when she volunteered for her sister... I felt that too. Even watching a snippet of the scene here, when she screams, "I volunteer as Tribute!", I got goosebumps all over my body. The way she delivered the line, the panic, the fear, all of it, depicted so perfectly. No one could have done a better job, according to me. ❤️
The one thing I loathed about the movie is how they eliminate Madge and her entire existence. The story behind that pin, completely overshadowed in an attempt to cut one character. When 12 was bombed, Katniss lost a friend and her mother lost the last connection she had to her deceased best friend. Haymitch lost the connection to the one ally he had by his side, whom he failed to save, in the games. The Mayor and his kindness, Madge and her bravery- all were inconsequential and non-existent.
She was a pawn to the war leaders, President Snow, Hunger Games itself , and the Capitol she was literally a pawn to everyone that is why I commend her because so many ppl used her for their “Revolution” even though she didn’t want to be apart of it she just wanted to save her family specifically Prim not be the chosen hero
Fun facts: In the book Peeta was actually awake all night to make sure Katniss didn’t get killed. Thresh was killed by Cato. It took hours before Cato actually died because he had protective armor and Katniss finally decided to shoot him.
Yeah after i think more abt it if peeta killed even ONE of them in their sleep, their pack consisted of 4 ppl, and they are very alert and high in adrenaline. If one of them screamed the rest would just lunge at peeta esp if he killed cato ( the biggest threat ) clove his best friend would one shot him hh
@@queenelizabee7246 yeah it was pretty brutal I remember it being pretty graphic because he was just slowly being torn apart and getting eaten alive but Katniss felt bad so she finally shot him
@@victoriahopkins4836 reminds me of the time I got forced into watching cabin fever. I’ve literally had nightmares about that for months. So I’m glad that wasn’t a directorial choice to add that in.
22:10 U kinda forgot that President Coin is the true villain and we spend lots of time with her in the third book. Also President Snow’s ‘villainy’ doesn’t really need more exploration in the context of Katniss story, she sees enough of who he is through his leadership style and what he is doing the people of panem and to peeta in the final book.
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED MORE THRESH. he was honestly such an interesting character even with so little screen time and his death was the worst bcuz i wanted more from him.
Thresh is great, he never played into their games and kept to himself and didn’t answer the questions during the interviews. Everyone was quite intimidated by him and avoided the area where he was using as a base, katniss had huge respect for him and was more heartbroken by his death in the books
Can I just say that all the comments you guys wrote were spot tf on, and just sum things up so beautifully and eloquently! Like....you're all saying the things I could never put into words, and I'm so glad that we all have similar viewpoints on how things turned out in the end. It wasn't supposed to be the kind of story where the main character gets her perfect revenge and that everything she was fighting for turned out well. There are plenty of stories with that plotline. What Hunger Games does is not sprinkle it with bullshit & sparkles. Children are forced to kill one another. Her younger sister, the person she even started fighting for in the first place, is killed right in front of her, RIGHT WHEN SHE'S ABOUT TO GO INSIDE TO KILL HER OPPRESSOR. Even people who were her own allies ended up doing AWFUL, HORRIBLE things, because like you all perfectly stated, that is what war is! Propaganda and horrible shit happening on both sides. The ending is just that...the end of this story. There is no "everyone and everything lived happily ever after." Life just continues and you learn to live with it.
Alrighty Dylan, let's crack this open cause you've got a lot of great suggestions that actually did happen in the books. Yeah, the pin was supposed to be given to her by her friend Madge. It was her aunt Maysilee's from when she fought and died in the last Quarter Quell with Haymitch, and he defied the Capitol and was punished for it. It was supposed to be a symbol of how the mockingjay was an animal that the Capitol used, then left for dead, but survived and returned unexpectedly, and the rebels identified with that. Peeta in the books is bigger and stockier, and is shown to be quite strong as a baseline, so the careers keep him around for that as well as Katniss. But he also knows that he can't take all of them at once, so if he kills one in their sleep and the others wake up, he's done for. There were some interesting relationships between the tributes! Katniss spends a lot of time evaluating and respecting Foxface's strategy. There's implications that Cato and Clove had a closer relationship than you'd expect for careers that knew there could only be one victor. In the books, Clove calls out for Cato when attacked by Thresh, and after he kills her, Thresh takes D1's package to draw Cato out for revenge. Thresh is killed by Cato off screen, but the fight does happen, and I'm still sad we never got to see it in the movie 😢 C'mon Dylan, we know you like themes. Peeta's whole thing from the beginning was that he didn't want to lose who he was. Thematically, hijacking his memories fits his character motivations, and the theme that war takes *everything*. It's even set up in the first book when Katniss gets stung by tracker jackers, hallucinates terrifying things, and almost can't tell what's real after she wakes up. The Hunger Games isn't the first book to do YA revolution, but it's one of few that show the reality of war and revolution - that one person, despite having the incredible power to inspire, is not enough for radical change. Suzanne's books were never about glorifying violence and war, but to discuss the brutality, cost, and at times boring reality of it. That's a theme she kept until the end. From beginning to end, Katniss is just a girl from D12 that happened to inspire a revolution, the seeds of which Katniss only sees in book 2 despite having started in book 1. Her motivation isn't to defeat Snow because he's her enemy, but to protect her family and just survive, and she knows she can't do that so long as he lives. She's not a soldier despite being able to fight, she doesn't have plot armour, she's not charismatic or good at everything, she doesn't always care about the greater good, she's a child of only 16-18 fighting a war against figures so far outside the scope of her experience. I really do think that's why the series continues to be popular, because the series takes the YA idea of "I'm just one normal girl" and stays true to it despite everything. For Suzanne, Katniss' victory isn't being able to kill Snow. Her real victory is that despite all of the horror, Katniss is still able to hope.
Suzanne Collins is a brilliant writer and even though I LOVE the movies the books reminded me of “all quiet on the western front” in how it describes the hopelessness and horrors of war. I think Suzanne’s dad or mom (or husband or someone in her life lol) was military and she traveled a lot and saw a lot of the atrocities of war first hand.
Well said! Honestly perfectly said. Especially that last paragraph. The series BROKE me when I read it. I felt so down and that last book really made me feel like I was suffocating the entire time, and the book's ending? Heart-wrenching. There were no winners in the book and the movie I like better because it didn't have that same feeling of helplessness (I know I know, it takes away from the concept of the books but I don't think I could have made it out of the theater otherwise). I read the series one time, and its so dark--that even though it's well written and really good--I haven't been able to bring myself to re-read it.
Here's the thing, the hunger games series is a story about a revolution. People think the third one strayed from the first two by being solely about the revolution but the revolution was always there. And while I do acknowledge that the end scene of the last movies where the bombs go off and Katniss goes unconscious is disappointing, I think it's really realistic. It breaks this whole "the chosen one" trope that happens in movies where a revolution is carried by one person and not the collective. Hunger games did the tough job of writing a realistic revolution, where yes Katniss serves as symbol and inspiration to the revolution but the real deciding factor in winning or losing lays in the people, the collective, and not one glorified hero chosen one.
rewatching and i have to say i kinda like the fact that it wasn't katniss who captured snow because it's unexpected for a book/movie like this but it's also realistic. i mean she is 17 and despite winning the hunger games she still isn't experienced enough to take down snow and his entire army when she doesn't know how to lead an army of her own. plus the idea that she worked hard to achieve something but fell just a little short of it combined with the analogy of her catching fire kind of makes it more realistic and relatable i guess?
So the part where Dylan discusses the rankings and Katniss’ ranking not making sense? Its explained a bit better in the books.... The purpose of giving Katniss a high score was to set her up as a threat to the “Careers” so that they hunt her down and kill her.... Which they do attempt to do this at the beginning of the games 😊
It was to spice up the games as if she's popular she's both a threat to the careers and likely to get sponsors to give her things increasing the odds of her causing drama in the games. The books mention ratings were low due to the game where most the contestants froze to death
Dylan : "im not trying to condition your brain by showing you pictures of handsome men and then also sliding in there pictures of me so your brain asosites me with handsome men noooooo im not doing that at alll " me : well i mean.... it worked quite well ngl
They deliberately put a scene in that talked about her ranking. They made it 11 because it would’ve put a target on her back, making the games more interesting
Am I the only one who is an enormous fan of all four movies and all three books? I'm an author, I am a harsh critic of stories in my genre of ya scifi fantasy, and I can honestly tell you that these stories, that are so deranged and yet so applicable to real life, are some of the best I have ever had the pleasure of being a part of the hype for.
@@betsinatchambers2532 the Pin was given to Katniss by Madge, the mayor's daughter in the justice building. In the following books, there's a few chapters showing that the two went from being on good terms to really good friends. Too bad that they cut her from the film, given that Katniss never had many friends I'd love to see their dynamic on screen.
6:38 in the books it says that they gave her a high score to put a target on her back because of her behavior. That way players in the arena would go after her first to eliminate competition
I don’t agree with Dylan on President Snow. In the books, he is always such a menacing presence. He doesn’t need to be present for me to understand he is the villain. He is the one calling all the shots, making these kids kill each other every year. And maybe it was because we were seeing things through Katniss’ eyes, but he was scary as all hell. Also, of course Katniss isn’t really important in the end, that’s THE WHOLE POINT. A revolution isn’t about one person. They are using her as a pawn. Literally the whole freaking point how the hell did Dylan miss this? Especially since he said he read the books. But I do agree about Gale. Not only in the movies, but also in the books, Peeta is such an interesting character, I don’t understand why people love Gale so much.
Yeah , then Snow always made it a point to remain “ present” psychologically , always leaving white roses for Katniss to make her feel like she was always being watched and monitored by him, even when it wasn’t physically possible .
Gale is so underdeveloped as a character for me. He literally feels like Generic Hot Angry Rebel Guy Template #387. I've seen it in YA literature so much and the problem is that this character has evolved from someone with hopes, dreams, and a coherent storyline into a collection of tropes that are supposed to stand-in place for actual character development.
taesthetic Yeah, you’re probably right. It’s only the main theme of the whole series. Easily forgettable. Sometimes he plays the ignorant to make some “good” points, and while I usually like him and I even subscribed, I don’t like criticism just for the sake of it.
The second movie is probably towards the top of my list of favorite movies, both cinematically and story-wise. It was so beautifully-shot and the plot was hella intriguing, with some very well-done dark scenes. I read the book before watching the movie, and the movie was so well done, that I literally imagined an entire scene in my head from the book (the watch scene while katniss was dancing). I thought it existed cuz it so vividly tied into the movie’s portrayal of the book, and I was disappointed to find it wasnt an actual thing
Fun fact: Stephenie Meyer recommended The Hunger Games to her readers on her blog before it had started to catch on. I really believe she helped it become as popular as it is.
also the way when anyone mentions the hunger games, people immediately go "tEaM pEeTa or tEaM gALe" will always make me mad because that was not the point of it at all, but that is what a WHOLE revolution was reduced to in the end
That’s exactly what the author made a point out of too. People focus on the romantic star crossed lovers end rather than the important concepts of what’s going on, just like the capital. She’s just BRILLIANT tbh.
In a series that condemns the behaviour of the citizens in the Capitol, the series just so happened to attract audience members who see the movie just like they saw the Games.
The pin is given to her by her friend in the books, but the woman even giving it away to her would have made more sense in the books. It’s well established that Katniss’s father was very well respected in their district, and a lot of people pitied them and gave what little help they could when he died.
My favorite thing about the hunger games is that Katniss isn't a "chosen one." There are so many movies and series out there that surround around a person who is 'destined' to do something or vanquish someone or another. It was honestly refreshing to have a series about a girl who is just trying to stay alive and keep her family safe.
Back when I first saw the movies the whole way they handled the pin irritated me and made it exactly opposite of what it was supposed to be. Now of course since it's been a million years I can't remember the book pin vs the movie pin. But I remember being irritated. :D
A few things: I totally agree that Finnick is a great character and he was done so dirty in the final book and movie. I'm still bitter almost a decade after I first read it. He deserved better! I'd love to read a solo story from his games! The third book is super underrated because everyone says "ThE bOOks ARe OnLY GooD cAUsE oF thE GaMEs" but the books are about a revolution and it accurately portrays what Katniss' role would’ve been. I also loved the evaluation of PTSD and just trying to survive. Also, people who make this about team Peeta/Gale kinda miss the point of the franchise. Don't get me wrong, when I first read this in 7th grade, I was super invested in Katniss and Peeta's relationship, but rereading it as an adult made me realize how completely besides the point it is. Its almost like Collins was showing the audience that we can have Capitol mentality, focusing on the star crossed lovers over the horrific experiences of these kids. Well played, Suzanne. I am also bitter that they didn't show the training storyline of Katniss and Johanna in the third book cause I liked their dynamic and how similar they were. And lastly, yes, the second book and movie was the best. Period. 😂
That point about Suzanne sending the message that we are content consumers just like in the capitol was eye opening! Also yeah I watched the movies for the first time this week (solely because of Dylan’s video) and I’m halfway through mockingjay 2 - still pissed they missed Joanna and Katniss’s training. I feel like it fleshed out Joanna’s character to more than just a snarky, psychotic young woman. I think it’s important because when Madge died she kind of took her place as a girl - friend in Katniss’s life (at least what I thought)
The point is that rebellion and revolution don't depend on a single person, even if they're a powerful symbol, they depend on the collective. She didn't start the rebellion, she was a means to and end... just like everyone else. Katniss is our hero because she survives war, not because she wins it.
Besides, the revolution already started a long time ago in the books. The mocking jay was already used as a symbol of the resistance was before she even volunteered herself as tribute. You can read a glimpse of it in the first book, when they explain why some people at the capitol were servants whose tongues were cut off. I don't remember their names.
Katniss is my hero for several reasons, one of them is that she inspires the people to recognize that one can disobey the tyranny, and one can show compassion in the face of cruelty and one can show solidarity in a time of (enforced) division. This inspires the people to follow her example and thereby start the revolution.
everyone’s saying how they have katniss a perfect score to put a target on her back but that’s only the 2nd book. it’s cuz she rebelled after winning the first hunger games and they weren’t happy abt it. i always viewed the reason why the first perfect score was given to katniss was bc she did something different. it showed she was special and different
Katniss was a character that didn’t want to be a hero but was made into one by circumstance. Throughout the books she is used by various people (without her knowledge) to create this revolution against the current government. She is portrayed as “the chosen one”/ poster girl for the revolution but didn’t know anything that was happening until the end so it made sense why she blackedout in the middle of the revolution and wokeup when the war ended because district 13 was going to continue with their plan whether she was conscious or not.
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the judges gave Katniss a near perfect score because she was disrespectful and they wanted the other contestants to target her
yesss
mind = blown
Didn't she also shoot right through the protective shield? Or was that in part 2? You know, the part that flimmers
When I read the books, I took it as they gave her the good score for her boldness and wanted to see her make it far so the games were more popular. However for the second games, it was just to put a target on her back that didn't quite work.
@@BFFforu That's part 2. They put the shield to prevent Katniss from shooting them again
The thing that Katniss wanted the most was to save her sister, the thing Peeta wanted the most was not to change who he was. The war took both things.
FFFFF why did I just realized this
Aww 😔
Holy shit, that’s deep...
YOU AINT LIE
Your mind is powerful sir
The reason Katniss didn't have a lot to do in the last movie is b/c it wasn't about her. It never was. She was just a kid who got used as a figurehead for a war she didn't understand. So the ending makes perfect sense in that regard.
maybe but its not interesting to watch which is the point of a movie. katniss is the main character. she's the person we're following. having her do nothing in the finale to your story which has been building for 3 movies is so utterly disappointing and absolutely stupid
@@priyankkabhandarri2873 Just watch Salman Khan movies then, where bhai does everything even when it defies logic
@@rev6215 lmaoo
@@priyankkabhandarri2873 but it's bokks
@@marianalemosalmeida5802 *was books
This video is mainly about the movie adaptations
I don't speak for everyone of course but I personally don't mind that Katniss wasn't "there" for the actual capture of Snow because it felt more genuine. Katniss is a *teenager* being used by adults for optics, not genuinely leading/strategizing the troops. It shows that there's more at play than just Katniss in the world. Katniss's entire journey felt grounded and genuine, amongst a lot of books that had too-perfect-for-words endings, and that made it satisfying enough for me.
Exactly! Katniss was just a pawn in all of this, so she was never meant to actually capture Snow. If she were the one to capture him it would feel like too much. I also don't think the people in charge would trust her with something like that tbh.
@@julieannelovesbooks definitely! By that point she was almost a nuisance to them. She said herself that now that they had all of the districts behind them and were about to storm the capital , they didn’t see a reason to include her in much and didn’t even want to send her to combat and when they did it was with the marketing team. They also had to think of keeping her alive as long as possible for optics. Although I’m surprised they never tried turning her into a martyr themselves tbh I could see coin doing that.
@@genericusername702 I'm sure half of the reason they let her go into the capitol is for the chance that her death could be caught on tape. Her uselessness in mockingjay is brilliant because it's the reality of war. The whole point of the last book is to show the reality of war, people die, and not necessarily for just causes. Everyone is a pawn in the game of power between these two evils .
Also it really shows how she was just being used by Coin, as we see when Snow tells her that it was 13 that bombed the capitol people & primrose, Katniss was just a pawn the whole time. And as a result we, just like her, dont see it all go down because she was never meant to, she was just there by design in the story and by Coin
@@nigerianprincess101 Sooooo true too, I feel like the books did a good job of showing us how katniss was used by each side pretty equally by the end of it and they saw her (and all of their citizens) as more of a means to an end.
She shot at the judges because they were distracted and not giving her a fair shot at displaying her abilities. They ranked her so high as punishment for disobedience to make her seem like a threat and therefore make her a target.
Edit: wow thanks for the likes :D
I never picked that up
@@zoesmyth2118 it's in the book
@@angelnafeesa5332 pretty sure they talk about the high rankings as punishment in Catching Fire. When she got the 11 it was because they thought her character would be interesting in the games, the 12s her and Peeta receive in the Quarter Quell was to make her a target.
The books explain all of it very well. The movies skip a lot of the subtle details.
Really? I didn't know that.
"OoOhh what's this? That's a picture of mE? How did that get in there?"
I swear, the shameless audacity of this bamboo stick is impeccable.
Whatever bamboo stick !!!!! Ahhhhhhhh😂
Fucking hot bamboo stick if I ever saw one..
Stahp😂😂😂
I didn’t see the T in “this”, so I read it as “HIS bamboo stick” and I say here for a second thinking about when the hell his dick flashed on the screen 😂
@@IAmNotNicolex lol i did the exact same thing
In the book she actually gets the pin from her “friend” who’s family is quite rich. It has nothing to do with her sister.
And the second book shows the pin belonged to one of the district 12 tributes that Haymitch was allied with in his games. I believe that tribute was the friend’s aunt?
i was so annoyed when i saw the movie after reading the book
@@gyrhan yeah it was her aunt I think, and Katniss’s mother was friends with her in her youth, as she’s seen standing next to her in the reaping
I thought she stole the pin from a vendor? But when she got caught he gave it to her when he saw what it was
@@TheSelenaHiggins no that's in the movies, in the books, marge, her 'rich' friend gave it to her.
Let me repeat this: Mockingjay 2 has a FANTASTIC ending. The whole point is what war does to you--and so Katniss is irreparably damaged, and doesn't want anything to do with it.The ending is very, very well done, even if it is different from other YA novels. Its making a statement.
I didn't like the ending right when I finished it, but when I reread it, I understood her genius.
@@abigailgray I never disliked it, but it was very bittersweet. I tend to love those kind of endings though, seen as HDM is my favourite series and The Hunger games is a close second.
I never really understood the ending
Care to it explain to me
@@everlast1572 What did you understand? What would you like me to explain?
@@jadedawes2556 all I really understood was that prim died
Katniss killed coin
She went back home
And had children
Soooo
this isn't a recommendation but can you imagine Dylan trying to watch a Barbie movie
I haven't stopped thinking about this since I found his channel! I especially want Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper, but I'm not recommending it because I know he doesn't like that
Zeno y’all think your slick about ‘IMAGINE IF HE WATCHED _______ 😻 not reccomemding it tho’ 😂😂 no but i agree princess and the pauper was elite
This needs to be a thing tho.
@@goldenest_wu6024 should we start a petition?
princess and the pauper is the best movie ever and i need to see dylan watch it
The worse part about the “dogs” is that in the book they were actually supposed to be mutations of all the dead kids so far and instead of a horrible menacing amalgamation of flesh, what we got was big black dogs...
Also, Katos death was supposed to be slow and gruesome.
Don’t get me started on Finnick Odair’s death.
Thank you for bringing this up! That's part of the reason why the first movie is my least favourite and I prefer the last three .
No, they aren't. They're not the mutated kids. The dogs just have the genes of the dead kids spliced into them
@@geosustento8894 If i remember correctly, in the book Katniss specifically notices how one of the dogs has Clovers eyes, etc. It was up to our imagination, but it was implied the "Mutants" resembled the kids
Yeah but they changed that because of the rating
Tell me about Finnick's book death!
they gave her a high score to put her on everybody's target list.
Well I think that that was just in Catching Fire, but I see what you were thinking (and idk, I could be wrong 🤷♀️)
They did that in both the first and the second book
Oh, ok. Sorry!
Np...u dont hav to be sorry I just wanted to let u know
yes and also, she missed the first shot because she had never used that bow before, she was used to hand made bows of wood. she needed the first shot to calibrate herself.
I get how, especially in the movies, Peeta getting highjacked sounds silly and weird. But Katniss had a boy who loved her so purely for so long, and all the sudden he's calling her a monster. Not to mention the one thing Peeta never wanted was for the Hunger Games to change him, and it's happened. That's brutal to imagine, and also made the scenes where they're going through the capital more interesting cause the dynamic is so shifted. We expect Peeta to be protecting Katniss at every turn, but now he's a liability literally having to restrain himself to resist killing them.
And Katniss actually contemplated killing him, so that he wouldn't burden the team. That was interesting to add to the debate whether Gale was right about Katniss care more about her survival than romance.
i remember crying and being so upset reading mockingjay because i missed the sweet/soft peeta in the first two books and being sad with the end because he truely never will be exactly how he was or have those memories that were taken away from him :(
yes! their time going through the capitol was much more fleshed out in the books as well so we saw a lot more purpose to peeta’s changed personality in my opinion
That also made the very end feel so profound to me. Katniss and Peeta make it through two hunger games and a revolution together, swept up in a bigger game other people are playing. And by the end of it, yes they survived and can live a life of peace, but they'll never be the same. Always stuck with me.
Well said, 100% agree with everything u said
I do archery as a hobby and I feel like I need to clarify the 50% shot thesis:
It is normal to miss if you shoot with a new bow and Katniss isn't used to either the bow nor the arrow and she doesn't even shoot with metal so missing the fist shot is completely normal and I'm assuming the gamemakers know that
The reason in the books for her high score was to put a target on her back
A better explanation is that Katniss is used to real 3-dimensional archery, not static target archery. It's a very common problem for real archers, because static target archery requires a completely different skillset and perception of reality. Lars Andersen recently did a video explaining this phenomenon.
Yup. It was in the first book. She wasn't used to using a metal/steel bow and arrow.
this is the exact explanation in the book by the way
Yeah, she makes this point in the books and talk about the weight of the bow and arrow and how it differs, also how it bends in a different manner 👏🏻
Peeta didn’t kill the careers in the first movie as his own small act of rebellion. He even said that he didn’t want to be just some “pawn in their games” (referring to the Capitol). He tried to stay true to himself which makes the events of mockingjay even more heartbreaking in my opinion
Yes!!! I think everything Peeta says in the first and second book/movie leads perfectly to what happens to him. He didn't want to be part of anything, he didn't want to be a monster, and he did became one in some ways. He just wanted to stay true to himself, but they took that away from him
Maria Eduarda exactly!!! Peeta knew he wasn’t a killer, and he knew he had little probability in winning (In the first book/movie) so he set it his goal to not give them what they wanted. “If I’m gonna die, I want to still be me” I may be biased but this sentiment deserve more recognition ...especially since it, in a way, inspired Katniss to pull out those berries at the end of the first book/movie
@@lillyp6905 yes! It's really sad to see what happens to Peeta, but I think it was a great thing to the story, and It seems so thought out to me. Not like "i don't know what to do with this character so i'll make this happen" as Dylan pointed out. Maybe it's because I love THG with all my heart but I think it's amazing lmao
In the books he kills the district 8 female and probably 1 or 2 in the bloodbath since he went in to fight.
That's the point in the last movie. That her actions made no-difference. That is the thing that makes me depressed and it's supossed to. Katniss can try but it doesn't do anything, even if they do it by all means. All those sacrifices were for nothing and we are meant to feel it
I think the last two could have been directed in a way that better shows the nature of her role. She's not calling the shots, and they placate her with giving her a little of what she wants, so long as it doesn't affect the actual plan. I think the genius of mockingjay (but also why it isn't necessarily a good movie) is that it subverts the whole *chosen one* trope you think the series is going for.
gotta love dylan’s faith in authorities because “why would they bomb their own people?!” hate to break it to you dylan but it happens in real life
I can't like this comment enough, you're so right. And that's why I found Snow's excuse to be...weak.
so 9/11 was really an inside job? you just mind blown me there.
@@faznanbadri6854 what are you talking about
@@shmel3689 you really don't know what 9/11 is? really? are you younger than 13?
Yeah, I totally agree. I’ve had a few debates about that, but it was always so obvious to me. If Snow had an aircraft, then he would’ve saved himself. He would never hurt the children around him because they were his last defence, something he thought that would keep the revolutionists at bay. Besides, it’s indirectly Gale’s fault and that’s one of the biggest reasons Katniss can’t face him and would never end up with him after. He came up with the bomb idea, even if he didn’t execute it...
“She goes to touch and realizes he’s cardboard... because he has no depth.” I DIED. 🤣
if that aint the truth though! throughout the entire time I referred to gale as Katniss's "boy toy" because that's all he is. He HAS NO CHARACTER AND NO DEPTH. AND WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT CROSSBOWS ARE COOL???? THEY ARE NOT.
TRUEEEE!!!!😂😂
Laura calling Gale ‘Katniss’ boy toy’ is such a power move😭 LMAOOO he wasn’t thaaaat bad guys🤣🤣
The dogs in the movie are so much less intense than the books. They LOOK like the dead tributes in the books. That’s so much more traumatic.
dude wtf 😿
i kinda wonder how they'd do that without making it look goofy as fuck though
@@hinasakukimi if i remember correctly, it was just the human's eyes that stood out in each of the dog's faces? - i ended up googling people's photoshop jobs of dogs with "human faces" and a few edits just had human eyes and haircuts with the rest being dog features, and it looked less goofy, more uncanny-valley. however i imagine that'd be much more difficult to do on a movie without having a Cats situation
@@clutterbot7279 yeah i just can't imagine it looking good
You can google "Ian Joyner muttations" to see the work one of the artist working on the movie came up with. It would have been pretty great and not at all cartoonish.
In the books, the Mockingjay pin is gifted to Katniss by a girl named Madge. Madge was Katniss' only friend, and they traded strawberries for medicine.
Madge was the mayor's daughter, which is why she owned the pin, as the mayor is slightly richer than the others in District 12 (although not by very much.)
Madge's aunt/mother (I don't remember) was in the arena with Haymitch, who died in the same way as Rue (Haymitch arrived too late to save her, and she died in his arms, like Rue and Katniss.)
In the last book, it is implied that Madge died, or at least never made it to District 13. Katniss was great friends with Madge, and obviously upset at this. Madge's death was one of the things that spurred Katniss into acting as the Mockingjay.
:)
I think Madges Aunt also was a good friend of Katniss' Mother and also wore the pin in the arena
@@kati192 waaaay to late to answer this, but it was her mom! She (katniss’ mom) mentions in the second book I think, she died in the same games Haymitch won
@@enyac9877 it wasn’t her mom it was their mutual friend that went in
Why the fuck was this pretty pivotal character entirely removed
@@c0mplex564she had a thing with Gale, so it might’ve distracted Gale and Katniss’ love and the directors wanted to push a love triangle it seems
I think what the books did really well was subvert the ‘chosen one’ trope. It’s both more realistic and tragic, because Katniss wasn’t an active participant in the rebellion, she just wanted to save her sister, and failed. The very ending of the last book when she and Peeta are just trying to recover from what they’ve been through is very apt considering people who come home from wars are scarred for life. Harry Potter doesn’t do that.
This isn't calling out Dylan but:
People: I hate these teen hero tropes, you're telling me one teen girl can change and save the world??? >:( >:( >:(
Katniss: *doesn't do that*
People: *angry Pikachu face*
XD
I also love the ending because as sad as it is, it is hopeful even as it shows that they will never fully recover. It is realistic but not extremely grim. Oddly enough, I think people would have preferred an extremely grim ending because that at least gives them drama. But two broken people nursing their little piece of happiness with their children isn't dramatic or epic, so they don't like it.
I agree! and the thing is she wasn't even supposed to be the face of the rebellion, Coin wanted Peeta to be saved instead of Katniss. Katniss was the second choice which really adds more to Collins avoiding the 'chosen one' trope
I agree! and the thing is she wasn't even supposed to be the face of the rebellion, Coin wanted Peeta to be saved instead of Katniss. Katniss was the second choice which really adds more to Collins avoiding the 'chosen one' trope
One of the most heartbreaking things for me is that Finnick, in the books, doesn't go out in a blaze of glory. We see a glimpse of vulnerability when he asks Katniss to save him, but she can't. And it's quick and unceremonious and that HURTS
I just loved the amount of angst and emotions the book gave me when reading. I remember reading the books after I saw the first movie and I was so happy because I loved reading the second one and figuring out the arena was a clock. Emotionally the book is written sooooo good, there are so many writers who try to make stuff emotional or more anxious but kind of fail to
Everytime I watch the hunger games I look away when Finnick dies, because I can’t look at it
I also find it heartbreaking that he was beheaded, just like Annie's partner in her Games that made her lose it in the first place.
@@LeannahW I hadn’t thought of it that way. Finnick’s death vaguely reminds me of Cato’s, being ripped apart by mutts until Katniss mercy kills him.
@@magic8ball331 oh I definitely see that too. It was one of the worst for me by far and Finnick deserved much better than that kind of death. I just feel like it had to be and extra layer of terrible for Annie and honestly maybe the mutts were always designed to kill Finnick in that way
I disagree about the third movie being bad because of Katniss’ “uselessness”, i think that is precisely why it’s great.
Hear me out...
The entire franchise portrays a more realistic scenario for a revolution; whilst most dystopian movies (the matrix, divergeant, the maze runner...) focus on one character being “the chosen one” and saving humanity, whose role (amidst there own revolutions and turmoils) can be quite simply be resumed to staying alive long enough to be saved by the protagonist, the Hunger Games does quite the opposite. It portrays a protagonist whose motives are ultimately selfish in the sense where Katniss is just trying to protect her friends and family, not start or be the symbol of a revolution to save their world from a corrupt institution. Thus, Mockingjay part 2 and its lengthy and, as we come to find out, pointless voyage through the capitol where multiple major characters are killed portrays this point. Katniss, despite her sacrifices and sufferings by being assigned this symbolic position for uprising has no actual role in the revolution itself. The rest of the rebels carry the revolution and themselves into a new dawn. Therefore I see the last movie as humbling and having more realism than most dystopian tales, revolutions are very hard to portray however Suzanne Colins offers a heart-wrenching and painfully real approach.
Go check out Just Write’s video called “THG: Revolutions are hard to write” for a more in depth analysis
Yeah, I think that's the whole point, this is not a story about a big hero, the chosen one that saves everything, like Harry Potter. She was just a symbol and a pawn, and is left devastated in the end. I just love how it shows a more realistic approach to revolutions and war than just "hero comes and saves the day".
Y E S THANK YOU
YES YES YES.
Also after that movie came out people were singing the song, doing the sign at real life protests!!!! Even it got banned at some countries bc it was firing up uprisings it was AWESOME
Beautifully said. Exactly what I got from the book & the film.
The best proof that hunger games truly was THAT franchise are the comments under this video. Everyone is explaining stuff and talking about deeper plotlines and just saying everything I was thinking although I have read the books YEARS ago. I was truly obsessed and I remember weeping while reading the last book. Hunger games had such an impact at the time. The story had an interesting plot, some great characters, a love triangle (which worked for getting the attention of many teenagers) but was also about the brutality of war. I guess the franchise was popular because it combined some basic catchy elements but also deeper themes as well
No,no it wasnt THAT FRANCHISE.Must people already forgot about the movies,sure it still has fans but nowhere near:Jurassic Park,Star Wars,Marvel,LOTR,Harry Potter etc,those are THAT FRANCHISE.Hunger Games is not
@@jordancreed3003 I still see Hunger Games mentions everywhere and many people have heard about it. It may not be as popular as things like Star Wars and Marvel but that is partly because they're still coming out with shows within those franchises. I think it could very much be considered 'THAT FRANCHISE' still. You know?
I agree with everything…except the love triangle. Because it wasn’t a triangle, it was a corner; A and B are in love with C and C is forced to choose. A true love triangle would be if A was in love with B who’s in love with C who’s in love with A.
Well said!
One thing that I'll always find fault in the first movie, is that they butchered the bread scene(one of the most important in Peeta's and Katniss relationship). At that point in her life, Katniss had lost her father in the mines and her mother had given up on everything. When she stood outside of Peeta's bakery in the rain after trying and failing to find food in the trash cans, she was on the verge of giving up. Death was a release from her feeling pain, cold and sadness, and she would welcome it. When Peeta threw the purposefully burned breads at her, it was the first sign of kindness she had received in a very long time(outside of her sister of course). It gave her the strenght and courage to go on. Peeta basically saved her life long before they went to the Hunger Games . That's why she was so conflicted when he was chosen as a tribute, and that's why the fact that later on he doesn't acknowledge how important what he did for her was, under the effects of the tracker jacker venom, she's incredibly hurt.
Also she was 11 then not 16.
The way Dylan doesn't want to hear anything bad about Finnick.
I agree with him 100%
Everyone us team gale pr perta... why would you care about either of them if finnick exists
Killing Finnick off was the worst decision they ever made. I’d rather anyone die over my man, you mad?. His death really didn’t impact the plot much. If Gale died I wouldn’t have given a fuck. They should’ve to be honest, never liked him anyways. He basically killed Prim..but that’s a controversial topic.... anywho I want to make finnick my husband. And the fact they killed the character off with a child (not to mention Annie who’s been through enough as it is.) is absolutely disgraceful to be completely honest. I will never get over this. Ever.
MentaLly Unstable THISSSSSS
100% agree. apparently suzanne collins also said that if she were to write the books now, she wouldn't have killed him off, and that she hates that she made that decision in the first place--so at least we're not alone.
Phoenix is precious and I feel so bad for Annie
I actually like that in the last movie she isn't the key factor for their win cause it makes it more realistic in my opinion. In real wars people fight for something and struggle, just for it to be useless in the end, it makes it more tragic in a way.
Yes!!!! And she was being used by the rebels as a symbol, not even them (Coin especially) wanted her to be their symbol. I think it's amazing.
yeah that was honestly perfect, cuz it left her as the human she is so she could go and live on instead being this symbol they wanted her to be
Agreed. It's no Harry Potter ending where almost everyone believes Harry is the only one to save them.
Exactly my thoughts. The only thing she did that changed the story was her shot at coin. And that is more realistic and creative than the usual fighting bad guys, snapping their necks, saving the day and getting praised by the new president.
I totally loved that too! Katniss just being a kinda "secondary character" while everything is happening arround her was perfect, bc she never asked for it she just wanted to keep her family safe
cato didn’t push them off because he felt that he was too honorable for that. he wanted to win by brute force in a way that made him feel strong and powerful, not in a way that he considered “weak”
I always thought in the book, all three ran away from the mutts together, Cato wasn't waiting at the top, he was still trying to catch his breath when they were finally on the roof (Cato ran a longer distance and he fought some mutts to get away so he was in worse condition than Katniss at the moment).
@@loveislove2359 you're right, it's pretty much what happened in the book !! and katniss didn't kill cato while he was trying to catch his breath 'cause she was more concerned about the mutts. right before she went to finally kill him, he took peeta from her and the rest is history. pretty sure there wasn't anything about him not wanting to look weak :)
That's what I thought!! He's way too full of pride, he wanted to brutally take them out. He trained for this for years and he's gonna let some dogs take his final kills?? No way
the thing about the ending that’s great is that katniss wasn’t there when they “won”. that’s the whole point is that it takes the whole rebellion and i feel like it actually contrasted so many y/a novels where the protagonist singlehandedly wins and shows that it takes so much more than a single “chosen one”
i 10000% agree
especially because she was so young, she was 16 in the first book and catching fire was around 9 months after. so through out the entire war shes a literal teenager and i think her singlehandedly ending the war would’ve cheapened the story.
She didnt had to singlehandedly win but making the third movie about her basically turned the book/movie into a B-Plot which was horrible.
I’m just glad we all agree that finnick is the best character and deserves better
i literally cried when he died pls-
I’m pissed off all over again about thissss
I love him too much
I have never cried so hard about a fictional characters death.... 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It's been so long since I read the books that sometimes I forget how dark his story actually was.
Cato choosing to fight instead of the smart choice and pushing them off the cornucopia was to show his arrogance and his district’s mentality
I was just about to point that out. He even states in his last words that he always thought he was supposed to "bring pride to my district". Also Clove, who was from the same district, could've just taken Katniss out when she had the chance but she didn't. She promised Cato that she'd give them a show and take her time with killing Katniss when the smart thing would've been to just kill her. It really shows how pride and arrogance was conditioned into them by their district.
Yeah, they weren't known for their brains.
Also because Cato seemed to have given up. He realized why every district hated the games, and he also seemed to question why should he amuse the Capitol or Snow by killing Peeta and letting Katniss be the only winner
So the thing about Snow not a well developed villan is that he isn't actually the villain, it's the whole social and political system of Panem, which yes, is enforced by Snow, but the oppression the districts live in is not solely caused by him, it's about the people from the capitol and the first districts who live off the other districts, who are constantly exploited, mistreated, etc.
Right, the system and the society ideals is the villain
Still,Snow is the head of Panem,you cant expect to show ALL PANEM,thats why there needs to be a central figure that incapsules every bad thing about it,that was Snow and they did a really bad job with it.Many books/movies do the same thing HG did but took time to develop their main villain and by devoloping their main villain they developed the bad faction.HG failed in that regard
@@jordancreed3003 the prequel exploited this really well, how the head is not really the only one in charge.
@@tulip1317 o.o
@@chiannegibbs9462lloyd
The whole idea that Katniss wasn't even responsible for anything in the end, was a great change to the usual YA stories. She wasn't "the chosen one" she was just advertised to be. I thought it was great!
Dylan: has a six pack
Also Dylan: acts like he has to trick us into thinking hes attractive
He's actually not including the abs very good looking
he looked really hot in that one
I want that photo. 🤧🤧🤧🤧.
Legit
Honestly even if he didn't have abs or a handsome face (which he has) his personality would win anyone over
Petition for Dylan to buy a green chair, so he looks like he's floating!
Let's give him one for Christmas
Alex Scoot I don’t think there’s gonna be a chair out there that is all green ngl
we don’t have the budget for that
Not enough budget for that
Name oh you could definitely find a green chair at any decor/furniture store
in defense of the first movie ... catching fire had twice the budget
omg yes. this. How do people expect a movie to look nice when there's barely enough budget to make it look like.... well, what it looked like.
@@julieannelovesbooks i just have a problem with that one weird cut when she volunteered. thats literally it.
@@renoirrr haha, yeah that was horrible. I don’t understand how no one thought to cut and paste a bit better. But hey, at least they got enough budget for the second movie so something like that would never have to happen again.
@@renoirrr ikr? How did it get an OK, all the editors, directors and producers, no one caught it before release? How?
Heres the thing though, the reason it feels so pointless and that Katniss had no actual play in what happened, Is because that’s true and that’s the whole point. Her whole point was to be a figure of revolution, but she really had no power over anything the whole time. Everything was planned out for her. When she travelled through the booby trapped city, they were filming her going through everything as propaganda, hoping to show that katniss was the reason snow was finally defeated, not that coin had everything planned from the start. That wouldn’t be very revolutionary or heart throbbing. Katniss was used the entire time in all of the books, and she never wanted any of it, hence why she left everything to live with her family at the very end. Also the whole pin thing, in the book it was given to her by a friend so it had a lot more meaning, but the movie ruined that which I think was a seriously bad play seeing how important the mockingjay is lol.
No, they didn't want to show Katniss was the reason Snow was defeated, it's actually what Coin feared the most. She wants to catch Katniss death on camera so she became a martyr and also get rid of a threat.
I actually think it makes so much sence that katniss doesn't end the war. Because it shows that the entire chosen one trope isn't realistic. A war isn't won by one person. She is just the spark that starts the revolution, but a revolution is only won by a lot of people working together. Also katniss never wanted to be the mocking Jay and her not winning proves the point that she is just an object no matter who she is used by. It justifies parts of why she killed coin instead of Snow in the end.
And she technically did end the war after killing Coin. She prevented another one from happening in her own Katniss-style fashion.
she's also really not that special. she has to undergo training in district 13, and she's only the face of the revolution because she was brave and they accidentally gave her a huge ass platform. both sides view her as a prop: snow threatening her and gale's families to so she and peeta would act like they were in love, 13 making her film propaganda and not letting her on missions.
the war being won by the rebels and not the one person is better in a book with a message than movies who mimic those books in order to profit. katniss sees the rebels arrive and primrose die, and then she blacks out and when she wakes up, the war is over. not as cinematically artful or satisfying, but for the books it's focusing on prim's death because it's katniss's perspective and that's what mattered the most to her
Also, they gave her a high ranking to serve a purpose. She shot the apple as an act of rebellion. So, giving her a high rank was a punishment because it puts a target on her back the second she gets into the arena.
+Yes, this
That took me ages to get. Its an amazing subtlety that adds so much
Exactly.
THIS. They clearly explained it in the book
2 years late but here goes:
Katniss was given that high of a score because of the skill and attitude it took to shoot the apple among the game maker and his cronies. She revealed she was willing to play outside their rules/ be a problem and by giving her that high of a score they made sure the other tributes would target her right away. Katniss told Peeta to throw the weight to show the others his strength. He could toss a person around if he could toss that thing.
There were too many people sleeping under that tree for Peeta to kill without waking someone up I think. He had a better shot at making sure she was ok up in the tree until he had a better plan. And I’m pretty sure Cato said something along the lines of killing him once they got her.
Peeta’s highjacking was a very important part of Mockingjay. “It is the things we love most that have the power to destroy us” or however Snow said it. When she lost Peeta’s love, she lost part of the foundation she’d grown accustomed to leaning on. It was a perfect weapon for Snow to use.
I think the her killing Coin instead of Snow was a great end. She knew Snow would get his death. But it wasn’t Snow who had been using her. She saw the trajectory Coin might be on. Killing her was the lesser of 2 evils. Besides, she was the one who gave the order for the bombs to be dropped. Are you gonna pass up getting revenge for the death of your sister? (and I think no one second guessed that the bombs were dropped by the Capitol because of the ships used and what they heard from Finnick about Snow, etc)
I love reading analyses like this
In the books the way she gets the pin makes more sense. The mayor’s daughter gives it to her, which is more logical because the mayor’s daughter doesn’t need the money. But I’m sure the movie didn’t want to waste time introducing a new character
They spent a lot of time on exposition in the first film, which makes sense, so yeah that’s probably why.
i love the movies and think they are a great book adaptation but i wish they hadn't left this bit out.
People die in this, Dylan must be having a blast
lol true
Until it's Finnick who dies.
@@mossmortis Too Soon!!
Arizona Weller it will always be too soon to make fun of finnick’s death 😫
They gave her a high score to put a target on her back for daring to shoot at them,and the volunteering.
hamich said that in the book i think
I literally came to leave this comment!
YESSS i was waiting for someone to comment this
ive seen this comment so many times now...and yes, that is true. the point is that the movie should've made that clear for those who DIDNT read the books. a good movie should be able to stand on its own without viewers needing to go read the book to understand.
@@NelleBear But they do in the movie. Its either outright said or heavily implied.
One line of Snow that never left my head and still occasionally pops up there, is that a little hope is effective, a lot of hope is/can be dangerous. If not one of the most dangerous emotions. It can either be easily abused or used for something great/beautiful. That's kinda scary. Like walking on thin ice. It could crush.
Yes, and he also says "hope is the only thing stronger that fear" referring to games
That makes me think of how Katniss and Peeta having children at the end of the book really brings Snow’s quote full circle. Katniss didn’t want to bring children into that type of world, but finally had enough hope to have them in the end, even though she is very much aware that there are “worse games to play.”
If Dylan ever decides to review divergent he's going to end the franchise's career
this aged well
@@meghan9736 lmao ikr
@@meghan9736 Fr😂👏🏼
HE DID. AND IT WAS HILARIOUS
i clicked without even seeing the title but the fact it’s HUNGER GAMES makes it so much better
Same
Me too
The hunger games is everything
He should do one on the divergent franchise that would be interesting
SAME, i dont look at the titles on his videos until after I click the video.😂😂 Because I know that it's gonna be AMAZING.
Dylan trying to trick us into thinking he’s attractive like we didn’t already know...
exactly lol
Gurl his nudes done leaked n everything I-
Lol
@@goldeneye3100 WHERE I NEED THESE
William Kael where
The last two movies felt like they were for the readers and not for the people who had only seen the movies if that makes sense
agree. because i loved it lol and it makes sense for us because we know the context and the emotions of our main character.
Yeah. It seems everyone went into it expecting an action packed movie on the same level of Deathly Hallows Part 2. To be fair, Part 2 had a lot of action but no, it’s a political thriller. That’s what the entire series is.
I disagree. i havent read the books (except a few chspters of book 1) and Mockingjay is my favourite movie out of them.
@@haadiyasandhu6615 read the books if you can. Even though the movie are genuinely great, the books are so much better. They flesh out relationships and characters other than Katniss so much more compelling. Especially as a Peeta fan, I can't say it enough
@@haadiyasandhu6615 I only read the first book and like them too. (I didn't read the others because I really don't like to read present 1. Perspective. I feels like sitting in the front row of a movie theater.)
"Build a franchise" It's funny because the series was just gonna end as one book. Catching Fire never meant to happen, Suzanne only wrote because she realized Katniss would for sure get consequences for what she did in the end of the first book. That's an aspect I've always loved.
I always thought she planned for more. The fact that she referenced Johanna Mason who appears in the second, the fact it happens to be the 74th games right before the 75th that conveniently happens to be the year before either a 25 year or 10 year gap. And that the capitol were pissed at her for her stunt so it leaves a huge opening for a second. I think if it was gonna be a stand alone book she would have either killed both of them or have Katniss kill Peeta
@@davidfairweather3301Those sound like things that can be changed fairly easy during the editing process, so it very well could be that she was several drafts into the first book and only then thought of the idea of a sequel, before layering in build up to that sequel on a redraft/edit.
I think what you missed with the end of Mockingjay was when Katniss saw her sister die... that was the end of the war for her... she lost what she was fighting for. I don’t think the satisfaction of Killing President Snow would’ve been enough for her, which it wasn’t and that’s why she killed Coin to kill the monster that killed her sister. Also the tracker jacker thing was played up waaaay more in the books. The warfare they used was almost always part psychological as well, which was something that was hard to display in the movies. Ok done lol
a girl worth fighting for? sorry for that joke
And by killing coin she stopped what she know would be another snow. Snow was going to die anyway no matter what but nobody but katniss was going to or probably wanted to kill coin.
@@ginasmith8569 I forget his name but the guy that helped her navigate the Capitol also stated that Coin wanted to get rid of Katniss once she lived out her usefulness
@@Keiran1764
The name of the guy is Boggs
Just Write has a nice video about the unexpected ending. His point is, basically, maybe it's a good thing that the revolution didn't depend on a "chosen one". We can't help thinking Katniss is a chosen one, but she really isn't.
"she realizes he's made of cardboard - he has no depth" I SCREAMED
It’s true tho
I laughed so hard that I'm crying
I wanted so bad for him to have some more character too! Honestly I think Gale was better for Katness than Peta...but whatever. *shrug* I'm not shipping.
@Presley Lu why?
me trying to explain to people who didnt read the books why team gale is a no no
Jen was so phenomenal as Katniss, she literally became Katniss and you know that one part in Mockingjay, where everyone tells when was the time that Katniss left a mark on them, and Effie said when she volunteered for her sister... I felt that too. Even watching a snippet of the scene here, when she screams, "I volunteer as Tribute!", I got goosebumps all over my body. The way she delivered the line, the panic, the fear, all of it, depicted so perfectly. No one could have done a better job, according to me. ❤️
The one thing I loathed about the movie is how they eliminate Madge and her entire existence. The story behind that pin, completely overshadowed in an attempt to cut one character. When 12 was bombed, Katniss lost a friend and her mother lost the last connection she had to her deceased best friend. Haymitch lost the connection to the one ally he had by his side, whom he failed to save, in the games. The Mayor and his kindness, Madge and her bravery- all were inconsequential and non-existent.
They ranked her so high to make her seem like a toght competitor and make her a target. Basically, a punishment for disobedience
That’s also a part in the book 📚
Is no one gonna talk about the shirtless Dylan pic or are we just moving past that
Oh no im gonna talk abt that. Gotta admit, he is fine af! Like damn!
YES HOLY SHIT
Oh. my. god.
I was like
So no one in the comments is gonna admit to how hot he looked?
Exactly! This is the first comment I've seen talking about it. 😭
The fact that no one talked about Dylan's shirtless photo at 1:23 emphasizes the fact that the franchise is SO good
I had to scroll down soooooo much to talk about this
I know right haha I'm a fellow shocked shirtless picture enjoyer@@priyankahime
"Oh, then Rue comes in, and then spear comes in Rue."
(I feel horrible, but I actually did laugh, Dylan, wow)
Katniss is a pawn for the war leaders, that's the point.
Yes, right! After reading the books I came to the conclusion she was a reluctant made-up heroine.
She was a pawn to the war leaders, President Snow, Hunger Games itself , and the Capitol she was literally a pawn to everyone that is why I commend her because so many ppl used her for their “Revolution” even though she didn’t want to be apart of it she just wanted to save her family specifically Prim not be the chosen hero
Fun facts: In the book Peeta was actually awake all night to make sure Katniss didn’t get killed. Thresh was killed by Cato. It took hours before Cato actually died because he had protective armor and Katniss finally decided to shoot him.
Yeah!! I remember Cato’s death in the movie being so quick as opposed to the torture-like one he had in the books
Yeah after i think more abt it if peeta killed even ONE of them in their sleep, their pack consisted of 4 ppl, and they are very alert and high in adrenaline. If one of them screamed the rest would just lunge at peeta esp if he killed cato ( the biggest threat ) clove his best friend would one shot him hh
Jesus fu- are u serious? That’s so messed up. I death by animal is so intense. I’ll have to rewatch the first one again
@@queenelizabee7246 yeah it was pretty brutal I remember it being pretty graphic because he was just slowly being torn apart and getting eaten alive but Katniss felt bad so she finally shot him
@@victoriahopkins4836 reminds me of the time I got forced into watching cabin fever. I’ve literally had nightmares about that for months. So I’m glad that wasn’t a directorial choice to add that in.
22:10 U kinda forgot that President Coin is the true villain and we spend lots of time with her in the third book. Also President Snow’s ‘villainy’ doesn’t really need more exploration in the context of Katniss story, she sees enough of who he is through his leadership style and what he is doing the people of panem and to peeta in the final book.
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED MORE THRESH. he was honestly such an interesting character even with so little screen time and his death was the worst bcuz i wanted more from him.
Thresh is great, he never played into their games and kept to himself and didn’t answer the questions during the interviews. Everyone was quite intimidated by him and avoided the area where he was using as a base, katniss had huge respect for him and was more heartbroken by his death in the books
we got a dylan shirtless picture ladies. WE GOT IT.
There are at least two more on the internet. Someone told me, I didn't look it up 👀
we won
Yaaas. And I don't like white boy like that. He is fricking gorgeous
With unbuttoned jeans👀 I nearly cried
I guess now I have a new screen saver 🤤😻
dylan being a finnick stan is everything i didn't know i needed
Ikr 😭😭
Respect Cruel Intentions in your avi, would be hysterical if Dylan ever watched that
@@13realmusic ugh I will love a Cruel Intentions review. Such a classic and bittersweet symphony
Can I just say that all the comments you guys wrote were spot tf on, and just sum things up so beautifully and eloquently! Like....you're all saying the things I could never put into words, and I'm so glad that we all have similar viewpoints on how things turned out in the end. It wasn't supposed to be the kind of story where the main character gets her perfect revenge and that everything she was fighting for turned out well. There are plenty of stories with that plotline. What Hunger Games does is not sprinkle it with bullshit & sparkles.
Children are forced to kill one another. Her younger sister, the person she even started fighting for in the first place, is killed right in front of her, RIGHT WHEN SHE'S ABOUT TO GO INSIDE TO KILL HER OPPRESSOR. Even people who were her own allies ended up doing AWFUL, HORRIBLE things, because like you all perfectly stated, that is what war is! Propaganda and horrible shit happening on both sides. The ending is just that...the end of this story. There is no "everyone and everything lived happily ever after." Life just continues and you learn to live with it.
I died when he started talking about Peeta throwing boulders around...
Alrighty Dylan, let's crack this open cause you've got a lot of great suggestions that actually did happen in the books.
Yeah, the pin was supposed to be given to her by her friend Madge. It was her aunt Maysilee's from when she fought and died in the last Quarter Quell with Haymitch, and he defied the Capitol and was punished for it. It was supposed to be a symbol of how the mockingjay was an animal that the Capitol used, then left for dead, but survived and returned unexpectedly, and the rebels identified with that.
Peeta in the books is bigger and stockier, and is shown to be quite strong as a baseline, so the careers keep him around for that as well as Katniss. But he also knows that he can't take all of them at once, so if he kills one in their sleep and the others wake up, he's done for.
There were some interesting relationships between the tributes! Katniss spends a lot of time evaluating and respecting Foxface's strategy. There's implications that Cato and Clove had a closer relationship than you'd expect for careers that knew there could only be one victor. In the books, Clove calls out for Cato when attacked by Thresh, and after he kills her, Thresh takes D1's package to draw Cato out for revenge. Thresh is killed by Cato off screen, but the fight does happen, and I'm still sad we never got to see it in the movie 😢
C'mon Dylan, we know you like themes. Peeta's whole thing from the beginning was that he didn't want to lose who he was. Thematically, hijacking his memories fits his character motivations, and the theme that war takes *everything*. It's even set up in the first book when Katniss gets stung by tracker jackers, hallucinates terrifying things, and almost can't tell what's real after she wakes up.
The Hunger Games isn't the first book to do YA revolution, but it's one of few that show the reality of war and revolution - that one person, despite having the incredible power to inspire, is not enough for radical change. Suzanne's books were never about glorifying violence and war, but to discuss the brutality, cost, and at times boring reality of it. That's a theme she kept until the end. From beginning to end, Katniss is just a girl from D12 that happened to inspire a revolution, the seeds of which Katniss only sees in book 2 despite having started in book 1. Her motivation isn't to defeat Snow because he's her enemy, but to protect her family and just survive, and she knows she can't do that so long as he lives. She's not a soldier despite being able to fight, she doesn't have plot armour, she's not charismatic or good at everything, she doesn't always care about the greater good, she's a child of only 16-18 fighting a war against figures so far outside the scope of her experience. I really do think that's why the series continues to be popular, because the series takes the YA idea of "I'm just one normal girl" and stays true to it despite everything.
For Suzanne, Katniss' victory isn't being able to kill Snow. Her real victory is that despite all of the horror, Katniss is still able to hope.
Ugh your mind is so powerful, I mean you just put everything I was thinking into words and I want it framed on my wall 😌
Suzanne Collins is a brilliant writer and even though I LOVE the movies the books reminded me of “all quiet on the western front” in how it describes the hopelessness and horrors of war. I think Suzanne’s dad or mom (or husband or someone in her life lol) was military and she traveled a lot and saw a lot of the atrocities of war first hand.
i gave up reading that
Well said! Honestly perfectly said. Especially that last paragraph.
The series BROKE me when I read it. I felt so down and that last book really made me feel like I was suffocating the entire time, and the book's ending? Heart-wrenching. There were no winners in the book and the movie I like better because it didn't have that same feeling of helplessness (I know I know, it takes away from the concept of the books but I don't think I could have made it out of the theater otherwise).
I read the series one time, and its so dark--that even though it's well written and really good--I haven't been able to bring myself to re-read it.
@@liberty3542 Don't blame you. I almost did too. And when I finished it when the last book came out, I haven't re-read the books again either
Here's the thing, the hunger games series is a story about a revolution. People think the third one strayed from the first two by being solely about the revolution but the revolution was always there. And while I do acknowledge that the end scene of the last movies where the bombs go off and Katniss goes unconscious is disappointing, I think it's really realistic. It breaks this whole "the chosen one" trope that happens in movies where a revolution is carried by one person and not the collective. Hunger games did the tough job of writing a realistic revolution, where yes Katniss serves as symbol and inspiration to the revolution but the real deciding factor in winning or losing lays in the people, the collective, and not one glorified hero chosen one.
I COMPLETELY AGREE
I completely agree as well.
The hunger games is so popular that in Myanmar protests, the protesters actually use the 3 finger salute as a sign of resistance..loved that!
rewatching and i have to say i kinda like the fact that it wasn't katniss who captured snow because it's unexpected for a book/movie like this but it's also realistic. i mean she is 17 and despite winning the hunger games she still isn't experienced enough to take down snow and his entire army when she doesn't know how to lead an army of her own. plus the idea that she worked hard to achieve something but fell just a little short of it combined with the analogy of her catching fire kind of makes it more realistic and relatable i guess?
So the part where Dylan discusses the rankings and Katniss’ ranking not making sense? Its explained a bit better in the books.... The purpose of giving Katniss a high score was to set her up as a threat to the “Careers” so that they hunt her down and kill her.... Which they do attempt to do this at the beginning of the games 😊
I think they even said that in the movies. Becuase she shot an arrow at the judges
Thank you! I was looking for this comment.
I thought it was just a joke
It was to spice up the games as if she's popular she's both a threat to the careers and likely to get sponsors to give her things increasing the odds of her causing drama in the games. The books mention ratings were low due to the game where most the contestants froze to death
@@ayajade6683 you are absolutely right, I kinda just skimmed over why :)
Dylan : "im not trying to condition your brain by showing you pictures of handsome men and then also sliding in there pictures of me so your brain asosites me with handsome men noooooo im not doing that at alll "
me : well i mean.... it worked quite well ngl
It reminded me of that one episode of the office when Michael tries to convince Donna to sleep with him through a PowerPoint.
literally how they brain washed peeta
Jocelyn Lopez I was thinking the same thing!!
It wasn’t really brainwashing if I enjoyed the eye candy.
what can we say? we unfortunately love a skinny white boy
They deliberately put a scene in that talked about her ranking. They made it 11 because it would’ve put a target on her back, making the games more interesting
Am I the only one who is an enormous fan of all four movies and all three books? I'm an author, I am a harsh critic of stories in my genre of ya scifi fantasy, and I can honestly tell you that these stories, that are so deranged and yet so applicable to real life, are some of the best I have ever had the pleasure of being a part of the hype for.
I like all four movies. The 3 is actually one of my favourite parts.
dylan, dylan, the movie gave her the pin for free because they didn’t want to pay another actor to play what happened in the book
That's fucked up because that's a beautiful and necessary part of the books that would have been great in the movie honestly
Wait what happened in the books? I read the book but it was years ago
@@betsinatchambers2532 Same I'm wondering too
@@betsinatchambers2532 the Pin was given to Katniss by Madge, the mayor's daughter in the justice building. In the following books, there's a few chapters showing that the two went from being on good terms to really good friends. Too bad that they cut her from the film, given that Katniss never had many friends I'd love to see their dynamic on screen.
I've always hated this about the movies!
Is it just me who have always found Dylan quite handsome? Even during his spiked hair phase.
He’s super attractive and quirky, I was over the moon when he gave us a shirtless picture.
Especially during the spiked hair phase
His charisma also helps to make him look that attractive as he is
And he knows it... He's lying
I was gonna agree with you, but no not the spiked hair hahaha still hot tho
6:38 in the books it says that they gave her a high score to put a target on her back because of her behavior. That way players in the arena would go after her first to eliminate competition
Yes, that was the point. For Katniss to realize that no matter what she does, it makes little difference.
I don’t agree with Dylan on President Snow. In the books, he is always such a menacing presence. He doesn’t need to be present for me to understand he is the villain. He is the one calling all the shots, making these kids kill each other every year. And maybe it was because we were seeing things through Katniss’ eyes, but he was scary as all hell.
Also, of course Katniss isn’t really important in the end, that’s THE WHOLE POINT. A revolution isn’t about one person. They are using her as a pawn. Literally the whole freaking point how the hell did Dylan miss this? Especially since he said he read the books.
But I do agree about Gale. Not only in the movies, but also in the books, Peeta is such an interesting character, I don’t understand why people love Gale so much.
Yeah , then Snow always made it a point to remain “ present” psychologically , always leaving white roses for Katniss to make her feel like she was always being watched and monitored by him, even when it wasn’t physically possible .
Gale is so underdeveloped as a character for me. He literally feels like Generic Hot Angry Rebel Guy Template #387. I've seen it in YA literature so much and the problem is that this character has evolved from someone with hopes, dreams, and a coherent storyline into a collection of tropes that are supposed to stand-in place for actual character development.
Dylan did say he read the books a few years ago. He probably forgot.
taesthetic Yeah, you’re probably right. It’s only the main theme of the whole series. Easily forgettable. Sometimes he plays the ignorant to make some “good” points, and while I usually like him and I even subscribed, I don’t like criticism just for the sake of it.
Exactly!! I thought the end was genius, Katniss may be the protagonist, but she didnt call the shots, its refreshing and amazing
She missed the first shot due to nervousness and,more importantly, because she didnt use thid specific bow and didnt know how it would behave.
The second movie is probably towards the top of my list of favorite movies, both cinematically and story-wise. It was so beautifully-shot and the plot was hella intriguing, with some very well-done dark scenes. I read the book before watching the movie, and the movie was so well done, that I literally imagined an entire scene in my head from the book (the watch scene while katniss was dancing). I thought it existed cuz it so vividly tied into the movie’s portrayal of the book, and I was disappointed to find it wasnt an actual thing
Fun fact: Stephenie Meyer recommended The Hunger Games to her readers on her blog before it had started to catch on. I really believe she helped it become as popular as it is.
That’s how I found out about thg, I don’t think I would’ve found/read it as soon as I did otherwise
I remember this! When the books were first being sold in bookstores in our country, it always had stephenie meyer's review attached with it
stephanie meyer is such a lovely woman and she doesn’t deserve and ounce of the hate she gets
She has an evil tattoo on her arm
That’s how I found it!
The whole point was that Katniss was a symbol and couldn’t have just ended the war
"its almost as if this women is trying to give her the pin"
women: *literally gives pin*
16:09 "these two shots are better than anything ... ever"
I’m still salty that they didn’t do the book version of how Katniss actually got the mocking jay pin and left out the character who gave her the pin !
Puhfoofl EXACTLY!!!!
You aren't Alone
Alan Fernandez glad I’m not the only one
also the way when anyone mentions the hunger games, people immediately go "tEaM pEeTa or tEaM gALe" will always make me mad because that was not the point of it at all, but that is what a WHOLE revolution was reduced to in the end
Hollywood falling for the same "oh look a love triangle!" as the Capital? Accuracy 100
That’s exactly what the author made a point out of too. People focus on the romantic star crossed lovers end rather than the important concepts of what’s going on, just like the capital. She’s just BRILLIANT tbh.
In a series that condemns the behaviour of the citizens in the Capitol, the series just so happened to attract audience members who see the movie just like they saw the Games.
Puhfoofl o
just like team Edward or team Jacob from twilight
The pin is given to her by her friend in the books, but the woman even giving it away to her would have made more sense in the books. It’s well established that Katniss’s father was very well respected in their district, and a lot of people pitied them and gave what little help they could when he died.
My favorite thing about the hunger games is that Katniss isn't a "chosen one." There are so many movies and series out there that surround around a person who is 'destined' to do something or vanquish someone or another. It was honestly refreshing to have a series about a girl who is just trying to stay alive and keep her family safe.
In the book Madge, who is the mayor's daughter, gives Katniss the pin.
The fact that madge or the mayor weren’t in the movies was one of my biggest pet peeves about them!
Back when I first saw the movies the whole way they handled the pin irritated me and made it exactly opposite of what it was supposed to be. Now of course since it's been a million years I can't remember the book pin vs the movie pin. But I remember being irritated. :D
YESSS! Ugh, I was so annoyed that the movie cut basically the entire backstory of the pin
the fact that madge didn’t give her the pin in the movie always kinda irked me
Ikr
the movie turned Katniss into another main character with absolutely no friends
To be honest though, that girl wasnt really that interesting. I even forget that she existed in the books.
@@realglutenfree she played a huge role in symbolism though we can't just forget that.
Ikr
My favourite thing about rewatching these videos is appreciating the perfection that is a 1080p background and a 240p Dylan.
Me as a kid: how can be the capitol be so evil?!
Me as an adult: we *are* the capitol 💀
A few things:
I totally agree that Finnick is a great character and he was done so dirty in the final book and movie. I'm still bitter almost a decade after I first read it. He deserved better! I'd love to read a solo story from his games!
The third book is super underrated because everyone says "ThE bOOks ARe OnLY GooD cAUsE oF thE GaMEs" but the books are about a revolution and it accurately portrays what Katniss' role would’ve been. I also loved the evaluation of PTSD and just trying to survive.
Also, people who make this about team Peeta/Gale kinda miss the point of the franchise. Don't get me wrong, when I first read this in 7th grade, I was super invested in Katniss and Peeta's relationship, but rereading it as an adult made me realize how completely besides the point it is. Its almost like Collins was showing the audience that we can have Capitol mentality, focusing on the star crossed lovers over the horrific experiences of these kids. Well played, Suzanne.
I am also bitter that they didn't show the training storyline of Katniss and Johanna in the third book cause I liked their dynamic and how similar they were.
And lastly, yes, the second book and movie was the best. Period. 😂
Well said on people acting like the capital .
I agree with all of this.
That point about Suzanne sending the message that we are content consumers just like in the capitol was eye opening! Also yeah I watched the movies for the first time this week (solely because of Dylan’s video) and I’m halfway through mockingjay 2 - still pissed they missed Joanna and Katniss’s training. I feel like it fleshed out Joanna’s character to more than just a snarky, psychotic young woman. I think it’s important because when Madge died she kind of took her place as a girl - friend in Katniss’s life (at least what I thought)
I completely agree
The 2nd movie is the best
The point is that rebellion and revolution don't depend on a single person, even if they're a powerful symbol, they depend on the collective. She didn't start the rebellion, she was a means to and end... just like everyone else. Katniss is our hero because she survives war, not because she wins it.
Besides, the revolution already started a long time ago in the books. The mocking jay was already used as a symbol of the resistance was before she even volunteered herself as tribute. You can read a glimpse of it in the first book, when they explain why some people at the capitol were servants whose tongues were cut off. I don't remember their names.
@@Claire-td1ng was it the Avox? For some reason that name is sticking in my head.
@@katiec2752 Yeah, that's the name 👍
Katniss is my hero for several reasons, one of them is that she inspires the people to recognize that one can disobey the tyranny, and one can show compassion in the face of cruelty and one can show solidarity in a time of (enforced) division. This inspires the people to follow her example and thereby start the revolution.
This thread of comments makes me so happy to see 😭
Please continue the series, I just discovered you because of it and this is gold.
everyone’s saying how they have katniss a perfect score to put a target on her back but that’s only the 2nd book. it’s cuz she rebelled after winning the first hunger games and they weren’t happy abt it. i always viewed the reason why the first perfect score was given to katniss was bc she did something different. it showed she was special and different
Katniss was a character that didn’t want to be a hero but was made into one by circumstance. Throughout the books she is used by various people (without her knowledge) to create this revolution against the current government. She is portrayed as “the chosen one”/ poster girl for the revolution but didn’t know anything that was happening until the end so it made sense why she blackedout in the middle of the revolution and wokeup when the war ended because district 13 was going to continue with their plan whether she was conscious or not.
I'd like to point out how fine this man is. And I LOVE THE HUNGER GAMESSSSSSSS
he fine
he really tricked you into thinking he's handsome. Noiceeee
Sanitary
Purp Orchid86 that’s so fetch- urm i mean sanitary
That opening bit with the pictures was straight up Michael Scott 😂
Stumbled onto your channel yesterday and I am hooked. Keep up the good work
"The capital wouldn't bomb its own people" in the case of the hunger games. Yes. In the case of real life, it happens all the time dylan
Dylan's hair is turning into Troys dad from High School Musical 3
Duude😂😂😂facts
Ain't no complaints tho😂😂
OMFG
"You have become the very thing you swore to destroy" is the meme that comes to mind here