Hey, this is the guy who bought the bike from you 👋😁. I'm at 400 miles and have some updates lol. All 400 miles are on Denver city streets and trails. 39 miles- realized the grating under the headlight makes it worthless. The grate distorts the light and casts the pattern onto the road. Bought an 8000 lumen bar light and disconnected the stock light so I can still use the back light at night without seeing the grate pattern lol 67 miles- added tannus armor and slime after my 3rd flat, the tubes are really really thin. 131 miles- the front mud guard fell off. 188 miles- rear brakes failed. Checked pads and realized they weren't fully seated over the disk and had worn a groove until they couldn't connect. Got new pads and seated properly. 247 miles- rear mud guard fell off 315 miles- stitching on grips started coming out 346 miles- front brakes failed. Disk bent. Replaced disk. I have done range tests and it gets 30 miles on throttle only, not 40. If you keep it on pas 2 which limits it to 20mph and don't touch the throttle it gets 65 miles range though. Other than that it's been a great ride. It's too cold for me to ride now so I took the battery and back wheel/motor off and brought them inside and the rest of it is on a hook in the garage lol. Will definitely remain in the line up next season though.
Being a lifetime motorcyclist, the Challenger naturally caught my eye. With adequate brake and tire upgrades, do you think this would be a suitable bike to mod up to 8000W 72V 60mph with?
@@charlesweeks5707 Good to know Charles, With your experience, Do you think the Challenger is solid enough for 50mph use with upgrades to tires, brakes, motor and battery?
@@freshlycharged Yes, Good point! I got a 750/1100W folder for that reason, It's fast but doesn't look like a motorcycle. Karens and Cops can spoil a nice day... The ANIIOKI AQ 177 60AH Step-thru Electric Bike might be ideal for a long range, e-motorcycle in disguise
The Philodo H8 has two 1000 watt motors and two batteries, one for the front and back wheels, top speed of 35 MPH and PAS range of 62 miles, 40 without PAS, with fat stubbies. I ordered two of them for me and my wife to ride the beach here in NC.
My home built, 1989 Diamond Back db has 48v 20a 1500w will cruise over 30mph for 25m, modified the front wheel to stop the wobble... Yours is a great looking bike. To bad you can't modify anything.
My favorite features on this e-bike are the horn and turn signals. Why are our bicycles not made to be more compatible with street environments? Our bicycles are still basically children's toys, from a traffic safety perspective.
@@johnw65 - I just saw a new design of rear light that includes an accelerometer so it is EXTRA BRIGHT when you slow down. In other words, it's a BRAKE LIGHT. There is really no excuse not to make it easy to make your bicycle more compatible with the cars with which you share the road.
@@pacificostudios That's great! I used to average 10,000 miles/year on my motorcycles but I've slowed down in my golden years. Safety should be the #1 priority.
I wish it had a bench seat and a rear rack like my Juiced Scorpion, the lack of a rack is really what keeps me from changing to another more motorcycle looking ebike.
Hiya Inja, I think they're keeping the price down. Only $1799 right now.... Pop a 4kw motor on it, build a 72V battery into that 'tank', add a decent controller and be smoking hot! And at a fraction the cost of your Honda build or even the Ducati!
That's really cool but I feel like a shunt mod or even a new 2kw hub motor and controller would make this thing a lot better.... Definitely look for better forks, maybe street tires and a good alarm system built into the frame if it's going to be treated like a motorcycle.
The 750W version is the only street legal one in most states. Max legal speed is 28mpg, so the 750W is the one if you don't want to get hassled about it being outside of the legal specs. A 2000W motor would not be legal on trails and on streets without registering the vehicle. I prefer a version that is legal on roads and trails, without needing a license, registration, and insurance. But yes, a 2000W motor would really be badass.
I wonder if the battery gets hot on sunny/hot days. Is there ventilation? You can't remove the battery to charge it at an office or in your home. It's also not good to leave the battery in cold weather. So if you are in an area where winters are very cold, you'd have to move the whole ebike inside rather than park it in your garage, or risk damaging the battery.
Bee-Challenger is $1999 for 750W48V30AH, With A frame capable of big loads and hiway speeds! This is best bike for a DIY e-motorcycle. I'd get the 750, swap it for a 5KW motor, go 72V, tag it and ride it on the interstates!
@@donvee2000 🤔 That's interesting, thanks. So, unlike lead/acid car batteries, ebike batteries have to be kept warm? Is the same true for batteries in electric cars?
Thanks i was considering this bike for $2,000 but now I don't think so. Any suggestions? I need 3 bikes for our family. I have two already, a EUY S4 26ah, and Ridstar 21ah. What should be a third? The EUY was $1450 delivered and Ridstar $1,050. Any suggestions for my third bike? Needs to have same capabilities as other two, and is more for playing around on slightly hilly gravel roads and our level fields. Thanks!
Hi guys, in Spain (and other Eu countries) the power limit of an electric scooter is 1000w (nominal power), so, could you please make a video with all the E-scooters that match that power (like the new Apollo City Pro 2022, or the WideWheel Pro). Thanks very much guys!
Esta "bici" me recuerda a una Mobylette o hasta a un Vespino No lo entiendo de que cualquier cosa que sea electrica y tenga pedales, da igual que pueda llegar a los 100, pues lo consideren una bici mientras que cualquier cosa que no sea una chapuza de bici moto y tenga pedales siempre se haya considerado como una moto de toda la vida
It has pedals to make it meet the legal parameters, so comparing it to an electric bike meant to be also a pedal bike is like comparing apples to oranges. It is meant to be a legal electric moped, period, period.
Nice looking bike. However, ... 1. Seat comfort and height adjustment is important to me (learned that from owning two e-bikes). I've had to purchase aftermarket parts and seat for both. 2. No space for a rear rack is kind of a deal killer for me. For long rides, you want most of your stuff on a rack instead of on your back. 3. They should have made the 'tank' (battery) removable, that's like e-bike 101 for selling points. One of my e-bikes weigh's 90lb. with the battery (thank goodness I don't have to store it where stairs are). As stated in the video this is a major negative selling point for apartment dwellers. 4. Brakes, sound like they should have used the Tektro brand to start out with like other e-bike dealers use.
90% of Americans don't live in Apartments... The brakes lock up with a 215 pound rider. The off brands keep down the price. 4 screws gets the battery off. if you really want to leave this outside in an apartment parking lot...
@@johnw65 Dude, have you've been to NYC? They have a healthy, thriving e-Bike community and nothing but apartments. Obviously, you did not consider dense populated areas like cities. With most e-Bikes, you get what you pay for. I spent months researching each bike I purchased along with others. My advice is don't go cheap...try and save up. Both my e-Bikes accommodate 300+ lb., and my brakes don't "lock up", I'm a big guy. Both of my batteries are removable (which is great if you need to swap). Also, you cannot start my bike up without using the key in a separate start switch. I keep two different locks on both bikes, plus have a motion alarm on them, as well as Apple Air tags. Nothing is 100%, but staying vigilant and always consider the risk when locking it up somewhere for an hour or so goes a long way in prevention. Anyway, thanks for responding and have a bless day! 👍
@@MrPrincepop What I meant was, in another review, a 225 lb guy was able to skid to a stop from top speed with these brakes. I have a 10 acre farm, 2 car garage, 1200 sq ft shop and a barn with locking tackrooms... Love the Bee Challenger yet just bought a G-Force T42, 750w lookalike to the Lectric stepover... There's hundreds of bikes out there! Why whine that this is inconvenient if you live on the 4th floor of a Brownstone in Brooklyn? I ADMIRE ENGINEERING... Not nitpick things that don't fit my needs or lifestyle. My new T42 Folder fits in my hatchback, has a great rack for accessories. I look fwd to customizing it how I like! Not complaining because it's not built to my needs
Form over function. Looks great, no way I, as an engineer, want that battery mounted way up high; it dismisses the concept of keeping a low center of gravity. But I can afford it, so I may get one for the days when I just want to look snazzy. Nameen?
Most states do not require e bikes to be registered tagged or require a drivers license and restrict speeds to 25 to 30 mph. And do not allow class 3 e bikes on the road or multiple use trails. People like this are going to force states ti increase their restrictions to at least moped standards. Where in most states they have the same requirements as motorcycles.
About the same speed as my razor dirt bike but that range though! I’ve never tested my range but I think it will only do like 10-15 miles with a 28ah 48v battery
@@CD31337 good point. Mine is a 2kw motor and my controller pulls 60 amps. 60x48 2.8kw where if there’s is only pulling closer to the 1kw there motor is rated for I in theory would expect about half the battery life in minutes. And then there is wheel size, gearing etc…
I have the same 48v 2000w motor with a 20ah battery on my custom mini moped styled like the honda motocompo. I get more range that you though so maybe its my gearing.
I hope they address the issues pointed out in the Challenger 2. Also I’d like to see a second 1000w geared hub motor in the front with an extra 30Ah fitted into the crevices in the frame. 15Ah in each crevice gives one 60Ah, and it would be an extra bonus if the Volts were higher, but not a deal breaker.
I really like it but I need it must run up to 50 miles per hour and range up to at least 300 miles per charge. And charging time must be no longer than 2-3 hours.
300 miles per charge🤣🤣🤣 even a zero motorcycle only gets 200 and those are $15k. If I were you I'd start rubbing lamps because you gonna need a genie 😂
The biggest problem I see is that you won't be able to use bike trails or even bike lanes. It's practical in so many ways; who needs quick-release hubs when it makes your wheels easy to steal? The front and rear suspension look like they would make for a comfy ride.
You make some good points... I'd be tempted to put high security nuts on the axles! Personally I don't care about bike trails or riding gutters. I'd pump it up to 40mph with a controller change, tag it as a moped and ride it in city streets. I'd have to extend the frame for a longer seat and saddle bags at least.
I use this bike on all the trails, in the bike lane, and in the car lane when the speed limit is 35mph or less. The only time I got stopped by law enforcement was when an leo stopped me to ask how much it cost and where he could get one.😂 As long as you obey traffic laws and regulations, use your signals, wear a helmet, have mirrors and lights, etc then your fine. Dont use the throttle on trails and don't go fast. It's when people get stupid they get in trouble.
Immediate takeaway: frame is too heavy and battery is not removable. Top speed is 33mph which is about the speed of a super 73. Suspension bottoms way out.
Super73RX is $3700... 750W Bee-Challenger is $1799 ie, Less than half the price and carries 75 pounds more load! Get a ground floor apartment and park it in your living room
@@marktasico most states that I know of require it to be less than 32 mph. Anything more they consider as a full blown motorcycle. I know some people who upgrade their motors to allow them to go up to 60mph but I believe they got it approved and just have it licensed as an electric vehicle now. So basicly if you don’t want to get into trouble, the top speeds will be the tier 3 bikes which still isn’t that bad tbf
Lifetime biker here. I'd get the $1799 - 750W. Upgrade the controller for a $150, tag it as a moped and ride it on city streets... Y'all can have the 20mph bike paths.
the thing about upsetting karens on my ebike is that I just don't stop or aknowledge them at all, its the only way to deal with them really, just don't give their temper tantrums any validity.
Looks like a nice bike you could mod to make better, my only issue is that if they are lying about the front forks you have to ask what else are they lying about and it makes me think about the battery as that is the most obvious other area to lie about
@@johnw65 What are you talking about " heavier forks obtained but add weigh" not only is that incorrect about the weight aspect but also if it is being sold as lets say 120mm travel and you are only getting at best 40mm then only a fool does not question that or better yet thinks " oh well i will just buy new ones, as for weight no longer travel does not mean more weight at all. As for range a lot of reputable Ebike manufacturers do not lie about the range if you think otherwise you probably do not have that much experience, what these company's do however do is advertise the bike as being high performance 30mph + and then say it has a 40 mile range with an asterisk and when you go to the small print it will state something like range testing carried out at 20mph with a rider weight of and on a flat level surface, and so this is done by reputable company and its a standard used by the car and motorbike industry, disreputable company's will just make up a range because they know their batteries are low quality china cells and so do not bother range testing it.
@@EQINOX187 Thanks for your explanation, I've seen lotsa ridiculous range claims from Sondors on down that are laughable... I rode an Ace '90' hi-performance ultralight whose forks were 3 times the wt and travel of the Challenger forks... Looks to me, Challenger cuts corners to hold down expense. But opens the door to hi performance mods. I try to look at the positive side instead of running everything down.
Wow, "2 or 3 times heavier"? 106/2 = 53 lbs. Name a full suspension, 1000W30AH bike anywhere weighing 53 lbs or less! Rest of review seemed as critical as possible, so thanks for your opinions. Yes, fenders look flimsy. Seat looks hard. Headlight bolts too long. Battery not removable. Maybe this bike is intended for people with garages? I'd like to see a review on the ANIIOKI AQ177 60AH Stepthru E-Bike w/full suspension, It's $1999 on Amazon and weighs 112 lbs...
That is a good looking bike but I would like to know what it's like to ride it unassisted! I love my E-bike but I once rode until I depleted the battery and had to push the 80# beast 4.5 miles because without battery power it's virtually unrideable! Mine has similar gearing as this one!......Oh! And once I got home I had to carry it up the stairs to my apartment! (Again 80lbs after pushing it 4.5 miles!)🙄😆
I have this bike and without assist it is possible to pedal it. You're only going to go about 2mph because this thing weighs 108lb but it can be done😂 The few times I ran the battery out I just got off and walked it home, seemed like less work 😅
I own a MadMod Scrambler. I like this bike, but failing to have a banana seat is a big deal. With a long seat, I can bring my kid to school before going to work. With this bike, well, I'd just pass, as it's not functional enough. I can give my kid a ride on my MadMod Scrambler.
Looks pretty dope. But it's ridiculous not to have a 52V battery at this point, and it seems to have shit components. They need to try again, and quit skimping. If this appeals to you, get an Ariel RIder X-Class or Grizzly, or a Spark Bandit -- which are also heavy, sturdy, moped-y e-bikes, but way less chintzy.
The frame looks cool, but you'd probably have a helluva time getting a U-lock around it. Chain locks only. They're currently selling it with a free cargo bag, but I don't see where you'd put it? There's no rack... Not being able to remove the battery and bring it in to a climate-controlled environment is an immediate "No."
Guarantee full throttle riding will only get maybe 20 miles. I have a ride up E- bike with a1400 amp hour battery And at 30 miles an hour I can only get 18 miles out of the bike. It weighs 70 pounds also. So I highly doubt you’re going to get 40 miles. They’re claiming 60 to 90. If you paddle at downhill and never hit the throttle you might be able to get 60 miles, L O L
Yes, it’s last year’s model. 14ah battery step through frame design. It will do 32 miles an hour. But the battery won’t get over 20 miles adjust throttle. All these eBay companies, skateboard and EU seas, all pump up their numbers to make them look the latest and greatest. That E bike you test it also says their oil front shocks, sound like just basic spring loaded. Is there dampening controls on the front forks?
I wouldn't buy any ebike that I can't take the battery off... especially if I don't have a garage. Heat and cold greatly effect lithium batteries. They sacrificed look for functionality.
Honestly I’ll keep my Aventon. My looks like a bike and definitely doesn’t pretend to look like a motorcycle. It’s plenty fast, performs perfectly, and looks beautiful. Don’t care for these pretend motorcycles
Hey, this is the guy who bought the bike from you 👋😁. I'm at 400 miles and have some updates lol. All 400 miles are on Denver city streets and trails.
39 miles- realized the grating under the headlight makes it worthless. The grate distorts the light and casts the pattern onto the road. Bought an 8000 lumen bar light and disconnected the stock light so I can still use the back light at night without seeing the grate pattern lol
67 miles- added tannus armor and slime after my 3rd flat, the tubes are really really thin.
131 miles- the front mud guard fell off.
188 miles- rear brakes failed. Checked pads and realized they weren't fully seated over the disk and had worn a groove until they couldn't connect. Got new pads and seated properly.
247 miles- rear mud guard fell off
315 miles- stitching on grips started coming out
346 miles- front brakes failed. Disk bent. Replaced disk.
I have done range tests and it gets 30 miles on throttle only, not 40. If you keep it on pas 2 which limits it to 20mph and don't touch the throttle it gets 65 miles range though.
Other than that it's been a great ride. It's too cold for me to ride now so I took the battery and back wheel/motor off and brought them inside and the rest of it is on a hook in the garage lol. Will definitely remain in the line up next season though.
Wow. I have over 300 miles on my diy non-motorcycle ebike and haven't had any issues.
Being a lifetime motorcyclist, the Challenger naturally caught my eye. With adequate brake and tire upgrades, do you think this would be a suitable bike to mod up to 8000W 72V 60mph with?
I’ve got 500 miles on mine since February and haven’t done anything to it. No issues other than I’m going to bleed the brakes tomorrow.
@@charlesweeks5707 Good to know Charles, With your experience, Do you think the Challenger is solid enough for 50mph use with upgrades to tires, brakes, motor and battery?
I don't think this is blurring the line on anything. The first motorcycles were just bicycles with engines put on them.
Great point! Then it’s not the first time this line has been blurred!
Why isn't there a bicycle with a small gas motor for sale
@@freshlycharged Yes, Good point! I got a 750/1100W folder for that reason, It's fast but doesn't look like a motorcycle. Karens and Cops can spoil a nice day... The ANIIOKI AQ 177 60AH Step-thru Electric Bike might be ideal for a long range, e-motorcycle in disguise
@@justinbogart278 50$ for used mtb, 100$ for engine kit... But it's a cobbled together kit.
Great video, editing, info, pace.
Great video guys - informative,honest,no nonsense.
I got this bike the all black version which I modded it to a 72v 5000w with a 150a controller and it's a beast
That sounds like an awesome upgrade. What sort of speed, and torque are we talking with a set up like that?
72v sounds like what this bike really needs.
Turn your quick release levers facing up always. Down is a good way to hit an object and loose your wheel
You guys do real informative reviews, thanks!
The Philodo H8 has two 1000 watt motors and two batteries, one for the front and back wheels, top speed of 35 MPH and PAS range of 62 miles, 40 without PAS, with fat stubbies.
I ordered two of them for me and my wife to ride the beach here in NC.
My home built, 1989 Diamond Back db has 48v 20a 1500w will cruise over 30mph for 25m, modified the front wheel to stop the wobble...
Yours is a great looking bike. To bad you can't modify anything.
My favorite features on this e-bike are the horn and turn signals. Why are our bicycles not made to be more compatible with street environments? Our bicycles are still basically children's toys, from a traffic safety perspective.
Seems the whole premise is to keep ebikes below "DOT" requirements...
@@johnw65 - I just saw a new design of rear light that includes an accelerometer so it is EXTRA BRIGHT when you slow down. In other words, it's a BRAKE LIGHT. There is really no excuse not to make it easy to make your bicycle more compatible with the cars with which you share the road.
@@pacificostudios That's great! I used to average 10,000 miles/year on my motorcycles but I've slowed down in my golden years. Safety should be the #1 priority.
Great Review 💥 Bee Challenger 750W now $1999 and 1000W is $2499 and FREE BONUS TRAILER ! ! !
I wish it had a bench seat and a rear rack like my Juiced Scorpion, the lack of a rack is really what keeps me from changing to another more motorcycle looking ebike.
Dang, I was expecting more than a 48v and 1000w on dat thing
All show… not as much go. I’m sure you’d be able to mod it into something crazy tho!😅
Hiya Inja, I think they're keeping the price down. Only $1799 right now.... Pop a 4kw motor on it, build a 72V battery into that 'tank', add a decent controller and be smoking hot! And at a fraction the cost of your Honda build or even the Ducati!
That's really cool but I feel like a shunt mod or even a new 2kw hub motor and controller would make this thing a lot better.... Definitely look for better forks, maybe street tires and a good alarm system built into the frame if it's going to be treated like a motorcycle.
The 750W version is the only street legal one in most states. Max legal speed is 28mpg, so the 750W is the one if you don't want to get hassled about it being outside of the legal specs. A 2000W motor would not be legal on trails and on streets without registering the vehicle. I prefer a version that is legal on roads and trails, without needing a license, registration, and insurance. But yes, a 2000W motor would really be badass.
I wonder if the battery gets hot on sunny/hot days. Is there ventilation? You can't remove the battery to charge it at an office or in your home. It's also not good to leave the battery in cold weather. So if you are in an area where winters are very cold, you'd have to move the whole ebike inside rather than park it in your garage, or risk damaging the battery.
that headlight is a $20 headlight from aliexpress. I bought the same one for my motorcycle. the shocks are $40 bucks on aliexpress.
love the honesty
One of the first things I thought upon seeing the bike was the Karen freaking out on a trail angle.
With moving to illinois, I want this for travel
Bee-Challenger is $1999 for 750W48V30AH, With A frame capable of big loads and hiway speeds! This is best bike for a DIY e-motorcycle. I'd get the 750, swap it for a 5KW motor, go 72V, tag it and ride it on the interstates!
and I'd make the battery removable... The cold will have a feild day on the motor.
@@donvee2000 🤔 That's interesting, thanks. So, unlike lead/acid car batteries, ebike batteries have to be kept warm? Is the same true for batteries in electric cars?
Where can I buy it
Thanks i was considering this bike for $2,000 but now I don't think so. Any suggestions? I need 3 bikes for our family. I have two already, a EUY S4 26ah, and Ridstar 21ah. What should be a third? The EUY was $1450 delivered and Ridstar $1,050. Any suggestions for my third bike? Needs to have same capabilities as other two, and is more for playing around on slightly hilly gravel roads and our level fields. Thanks!
Mine came with no Fenders but it looks cooler without . Just posted speed test
Hi guys, in Spain (and other Eu countries) the power limit of an electric scooter is 1000w (nominal power), so, could you please make a video with all the E-scooters that match that power (like the new Apollo City Pro 2022, or the WideWheel Pro). Thanks very much guys!
Get a 1000W 36V motor and use a 52V battery, being careful where you use higher speeds...
Esta "bici" me recuerda a una Mobylette o hasta a un Vespino
No lo entiendo de que cualquier cosa que sea electrica y tenga pedales, da igual que pueda llegar a los 100, pues lo consideren una bici mientras que cualquier cosa que no sea una chapuza de bici moto y tenga pedales siempre se haya considerado como una moto de toda la vida
Do cops actually check? I'm sure they don't open up your controller and prod with a multimeter...
MOTORCYCLE STYLE TANKS are on a lot of ebikes already. like Super 73 S and R series, G-Force ZM, and many others...
I don't think the travel of the fork is measured like you did it. Is it?
I see what you mean though with it bottoming out.
E cars- we're not really ready yet; E bikes- hell yes !
Good job on your review! Thanks.
When are you guys gonne get the WEPED DARKKNIGHT scooter
I would love to review it.
What full-face helmet are you using?
It has pedals to make it meet the legal parameters, so comparing it to an electric bike meant to be also a pedal bike is like comparing apples to oranges. It is meant to be a legal electric moped, period, period.
Perfect Review!!! I’m looking for something as a gift. You think this bike will be good for heavy riders??
how do you turn on the light
Awesome flamingo shirt 👍
Nice looking bike. However, ...
1. Seat comfort and height adjustment is important to me (learned that from owning two e-bikes). I've had to purchase aftermarket parts and seat for both.
2. No space for a rear rack is kind of a deal killer for me. For long rides, you want most of your stuff on a rack instead of on your back.
3. They should have made the 'tank' (battery) removable, that's like e-bike 101 for selling points. One of my e-bikes weigh's 90lb. with the battery (thank goodness I don't have to store it where stairs are). As stated in the video this is a major negative selling point for apartment dwellers.
4. Brakes, sound like they should have used the Tektro brand to start out with like other e-bike dealers use.
90% of Americans don't live in Apartments... The brakes lock up with a 215 pound rider. The off brands keep down the price. 4 screws gets the battery off. if you really want to leave this outside in an apartment parking lot...
@@johnw65 Dude, have you've been to NYC? They have a healthy, thriving e-Bike community and nothing but apartments. Obviously, you did not consider dense populated areas like cities. With most e-Bikes, you get what you pay for. I spent months researching each bike I purchased along with others. My advice is don't go cheap...try and save up. Both my e-Bikes accommodate 300+ lb., and my brakes don't "lock up", I'm a big guy. Both of my batteries are removable (which is great if you need to swap). Also, you cannot start my bike up without using the key in a separate start switch. I keep two different locks on both bikes, plus have a motion alarm on them, as well as Apple Air tags. Nothing is 100%, but staying vigilant and always consider the risk when locking it up somewhere for an hour or so goes a long way in prevention. Anyway, thanks for responding and have a bless day!
👍
@@MrPrincepop What I meant was, in another review, a 225 lb guy was able to skid to a stop from top speed with these brakes. I have a 10 acre farm, 2 car garage, 1200 sq ft shop and a barn with locking tackrooms... Love the Bee Challenger yet just bought a G-Force T42, 750w lookalike to the Lectric stepover... There's hundreds of bikes out there! Why whine that this is inconvenient if you live on the 4th floor of a Brownstone in Brooklyn? I ADMIRE ENGINEERING... Not nitpick things that don't fit my needs or lifestyle. My new T42 Folder fits in my hatchback, has a great rack for accessories. I look fwd to customizing it how I like! Not complaining because it's not built to my needs
Form over function. Looks great, no way I, as an engineer, want that battery mounted way up high; it dismisses the concept of keeping a low center of gravity. But I can afford it, so I may get one for the days when I just want to look snazzy. Nameen?
Yo, good point there. I'll look elsewhere.
Most states do not require e bikes to be registered tagged or require a drivers license and restrict speeds to 25 to 30 mph. And do not allow class 3 e bikes on the road or multiple use trails. People like this are going to force states ti increase their restrictions to at least moped standards. Where in most states they have the same requirements as motorcycles.
Does it ever get cold in Colorado?
It's been pretty cold, rainy and snowy the past week. But it's also had a lot of warm days.
About the same speed as my razor dirt bike but that range though! I’ve never tested my range but I think it will only do like 10-15 miles with a 28ah 48v battery
Depends on amperage pulled/ average speed
@@CD31337 good point. Mine is a 2kw motor and my controller pulls 60 amps. 60x48 2.8kw where if there’s is only pulling closer to the 1kw there motor is rated for I in theory would expect about half the battery life in minutes. And then there is wheel size, gearing etc…
I have the same 48v 2000w motor with a 20ah battery on my custom mini moped styled like the honda motocompo. I get more range that you though so maybe its my gearing.
@@BuildProne here is my build. I’d love to see yours! ruclips.net/video/0zWGakIY2m0/видео.html
I hope they address the issues pointed out in the Challenger 2. Also I’d like to see a second 1000w geared hub motor in the front with an extra 30Ah fitted into the crevices in the frame. 15Ah in each crevice gives one 60Ah, and it would be an extra bonus if the Volts were higher, but not a deal breaker.
Whats the toop speed again?… i think i missed that part
I hit 33 mph on it.
If it had a 3,000 watt motor & 72V battery system they would sell much more. Everyone's afraid of speed and cost
Battery Not Removable?
No
Have you guys tested the Piaggio Ciao EV kitted mopeds?
Classic moped outside with EV running gear.
Expensive at around €5000 but oh so retro.
Too Expensive... Bee Challenger is $1799.
looking awesome
please do a onewheel get review
Coming soon!
I need the flamingo shirt in the worst way
To be fair, it's far lighter than any Motorcycle. Also, this bike is a beast and I love it!
I agree 100% These bikes' frames are capable of any build... Tell Huck and Sondors to move over!
Do you need a license for one of these?
On the lower end? It is the lowest end.
Very obviously put together as a style statement.
I really like it but I need it must run up to 50 miles per hour and range up to at least 300 miles per charge. And charging time must be no longer than 2-3 hours.
I don't think that exist unless you get a Tesla or Rivian.
What you want is around $15,000... You can modify a Challenger to do what you want for about $5,000.
300 miles per charge🤣🤣🤣 even a zero motorcycle only gets 200 and those are $15k. If I were you I'd start rubbing lamps because you gonna need a genie 😂
It’s nice but it’s no juiced hyper scrambler 2 with 100+ of range I love my juiced bike!!
I just ordered a smart travel e-bike Basically a YYG i wish i would’ve seen this its so sexy i dont care how heavy i gotta garage its so cuteee
I would so do a range test tour if they sent me one.
Yeah, a 10mph PAS1 test and the next day, a full speed sport mode test. Why do all these companies lie about ranges?
The biggest problem I see is that you won't be able to use bike trails or even bike lanes. It's practical in so many ways; who needs quick-release hubs when it makes your wheels easy to steal? The front and rear suspension look like they would make for a comfy ride.
You make some good points... I'd be tempted to put high security nuts on the axles! Personally I don't care about bike trails or riding gutters. I'd pump it up to 40mph with a controller change, tag it as a moped and ride it in city streets. I'd have to extend the frame for a longer seat and saddle bags at least.
I use this bike on all the trails, in the bike lane, and in the car lane when the speed limit is 35mph or less. The only time I got stopped by law enforcement was when an leo stopped me to ask how much it cost and where he could get one.😂 As long as you obey traffic laws and regulations, use your signals, wear a helmet, have mirrors and lights, etc then your fine. Dont use the throttle on trails and don't go fast. It's when people get stupid they get in trouble.
@@kappa1427 Our city ordinances limit trails to class 2. So, they could write citations if Karens scream loud enough...
@JimmyChang..is that a Demon Podium full face you're wearing? Why did you leave the round Large "L" size sticker on? 🤣
Ghost pedaling than ??
Immediate takeaway: frame is too heavy and battery is not removable. Top speed is 33mph which is about the speed of a super 73. Suspension bottoms way out.
Super73RX is $3700... 750W Bee-Challenger is $1799 ie, Less than half the price and carries 75 pounds more load! Get a ground floor apartment and park it in your living room
@@johnw65 or buy a laotie ti30 60v scooter off of banggood for $1,599
I really wish they would stop making ebikes look like motorcycles your gonna get pulled over alot more for no reason
My thoughts exactly. I really want a high speed, high battery capacity sleeper bike.
just don't stop.
go walkways and opposite direction in and out.
I agree it's going to end up with more regulations bc of this
@@marktasico most states that I know of require it to be less than 32 mph. Anything more they consider as a full blown motorcycle.
I know some people who upgrade their motors to allow them to go up to 60mph but I believe they got it approved and just have it licensed as an electric vehicle now.
So basicly if you don’t want to get into trouble, the top speeds will be the tier 3 bikes which still isn’t that bad tbf
Lifetime biker here. I'd get the $1799 - 750W. Upgrade the controller for a $150, tag it as a moped and ride it on city streets... Y'all can have the 20mph bike paths.
the thing about upsetting karens on my ebike is that I just don't stop or aknowledge them at all, its the only way to deal with them really, just don't give their temper tantrums any validity.
Nice bike.
Looks like a nice bike you could mod to make better, my only issue is that if they are lying about the front forks you have to ask what else are they lying about and it makes me think about the battery as that is the most obvious other area to lie about
Heavier forks are easily obtained but add weight... ALL EBIKES LIE about their ranges. Show me one that tells the truth!
@@johnw65 What are you talking about " heavier forks obtained but add weigh" not only is that incorrect about the weight aspect but also if it is being sold as lets say 120mm travel and you are only getting at best 40mm then only a fool does not question that or better yet thinks " oh well i will just buy new ones, as for weight no longer travel does not mean more weight at all. As for range a lot of reputable Ebike manufacturers do not lie about the range if you think otherwise you probably do not have that much experience, what these company's do however do is advertise the bike as being high performance 30mph + and then say it has a 40 mile range with an asterisk and when you go to the small print it will state something like range testing carried out at 20mph with a rider weight of and on a flat level surface, and so this is done by reputable company and its a standard used by the car and motorbike industry, disreputable company's will just make up a range because they know their batteries are low quality china cells and so do not bother range testing it.
@@EQINOX187 Thanks for your explanation, I've seen lotsa ridiculous range claims from Sondors on down that are laughable... I rode an Ace '90' hi-performance ultralight whose forks were 3 times the wt and travel of the Challenger forks... Looks to me, Challenger cuts corners to hold down expense. But opens the door to hi performance mods. I try to look at the positive side instead of running everything down.
I never like big balloon tires on an ebike.
You should mention anything above 750w is legally a motor vehicle not a bike.
Wow, "2 or 3 times heavier"? 106/2 = 53 lbs. Name a full suspension, 1000W30AH bike anywhere weighing 53 lbs or less!
Rest of review seemed as critical as possible, so thanks for your opinions. Yes, fenders look flimsy. Seat looks hard. Headlight bolts too long. Battery not removable. Maybe this bike is intended for people with garages? I'd like to see a review on the ANIIOKI AQ177 60AH Stepthru E-Bike w/full suspension, It's $1999 on Amazon and weighs 112 lbs...
Bonjour Monsieur savez vous comment débridée une emoko c93 s'il vous plaît merci d'avance
That is a good looking bike but I would like to know what it's like to ride it unassisted! I love my E-bike but I once rode until I depleted the battery and had to push the 80# beast 4.5 miles because without battery power it's virtually unrideable! Mine has similar gearing as this one!......Oh! And once I got home I had to carry it up the stairs to my apartment! (Again 80lbs after pushing it 4.5 miles!)🙄😆
I have this bike and without assist it is possible to pedal it. You're only going to go about 2mph because this thing weighs 108lb but it can be done😂 The few times I ran the battery out I just got off and walked it home, seemed like less work 😅
I own a MadMod Scrambler. I like this bike, but failing to have a banana seat is a big deal. With a long seat, I can bring my kid to school before going to work. With this bike, well, I'd just pass, as it's not functional enough. I can give my kid a ride on my MadMod Scrambler.
"Electric ride-able device." lol
⚡⚡⚡
Get your motor runnin...Head out on the highway...Lookin for adventure....
Looks pretty dope. But it's ridiculous not to have a 52V battery at this point, and it seems to have shit components.
They need to try again, and quit skimping.
If this appeals to you, get an Ariel RIder X-Class or Grizzly, or a Spark Bandit -- which are also heavy, sturdy, moped-y e-bikes, but way less chintzy.
Not even at the time of making was that the biggest battery on a ebike
I bought a dual 1Kw Philodo H8 that does 35mph and cost half the price...
Shoot, I thought maybe someone responded by making an electronic/gas bicycle. Oh well.
. Large battery = More cells in parallel = more chance of battery go boom.
Its Clearly a larger version of Sonder e bike
Why does it have pedals, it is an electric motorcycle?
Anyone who sees this already guessing this is a motorcycle vroom vroom
Under UK law it is a motorcycle, it goes faster than 28mph.
A "Karen"? Great battery capacity. Wish it had 2000W.
It’s not a bicycle. It is a motorcycle. If you put pedals on either side of a dump truck, it doesn’t make it a bicycle.
No, pedals on a dump truck make it a quadcycle!
You guys need to ride an ONYX.
It’s on the list!
This is not jimmy chan channel
400lb load on a 100lb bike with only a 1000w motor. I bet it moves slowly at weight capacity.
Illegal in Australia, asking for trouble if the cops can actually catch u
The frame looks cool, but you'd probably have a helluva time getting a U-lock around it. Chain locks only.
They're currently selling it with a free cargo bag, but I don't see where you'd put it? There's no rack...
Not being able to remove the battery and bring it in to a climate-controlled environment is an immediate "No."
nonremovable battery on any ebike is a instant pass. batteries need to be in climate controlled space for longevity
Guarantee full throttle riding will only get maybe 20 miles. I have a ride up E- bike with a1400 amp hour battery And at 30 miles an hour I can only get 18 miles out of the bike. It weighs 70 pounds also. So I highly doubt you’re going to get 40 miles. They’re claiming 60 to 90. If you paddle at downhill and never hit the throttle you might be able to get 60 miles, L O L
What bike do you have? It's from Ride1up? How much do you weigh?
Yes , Ride
Yes, it’s last year’s model. 14ah battery step through frame design. It will do 32 miles an hour. But the battery won’t get over 20 miles adjust throttle. All these eBay companies, skateboard and EU seas, all pump up their numbers to make them look the latest and greatest. That E bike you test it also says their oil front shocks, sound like just basic spring loaded. Is there dampening controls on the front forks?
Oh yes sorry I forgot yours is a 30 amp hour battery not 14, my bad
1st! 🫡
I wouldn't buy any ebike that I can't take the battery off... especially if I don't have a garage. Heat and cold greatly effect lithium batteries. They sacrificed look for functionality.
Hi
here lies
Patent Law
1474-2022
t'was a good run
Honestly I’ll keep my Aventon. My looks like a bike and definitely doesn’t pretend to look like a motorcycle. It’s plenty fast, performs perfectly, and looks beautiful. Don’t care for these pretend motorcycles
That front fork looks like a safety liability.
pillow over that terrible "seat"
Your leg is wayyy to bent. You aren't meant to pedal, this is a motorcycle in bicycle clothing.
I would have to put a 3000 watt hub motor on the front !
go 4K in the rear, bigger controller and hit the highways!
General
You never went up hill....