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never had palkia o/dialga o before, just checking to send gift to friends and seeing one of them doing raids of Dialga O, joined using remote raid (free remote raid I don’t know from which year), finished raid and caught the dialga O with ROT. I would love to see the feature coming back as a permanent feature. I rarely do any raids from where I live.
@@XehrFelrose overhyped event in general, gained nothing but XL Candies for both Palkia and Dialga, and some shinies with special moves and backgrounds for future lucky trades
I got a 15/13/13 palkia that knows spacial rend and I just called it quits and powered that one up. I’m not about to do 100 more raids to maybe get one that has good ivs and knows the attack. I’ll end up with 1000 xl candies for it before I’m able to even get it if I ever do. This lock that niantic has on those attacks is the dumbest greediest thing they’ve ever done
This is why I prepped for this. Once I knew Spacial Rend was the must have move, I did the Palkia path when it was first available. I still didn't get the hundo but I'm only raiding these if I can guarantee the move. Did Groudon and Kyogre over the weekend . I ain't stupid
@ I also did the Palkia path back in Feb and got no usable Palkias. It was a really lucky lucky trade I got mine from. But yeah was not worth the gamble this weekend. At least Kyo/Groudon you knew what you were getting!
14-15-12 is where I stopped. Sorry but I could take 2 or 3 out of every 5 with a level 45-up 12-15-15 Rhyperior, a level 45.5 this moment Ho-Oh 14-14-14 and finally a hundo level 50 Gyarados. Now the Rhyperior is at 50 and who knows how low the Ho-Oh was but I win 3 of 5 minimum. Safe to say I don't buy into that everything needs 15 BS.
raided palkia over 70 times, got a 14/15/15, a 15/15/14, as well as a 13/15/15 all without SR, my best SR is 15/12/14, it will have to make do. Did dialga over 40 times and got a shiny 15/13/15 without the move, as well as an identical normal one. My best RoT is 15/12/12. I am gonna use both in master league and figured the signature moves will be more important than high IV's, especially SR. Thank you Niantic for locking these essential moves to make players raid even more in search of a usable one
Quite ridiculous and awful the way they made these moves random and non-TMable. I would say that if you can, try to line up some lucky trades before investing just on the off-chance you obtain a better one.
@@basillah7650 well these are my first super meta ML mons so waiting a year aint gonna happen, i’ll save the highet IV’s of course and can always build in the future, rn i want to get into ML, which this event was perfect for
Very helpful video! Subbed! I have a 15/15/14 SR Palkia I'm def going to build and BB (for fun i guess). Dialga I was super Unlucky with, I did enough raids to get to 500 XLs and not a single ROT with higher than 14 ATK. So i might just build the 15/15/14 non-ROT and just use it with Iron Head and maybe Thunder. I feel like you don't really NEED a Dragon charge move since u scare out most other dragons anyways (besides the Mirror of either form), but ROT/Draco are good Strong Neutral STAB vs everything else. Cheers
I agree with not needing RoT on Dialga. Nice to have but not as necessary as SR on Palkia. Thanks for the sub and the comment!! Hopefully some day they let us TM.
I had already built my 15-14-15 Palkia with BB caught in February and trust me I've never ever lost a game because of that bulkpoint and reached legend in ML no prob... For Dialga I now have a shiny 15-15-13hp with Roar already BB that I got form a lucky trade a couple months ago that I just maxed yesterday and gonna use it ofc. I wanted a hundo dilaga or 98 without the move to play with thunder aaand didn't get it in about 50+raids😢 But from a random trade with my alt I got another 98%14def O.Palkia, shiny this one too 😂 already maxed it as I wanted to try it with fireblast to surprise Bulu😂😂
Great analysis! I've spent too much time trying to sim the sub-par Dialgas I acquired to figure if any are worth powering up xD Over 600 Dialga XLs and the best I ended up with is 15-12-15 :[ Guess i mine as well power it up since I have enough to power up 2..
My 15/15/14 Palkia-O with Rend finally got maxed out with this event! Sadly my best Dialga-O with Roar is only 15/15/11 but at least I can still use it for adventure effect.
@XehrFelrose as someone who has done 600+ Legendary raids and never caught a hundo in those legendary raids, going from 1/216 odds to 1/64 odds is not that reassuring. But, I try my best to remember that true greatness comes from what you do with the hand you’re dealt.
I went all in on both of these guys this weekend. Ended up with a Shiny 15/15/14 Spacial Rend Palkia and maxed it! ❤ I got all the needed XL Candy to max a Dialga but I didn’t get ANY IVs worth building yet… not a single 15 attack! 😮 Will have to hunt some lucky trades and be patient. Still LOVED maxing a Kyogre (had the XL waiting), Shadow Groudon & Palkia in a single weekend.
I have 15/14/14 O-Palkia with SRend. Is it better than 15/15/13 you mentioned? Should I build it or wait or licky trades? 😢 -- Second question I have a Shundo O Dialga without RoT. And 15/15/13 with RoT Which one should I go for? Please answer. I really need this conclusion 😊 Thank you so much
I would be building the Palkia with 15/15/13, because having 15 defense means that you guarantee that there will never be a bulk point lost in any future releases or move updates. The 13 HP we can best buddy boost and mitigate. For your Dialga, I would go with your 15/15/13 with RoT. The 13 HP stat is fine and RoT will provide a good boost of consistency for it.
I JUST got a hundo Palkia today finally, on the last day of Origin raids! But apparently it was no longer possible to get Adventure Effect moves since monday. I still trust that some day we will be able to add them with Elite TM, they just want to keep those moves exclusive for a year or so. Theres no way they are actually permanently gatekeeping the best pvp pokemon behind an unreasonably impossible dice roll.
The best Dialga that I got with the move is a 15/15/11😢 so I think I’m going to build my 15/14/15 without roar of time. No luck with Palkia 😭. Very great video thank you!
I just checked pvpoke it said that my 15/13/15 palkia has no differences to the hundo. I even put in the best buddy boost. Did I do something wrong? Also do you think it is buildable? Don’t wanna spend more money on palkia lol
You should wait they have done this with other moves before this only second time they been out i am sure they will be elite tm next year do not power up a weaker one if you have a hundo or 98 without the move wait ml needs you to max them out you most likely not going to have enough xl candy to power up 2 of them.
Probably not worth it unless you are making it for raids. Unfortunately Groudon has fallen out of favor in the ML meta so for now I would wait it out and maybe get some lucky trades to try for better IVs.
Was also going to ask, and be honest because I don’t want to do it if it’s not worth the investment, but I raided Palkia so many times and my best Spacial Rend Palkia was a 15/15/12. Do you think it’s useable if I get it to best buddy status?
Definitely usable. It's not hyper-optimal, but will do the job in almost every situation. Just take note of what the 12 HP stat loses you and adjust as needed in those situations.
Hey Xehr, which Dialga would you max out: 15/13/15 or 15/15/12? I plan to BB in the future but for now I just need help deciding which one to go with. Thanks
I would figure out which one you are more comfortable with what they give up, but both look very serviceable to me for the most part. If you pick 13 def just note the breakpoints lost and be mindful to play around those matchups and same for the 12hp and what you might lose with it.
Raided all week/weekend trying to get a good IV palkia with the move or shiny to mirror trade with a lucky friend. No luck, then me and a buddy did a bunch of random trades and I got a 15/14/14 lucky with move and the background.. Im just gonna power that one up, ive given up on the hundo dream 😂
@XehrFelrose right? That's what I was thinking! This game works in very mysterious ways. Gonna do a few more special trades and pray for the hundo, if not this one's getting the power up for sure!
This Go Wild event sucked! Outside of the mighty pokemons, the wild spawns were meh. Encountered a ton of mighty pokemons but not enough safari balls to catch them all. Didn't buy the ticket. BUT...... I got a hundo Palkia with spacial rend 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Almost fainted on the spot.
You realistically could get away with best buddying it and running it, but you will lose all mirrors to opposing BB Palkia and there is a chance that 14 atk may do less damage in some matchups. I would try to line up lucky trades and hope for a better one before maxing it.
It’s probably still fine. Just note what matchups you lose because if the 12hp and try to avoid being stuck in those if you can help it. 😊 alternatively you can also try to line up some lucky trades to try and get a better one.
I have seen on occasion the sims play out completely different if you change an IV spread. My best guess is that the sims with the 14 attack are different, but I would definitely avoid building one with 14 attack if possible.
It will suffer in some other matchups having lower defense and not perform as well in the mirror. I would only build it if you have the resources to spare or are just fine with knowing you sacrifice some buolk points here and there.
Thank you for this video, very helpful! After 100 raids for dialga and Palkia. The best Palkia I got with spacial rend was 15/15/11, should I power up that one?
I feel you, I did about as many of both. Just keep in mind the 11HP stat may change some matchups and be prepared to avoid those situations. Otherwise perhaps try to line up some lucky trades and hope you get a better one.
They were the old IVs for old Dialga, but also keeping in mind other matchups from what I found it also seems to be a pretty good minimum point. 10 defense drops quite a few other bulk points where you don't want to drop that low.
I have a 14 15 15 and a 15 14 14 Palkia both with SR. I have read basically all of the comments so I already know you are going to suggest me that I should max out the 15 14 14, right? However I want to ask you other doubts because it looks like you know a lot. 1 is it true that if a hundo fights vs one that has 15 attack but D and HP lower than 15, the one that will shoot first is going to be random (even if the not hundo stats are 15 0 0)? 2 When a pokémon is Best Buddy (BB) it means it is level 51? What do I need to make a Pokémon a BB? Do I need to be level 41 (I am at 40)?
Defijitely the 15/14/14 😊 and for the other asks: 1 - yes, attack is the only stat that weighs into CAP (Charge Attack Priority) ties and the higher goes first. If both are the same it is up to basically a coin flip. Def and HP do not matter here. 2 - in order to obtain a best buddy, you have to max out its friendship level via buddy hearts while it is your active buddy. Once you max out the hearts to level 4 you get best buddy level which will boost the CP of the pokemon equal to two power ups while you have it in your active buddy slot. Hope all that helps!!
I really wish I'd tracked my Ho-Oh since I switched to my only level 50 hundo Gyarados. Given the fact he's at level 45.5 right now at 14-14-14 while my 12-15-15 Rhyperior was at level 46 at the time, level 50 today, there's a chance he was as low as level 43. I win 3 out of 5 minimum, can and do sweep and the best part is I'm not really all that good. IVs always matter slightly. Bad ones will always cost you a fast move worth of HP. Sooner you get used to it the sooner you forget it's even there and understand what's really important: the Pokémon itself.
Definitely agree with this. The 15 atk IV mostly matters for mirror matches, and I have met many trainers who play with far from optimal IV spreads and do just fine. Function (the mon) over form (the IVs) is definitely true in a lot of scenarios!
@XehrFelrose Pretty much exclusively for mirror matches since it's pretty rare for attack to tie with a different mon running different move turns. Then there's the fact that it's not always a bad thing to lose CMP, if you care enough about your safe switch. The only time it's always bad is when it's least likely.
I have 15/13/15 Dialga with roar of time. I have 2 hundos and a shundo, but none of them have roar of time. Are the 3 perfect IV Dialga without Roar of Time better?
I would say go ahead and use the shundo, 13 defense unfortunately loses you the mirrors and other things and having Roar isn’t as critical to have. We may even be able to TM some day. I had planned to max my hundo whether it had RoT or not and just use Draco or Thunder if it didn’t.
I know you said for ML always build only 15 attack mons My best Xerneas - by far - is 14 15 15 and its only loss when sim vs the hundo is to itself because of the CMP.... am I missing something and is there another reason to not build it? Also i feel using it as a Safe Switch is less important for CMP as attacks and energy wont align anyone.
If it's the best you can get and feel like you need it, if you best buddy it it should work good, and as you said on safe swap it usually doesn't batter. 15 attack is nice though to have because it doesn't force you to use the BB boost on it, when something else might benefit more if that makes sense
Generally speaking, it's probably good enough. If you can I'd try to line up some lucky trades to try for a better one, but if all else fails it will probably do the job.
Between sinnoh tour and go wild event I have 195 Palkia caught, 43 lucky trade attempts. Best one of all of that is 14/15/15. I know cardinal rule is never build a 14 attack but it loses no break points, just CMP in the mirror but BB allows you to win against non BB mirror. Obviously sub optimal but I have made it work and it’s honestly more of a testament to the horrible system niantic created that I had to settle for this 😅
Hello Xehr! I know this video is related to dialga and palkia, but I wanted to ask your opinion about my kyogres, because this weekend I did as many kyogre raids as I could, and still the best ones I got were a 14/14/15 and a 15/13/15 Do you think any of those two are worth building or should I wait more to see if I can catch a better one? I already tried to take a look at the pvpoke matrix matchups but honestly I just wanted a second opinion of an experient player like you Thanks for you help! I really enjoy your content
That 15/13/15 sounds good enough to me honestly. I haven’t done any IV diving on it yet, but my gut tells me that it’s fine. You can check by using the Matrix sim in the Battle menu on PVPoke and using the hundo as your first/reference and then putting in your IVs on the ones after that, and check for any bulk points lost and if they matter in any matchups 😊
So I have a BB 15/14/15 ROT Dialga and a 15/15/13 that I just caught during this past event. After trying to look at PvPoke myself it seemed to me that the 15/15/13 might be better. However, after watching this video I'm not so sure. May I ask you which spread you think is better?
I prefer to have more defense because it future proofs against potential bulk points being lost. 13hp is fine IMO as long as you utilize the best buddy boost. The loss to both forms of BB Dialga are narrow and is otherwise a tie/simultaneous KO, it isn’t going from a win to a loss, just a tie to a narrow loss. Hope that helps!
@ would the 14/15/14 to max out work better while I best buddy it? I wasn’t sure if the defense being full was the major bulkpoint needed over the single attack.
I would try your hand at some lucky trades but probably not building that one right away. It probably will function just fine and if the lower defense doesn’t matter you could build it and make sure you know what matchups change for your Dialga and plan around them.
Try for some lucky trades first. If all else fails and you power it up just make a note of what matchups you lose with 11 defense and try to avoid being in those situations if you can 😊
I would try to get in some lucky trade attempts. If not that then this will probably do fine in general just want to take note of the situations the 12 defense may have an impact and strategize around it 😊
Dialga needs the best buddy here with the lower defense. Palkia can manage without if it needs to. Both are great best buddy candidates and you only have to choose if you run both at once which you may not always do.
I would try to line up some lucky trades and see if you can get a decent one with 15 attack, but if all else fails as long as you best buddy it, it should work okay in most cases.
I don’t play master league that much but im confused why Roar of Time is better when I ran every shield scenarios sims against the meta Thunder wins more matchups in every shield scenario?
Essentially, it's massive STAB damage even when resisted, like Draco, and has really good closing power with shields down (which Thunder can also do but less effectively) but it also has no self-debuff like Draco does which gives it extra consistency.
Dialga falls within the minimum so I would say yes to that. Palkia I would try to honestly get in some lucky trades and see if you can get a better one.
I would say give it to both eventually, but if you run them on the same team together it depends on which one you value the boost for more. Both are good answers here!
tbh i like it with thunder and iron head more since u get a few nice mu you wouldnt win otherwise (esp primarina ho-oh togekiss) its my pref move set since my teams often struggel against kyogre toge prima and its litary the save swap i need there to get every flip i need to get line up against them
I built my 13 14 14 palkia with spacial rend despite having a 15 13 15 and 15 14 14 without rend and it has been performing amazing Even my 98% dialga doesn't have ROT is it a joke?
The 15/15/12 is the most effective one, though the 12HP can lose some situations, just keep those in mind and try to plan your game strategy to avoid being in the situations where the HP stat matters. You can also try to line up some lucky trades and try to get a better one that way.
@XehrFelrose oh believe me, I've been trading these since February. I guess I will have to be patient. Maybe something better will come up. I do have 3 palkias that are 15/14/15 naturally they don't have spacial rend :V
I win all the time w 15 attack with 13-14 for other 2 IVs. I have 0 hundo legendaries but still win all the time w subpar IVs. Its not that important. 9/10 it doesnt matter. Sims dont account for so much. You can hit legend w.o 'necessary' ivs
This is very true. The IVs end up mattering in a few scenarios out of many situations, and at the end of the day the mon itself and player skill matters more than the stats.
@XehrFelrose then if we consider that it appears in raids "always" in pair with Dialga, I much prefer to build the other one. 15-14-15, lucky, with RoT
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never had palkia o/dialga o before, just checking to send gift to friends and seeing one of them doing raids of Dialga O, joined using remote raid (free remote raid I don’t know from which year), finished raid and caught the dialga O with ROT. I would love to see the feature coming back as a permanent feature. I rarely do any raids from where I live.
@@XehrFelrose overhyped event in general, gained nothing but XL Candies for both Palkia and Dialga, and some shinies with special moves and backgrounds for future lucky trades
do you think its worth investing in a 15/15/12 origin with the move, over a 15/15/15 origin w/o the move?
@@zohaibsyed21 15-15-12 falls in the minimum just make sure at some point you best buddy it 😊
I got a 15/13/13 palkia that knows spacial rend and I just called it quits and powered that one up. I’m not about to do 100 more raids to maybe get one that has good ivs and knows the attack. I’ll end up with 1000 xl candies for it before I’m able to even get it if I ever do. This lock that niantic has on those attacks is the dumbest greediest thing they’ve ever done
Completely agree it’s just nonsense how they gate these moves. Glad you were able to secure a usable one!
This is why I prepped for this. Once I knew Spacial Rend was the must have move, I did the Palkia path when it was first available. I still didn't get the hundo but I'm only raiding these if I can guarantee the move. Did Groudon and Kyogre over the weekend . I ain't stupid
@ I also did the Palkia path back in Feb and got no usable Palkias. It was a really lucky lucky trade I got mine from. But yeah was not worth the gamble this weekend. At least Kyo/Groudon you knew what you were getting!
14-15-12 is where I stopped. Sorry but I could take 2 or 3 out of every 5 with a level 45-up 12-15-15 Rhyperior, a level 45.5 this moment Ho-Oh 14-14-14 and finally a hundo level 50 Gyarados. Now the Rhyperior is at 50 and who knows how low the Ho-Oh was but I win 3 of 5 minimum. Safe to say I don't buy into that everything needs 15 BS.
I think I’m going to do the same as you. Caught a 15/12/15 with the move & as soon as I have enough XL’s am going to go ahead & build that one.
Love this video style!
raided palkia over 70 times, got a 14/15/15, a 15/15/14, as well as a 13/15/15 all without SR, my best SR is 15/12/14, it will have to make do. Did dialga over 40 times and got a shiny 15/13/15 without the move, as well as an identical normal one. My best RoT is 15/12/12. I am gonna use both in master league and figured the signature moves will be more important than high IV's, especially SR. Thank you Niantic for locking these essential moves to make players raid even more in search of a usable one
Quite ridiculous and awful the way they made these moves random and non-TMable. I would say that if you can, try to line up some lucky trades before investing just on the off-chance you obtain a better one.
You should wait they have done this with other moves before this only second time they been out i am sure they will be elite tm next year
Yeah if you look on PVP poke the win cons based on IVs in the 90s there isn’t much of a difference
@@basillah7650 well these are my first super meta ML mons so waiting a year aint gonna happen, i’ll save the highet IV’s of course and can always build in the future, rn i want to get into ML, which this event was perfect for
@@taxationistheft7 yeah I saw that on Pvpoke, i’ll Best buddy both and see which boost plays better. Just gotta grind a million stardust rn
thanks ! Great info . More of the same please .We need a new SWAG MAN
Not sure if I can replicate his work but I will do what I can!!
I love you so much, pvp iv dive is kind of content we triple like and share ❤❤❤ you are precise as always, thanks bro
Appreciate the kind words, many thanks and I am glad you enjoy it!!
Very helpful video! Subbed! I have a 15/15/14 SR Palkia I'm def going to build and BB (for fun i guess). Dialga I was super Unlucky with, I did enough raids to get to 500 XLs and not a single ROT with higher than 14 ATK. So i might just build the 15/15/14 non-ROT and just use it with Iron Head and maybe Thunder. I feel like you don't really NEED a Dragon charge move since u scare out most other dragons anyways (besides the Mirror of either form), but ROT/Draco are good Strong Neutral STAB vs everything else. Cheers
I agree with not needing RoT on Dialga. Nice to have but not as necessary as SR on Palkia. Thanks for the sub and the comment!! Hopefully some day they let us TM.
@@XehrFelrose we can only hope and pray. 🙏🏻
Thank you for making this video I was contemplating if I should be grinding 15/15/15 or the 15/15/14 was enough
This is a great video idea! I’m one of those that got a hundo palkia without sr…
I am so sorry, it was not fair how Niantic implemented these. I hope we can TM in the future.
Same brother, same
I had already built my 15-14-15 Palkia with BB caught in February and trust me I've never ever lost a game because of that bulkpoint and reached legend in ML no prob...
For Dialga I now have a shiny 15-15-13hp with Roar already BB that I got form a lucky trade a couple months ago that I just maxed yesterday and gonna use it ofc.
I wanted a hundo dilaga or 98 without the move to play with thunder aaand didn't get it in about 50+raids😢
But from a random trade with my alt I got another 98%14def O.Palkia, shiny this one too 😂 already maxed it as I wanted to try it with fireblast to surprise Bulu😂😂
Great analysis! I've spent too much time trying to sim the sub-par Dialgas I acquired to figure if any are worth powering up xD Over 600 Dialga XLs and the best I ended up with is 15-12-15 :[ Guess i mine as well power it up since I have enough to power up 2..
It will probably do the job just fine for the most part!
Very helpful thank you!
Got the 15/15/15 Palkia without the move. You hate to see it, will likely build the 15/15/13 with Rend.
I would honestly have cried! That 15/15/13 is absolutely usable and will do well.
My 15/15/14 Palkia-O with Rend finally got maxed out with this event! Sadly my best Dialga-O with Roar is only 15/15/11 but at least I can still use it for adventure effect.
Hopefully some lucky trades provide a better Dialga! Palkia is more important to have IMO anyway so nice to have that maxed!!
@XehrFelrose as someone who has done 600+ Legendary raids and never caught a hundo in those legendary raids, going from 1/216 odds to 1/64 odds is not that reassuring. But, I try my best to remember that true greatness comes from what you do with the hand you’re dealt.
@ words to live by! Sadly Niantic is not in the business if dealing good hands 😭
Good idea 💡 I have seen this question everywhere as well lol
I went all in on both of these guys this weekend. Ended up with a Shiny 15/15/14 Spacial Rend Palkia and maxed it! ❤ I got all the needed XL Candy to max a Dialga but I didn’t get ANY IVs worth building yet… not a single 15 attack! 😮 Will have to hunt some lucky trades and be patient. Still LOVED maxing a Kyogre (had the XL waiting), Shadow Groudon & Palkia in a single weekend.
I have 15/14/14 O-Palkia with SRend.
Is it better than 15/15/13 you mentioned?
Should I build it or wait or licky trades? 😢
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Second question
I have a Shundo O Dialga without RoT.
And 15/15/13 with RoT
Which one should I go for?
Please answer. I really need this conclusion 😊
Thank you so much
I would be building the Palkia with 15/15/13, because having 15 defense means that you guarantee that there will never be a bulk point lost in any future releases or move updates. The 13 HP we can best buddy boost and mitigate.
For your Dialga, I would go with your 15/15/13 with RoT. The 13 HP stat is fine and RoT will provide a good boost of consistency for it.
I JUST got a hundo Palkia today finally, on the last day of Origin raids! But apparently it was no longer possible to get Adventure Effect moves since monday.
I still trust that some day we will be able to add them with Elite TM, they just want to keep those moves exclusive for a year or so.
Theres no way they are actually permanently gatekeeping the best pvp pokemon behind an unreasonably impossible dice roll.
They really screwed out SO many players with this gatekeeping. You are absolutely not alone hoping that they allow us to ETM some day.
My two 98s and 96% Palkia didn’t have the move. I have a 15/14/13 with Spacial Rend. Best buddied that should be fine right?
Yes
Definitely!
The best Dialga that I got with the move is a 15/15/11😢 so I think I’m going to build my 15/14/15 without roar of time. No luck with Palkia 😭. Very great video thank you!
I just checked pvpoke it said that my 15/13/15 palkia has no differences to the hundo. I even put in the best buddy boost. Did I do something wrong? Also do you think it is buildable? Don’t wanna spend more money on palkia lol
I would say it's buildable. Not sure if something was wrong or not unfortunately but IMO if you best buddy it it will be good!
You should wait they have done this with other moves before this only second time they been out i am sure they will be elite tm next year do not power up a weaker one if you have a hundo or 98 without the move wait ml needs you to max them out you most likely not going to have enough xl candy to power up 2 of them.
Okay, so I have a 14/15/15 groudon, and the next best is 15/13/12. Is 15 attack important enough to make it a priority over the 98?
problem with Groudon is having the elite TM's to train its moveset.
Probably not worth it unless you are making it for raids. Unfortunately Groudon has fallen out of favor in the ML meta so for now I would wait it out and maybe get some lucky trades to try for better IVs.
Was also going to ask, and be honest because I don’t want to do it if it’s not worth the investment, but I raided Palkia so many times and my best Spacial Rend Palkia was a 15/15/12. Do you think it’s useable if I get it to best buddy status?
Definitely usable. It's not hyper-optimal, but will do the job in almost every situation. Just take note of what the 12 HP stat loses you and adjust as needed in those situations.
I don't think I realized how lucky I got with my shiny 15/14/14 Roar of Time Dialga 😅 I'm for sure gonna max that one out!
Fantastic!!
Hey Xehr, which Dialga would you max out: 15/13/15 or 15/15/12? I plan to BB in the future but for now I just need help deciding which one to go with. Thanks
I would figure out which one you are more comfortable with what they give up, but both look very serviceable to me for the most part. If you pick 13 def just note the breakpoints lost and be mindful to play around those matchups and same for the 12hp and what you might lose with it.
gotcha. Thanks!
Raided all week/weekend trying to get a good IV palkia with the move or shiny to mirror trade with a lucky friend. No luck, then me and a buddy did a bunch of random trades and I got a 15/14/14 lucky with move and the background.. Im just gonna power that one up, ive given up on the hundo dream 😂
That one is plenty good enough and worth powering up 🔥
@XehrFelrose right? That's what I was thinking! This game works in very mysterious ways. Gonna do a few more special trades and pray for the hundo, if not this one's getting the power up for sure!
I finally got a 15/15/14 Palkia-O and a 15/14/15 Dialga-O. No move for both of them 😞
The biggest oof I can fathom is for you. Sorry to hear that!
This Go Wild event sucked! Outside of the mighty pokemons, the wild spawns were meh.
Encountered a ton of mighty pokemons but not enough safari balls to catch them all. Didn't buy the ticket.
BUT...... I got a hundo Palkia with spacial rend 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Almost fainted on the spot.
Hundo with the move is clutch!! I basically did Dialga and Gmax raids and had almost all of the might mons I found flee anyway 😂
first :D nice video x man :)
I got a 98% of Pal and Dia both 14/15/15 with the special move... no better than that. instantly build
Honestly that's fair!
Awesome video!!
My best Palkia O. with Spacial Rend is 14/15/15. Its worth to be building? Or this 14 attack could be a big problem?
You realistically could get away with best buddying it and running it, but you will lose all mirrors to opposing BB Palkia and there is a chance that 14 atk may do less damage in some matchups. I would try to line up lucky trades and hope for a better one before maxing it.
@@XehrFelrose Do you think 15 13 13 is better than 14 15 15 then? 😅
@ I would consider some lucky trades if I could and the 15/13/13 with best buddy would be my next option
I have a 15/15/12 palkia with SR. Still worth investing into it?
It’s probably still fine. Just note what matchups you lose because if the 12hp and try to avoid being stuck in those if you can help it. 😊 alternatively you can also try to line up some lucky trades to try and get a better one.
mr felrose why does pvpiv and the sims on pvpoke favor 14/15/15 attack palkia over 15/14/14?
I have seen on occasion the sims play out completely different if you change an IV spread. My best guess is that the sims with the 14 attack are different, but I would definitely avoid building one with 14 attack if possible.
My best Palkia with the move is a 15/12/15. I know it’s not good but is it ok to build it until I get a good one?
It will suffer in some other matchups having lower defense and not perform as well in the mirror. I would only build it if you have the resources to spare or are just fine with knowing you sacrifice some buolk points here and there.
Thank you for this video, very helpful! After 100 raids for dialga and Palkia. The best Palkia I got with spacial rend was 15/15/11, should I power up that one?
I feel you, I did about as many of both. Just keep in mind the 11HP stat may change some matchups and be prepared to avoid those situations. Otherwise perhaps try to line up some lucky trades and hope you get a better one.
Umm...aren't 15/14/12 the min IVs for old Dialga? A 15/10/15 Dialga-O (non-BB) ties with the BB Hundo in the mirror.
They were the old IVs for old Dialga, but also keeping in mind other matchups from what I found it also seems to be a pretty good minimum point. 10 defense drops quite a few other bulk points where you don't want to drop that low.
I have a 14 15 15 and a 15 14 14 Palkia both with SR. I have read basically all of the comments so I already know you are going to suggest me that I should max out the 15 14 14, right? However I want to ask you other doubts because it looks like you know a lot.
1 is it true that if a hundo fights vs one that has 15 attack but D and HP lower than 15, the one that will shoot first is going to be random (even if the not hundo stats are 15 0 0)?
2 When a pokémon is Best Buddy (BB) it means it is level 51? What do I need to make a Pokémon a BB? Do I need to be level 41 (I am at 40)?
Defijitely the 15/14/14 😊 and for the other asks:
1 - yes, attack is the only stat that weighs into CAP (Charge Attack Priority) ties and the higher goes first. If both are the same it is up to basically a coin flip. Def and HP do not matter here.
2 - in order to obtain a best buddy, you have to max out its friendship level via buddy hearts while it is your active buddy. Once you max out the hearts to level 4 you get best buddy level which will boost the CP of the pokemon equal to two power ups while you have it in your active buddy slot.
Hope all that helps!!
@XehrFelrose Thanks a lot bro
I really wish I'd tracked my Ho-Oh since I switched to my only level 50 hundo Gyarados. Given the fact he's at level 45.5 right now at 14-14-14 while my 12-15-15 Rhyperior was at level 46 at the time, level 50 today, there's a chance he was as low as level 43. I win 3 out of 5 minimum, can and do sweep and the best part is I'm not really all that good.
IVs always matter slightly. Bad ones will always cost you a fast move worth of HP. Sooner you get used to it the sooner you forget it's even there and understand what's really important: the Pokémon itself.
Definitely agree with this. The 15 atk IV mostly matters for mirror matches, and I have met many trainers who play with far from optimal IV spreads and do just fine. Function (the mon) over form (the IVs) is definitely true in a lot of scenarios!
@XehrFelrose Pretty much exclusively for mirror matches since it's pretty rare for attack to tie with a different mon running different move turns. Then there's the fact that it's not always a bad thing to lose CMP, if you care enough about your safe switch. The only time it's always bad is when it's least likely.
I got a 14 15 15 with move and a 15 15 15 with no move! What would you power up to 50?
If it's Dialga, we do the hundo and hope for a TM later and try to use Thudner or Draco Meteor. If it's Palkia, we stash the hundo for later and cry!
@XehrFelrose it's dialga, forgot that part ahah thank you
I got a hundo origin dialga no roar of time should i power it up
You can, it doesn’t need RoT to have play
I have 15/13/15 Dialga with roar of time. I have 2 hundos and a shundo, but none of them have roar of time. Are the 3 perfect IV Dialga without Roar of Time better?
I would say go ahead and use the shundo, 13 defense unfortunately loses you the mirrors and other things and having Roar isn’t as critical to have. We may even be able to TM some day. I had planned to max my hundo whether it had RoT or not and just use Draco or Thunder if it didn’t.
I know you said for ML always build only 15 attack mons
My best Xerneas - by far - is 14 15 15 and its only loss when sim vs the hundo is to itself because of the CMP.... am I missing something and is there another reason to not build it?
Also i feel using it as a Safe Switch is less important for CMP as attacks and energy wont align anyone.
If it's the best you can get and feel like you need it, if you best buddy it it should work good, and as you said on safe swap it usually doesn't batter. 15 attack is nice though to have because it doesn't force you to use the BB boost on it, when something else might benefit more if that makes sense
Hey i have done over 100 raids for palkia and the best iv i havw is 15 11 15 with the move would that be good enough
Generally speaking, it's probably good enough. If you can I'd try to line up some lucky trades to try for a better one, but if all else fails it will probably do the job.
Between sinnoh tour and go wild event I have 195 Palkia caught, 43 lucky trade attempts. Best one of all of that is 14/15/15. I know cardinal rule is never build a 14 attack but it loses no break points, just CMP in the mirror but BB allows you to win against non BB mirror. Obviously sub optimal but I have made it work and it’s honestly more of a testament to the horrible system niantic created that I had to settle for this 😅
Yeah just awful implementation on their end. Happy to hear you were able to make it work with 14 attack that’s fantastic!
Hello Xehr!
I know this video is related to dialga and palkia, but I wanted to ask your opinion about my kyogres, because this weekend I did as many kyogre raids as I could, and still the best ones I got were a 14/14/15 and a 15/13/15
Do you think any of those two are worth building or should I wait more to see if I can catch a better one?
I already tried to take a look at the pvpoke matrix matchups but honestly I just wanted a second opinion of an experient player like you
Thanks for you help! I really enjoy your content
That 15/13/15 sounds good enough to me honestly. I haven’t done any IV diving on it yet, but my gut tells me that it’s fine. You can check by using the Matrix sim in the Battle menu on PVPoke and using the hundo as your first/reference and then putting in your IVs on the ones after that, and check for any bulk points lost and if they matter in any matchups 😊
So I have a BB 15/14/15 ROT Dialga and a 15/15/13 that I just caught during this past event. After trying to look at PvPoke myself it seemed to me that the 15/15/13 might be better. However, after watching this video I'm not so sure. May I ask you which spread you think is better?
I prefer to have more defense because it future proofs against potential bulk points being lost. 13hp is fine IMO as long as you utilize the best buddy boost. The loss to both forms of BB Dialga are narrow and is otherwise a tie/simultaneous KO, it isn’t going from a win to a loss, just a tie to a narrow loss. Hope that helps!
@ Beautiful. I sincerely appreciate this! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@ happy to help!!
For origin palkia, I have a 13/15/15, 14/15/14 or a 15/14/13. I’m debating between the last two, would you recommend one of those over the other?
Prefer the last one having 15 attack and with best buddy will do well enough 😊
@ would the 14/15/14 to max out work better while I best buddy it? I wasn’t sure if the defense being full was the major bulkpoint needed over the single attack.
@ having 15 attack is better in general, and with best buddy it shores up most of the shortcomings that comes with the 14/13 on the other stats
@@XehrFelrose Thanks a lot, so def just go with the 15/14/13 until I can best buddy it?
@ of the options you gave yeah that’s what I would do, if you don’t have any opportunities to lucky trade for better IVs (not a need to just in case)
I have Origin Dialga (15/11/15) with Roar of time is it even worth building?
I would try your hand at some lucky trades but probably not building that one right away. It probably will function just fine and if the lower defense doesn’t matter you could build it and make sure you know what matchups change for your Dialga and plan around them.
@@XehrFelrose Okay Thanks!
I got a shiny 15-11-15 with legacy, should I power it up?
Try for some lucky trades first. If all else fails and you power it up just make a note of what matchups you lose with 11 defense and try to avoid being in those situations if you can 😊
I have 15/12/14 palkia BB, Still worth investing into it?
I would try to get in some lucky trade attempts. If not that then this will probably do fine in general just want to take note of the situations the 12 defense may have an impact and strategize around it 😊
I love my hundo dialga
I have a 15-13-15 diagla and a 15-14-14 palkia. I assume the palkia will be best to best buddy. What do you think of the diagla?
Dialga needs the best buddy here with the lower defense. Palkia can manage without if it needs to. Both are great best buddy candidates and you only have to choose if you run both at once which you may not always do.
I have an 14/15/14 palkia origin with SR. Is it worth powering up?
I would try to line up some lucky trades and see if you can get a decent one with 15 attack, but if all else fails as long as you best buddy it, it should work okay in most cases.
@@XehrFelrosethanks a ton ! I appreciate your videos man, keep shining 🔥
I got a 15/15/14 palkia but did not got SR 😢I got 15/11/15 with SR
Which is better for maxing
It needs SR so the one with it is better overall. Would try to get in some lucky trades first to see if you can snag a better one.
@XehrFelrose Is there a possibility of SR ever doing etm?
@ I hope so, but with Niantic who knows.
I don’t play master league that much but im confused why Roar of Time is better when I ran every shield scenarios sims against the meta Thunder wins more matchups in every shield scenario?
It hits so hard even in the neutral situations. Without the debuff its so nice. From my experience.
Essentially, it's massive STAB damage even when resisted, like Draco, and has really good closing power with shields down (which Thunder can also do but less effectively) but it also has no self-debuff like Draco does which gives it extra consistency.
my best palkia is a 14/14/15, and the dialga is a 15/15/12 do you think it is worth investing on these?
Dialga falls within the minimum so I would say yes to that. Palkia I would try to honestly get in some lucky trades and see if you can get a better one.
@ ok, thanks
If I have 15 15 13 o-Palk and 15 15 13 o-Dialga both w the moves, who should I give the Best Buddy to? 😅
I would say give it to both eventually, but if you run them on the same team together it depends on which one you value the boost for more. Both are good answers here!
Hundo diagla without roar of time or 15/14/15 with roar of time?
Definitely the 15/14/15, having RoT is worth the one less def
Got the hundo Origin Dialga (finally) but unfortunately no Roar of Time
Still worth maxing, imo, if you can’t get any lucky trades for more attempts.
Same!
tbh i like it with thunder and iron head more since u get a few nice mu you wouldnt win otherwise (esp primarina ho-oh togekiss) its my pref move set since my teams often struggel against kyogre toge prima and its litary the save swap i need there to get every flip i need to get line up against them
correct me if i'm wrong so 15/14/15 origin dialga is a gogo right? thanks x man :)
Pull the trigger!!
Me watching this video with my 15/15/15 Palkia-O 👁️👄👁️
I built my 13 14 14 palkia with spacial rend despite having a 15 13 15 and 15 14 14 without rend and it has been performing amazing
Even my 98% dialga doesn't have ROT is it a joke?
Niantic’s implementation of these moves is the real joke 💀 glad that you have been getting good results with the one you made that’s great!
Yeah absolutely
I am just a level 44 trainer so I do have ample amt of time to build a 2nd one with better ivs
@ no rush at all. Thankfully Master League is usually optional
I got a 15/15/12 shiny spacial rend palkia and a 14/14/14 palkia... reeeeally tempted to max that shiny one. Opinions? Also got a 13/15/15
The 15/15/12 is the most effective one, though the 12HP can lose some situations, just keep those in mind and try to plan your game strategy to avoid being in the situations where the HP stat matters. You can also try to line up some lucky trades and try to get a better one that way.
@XehrFelrose oh believe me, I've been trading these since February. I guess I will have to be patient. Maybe something better will come up. I do have 3 palkias that are 15/14/15 naturally they don't have spacial rend :V
I was lucky enough to pull 3 hundo palkias...and none of them had Spacial Rend
Big middle finger to Niantic and the way they made these moves available..
@ lol facts. I’ve never been so happy but also so disappointed at the same time
Id say my dialga is . Its a hundo with roar of time.
The best ones I got with the special moves were 15/15/11 Dialga and 14/14/15 Palkia 😕
That sucks, thanks to Niantic for making the moves have horrible accessibility
meanwhile me upgrading 13/14/14 spacial rend palkia with 150 candy and 160k stardust 😭 i could've saved it for adventure effect...
😭😭😭 massive oofs
@XehrFelrose yup, but thanks because i needed a video about this. +1 subscription to your channel
@ many thanks!! 🙏
@@XehrFelrose no problem! I have started to upload pokemon go shorts and I am inspired by larger channels like yours to improve my content
Can we not elite tm special rend?
no
Sadly no, Niantic has decided we cannot have nice things.
I win all the time w 15 attack with 13-14 for other 2 IVs. I have 0 hundo legendaries but still win all the time w subpar IVs. Its not that important. 9/10 it doesnt matter. Sims dont account for so much. You can hit legend w.o 'necessary' ivs
This is very true. The IVs end up mattering in a few scenarios out of many situations, and at the end of the day the mon itself and player skill matters more than the stats.
Shiny 15/15/14 Palkia-O, but no special rend….worth building?
Not yet, I would hold on to it in case they allow us to TM, but unfortunately without SR Palkia-O is much worse in general.
I powered up my best spacial rend palkia 15-13-14, idgaf I was not gonna do 100 more raids lol 94% is good enough
I feel this, no shame there I probably would have too!
Between 15 14 14 O-Dialga vs 15 15 13 O-Dialga, which one would you max out for the Master league?
I prefer 15 defense in order to prevent future bulk point losses against new releases.
where you got the sound with me after
losing in gbl
Which sound are we referring to?
@@XehrFelrose some crying in the background
@ LOL that was probably my kids 🤣🤣🤣
15/15/14 BB Dialga has the same stats as a perfect.
That explains the lack of differences. There's so many cases where the 1HP changes it it's hard to keep track sometimes!
Got a shundo palkia o without the move :(
My heart hurts for you, ouch 😭😭😭
I was building my normal one (100% lucky) for like 3 years as a F2P I finished yesterday and now this Dialga is out of meta XDDD
Same here 😭 Both of my Dialgas got built right after they got pushed out of the meta.
how about a 12 15 15 zygarde?
When it comes to Zygarde just having it in general is worth even if the IVs are bad. Mine is a 14-14-11 and I maxed it.
Not saying roar of time is required is a little false come on now haha
Heavily recommended 😂 but definitely not required!
So anyone here want to be lucky friend with me. ?? I got dozen dialga ROT. with bad iv
Best of luck with trading! 🙏😊
I can't stand the Palkia origin design, I have a 14 13 15, I will never build it 😅
Nothing wrong with that! I remember when I first saw the designs and I was literally saying "what the **** are these?" 🤣
@XehrFelrose then if we consider that it appears in raids "always" in pair with Dialga, I much prefer to build the other one. 15-14-15, lucky, with RoT
I wishhhhh lol