Learning How To Use Your Borax Cone and Dish - Best Solder Flux EVER When Making Your Own Jewelry
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2019
- Soldering silver and gold is one of the techniques that you really need to perfect if you want to make professional looking jewellery. One of the items to look at is flux, flux helps to protect the surface and to enable the solder to flow.
For over 30 years, Andrew has been using borax as his favourite flux. Find out why he prefers this flux to all the other types of commercial flux on the market.
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Andrew shows you many hints and tips that he has gained from his experience as a professional goldsmith.
Andrew Berry, a professional jeweller for 37 years, is the training director of www.AtTheBench.com, an award winning on line jewellery training website. 
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I love that you selflessly share your knowledge. Thanks for this.
B B I can’t find a deep dish anywhere. Can you advise me where I can order one from. Thank you, Ron
@@ronlou57 www.ottofrei.com/Ceramic-Dish-For-Borax
A mortar and pestle and laundry borax works very well too.
For some projects I also add boric acid (locally as roach & insect toxin) to help with scale.
I love these videos. I’m a model maker, but these videos are so incredibly helpful. Andrew is wonderful at explaining what he’s doing and why he’s doing it. No bull, just knowledge
Mr. Andrew is AMAZING and I have learned so much watching is videos. I am jewelry making after 47 years and loving every minute. Thank you Mr. Andrew.
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Me too in cone and dish old school here !
Thank you for the useful tutorial.
I was wondering where do get the cone borax and the plate? And after you finished your work the day, how do you store or keep the cone? Seperately or just on the plate?
Hi Andrew, I just love all of your videos - they are so helpful and full of details. Thank you for that! Now I have a question about borax flux. I have a borax cone that's quite brittle and while moving it in circles in my borax dish it looses big chunks. Now I thought of grinding the cone into fine powder, then mix it with water and keep it as prepared borax in a closed glass? Is this a good option, or am I thinking wrong?
Ciao!!! Ma si può utilizzare il borace in polvere invece del cono??? Grazieee!!!!👍
Hi Andrew. Great tutorial as always. Will the borax slurry work as well with gold? Thank you. ;)
Hi Andrew, is it normal to get a pink or copper undertone when you solder esp in gold filled? Have i melted the gold on gold filled? How to get it off?
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Hi Andrew thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I come from a long line of Navajo silversmiths and I was taught all of the old ways but have started using some of your techniques after seeing your videos. I have to say they have made things easier. Thanks again.
To satisfy my own curiosity, if you aren't opposed to sharing, what substance is traditionally used as flux?
The only thing that comes to mind would be pine rosin, but I don't envision many pine trees in the southwest.
I, myself, typically use specially treated borax as a flux for forge welding and brazing.
It's not much of a secret to blacksmiths, but I dunno about everyone else, so I'll share.
Throw enough borax in a cast iron skillet to cover the bottom, sit it in the forge until it melts, wait until it's cool & chip it out, then crush it into a powder for use.
To use it, heat up the piece to be welded/brazed & dip it in the powder.
@@kaisersose5549 sorry I just saw this comment. Lots of Piñon trees for sap in southwest. We used mostly Borax as of late Handi Flux products. Thank you for the information. Very interesting.
@@kaisersose5549 Is the crushed powder called anhydrous borax?
How does it work with argentium silver?
I currently use Handy-flux as it is simply what I stared with, and the jar that I have will probably last me a decade I think. I see your point about the borax cone being quick and simple and easy to use but at the same time my jar of handy-flux is as simple as opening the lid and dipping my brush. So my first question to you is (being that you are a professional jeweler who I’m sure has tried handy-flux or similar products), is their any advantage (or difference) in the actual soldering process using a straight borax cone and water as opposed to a product like handy-flux or is it just preference. I also know that when I initially purchased my handy-flux the salesman told me that this was a great flux for silver but if I wanted to solder gold I should get a different kind of flux for that specifically. So my second question is, is straight borax from a cone universal amongst metals for soldering (and superior), as other types of products like handy-flux are more specialized for specific metals (causing you to have to purchase more products for different processes) because logic would have me think that a product designed for a specific purpose (or metal) would be superior to a general all purpose type of a product? Thank you in advance for all your knowledge and all you do, I follow all your videos.
From what I've heard, straight borax isn't as toxic (the fumes) because it doesn't have all the additives of the other fluxes.
Borax as a flux is used quite widely, it is the flux you use while forge welding damascus pattern steel and the same stuff that you can use for silver as well. Metal specific products such as Handy flux or some other flux, have different melting/bubbling temperatures for different metals, the job to keep oxygen off the surface is universal for flux. Though yes handy flux and flux paste may contain fluorides which the more basic 'raw' borax may lack making borax relatively harmless to breathe compared to flux pastes
can I use powdered borax? as in 20 mule team borax. (there's nothing else in it)
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Very useful,thank you
You are cool , watch us how we use fire in gold
I Andrew. thank you for your great instructional videos. I can find the borax cones on amazon, but not the dish. Can you use a crucible dish instead?
Hi. We sell them. www.atthebench.store
How to make silver welding and how much copper, silver and cadmium
can you use powdered borax in a box and just mix that with water?
Something I have been wondering about - a borax flux cone like this seems awesome, but is it really just pure borax? Or is it a dried borax-based flux mixture? Because I tried soldering with pure borax powder made into a paste - did not exactly work out too well
Maybe try the cone then , perhaps . Any good jewellers supply shop , online or otherwise , will provide .There are no shortcuts on this : they make these cones for that reason . here is the link to a well known and reputable supplier - they will post to wherever you are in the world . Best wishes . www.rashbel.co.uk/borax-cone-8001770
Hi, we don't have borax cones available here where I live, so would it be alright to use the powder form to achieve the same? Is there a ratio you could suggest?
@David Chatterton thank you David 😁
I have one from OttoFrie. No matter how long I swirl it around it won't seem to make any kind of slurry at all. I wonder if maybe I should lightly sand the bottom of it a bit to get it started or something. It just seems to stay water. I have tried this for about 10 minutes or more several times. Can they sometimes be defective or old?
Sounds like you need more abrasion. Are you just polishing the bottom of the cone?
Got mine from rio grande and i got the same result as you. I think the borax in the US might be processed differently. Maybe that's why it doesn't dissolve easily. Idk. It sucks.
@@Love_justice378 Have you found a solution to this problem? I had the same issue, just could not get a slurry going, my cone of borax has been sitting unused for years and I'm thinking about trying again - I'd welcome any helpful tips you might have picked up, if you care to share. Thank you!
try using ethel alcohol (aka mentholated spirits, denatured alcohol) instead of water
@@sheri4673 u can get it started by scraping it with a knife and mixing it with water.
I have a pot of Borax powder, what would you recommend I use to turn the powde into a slurry. I have silver solder rods (50%) and it came with a little bag of borax powder but not enough I found (or I did not mix it properly) Itried to mix it in a little pot using a small teaspoon but does ot really go that well. Thanks Man, love you work
I had some powder which came with silver rods. I put some powder into a spoon, added a small drop of washing up liquid (as per the included instructions) and a drop of water. I then mixed it with a small paint brush whilst it was in the spoon. You don’t need much so the spoon held plenty. Worked like a charm!
Hello i am an indian working to be my menufuchr borax cone if you need borax cone and dish you can let me know
Is it ok for smelting this type I ordered a cone as I dont want to have to store a bag of white suspicious looking powder , joke but seriously I have cerium oxide in power and it's a pain in ass
How to make flux powder
Hi, my borax cone keeps crumbling when i go to use it. Its fairly new, any advice would b welcome. Thanks.
Keep the cone dry. Take the cone out of the dish when you are not using it.
@@Atthebench Does a Borax cone go bad? I've had one sitting unused, without the paper wrapper for several years. Is it still good or do I need to toss it and buy new? Also, in your experience, does it matter if the water is from the kitchen tap, or well water - or is it better if it is distilled? Thank you for excellent videos!
Can substitute it a powder borax and put some water?
No . Use the cone - they make them for a reason .
Hello i am an indian working to be my menufuchr borax cone if you need borax cone and dish you can let me know
Goodevening. Thank you again for your very usefull tutorual. I don't know if these borax cones are for sale in France? In France I have found (not bought) Flux for soldering 125 ml for €37,33 !!
Cookson&Clal. They say there is no toxic substances inside..??
Have you any idea what kind of stuff this might be? Sooo expensive..
Where can I buy these cones?
Thank you for your answer.
You can find them on Cooksongold, there's a french website.
Betts metal sales, Birmingham UK.
Here is a link to a well known and reputable shop in London . They will post to you , wherever you are . Best Wishes . www.rashbel.co.uk/borax-cone-8001770
Hello i am an indian working to be my menufuchr borax cone if you need borax cone and dish you can let me know
I've followed step by step but I just can't get borax to work on my silver. It just burns and goes black and won't flow. What am I doing wrong?
Borax wont burn. It goes black and glassy just at the right temperature. Heat a bit longer and the solder will flow
By using borax do you still have to use solder paste.. I really enjoy your channel
Never use solder paste unless it is on tiny joints then you don’t have to use borax
Thank you for your prompt respond.
I have always wondered why american supply shops; tend to not of heard of borax cones.
An interesting question . Here is a link for Borax cones from a well known and reputable shop in London . Best Wishes . www.rashbel.co.uk/borax-cone-8001770
Otto Frei has them.
Hi, Im confused about the different applications of BORAX (whether powder or cone) verses BORIC ACID (whether powder or granule). Are these applications correct: Boric acid powder & denatured alcohol @ 50/50 mix=good fire scale dip? Borax powder sprinkled in new crucible=good to prime crucible before use?.... as well as... Borax powder sprinkled into crucible with silver or gold=good to melt it down? What about using Boric Acid powder when melting metals? In this video, you suggest using your dried up cone slurry to sprinkle in while melting metals, so I assume it can also be used to prime a new crucible. Would I paint on wet slurry or wait till my slurry dries and sprinkle it on? And if I don't have Borax powder, is the slurry (whether wet or dried) really ok to use when melting metals? Because there's still water content in it. The torch heat will evaporate the water content obviously, but when I'm melting silver or gold, should I sprinkle the dried slurry into the crucible before the metal to evaporate that water content? Or is it ok to heat up the metal first, then sprinkle?
Yh am a bit confused, but I have done a lot of soldering with different types of flux they all do same job my guess is , it wont matter along as it makes contact with the metal and just probably want to crush some and sprinkle it on the area
@@tedmosby9409 boric acid is borax processed differently and refined
@@tedmosby9409so can you use plumbers borax to melt gold in a crucible
I am totally beginner. Sorry i have 1 question. Borax and flux is the same thing or not?
Yes, borax is flux
@@Atthebench thanks a lot.
Can I keep cold pickle in a glass or plastic jar? How do I dispose of the pickle
Yes you can keep in plastic or glass container. Disposal depends on what type of pickle you have
@@Atthebench I'm using Sparex NO 2 sodium bisfulate
@@Atthebench and I soldered some gold brass jump rings last night after soldering them I used a brass brush to try and brighten them up but they weren't as bright as I would like any advice on polishing them after I pickled them for 10 mins ?
I'm in the US and ordered from rio grande. Totally sucks. I think it might be a lesser quality. The cone doesn't deserve into a slurry. It started to break up into peices. The dish soaks up too much water. I really needed to apply a pot of pressure just to get a little bit of flux. What to do?
same here, bought mine at Rio Grande (Technique brand cone), although mine didn't break into pieces, it took a ton of pressure to make a slurry and it all dried up to solid chunks within 1 minute. you can't pick it up with a paint brush at all. slurry is either too watery or too dry and solid!!
Strange, I bought mine from Rio and it works jus fine.
Where can I buy this borax cone online I live in the USA plz help
Etsy has plenty
@@pavelpodivilov1150 I found them on Rio Grande the cone was $4.99 and borax bowl $8.99 thank you for gaining me this information
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So you basically need to mix finely ground borax with water and thats it
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