Destiny Rise of Iron: Best Subclass Setups for Wrath of the Machine
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- We're gonna take a short breather on weapons (Outbreak Prime on Thursday, Black Spindle on Monday!) to take a look at some subclasses and compositions for Wrath of the Machine. As of now, these are the setups that my team and I use for the normal mode and will be using for the hard mode.
If anything with the hard mode changes these compositions, I will update this video, if not delete it all together and just make a new one.
Energy Drain Build: • Destiny Taken King: En...
Vosik: 1:27
1 Defender, 2 Nightstalkers, rest optional. 2 Defenders as a backup is nice for if Vosik destroys a Ward.
Death Zamboni: 4:48
1 Stormcaller, rest optional. Offense is great here. Stormcallers are fantastic. Strikers with double flashbangs are awesome. Otherwise, you're open.
Aksis Phase 2: 7:10
1-2 Defenders, 1-2 Nightstalkers, rest optional. If you have more than 3 Titans, any excess can try Sunbreaker with double Melting Point melee (using Insurmountable Skullfort or Thagomizers), in addition to Dark-Drinker to really put a hurting on the boss. I think Voidwalkers are better than Stormcallers at a higher skill level because you can drop a super on the boss and switch to weapons, whereas Stormtrance is only good for captain killing. Shadowshots are great, but if you have a lot of Hunters, Celestial Gunslingers are awesome to drop 100k+ on the boss in an instant.
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Hey, Datto! Thanks for the sword video! My group had been having a lot of trouble with Aksis, but after hearing about the Dark Drinker strategy, we had no problem beating him. We beat the raid twice yesterday including doing all the monitors and are now our way to getting Outbreak Prime. Although, I was wondering, do the swords do more damage than the cannons? I seem to recall in the video you suggesting 3 cannons and 3 swords, but some people in my group were insistent that the swords were better.
Also, here's a mystery for you. What's with the disco room before Aksis? You know, the one with the light-up floor panels? I thought the set of 9 squares in the middle of where Aksis teleports to might be a clue, but we tried having people standing on the light-up panels in different arrangements, but it didn't seem to do anything. Also, it seems like it would be a cool place for a boss battle. Maybe that's going to be something in the hard mode. They add a boss in addition to the usual higher light level and spawn restrictions kind of stuff.
This is what makes this raid great, you can use almost any subclass and almost any weapon too! Swords, shotguns can be just as helpful as the usually sniper and rocket
Luke Smith exactly! I'm happy that any class is viable. no more only titans with bubbles needed for lfg. great point
Eh, now it's just 5 titans and 1 warlock
I run sunsinger + starfire protocol + touch of flame + viking funeral with a tier 5 discipline build and DPS wise, I feel like I'm doing so much damage to the raid bosses with the fusion grenades... I can't say for certain 'cause I haven't done the math but I'm sure if a team of 4 sunsinger warlocks, 1 nightstalker hunter with tether and 1 weapon of light bubble titan were put together then that would be an awesome damage output team... not saying for certain that it's the best choice.. 'cause i repeat, haven't done the math lol! I've done test play throughs though and I've gotten my fireteam to run the same set up and use the same weapons they have been for damage and I've used the fusion grenades and it seems we do more damage with the grenades than without them (without them meaning, instead of using primarily radiance to do damage, i'd use either my heavy or other weapons). But I'd love to see you nerd out about this with the numbers Datto!
Super helpful man. Love your videos! One of my favorite youtubers and definitely one of my if not my favorite destiny RUclipsr! Your videos are super helpful and I'm glad I've been here long enough to watch your channel grow.
Datto, can you do another armour + weapons tier list for all exotics in rise of iron?
he will doing youtube for next few weeks
Yes! ROI tier list!
hes already said numerous times that he will do one once he can play with everything.
jordan marco ishtar commander app has an option in settings that ranks your gear gold silver and bronze. it's awesome app for other reasons too!
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Hey Datto, if I run Viking funeral/starfire protocol and the raid launcher with 4 shots in the tube, would rapid fusion grenades and rockets be useful for an average team?
Viking Funeral with Sunbreakers on is really nice and the constant debuff from ignite helps get that extra damage when the nightstalkers use up their tethers.
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Your channel is amazing! Lots of great info. Keep it up!
This is a great video, but I am curious as to why you chose Rising Storm on the Stormcaller. It only boosts up recharge rates by a second, and that's not useful at all.
You go hands down the best most informative videos out there
Viking funeral works extremely well with tether on aksis
This guy^. This guy knows.
I wouldn't use Stormcaller, Voidwlaker is good, but yeah I prefer a Sunsinger Viking Funeral build. To anyone who hasn't tried this (...Datto), just make sure to run either Starfire Protocol or Heart of the Praxic Fire with decent Discipline, Fusion grenades are the way to go.
Zach Howard - Hell. Yes.
+ you add melting point and dark drinker w/ a weapons of light bubble you can knock off 50% of aksis' health in the first damage round
Zach Howard - in the first round? quickest I've done was in 3 pillars, could've done 2 but we didn't wanna risk messing up the final part, you know. Man, I've never used all 4 of those buffs, gotta try that tonight.
If your using voidwalker I would suggest using an energy drain build with axion bolt instead of nothing manacles/scatter grenade. Axion bolt will 1 hit dregs and all types of shanks as long as you are above 370 light which is great for crowd control, and for an exotic I change nothing manacles out for obsidian mind.
This Raid is Hunter heaven.
Ran with a six man Hunter team through WoTM which would have been detrimental in Kings Fall. It was an absolute blast tethering everything.
infinite tethers
I found 6 Nightstalkers in King's Fall was actually great all the way through, strange
+WeskersPlayhouse yeah it works, but almost everyone had this idea worked into their brain that you needed to have a Titan to kill oryx, which was so untrue. I was able to do it with 5 warlocks and 1 hunter on hard mode before the April update came out, but everyone was always like "what no Titans? Nope sorry we can't do oryx then."
nlc369 God I hated when people said we *needed* Titans for Oryx... And now that ToM rips Blessing, there's even less need lol
So do you get super energy from empowerment? I never noticed, mainly as I was a bow and saved it for last round of damage.....
Mad props for the music selection! Didn't picture you as a BTBAM fan!
Datto, i was looking at void walker build and notice that this one is not the same form the video you did when the April update came, so i was wondering which one to use?
Oh I missed these videos. Great job, as usual.
Congrats on 600k Datto! You earned it!
got a question
what's the light limit on WotM drops ?
cause i don't seem to get drops that are higher than 385 light :/
Glad to see Nighthawk getting so much attention. That helmet almost never leaves my Exotic slot.
Datto, Viking Funeral plus Sunbreaker gloves are absolutely amazing. Also, 6 warlocks can absolutely crush the raid in amazing time
I love that, "Stormcaller" Datto is one of my favorite Destiny youtubers
Why do you recommend Keen Scout on Nightstalker Hunters for the raid? It only offers an enhanced radar (which you don't need) and slightly faster movement speed. Why not Predator which allows the Tether to be set as a trap (not really that great) but also reduces your Super's cooldown (pretty fucking good). Just curious as to your recommendation.
Blood bound + courage of the pack for night stalkers works wonders while carrying the parts back to the siege engine, would highly recommend it as it just melts everything tethered. Plus the increased recovery and armour is a nice touch
Datto this is why I watch your vids, good stuff man :)
Datto, did you know that aftershock and lightning grenades can do precision damage against tank enemies? Would that be enough to make striker viable against Aksis?
Is it worth it to go with quiver and predator on asksis phase 2 for damage cycle?
Love your vids Datto... keep up the amazing work man
Datto I was curious why you would run Soul Rip over Life Steal... maybe I am missing something. thanks if you respond.. huge fan of the channel.
i would like to point out on the siege machine you can use a 2 shots and 1 mag of a high impact sniper will take out a cannon quickly. The third shot on the second cannon butters it up nicely too. use over the hill perk or the spider helmet.
Voidwalker with obsidian mind during the zamboni is so satisfying Kreygasm
Viking funeral build is so good. It works like a mini nightstalker shot. If you put on song of flame and have two warlocks using fusion grenades you can do a lot of damage.
The viking funeral buff is amazing.
A Sunsinger who uses YWH and viking funeral can keep up a constant 30% damage buff for everyone (at aksis obviously).
One warlock running sun singer + YWH = 30% damage buff that stacks with weapons and tether, who the hell doesn't want to hit over 150k with cannons?
what's ywh??
+Kai Zach young wolfs howls. thoug still dont think its that good.
iMixMaSteR1 or you could chill the hell out because one dick isn't going to convince anyone to stop playing warlocks
this guy on every comment haha
***** Melting point and tether don't stack you nob and melting point lasts 5 seconds....
what I suggested + WoL + Tether = 93% bonus damage for the whole group for almost the whole DPS phase.
What the fuck is a void walker going to do to buff the group?
what my raid team did for the zamboni encounter was 3 titans ( 1 sunbreaker and 2 defender ) 1 warlock( stormcaller ) and 2 hunters ( nightstalkers ) and it worked out really well. in the beginning when alot of adds spawned , we popped blessing and weapons on top of each other for the 4 people damaging the thing on zamboni and the stormcaller and sunbreaker taking care of adds
I personally had a great time doing fleetfooted bladedancer in the siege engine encounter. Run fast, shank everything, keep your health up. It's good stuff.
Viking funeral works good, my group usually runs with two sunsingers, I may be wrong but Viking Funeral works on top tether and weapons
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Datto, the Dragon's Breath works amazingly for the beginning of the Siege Machine. It works like a AOE grenade, holding ads back if placed right. I solo the ad duty with hammer and Dragon's quite easily, if the snipers sit on top of crate to avoid smoke screen.
What about the support of the sunsinger? Doesn't that do similar buffs to the melting point? Also if you use radiance with fusion nades they do a huge amount of damage to Aksis.
Datto.... Bro why tf are you so damn good at explaining things like your my number 1 destiny youtuber keep up the good work bud!
For Zamboni we always rock a striker for Meksis, two Stromtrance for ads, two tethers to lockdown/clear ads and a bubble titan with blessing to protect us from the skiffs after the parts are dropped.
I use a Sunsinger + Viking Funeral + Touch of Flame + Starfire Protocol. It is amazing how much damage it can do, and can be used by a capable Warlock who, for some reason, doesn't have any of the good power weapons (Outbreak Prime, Black Spindle, Gjallarhorn, Sleeper Simulant, or Dark Drinker). It's also a good overall buff for all your teammates, along with Void anchors and WoL.
Young Wolf's Howl and Viking Funeral. You can keep both 15% damage buffs up because fusion grenades proc twice. Fusions already dps more than spindle (solars with Sunbreakers do even more but cannot stack Viking Funeral 3 times while keeping the sword debuff up). You don't lose much damage from yourself and also give your team a 30% buff.
Defender + Nightstalker + Nighthawk Gunslinger + Sunbreaker + Voidwalker +Stormcaller = Complete Overkill
Hey Datto, if you do end up testing Sunsinger in a Viking Funeral build, I think you should test a Skorri build too (self-res,tlaloc,memory of skorri)
having basically a super battery for the rest of the team is extremely helpful, and tlaloc pushes out great dps.
defender/nightstalker/stormcaller/sunsinger/hunter/Titan is probably the best group for this raid overall
You undervalue Viking Funeral a lot. You should definitely test sunbreaker gauntlets using it. Damage is multiplicative with Tethers and Weapons of light, meaning you can do way more damage with it equipped
datto you never disappoint. great video
When my Clan went through the Raid sub-370 Light, Viking Furneral helped out big time; I'm pretty sure it was required for our first win. Now that we're all 385+, we haven't used it and we're taking out the final Boss in 2 or 3 damage phases.
For Vosik we always have a Nightstalker and Stormcaller in the middle. Tether the adds, and Stormtrance them for double Orbs. Other Fireteam members can use their supers freely because there are always a ton of Orbs in the middle. Myself and another Clan mate usually take this on, just switching who's Hunter/Warlock. Defender Titan can fill in if they're aggressive with Heavy kills, or Force Barrier punches to generate Orbs.
My group normally runs 2 Hunters, 2 Titans and 2 Warlocks. Personally when i'm running my warlock I run Sunsinger, double solar grenades with Viking Funeral. I try to use my 'Nades on the first 2 teleports and have the Hunters save their tether for the final teleport. Unfortunately I haven't had chance to go over any footage to see numbers, but would be interested in seeing them though. :)
Thanks for the vid Datto, can't wait for Heroic mode next week ^_^
Datto, what's that red primary weapon you have called?
KingdomKnightz outbreak prime
For the seige machine at the start a Titan bubble can be placed in front of the snipers for cannon shooting and adds can't hit them and they can still snipe
I use Songsinger build for Vosiks and Aksis as follows: Fusion grenades+ Viking Funeral+ Touch of Flame, with Starfire Protocol and max discipline. The idea is to activate the super in the DPS phase while the rest of the fireteam focuses of shooting. That way the boss burns with Viking Funeral and takes more damages during the duration of the super, adding also Weapons of Light and Shadowshot. At least it works for me, specially in the Aksis encounter.
Wait so does weapons of light affect the swords? I was always under the impression it didn't work with swords.
I do not know the full numbers but Viking funeral on Aksis helps when your hunter is not good at tether. I was outputting a decent amount of DPS, plus the self res is always helpful in the fact of if you randomly drop you can just self res and clear adds which will provide orbs for super. Also if you have the artifact that charges friendly supers while you have yours then you become a super charging machine.
Sunsinger with Viking funeral and touch of flame is amazing. Pair that with solar grenades and the exotic gloves sunbreakers, then you have a solid boss damage subclass.
You could go a step further and use fireborn (self rez) along with memory of skorri and tlaloc for ULTIMATE SYNERGY!
+Datto With Voidwalker, I personally prefer Lance for the additional damage on direct impact. This might be a bit of a push to ask for in your maybe busy timetable, but if you ever get a bit of free time a Nova Bomb damage comparison amongst the three choices (you can group up the Shatter Nova Bomb by sliding your camera angle)
shatter is best in terms of overall damage, I've tested it, its downfall is that you may not hit all three and i tend to use my nova in raids to help people with their captain if they need it, so lance is good there as it is most accurate .but overall lance does less damage than shatter and the other one (name escapes me) due to the damage the void grenade thats left behind deals out
Vortex..?
Tim Tom thats the one!
can I just ask why use lockdown on your nightstalker nades usually kill for me regardless of lockdown or not
Datto, as someone who actually plays as a Warlock for his Main ever since day 1, i think this time around Sunsinger would be the smarter choice because as a build you don't need to use your super, you can then benefit from Memory of Skorri and simple run a Viking Funeral Build for extra damage on enemies like the Captains or even the Boss and because your using this build towards the end you can just pop your super and burn the boss down with Grenades doing huge damage plus giving everyone else a huge DPS boost.
Currently doing this for strikes and its working really well, in the event we all die i have my super to revive with and save the group, in a raid if i go down that puts stress on others but if i can revive in the raid then its a good lifeline to have but not rely on. WotM encounters are short enough that a wipe early doesn't matter so self-res isn't the main selling point this time around unlike it was for Crota.
I just think, being that Anchor for the team would be a better roll for a Warlock rather then just using your super as another form of Damage to clear Groups of Enemies or Majors. I'd rather be useful 100% of the time helping the Hunters and Titans get their supers faster and have my own Damage Buff from Grenades to help on top of that.
I hope this comment paints a clearer picture then it does when i read it back, I'm not great with grammar.
TLDR, Warlocks should use Sunsinger for the Raid with Memory of Skorri and Viking Funeral Build and be the Anchor of the Team.
i don't understand why you don't use lance on nova bomb, is there any reason for that?
great job and dito for the weapon comparison. Those are very usefull vids
Like some other guardians here, I stand that viking funeral fusion grenades from a warlock are very effective against the bosses here.
Specially with teams that struggle with the DPS fases, they can up the damage greatly.
Pop a radiance (song of flame for best results) just before the shield breaks on Vosik or right at the 3rd teleport of Aksis, and begin throwing grenades nonstop, chances are you will still do decent damage, but your team will benefit from the constant debuff of the boss of 30%.
What is better, is that it stacks with Weapons of light (Illuminated) and Shadowshot (black hole)
Given the Dark drinker situation with Aksis, i think Vosik would be the best candidate to test this on.
Have you tried using 5 defenders with helm of Saint 14, Swords and Orb-Generation on the Siege Engine? It's pretty fun and it negates propably all danger.
P.s. I like your content, thank you for doing it
I like this dlc, but I feel like the raid boss isnt significant as far as story goes. Is he ever mentioned in the campaign? Is he actually a significant part of the story?
Datto can you test and see (If you haven't) if the Suncharge node for Hammer of Sol deals more damage against other roaming supers compared to just throwing the hammers? If you read this thanks...
Byf's sunsinger skorri build works really well in the raid, followed by a viking funeral burn boost during boss damage phases
I generally use cannons on Aksis, and if you activate radiance with Viking funeral and touch of flame and Starfire Protocol, then shoot a cannon shot, throw 2 fusion grenades, blow up the shot, rinse and repeat. I get some crazy damage for doing that.
on the siege engine, using bladedancer with mask of the third man/encore just lets you go beserk on all the dregs, its really fun and works veeery effectively
Is there a video for that nighthawk single damage phase? I cant seem to find it
I fucking love your music choice! Also, thanks for the tips. Pretty helpful
+Datto Viking Funeral +Solar Grenades+ Sunbreakers in conjunction with Shadowshot is ridiculous! I melted Vosik with my fireteam under 20 minutes.
What about outbreak prime on bosses? I feel like it's not as good but I'd still like to know compared to g-horn, sleeper, and now dark drinker
So I have a titan that has nothing in the void subclass but I have everything in the other two how do I level up my ward of dawn class?
If you do Weapons of Light Defender and Celestial Nighthawk with Deadeye, then would it be really powerful?
Datto I thought I would mention there is actually a sunsinger build where you use fusion grenades, the quicker ability cooldown perk, viking funeral, and heart of the praxic fire. if you combine that with the hunters shadow shut it is possible to do perfect black spindle damage if every fusion grenade makes contact. There was a reddit post on this but I can no longer find it.
Edit: an excerpt from that post my friend sent
"in radiance, further fusion grenades will explode with the buffed damage from the viking funeral stacks of the previous grenade. the result is that spamming fusion nades with max discipline is equivalent to the dps of pumping non-stop spindle shots. Except this way you can fire scorch cannon shots AND buff the rest of your team. It's a truly underrated skill"-reddit
are you going to do a video on how good the black spindle is in the raid soon?
Viking Funeral is definitely worth it. There's a video of a raid group of sunsingers using only grenades and melees, no gun shooting (scorch cannons exempt).
Could you do 6 Outbreak Primes vs. Aksis? I'd really like to see the numbers on that.
For the Gunslinger build, I think that Scavenger would be better, to make sure you have at least 1 throwing knife (2 with Grasps or Gambler's Dagger), to get more procs of Circle of Life.
totally anecdotal here but I've been using a sword and Viking funeral lock for Aksiks and have noticed that my team does significantly more damage when I span nades while they shoot. You can throw nades in between cannon shots or heavy sword attacks. I think sunsinger is very viable and am looking forward to your tests.
sunsinger should really only be used if you have a tough time staying alive, and if you do run self-res. it would be best to also run memory of skori cause you can charge you allies supers faster while u sit on yours for your res.
Can you do a video on Crota's End? I don't have Xbox live gold right now, but I want to know ahead of time what to use, so I can get my crux of Crota and finally get my Necrochasm
Viking funeral is completely worth using on vosik and aksis phase 2. I very consistently out damage my fireteam while using sunsinger. I haven't really ran any other subclass other than stormcaller on the Siege Engine, but I imagine solar grenades with sunbreakers are pretty damn good.
Quick question how much damage does a celestial nighthawk shot with deadeye on do
For Vosik, you can use a Fireborn Sunsinger to self rez even if you can't make to the room. Note: Dying to the critical siva density will prevent a self revive but if you jump into a pit BEFORE the trigger you can wait until it is clear and self revive.
Solar nades + Sunbreakers + Viking Fun+ touch of flame.
I have noticed when stacked w/ Tether and Weapons/light the bosses do go down slightly faster. Plus having a DOT between reloads cam keep the DPS going....
Datto, my raid team and I can kill the boss in 3 damage cycles with 1 nightstalker, 1 sunsunger, and 1 defender. throw in a celestial gunslinger or voidwalker if ya want just for boss damaging supers and you blast through the final Aksis phase very quickly, though those two aren't needed, and with those 3 as damage buff users that all stack together, everyone else can usually be whatever they feel most comfortable with.
I feel like you're neglecting the usefulness of ad control in some parts. stormcaller, bladedancer, and sunbreaker are all great for ad control at vosik. same goes for siege engine and aksis, but I think you covered that.
on a completely different topic, my usual raid team usually has a lot of Titans (4 people main Titan). 2 bubbles are great for vosik, since it is likely that he will destroy one bubble, so a second is useful for a backup. the other 2 Titans usually run sunbreaker for ad control and captain killing. at the siege engine, we usually have 2-3 strikers, a defender, and sometimes a sunbreaker. one Titan puts up a bubble in the path of the people running parts for blessings when there's a lot of ads. 2 strikers can slam when there are a lot of ads in one area, and one Titan stays on the engine to kill meksis with either hammers or a fist. at aksis, we usually only have 1 bubble for weapons, and the other 3 use sunbreaker because it absolutely RAPES the cannon captains.
hope this helps
Just a side note. Striker Titans are great on both of Aksis phases for the killing of captains (if you have that problem)
what about sunsingers using Viking funeral on aksis part 2? Will that have a similar effect like tethering
Sunsinger + Sunbreakers + Viking Funeral + The Memory of Skorri + Tlaloc = win.
Yo all my sunbreakers out there, use suncharge to basically launch your teamates carrying the pick up things that make you super slow
It'll launch your ally across a platform getting there faster
Slife 2002 thanks for the tip 😉
Slife 2002 does sunbreaker do good boss damage
I dont think it does
JahzyNinja Not that great honestly, it can definitely help your team, but it's better for groups of adds
Ogga Bob thats what i thought, i feel just a sniper or sword would be better
Hey datto, what about strike modifiers for the heroic raid?
is it worth to use outbreak prime on aksis vs darkdrinker
@Datto the damage debuff for sunsingers with Viking funeral stacks with shadowshot debuffs and melting point, and I've easily done over 1 mil damage with the grenades alone. I can't wait fir you to try it out.
Is there any particular reason Datto chose Vortex over Lance for the Voidwalker?
I'd say the reason was he made a mistake.
3:42 I see you listening to Red Barchetta...I love you Datto
I know this is slightly old but can anyone tell me why you would run keen scout instead of predator on your nightstalker build? decreased cool down on shadow shot seems worth
Sun singer with fusion grenade, Viking funeral, and touch of flame, is realllllly good for boss damage. I used them for aksis and my team (and there was a 352 in there) dropped aksis' health real quick. It is a very viable build
Viking funeral build works amazing, I use it on my warlock without rez and go song of flame for my team