Cold Steel Recon Scout 3V is it junk?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Cold Steel Recon Scout 3V is it junk?
This is a current production of the Recon Scout in 3V made in Taiwan and after GSM bought out Cold Steel. I’m extremely impressed with this knife! Let me me know what you think in the comments!
My 30 yo Carbon V Trailmaster still gets alot of use as does my Scout, SRK, OSS and Recon Tanto, all in Carbon V. Carried the SRK for 12 years as an Army sniper. Sorry about your dog. My dogs are the most important "people" in my life. My German Shepard just turned 2 and is scary smart. Her name is Uzi.
Excellent!.. my sincerest to you. German Shepherds are 'poeplle'...the smartest and most loyal.
German Shepards are the best friends and smarter than 80% people no doubt about it.
"Dogs are the best ...people !" Boom Tish! Aussie band The Fauves. Their lyrics ...
The Mtech version are very good also and I have one in O1 Tool Steel . 😊
@@paulsmith8855 Mtech doesn't use O1 steel my friend. Sorry
Ok so fast forward 7 months from this post, I bought this knife recently and I gotta tell ya I'm impressed with the handle, I didn't think it would be so comfortable in hand, it came Super Sharp. Beast of a blade, the handle guard is fine, although I wish the back of it was non existent, but really not a big deal. Love the swedge on it too.
It’s definitely a heck of a knife! No real complaints for me either.
Everything is junk to someone you can't please everyone. I keep wondering who are all these idiots that bring $200 and $400 knives out into the woods to beat the crap out of them? Many knives under $100 will do everything you need them to do adequately.
I agree. How anyone could think these knives are junk just because of where they are made is silly. Although, quality control and poor heat treatment will make a $200-400 knife junk. There are tons of knives in the $75-150 range that are stellar performers.
@@gravytrainoutdoors Don't get me wrong I have a couple of very expensive ones myself but they don't come into the woods with me during hunting season.
This is my philosophy as well. Unfortunately, the knife enthusiasts will heckle you all day long on RUclips and forums. I finally stopped paying attention to them, because they collect $500 folding knives like people who collect expensive watches. I suspect they never get used. I have the newer version of the Cold Steel Survivalist. I'd like to have a Recon Scout as well, but I'm not sure I can justify spending the money, when I have other blades that will do the job. It is a very nice knife. Aside from fine work, it looks like it can do anything.
@@DDDYLN a lot of people definitely get lost in the search for the newest super steel offering or design but at the end of the day the return on investment with some of these very expensive knives or simply not justifiable. I good example is my Cold Steel 4-Max Scout vs my 4-Max. The 4-Max is 400% more expensive than the Scout. The Scout is a extremely capable knife that is at least 80% of what the 4-Max is in a lot of ways. Even though I say this, I enjoy premium offerings and do buy them. I use them all. None are safe queens.
@@gravytrainoutdoors ironically, I just bought a 4 Max Scout tonight for $63+change. The Elite is close to $400. I couldn't justify it. If I was made of money, I'd certainly buy the Elite. I guess the original 4 Max, turned into the 4 Max Elite. You can still find the original 4 Max a few places, and it's even more expensive than the Elite.
I'm not hung up on 3V, I'd buy this knife if it was in AUS8A, AUS10A, 5160, 5200, San Mai VG10. I'm more of a fan of mid range steels anyway.
I’m not a sold on it because it’s 3V either. Lots of other great steels out there that are more cost effective and easier to sharpen
Especially lately hearing about all of the problems with the super steels coming from the factory.
Cold steel does a great job tho.
Mtech has a very good copy that some believe is very good and holds up to the
Trail Master Bowie. 😢
agree, they HT the fancy steel so high it cant bend at all. not good in these kind of knives
Very well done video on these knives. Sorry to hear about having to put your dog down, a very emotional time. Thank you.
That is a good looking knife. I really like Cold Steel knives. Handsome knives.
Sorry to hear about your dog. It's tough to put down a pet.
Thank you. She was 13 so at least she had a good long life. Our other dogs are certainly having a hard time of it.
@@gravytrainoutdoorsmy condolences to you brother. We’ve had to put down a few of our pets over the years and it’s always heartbreaking.
Sry, I was referring to the 3v trail master, they look so similar, I got confused and spaced it.
Great collection of blades! Im thinking of grabbing a Recon Scout. Lowest price Ive seen lately is $199, which is not terrible.
@@BrewCityRider thank you! No that’s not a bad price at all. They are a great knife. I think you’ll like it.
They’re still made in the same factory. I have two 3V Trailmasters they’re awesome.
You’re talking about the San mai 3 trail master right? I thought there were but wasn’t 100% sure. They are a beast of a knife. If I had the money to spare I would buy a 3V trail master as well.
Every cold steel I've bought has Been great.
That has been my experience as well!
Had a modern Bowie but traded it away. How thick is the tip on the Recon Scout? Sorry to hear about your dog my boxer passed away a couple years ago. I still haven't gotten another dog. It was just to much to go through again. He was like my kid and best friend. Thanks 🙏
Thank you. I’m sorry to hear about your pup as well. We have 3 other dogs but it will be some time before we will be ready to add another to the family. I totally understand how you feel. The tip on the recon is substantially thick. The swedge makes it appear as though the tip is fine but it’s not. There is no way you would snap it off doing anything within reason with the knife. The knife is of much thicker stock than it really needs to be. I hope that helps answer your question.
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Modern Bowie. Fallkniven? What did you think of the $1,000 Knife man?
@adods9824 I think I gave around 6 for it. Never used it, though. I'm more of a collector than user. It was a really well-made knife, though.
@@douglasreed9237me too,and considering one. Thanks for the reply ! I think if it is really well made, if I can find an affordable one, I'll grab it ...Cheers ! :-)
Far better with a micarta handle, or G10. I did a G10 on the 3v and micarta on my O1 model. With the tangs encapsulated in the material. With guards wedged and welded to the tangs. This is my favourite knife!
That would be a heck of a knife! Down the road if the rubber breaks down enough I would do the same thing. I’m tempted to do it anyways. I’d make the handle a bit thicker near the guard similar to what the Fallkniven Modern Bowie handle is.
We’re do you get this done , you have a company ?
Hey John, what kind of tang does this knife have? I’m genuinely curios, thanks!
I wish cold steel would use a flat spine all the way to the tip like the falkniven uses on their A1
Man I appreciate the review, sorry to hear about your dog, that sucks man.
O1 and sk5 are Taiwan too. Excellent quality control
The heat treat on my other Taiwan made CS knives have been spot on as well. For example, my Taiwan made AD-10 had far better fit and finish than my US made 4-Max. They are very good!
@@gravytrainoutdoors yep. My cs trailmaster 3v is showing up Tuesday. I’ll be comparing to my o1 and sk5. Hopefully it’s on par with that they were in the past
@@peterbiltknifeguy I’m sure it will be! Let me know what you think of it when you get it.
@@gravytrainoutdoors oh I’m definitely posting a video on here. I’ll do all 3 side by side
SK-5 is Chinese
I own this knife and the Trailmaster in Cpm 3 V as well as the Japanese made Trailmaster in San Mai VG 1 steel plus the Trailmaster from Taiwan in San Mai and imo these are the finest Bowies for the money available, Fallkniven Modern Bowie is very expensive compared to the Cold Steel Trailmaster and i had the Tor Fallkniven and tho it was a fine knife it was far too expensive for me ,thank you for this great review! I just subscribed abd look forward to more🇺🇸👍
@@michaelcohen9740 I would agree! I have the modern Bowie as well. The San Mai vg-1 cold steel blades are made at the same factory in Japan as the Fallkniven modern Bowie and NL series knives. I don’t think the added price of the modern Bowie is worth it either. I do like the handle better and the lam cos steel is very good though.
@@michaelcohen9740 thank you for your comment and subscription. Life has been pretty hectic and im getting over a major foot surgery right now but plan to do a bunch of hard use videos as soon as I can.
I’ve had an SRK in SK5 that I beat for ten years. I went to the San-Mai tanto gen 1 when they had a brass hilt. I could bring myself to hard use the San-Mai so I picked up a recon scout, it broke at the hilt, Cold Steel replaced it and it too broke at the hilt. I switched to a fallkniven A1 and have beat it like no one should treat a knife, I know people don’t always think VG1 is worth having but the laminated blade has been outstanding, never chips, or rolls the edge, I don’t hone it after each trip to the bush like I had to with the recon scout. I had the cold steel knives when sheaths were canvas, that’s the time frame. My CS tanto in SK5 still has its original leather sheath and has not broke on me yet.
If cold steel made a full tang blade I might try another one but until then don’t abuse any Cold steel blade if you want to make it back home.
I haven’t heard of any issues with these. The cold steel San mai 3 in VG-1 are made in Japan by Hattori. Hattori also makes Fallkniven’s knives. I would trust the quality of any knife that comes from Hattori. Full tang is always a better option for sure. I have a few Bark River hidden tang knives that I’ve beat the snot out of so I know a properly done hidden tang knife can take a boat load of abuse and not break. In most cases the manufacturer didn’t radius the 90 degree corners where it steps down at the hilt. That sharp 90 cracks a crack point.
expecting the SK5 version, reasonable price and outdoor sharpening.
Sk5 is a fantastic steel. In many ways it is superior to 3V. The ability to be easily sharpened is one of them!
You need to weigh that knife I believe cold steels website has it listed wrong. It's probably closer to 16 or 17 ounces. Thanks 👍
That makes more sense. I was reading the specs off the website in real time as I was making the video and thought it didn’t seem right. I’m going to find my kitchen scale and weigh it!
You are 100% correct. I just weighed it and uploaded a short video. It weighs 15.2oz. Thanks for pointing that out!
the stupid gsm said 9 oz on website
The Trail Master is SanMaii is Vg1., more forgiving.
So sorry about your dog its very hard take care.
Thank you.
In the past, Cold Steel was infamous for their terrible sheaths that would dull blades. Consequently, I've had to go with after-market Kydex. Any opinion on this sheath?
Still the same old sheath they are famous for. The knife also fits perfectly in a Bark River sheath that comes with the Teddy 2 if you like a leather sheath.
I always paracord the sheath so if it gets beat up a little, the paracord can reinforce the sheath and make it more stout.
That’s a great idea!
@@gravytrainoutdoors
I’ve heard others say that the lanyard hole is only through rubber and if that eyelet gets crushed or pulled to hard by a lanyard, the handle slips eventually?
Is this true?
@@thegamejunky7223 it may be the case. I’ll have to look closer at it. It certainly doesn’t feel that way in use though.
I'm sorry for your loss, I had to put my cat down last year I'm still broken up about it
Thank you. I’m sorry for your loss as well. Our animals are certainly family and when we loose one it cuts deep.
You mean 15.4 oz.
That's at least what the box says
15.4 ounces without sheath 😊
How they prevence that the guard gonna rattle?
How is that guard secured?
I haven’t heard of anyone having issues with the guards rattling loose yet. I think it’s press fit and glued in place.
@@gravytrainoutdoors
Thanks.
The original Recon Scout was manufactured in Carbon V. I believe it was outsourced to Camillus.
I’d love to get my hands on one of those!
Already own 2 Teddy 2’s, awesome blades. Am on the fence on either getting the RS or the Tope Recon as my first 3v knife; which one would you suggest? I like the extra thickness on the RS, but the synthetic sheath amd handle are a buzzkill.
I think the Tope recon is the superior knife in many ways. The handle is more comfortable, it’s a convex grind, it chops better and more importantly it slices far better.
@@gravytrainoutdoors thanks. Would have to get the RS a better handle and better sheath anyways, which isn't easy to do where I live to begin with and makes the RS more expensive than the Tope Recon, which imo doesn't make it worth it for a Taiwan made knife, no matter how good.
@@PTSDexplosion I am not a fan of the sheath or handle either. What the RS has going for it is the fit and finish, great heat treatment and it is a good value for what you are getting. The Tope Recon is more but you get a lot more knife for the money. The micarta and handles with corby bolts are bomb proof. The leather sheath that comes with it is also very nice. It’s a Jenna Martin design and is really a premium option. I have a huge soft spot for my Teddy 2. I would really like to get another with a single quillion and a micarta handle.
@@gravytrainoutdoors Yeah, the micarta is super sturdy and definitely the best handle material for a user, along with g10 and burlap. Personally I don't see any advantage to natural materials nowadays aside from maybe looks or collection value, though micarta can definitely look quite nice, one of my Teddy 2's has antique ivory micarta, which is more gorgeous than any of their wood options in my personal opinion. If you are still interested in grabbing one of them, they are on the production schedule and should be out for preorder by the second half of 2024, so I'd say make sure you're tuned on the production schedule group and dlt/ksf newsletter. They are also not that difficult to get on the second hand market, got all my brk's from either ebay, the brk trading facebook group or local used guns/knives sites, all flawless and factory new. Good luck!
Note: There are many comments on RUclips about this knife being withdrawn from production. Can you clarify definitively whether this is true or not, as it makes no sense discussing a knife that is no longer available. Thanks.
Being a CS Trail Master owner, I can't help wondering about the Recon Scout. It seems to come from the same philosophy as the ESEE 5 - shorter but very stocky build. Now my Trail Master (the San Mai III version) is so perfectly balanced that I'm wondering how the Recon Scout would balance out? My TM is a great chopper and the sweet spot is at about 5-6 inches out from the handle. With the Recon Scout the sweet spot would have to be about the same distance from the tip as the overall shape is similar, and this means it's about only 3-4 inches from the handle. One is losing a lot of leverage there. So I'm guessing it's a matter of the one or the other. There doesn't seem to be any point for having both productively. Of course one could have other reasons for having both! ;-) For me the only reason I'd consider the Recon Scout is weight saving - it's a few ounces lighter. This lighter version would obviously compromise its chopping capability.
Interesting.
Looking forward to your reply.
Cheers mate!
They are still being made. I have the Fallkniven Modern Bowie which is very similar to the trail master. I think the recon scout could be a bit better with thinner stock thickness or just being a bit thinner behind the edge. I’ve yet to go out and thump on the knife but I certainly will be in the future!
Their production seems to be on and off with a couple year break every once in a while.
@@gravytrainoutdoorsOpinion of the MB .. ? The $1,000 factory knife
@@adods9824 I like the handle on the MB better.
The Recon Scout is 1 of the Best 7" Choppers out there in my opinion , I own both the TM and RS in 01 steel and I'll take the Recon Scout over the TM all day, I think it chops almost as good , if not better than the TM .... 👍🖖
Nice Blades ⚔️
its 15 oz, not 9 oz
Yeah I can’t remember if I weighed it in this video. It definitely isn’t 9 oz haha.
Great review buddy. Do u have a review on the srk in 3v?
Thanks! I haven’t done one on the SRK but my buddy has one in AUS-8A which he has beat on and it’s been really good. I had a master hunter which has the same handle and loved that knife. Unfortunately it was stolen and I never had a chance to make a video on it but it was real winner of a knife
Every knife made in Taiwan has the best quality all over the world.
The knife you said was a Trailmaster was instead a fallknivin Bowie.
I was taking about the Fallkniven Modern Bowie being a very similar blade as the trail master. The San Mai trail masters are made in the same factory in Japan as the Fallkniven modern bowie is.
Those are Soldiers Knives , Bowie style blade with false edge top. 😢
Mine was made in 2000, and is in black.
Do you test them in hard use activities in the field?
I do. I haven’t had a chance to thump on this one yet but I will. I’ve only done some basic cutting chores with it. It’s enough to know how it cuts/slices compared to other knives but that’s definitely not it’s forte.
I think they are getting better but no quality is not as good as California based cold steel. Warrant service is non existent, my outdoorsman sheath wasn’t even molded for that knife. It was molded for the master tango I think to save $. It cracked and I contacted them and never got a replacement.
R.I.P Doggy. 😢
Love the blade, cant stand the handle. All that being said , i want one lol
@@mattmorrison9379 I have mixed feelings on the handle. It really depends on what I’m doing with it. It’s a good knife and functional design though.
Is it made in China?
No it’s made in Taiwan. Very different than made in China.
@@gravytrainoutdoors Thanks for the correction!
John Rambo approves
Good video. Tripods are good also!
Haha yes they are. I normally have one setup but my tripod mount broke. Spent all my money on knives 🤣
@@gravytrainoutdoors between knives, guns, tools I feel the pain!
@@michaelstjohn6086 haha yup, you know it well then! My big killer lately has been fuel costs to operate my trucks and equipment.
The top being a false edge is disappointing, imo.
Made in Taiwan,by Masters 😊
Looks a lot like arthurs knife in rdr2
i see they have done a bad job on the HT on these ones. Reallly bad
I have no complaints with this one. I won’t truly know until I sharpen it but so far it’s holding an edge as well as any other 3v blade I have. I’ve used it a fair bit doing woodwork and fooling around chopping with it and it’s performed as expected.
I'm glad to hear that cold steel quality hasn't suffered because Lynn sold the company. I,m looking to buy that Marauder fixed blade soon. SUBSCRIBING 🗡🗡🗡🗡
I think things are good so far with no loss in the quality we have come to expect from Cold Steel. I really like the Marauder profile and would love to get one. I have a custom from Dan Tope called the Revenant Bowie which reminds me of the Marauder a bit. Thanks for watching and subscribing!
i love cs taiwan factory
It is VG1,..NOT VG10. Otherwise, very informative video. Thank you.
Yes! The Japanese San mai blades are VG-1. The San Mai blades made in Taiwan are made with a VG-10 core
Vg1, NOT Vg10. Correction to you.
The cold steel San Mai 3 knives made by Hattori in Japan are made with a VG1 core and the new San Mai blades made in Taiwan are VG10
Waaaay heavier than 9 ounces
Haha yup!
Cold steel do not have a factory. They do not make or design any knives. This knife is still made by the Japanese firm, they like most companies moved to Taiwan. Cold Steel are just a marketing company.
not true
they design,others manufacture for them.
3V is easy to sharpen. It is not difficult at all. Certainly no more difficult than VG1 or VG10. I spend no more time sharpening a 3V Bark River or a 3V coldsteel than a VG10/COS Fallkniven.
It isn’t a hard steel to maintain the edge on but it’s it more difficult to fully sharpen or repair an edge vs vg1 or vg10 in my experience. It’s the nature of a higher wear resistant steel.
I actually had to reprofile my Bark River's edge because it came from the factory uneven and wavy. It was fairly easy even with less than ideal conditions and tools. I was In a hotel room on a trip with my brand new Aurora where I used a Smiths Tri Hone sharpening system to reprofile the Aurora and an SRK VG10. They both took an equal amount of time. I am now happy with both knives but factory knives from BRK SUCKS, and CS is hit or miss.
@@samthai818 I had a CS master hunter in VG-1 that I re-profiled and it took lot more work than I expected. I haven’t found my Bark River knives in 3V to be any easier though. I have other knives in 3V, one in particular that took a bit of work to reprofile. The biggest thing I notice is that it can be a pain to get a good burr going that you can pop off. Once you do though your left with an edge that cuts like a chainsaw. Have you noticed that as well?
It is VG10 don’t listen to these trolls 🧌
I had to go back and watch the video again. It was late when I made it and must have been tired haha. I did say the originals were vg10 and not vg1. Truth be told, the original san mail cold steels were AUS6, then aus8 before the San Mai 3 VG1 version if I remember correctly. Those blades are made by Hattori in Japan. The new Taiwan san mai blade made in Taiwan use the vg10 core. The san mai trailmaster is still made in Japan fortunately but all the other are made in Taiwan now. VG1 vs vg10 are so close it would be impossible for me to tell the difference in use. At least these new Taiwan made blade seem to be too notch in terms of fit and finish and heat treat!
@@gravytrainoutdoors VG1 and VG10 chemistry are very close in composition
@@SurvivalSpec they are! I think vg1 is tougher in practice. I would be hard pressed to say that with any confidence though