The Solution to HARD Water - Visiting Halcyan
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Thumbs up to this video. Really like the reporting and the solution. BUT… there was a small factual error related to energy consumption: It would break a law of physics (conservation of energy) if the heat from a resistance immersion heater were to just disappear because of an insulting layer.
I did think of that, but it is true that the element would have to work harder for longer, but then once all that limescale has heated up, I guess it would act as a heat sink keeping things warmer for longer. In a kettle the losses are real though as the water is tipped out after reaching boiling temperatures and hot limescale is of no use.
@@JamesCookeVlogsI might buy this system actually (via your link). I like the detail about chemical changes. Back to the resistance heater, heat output exactly matches kWh in. The insulation simply forces the core to a higher equilibrium temperature.
Now to satisfy the skeptics, could one set up a test with two pipes, one treated one not, both set to drip drip drip. Or boil water? Would be a powerful sales argument to see a youtube video with both side by side.
I think we'd be willing to do that with Halcyan's blessing, only if possible and cost effective to the company of course. There's James and Gilly's' house to implement this unit in and possibly have a real time counter or update within the vlog on how it's going. What do you think, good idea or no?
I'll have the Halcyan in my house, Mum's house could be the control
It's a bit more than a "small factual error" I would say it is a complete lie. and if that is a lie then it is probably all a lie. I thought James Cooke had a bit more sense.
My only concern would be is that if it makes tiny change to chemical structure of the salts/minerals, what long term affect does that have on the body? If there is a subtle long term affect, that might not be realised until decades down the line.
Lots of people calling "snake oil", if would be interesting if could you please explain why? A simple test will be to test the chemical in the water is what they say it is.
Honestly I can only report what I saw/tasted.
There was difference in the Halcyan treated water. It did taste slightly softer than the non-treated water, Certainly Vie noticed it (more than I did anyway).
Assuming there is no skullduggery at work, and I saw no sign of it, the unit certainly did something and the taps in the Halcyan treated property were mercifully free from limescale.
Chemically I don't believe the water would be any different, it is the shape of the Calcium carbonate that is altered, not the chemical composition.
As for people saying big companies would be pushing this, that is a non-arguement. Big companies only do what is in their best interest (makes them the most money). Fixing pipes, heating elements, selling salt for water softeners, selling chemicals to clear up limescale deposits, etc... these are massive money spinners. Everyone just not having limescale related issue for a one time fee, that isn't a big business idea.
Did the tobacco companies run adverts saying smoking was bad for you? No they ran ads with paid doctor telling you that smoking could cure a cough! That is big business behaviour.
The best solution to answering the critics and getting to the truth would be for me to have one fitted and do a follow up video in say 3 months time. I could buy a new kettle and if after that time it is full of limescale, then you have your answer. I could even buy two kettles and use one at my mum's with hard water (acting as a control) and compare them.
@@JamesCookeVlogs Thanks. I was calling out the "expert" detractors to explain their methods of how they come to their conclusions without testing anything. Shouldn't be too difficult for Halcyon to prove the chemical changes state from entering the pipe to exiting.
I call BS on this. Sounds like the snakiest of snake oil. James, get the company to put their money where their mouth is, and get them to install one in your property as a demo unit.
Sorry, this is quite literally too good to be true. If it actually worked, all municipal supplies would already be running commercial-level systems and no one would need water softeners in their homes. It would save the water companies millions, maybe billions, of money units.
Have you seen those little things you put on your car's fuel line to "increase power and fuel economy"? Yeah, this is exactly that. Bogus.
Agree
I don't think this device works as advertised.
Seemed to work fine to me. I must try and get one to try on our place
Another thing that has just occured to me. A heating elelment's job is to transmit the heat generated by electrical resistance to the surrounding water. If the heating element is caked in limescale, I would imagine a larger proportion of the heat would end up in the tank's structure and not the water it contains. I guess that's why heating elements are loops with max surface area, within the tank, rather than a plate on the side of tank.
You should have said you were in Bristol I’m only 10 miles down the road!
Well that was a missed opportunity! I thought you were further south. Hopefull we'll get back down there again soon.
@@JamesCookeVlogsThe way those elements are constructed, there's really only one way for the heat to go, and that's into the water. The base is insulated from the rest of the tank for several reasons, and the cross section of the base where it could conduct heat is miniscule compared to the surface area surrounded by water. In the case of a water heater where the element is always completely surrounded by water, the buildup makes little difference with the total heat transfer, it only slows it down. In other words, if you use up ALL the hot water and start from scratch with a tank that is full of cold water, it will take a bit longer to heat up. But the laws of thermodynamics say that however much heat energy you put into the limescale has to eventually go into the water. There is nowhere else for it to go. It's just that you have to heat up the scale before the water starts to heat, and the scale is less efficient at transferring the heat. But it also increases the surface area, which mitigates that a certain amount.
The scale might make a measurable difference in your hot water bill, but not for the reasons they state, and that's not the reason it's a problem. The real reason it's a problem is that it keeps the element at higher temperatures for longer than it's designed for, and that causes premature failure.
There are lots of other effects the scale has on the system, but they are all too small to be worth going into such detail. The main one you might notice is your electric bill because of the increased heating time.
As for the other claims, the chemistry doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The chemistry of hard water is well understood and is nothing new. If it were this easy to deal with hard water, it would not still be an issue.
How much does it cost and can you install it when you already have softwater?
sounds like a lot of snake oil to me.
Well it either works or it doesn't. From what I saw (and tasted), seemed good 👍
The best solution would be for me to get one to fit to my house, which is currently gummed up with limescale. Should see the benefits in our kettle within a few months.
@@JamesCookeVlogsThe problem with the taste test is that you're taking their word for where the water comes from in both cases, and you don't know what tricks they (ARE, not might be) playing to force your perception.
Amazing how people are quick to trash an idea with no knowledge of it at all. If the company has been manufacturing them already for 40 years the proof of the lack of timescale in your taps in a hard water area. You can buy an electronic unit you clip on a pipe to soften water, but this is fit and forget it makes its own power. I'm open minded about it. So I might have one fitted and see the difference.