My God. How I LOVE this film....from the very beginning with the Missa Solemnis that plays in background. It is a work of art in too many ways to mention. An international cast, great cinematography, direction. A MUST SEE from beginning.....to ....end. ...as per the pseudo "musicologists" who criticize the actual "facts" behind this story....it is all still under debate. No one really knows. Even those who profess to be the "experts."
bravaLiz the film is great but dont forget that the story takes a lot of dramatic liberties. Its all based on Anton Schindler who is known be liar and to have made up lots of stories about Beethoven just to gain his own fame and to make some money. for example the idea that the immortal beloved was his brothers wife is all made up. There is no evidence. I would rather they did not make that stupid letter the centerpiece of the whole movie, Beethoven himself probably forgot about it. This movie is an insult to his greatness. He was about more than just one love letter...his music was for all humanity and transcends so many barriers, even today. Thats the problem with movies. There is no fact checking. Same with that other movie Amadeus. The movie was again great, but the story was a complete lie. They made Salieri the evil opposite of mozart but he was not. He was actually a decent composer. But the world wants a story with good and bad in it, and give give that for us!!
***** Interesting. I found your comment...... and I understand completely the use of "artistic license"... but the mystery remains to this day among musicologists about how there were more accuracies rather than inaccuracies to this story. The Kreutzer scene e.g. is still in dispute. Was the violinist from Africa or the Caribbean? Most agree Karl was indeed his son and not his nephew. There are indeed inaccuracies in this film as to when he lost his hearing as well. And....the famous "pop tune" Für Elise was intended to be written in devotion to "Terese" or Teresa...not "Elise"... Alles Gutte! I suppose we could go on and on. However, I do indeed love this film. Vielen Dank for your posts. ;)
In my very particular point of view, this movie represent the best portrail of my beloved master, Gary Oldman deserved the Oscar by this outstanding performance. But no film, no narrative and no explanation will be ever enought homage to the greatest composer and artist that mankind has ever produced. Beethoven is infinitely above all art and the rest of human creation, in all the fields.
He channeled him or something. I loved the film and the musical score was astounding (well, how could it NOT be?) in spite of the fictional liberties taken.
I'm crying right now watching it. It is my favorite movie of all time ever since I was 23 bk when it was released. As a pianist, I admire and love Beethoven tremendously
The beautiful music that starts at 0:54 is Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, which is Latin for solemn mass. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missa_solemnis_(Beethoven)
I just this movie yesterday and the first thing that poped in my head was "well shit were opening with his death and funeral. All while the 5th symphony plays in the background. This definitely isn't a story for th faint of heart".
A great, and reasonably accurate opening scene-and the film has some nice moments. But the premise is so absurd, the inaccuracies so rampant, the depiction of Schindler so silly, that it always makes me wonder about films and real history
Labienus My God, man, name one MAJOR film biographic that is totally accurate in its depiction of history. It's not a documentary. This is one of the most beautifully crafted films about a man who wrote the worlds most beautiful music while handicapped in the worst way. It brought classic music to the mainstream movie goer in a wonderful film. Nothing could be better.
STUPIDMEMBER Calm down man. It's been 5 months, it says, since I wrote that, and without apologizing for tooting my own horn, I think, well said. You use the phrase "totally" accurate-and that is not what I complained about. Dramatic license is I guess necessary-though the true reality generally is far superior. While certain historic films can play a nice role if they make you seek out the truth, the real experience, though my old history professor always dismissed it as Hollywood History. In this case what makes it so frustrating is that there are some compelling scenes, and some attempt at historic accuracy,but it makes it harder to take when as I put it above-the premise is so absurd and misleading The immortal beloved is his sister in law-don't you understand how it distorts the entire understanding of B's personality? A film could have Schindler-and it could have a little license-but don't you understand that he was really a manipulative monster who did serious damage to the understanding of B's life. In the same area. let's take Amadeus. There is no evidence that Salieri poisoned him-though he was jealous of him-and the requiem's commission was somewhat mysterious butthat part of it does not exclusively dominate the film. "Nothing could be better".you say.really..and while I agree that it is not supposed to be a documentary-sometimes with these films IMO it would be better if they were just wonderfully done scenes from a life.
I agree. Deciding his Immortal Beloved was his sister-in-law - and that he had fathered a child by her - went WAY beyond the usual "Hey!, it's only a movie!" filmmaking. Beethoven screwing his brother's wife and having her be the mother of Beethoven's son - that's not just fake history. It's really bad writing. 🙄
It isn't a "song" ... they are the opening bars from his Symphony No. 5 in C minor (Op. 67), one of the best-known pieces in classical music. ruclips.net/video/OGnBrabqdP4/видео.html
It is written: Therefore, beloved, being warned of this, beware lest ye fall into the error of the wicked, and fall from your affirmation. 2Peter’s 3-17 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7-15 "And I saw another angel fly in heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. And he said with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour is come when he will judge; and worship the One who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water. And another angel, a second, followed him, saying, The great Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that made all nations drink of the wine of her fornication. And another, a third angel, followed them, saying in a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will drink of the wine of God's wrath, which is prepared pure in the cup of his wrath; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment shall be for ever and ever; and those who worship the beast and his image will have no rest day or night, or anyone who accepts the mark of his name. This requires the patience of the saints, those who keep God's commandments, and faith in Jesus ”(Rev. 14: 6-12). And yet, it is written: Fear God and repay Him Glory, for the hour of His judgment has come, and worship the One who made it heaven, earth, sea, and springs of water. ”- Revelation 14: 6, 7. It is written: John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And he who rejects the gift of salvation is written: Revelation 14:10 He also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared pure in the cup of His wrath, and will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And it is also written: For there is nothing secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. Luke 8:17. This world is going away and if you want to be saved, give glory to your Creator, repent! And this is the golden verse of the Bible: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16. Ecclesiastes 12 - 13.14 Let us hear the end of the whole word: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is all for man; 14 For every hidden thing, God will bring to justice every deed, whether good or evil. Luke 6:31- And as you desire men to do unto you, so do ye to them. God bless you!
I want to cry too with your wife, forgive me, God used to have a street address somewhere in Europe and a second home in Africa, maybe in Egypt or South Africa,was neither black or white, neither Roman Catholic nor Anglican Church as I am 😢
I bet hollishtwood isn’t looking forward to remake this movie but this time Beethoven will be depicted as Black Muslim Arab homosexual transgender Biden voter.
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The best introduction for a biographic movie. Serious!!
My wife watch this in dvd with me for her first time. At the end durning the ode to joy, she cried. The one time a movie had did this to her
My God. How I LOVE this film....from the very beginning with the Missa Solemnis that plays in background.
It is a work of art in too many ways to mention. An international cast, great cinematography, direction. A MUST SEE from beginning.....to ....end. ...as per the pseudo "musicologists" who criticize the actual "facts" behind this story....it is all still under debate. No one really knows. Even those who profess to be the "experts."
Looks like a must see. Tempus fugit.
bravaLiz the film is great but dont forget that the story takes a lot of dramatic liberties.
Its all based on Anton Schindler who is known be liar and to have made up lots of stories about Beethoven just to gain his own fame and to make some money.
for example the idea that the immortal beloved was his brothers wife is all made up. There is no evidence.
I would rather they did not make that stupid letter the centerpiece of the whole movie, Beethoven himself probably forgot about it. This movie is an insult to his greatness. He was about more than just one love letter...his music was for all humanity and transcends so many barriers, even today.
Thats the problem with movies. There is no fact checking.
Same with that other movie Amadeus. The movie was again great, but the story was a complete lie. They made Salieri the evil opposite of mozart but he was not. He was actually a decent composer.
But the world wants a story with good and bad in it, and give give that for us!!
***** Interesting. I found your comment...... and I understand completely the use of "artistic license"... but the mystery remains to this day among musicologists about how there were more accuracies rather than inaccuracies to this story. The Kreutzer scene e.g. is still in dispute. Was the violinist from Africa or the Caribbean? Most agree Karl was indeed his son and not his nephew. There are indeed inaccuracies in this film as to when he lost his hearing as well. And....the famous "pop tune" Für Elise was intended to be written in devotion to "Terese" or Teresa...not "Elise"... Alles Gutte! I suppose we could go on and on. However, I do indeed love this film. Vielen Dank for your posts. ;)
I want to watch this film....
The greatest of all time.
In my very particular point of view, this movie represent the best portrail of my beloved master, Gary Oldman deserved the Oscar by this outstanding performance.
But no film, no narrative and no explanation will be ever enought homage to the greatest composer and artist that mankind has ever produced. Beethoven is infinitely above all art and the rest of human creation, in all the fields.
Very well said.
I salute you.
Yes. Gary Oldman was unbelievable!!! He deserves to win the Oscar , I agree with you !
He channeled him or something. I loved the film and the musical score was astounding (well, how could it NOT be?) in spite of the fictional liberties taken.
Agreed...
the contrast between his and mozart's funeral cannot be more stark.
Thank you, Beethoven!!!
though this is just a movie... I still crying.
I'm crying right now watching it. It is my favorite movie of all time ever since I was 23 bk when it was released. As a pianist, I admire and love Beethoven tremendously
Beethoven o eterno mestre da música que nunca será esquecido.
Mozart*
The beautiful music that starts at 0:54 is Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, which is Latin for solemn mass.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missa_solemnis_(Beethoven)
This film is awesome...Both this and AMADEUS...
What Great intro quote: LVB, the man who inherited and increased the immortal fame of Handel and Bach, Haydn and Mozart is now no more
I just this movie yesterday and the first thing that poped in my head was "well shit were opening with his death and funeral. All while the 5th symphony plays in the background. This definitely isn't a story for th faint of heart".
I alwys cry,when i watch this scene.😭😭
Gary Oldman was perfect as always. Jeroen Krabbé also delivered a great performance as the quasi narrator.
Oh Georg Solti is the music director? That explains why I love the performances in this film! He had a great touch.
Funeral speech by Franz Grillparzer.
Fabulous movie!
With Oldman, they say he's so good you could live your life and then the director yells cut. Gary Oldman walks away.
Crowd carries his coffin like at a mosh pit at a rock concert lol
He was definitely the “Rock Star” of his day.
I saw it on hbo when I was younger
Hermosa pelicula
A great, and reasonably accurate opening scene-and the film has some nice moments. But the premise is so absurd, the inaccuracies so rampant, the depiction of Schindler so silly, that it always makes me wonder about films and real history
Labienus My God, man, name one MAJOR film biographic that is totally accurate in its depiction of history. It's not a documentary. This is one of the most beautifully crafted films about a man who wrote the worlds most beautiful music while handicapped in the worst way. It brought classic music to the mainstream movie goer in a wonderful film. Nothing could be better.
STUPIDMEMBER Calm down man. It's been 5 months, it says, since I wrote that, and without apologizing for tooting my own horn, I think, well said. You use the phrase "totally" accurate-and that is not what I complained about. Dramatic license is I guess necessary-though the true reality generally is far superior. While certain historic films can play a nice role if they make you seek out the truth, the real experience, though my old history professor always dismissed it as Hollywood History. In this case what makes it so frustrating is that there are some compelling scenes, and some attempt at historic accuracy,but it makes it harder to take when as I put it above-the premise is so absurd and misleading The immortal beloved is his sister in law-don't you understand how it distorts the entire understanding of B's personality? A film could have Schindler-and it could have a little license-but don't you understand that he was really a manipulative monster who did serious damage to the understanding of B's life. In the same area. let's take Amadeus. There is no evidence that Salieri poisoned him-though he was jealous of him-and the requiem's commission was somewhat mysterious butthat part of it does not exclusively dominate the film.
"Nothing could be better".you say.really..and while I agree that it is not supposed to be a documentary-sometimes with these films IMO it would be better if they were just wonderfully done scenes from a life.
I agree. Deciding his Immortal Beloved was his sister-in-law - and that he had fathered a child by her - went WAY beyond the usual "Hey!, it's only a movie!" filmmaking. Beethoven screwing his brother's wife and having her be the mother of Beethoven's son - that's not just fake history. It's really bad writing. 🙄
The “Ode to Joy” scene in my opinion, made up for the Hollywood fictions.
Make a more accurate one...
1:20(stop) beside Schindler was..WAIT IS THAT LISZT?
He would have been 16 years old when Beethoven died. Doubtful.
I thought the same, bcoz of the hairstyle
No that’s his only remaining brother Nicholas and his wife.
I think Liszt was in Paris when Beethoven died but Schubert and Prince Metternich were present
Would love to see a movie on JS Bach. The movie just wouldn't be as dramatic relatively.
Well, he fathered about 28 children with two wives so I’m sure Hollywood could come up with something interesting. 😂
Can anyone please tell me the name of the first song when the lightning started?
It isn't a "song" ... they are the opening bars from his Symphony No. 5 in C minor (Op. 67), one of the best-known pieces in classical music.
ruclips.net/video/OGnBrabqdP4/видео.html
what part of the missa solemnis is playing at 3:52???
Its still the kyrie - christe eleison
Yeah still the kyrie eleison part
Beethoven was the Shakespeare of the early 1800s.
"To _him_ who could no longer hear it." In English und auf deutsch auch haben wir the objective or accusative case. Sheesh. Who's the screenwriter?
It is written:
Therefore, beloved, being warned of this, beware lest ye fall into the error of the wicked, and fall from your affirmation. 2Peter’s 3-17
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7-15
"And I saw another angel fly in heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. And he said with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour is come when he will judge; and worship the One who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water. And another angel, a second, followed him, saying, The great Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that made all nations drink of the wine of her fornication. And another, a third angel, followed them, saying in a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will drink of the wine of God's wrath, which is prepared pure in the cup of his wrath; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment shall be for ever and ever; and those who worship the beast and his image will have no rest day or night, or anyone who accepts the mark of his name. This requires the patience of the saints, those who keep God's commandments, and faith in Jesus ”(Rev. 14: 6-12). And yet, it is written: Fear God and repay Him Glory, for the hour of His judgment has come, and worship the One who made it heaven, earth, sea, and springs of water. ”- Revelation 14: 6, 7. It is written: John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And he who rejects the gift of salvation is written: Revelation 14:10 He also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared pure in the cup of His wrath, and will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And it is also written: For there is nothing secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Luke 8:17. This world is going away and if you want to be saved, give glory to your Creator, repent! And this is the golden verse of the Bible:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16. Ecclesiastes 12 - 13.14
Let us hear the end of the whole word: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is all for man;
14 For every hidden thing, God will bring to justice every deed, whether good or evil. Luke 6:31- And as you desire men to do unto you, so do ye to them. God bless you!
That thick Dutch accent....
I want to cry too with your wife, forgive me, God used to have a street address somewhere in Europe and a second home in Africa, maybe in Egypt or South Africa,was neither black or white, neither Roman Catholic nor Anglican Church as I am 😢
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I bet hollishtwood isn’t looking forward to remake this movie but this time Beethoven will be depicted as Black Muslim Arab homosexual transgender Biden voter.