Most Searched Questions About Mormons!
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- WIRED has done a series of videos in which they have celebrities respond to top Google searches using autocomplete. We decided to look up some top searches about Mormons and respond accordingly:) None of the hosts were told the questions beforehand so these are their raw reactions!
Some of the questions include:
-Why are Mormons a cult?
-Why are Mormons baptized for the dead?
-Why are Mormons not allowed to drink coffee?
etc!!
How would you respond to the questions? Let us know in the comments below!
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I once heard “the difference between a religion and a cult is what happens when you try to leave.” That take the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints off the cult list.
The way they looked at the camera in the "Why are mormons in america" had me dying
BTW the props at this video are on point
"Why are Mormons so attractive and successful" I'm doing something very wrong😂
Victoria Grace same 😂😂
Victoria Grace same here lol
I think you are still young. Ysa? Haha I feel the same way now
From the photo thumbnail , if you don't mind my saying so , I find you to be very attractive .
If you want to see success... have you thought of Judaism. As Judge Judy says beauty fades, dumb is forever.
I LAUGHED SO FLIPPIN HARD AT “WHY ARE MORMONS IN AMERICA” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that awkward pause made it a billion times funnier 😂 I’m a Latter Day Saint and that’s funny! Im from Utah ❤️
AshNikField omg Same lol
Before Kwaku put on the blue pullover, he was causing my screen to buffer. LOL! 😂
I don’t know if I am the only person, but I hate the word “Mormonism” because it just make us seem like we don’t stand out like we are just a regular church. And I thought that that only non-Mormons called it that big I guess not.
I’m surprised that the Westboro Baptist Church isn’t beating Mormonism on the “most hated” list
@@moegoggles probably not because some people love to be hateful and unkind
Because the Westboro Baptist Church isn't a religion. It's a church.
@@Mine4062 are they a 501c3 non-profit organization!?!...
Westboro is nothing but hypocrisy
3:29 Umm you totally do crazy weird stuff, i.e. not drinking coffee! Considering that today I’m running on 4 hours of sleep and half a liter of coffee, that sounds crazy to me right now 😂😂😂
Sorry, couldn’t resist! Love you guys and loved the video! 💜
I could not drink coffee either. Lol but no they don't believe in using mind alterig things like cafine and school cause it's harder to feel the spirit
The background is too bright...
Julie Steimle Haha we totally agree-- we pinned a sheet to the ceiling in front of the set and just filmed... and then realized after that the coloring was pretty off 😂 Whoops! We're clearly far from professional. 🙃
It’s only my beautiful view, that we look the way that we do because of the light of Christ that is in us!
This comment is for David. David if you are just looking at genealogy as a who begat who thing, it won't be very interesting. If you learn about your ancestors stories that would change everything. Learn about their struggles, their accomplishments. What they did, where they went, what they liked, how they felt, how it all led to you. Then it becomes interesting.
KevlarX2 I believe you. I hope I get to that point one day.
This was just perfect mix Of comedy and I learned Something Thank you. Also in my country there are just 4000 members of the church not surprised it seems like a cult sometimes to those outside
I would disagree with you guys - atheism is absolutely a religion. I would say agnosticism isn't a religion, because their statement of belief is that they don't know. But a religion is a system of belief about a higher power, afterlife, purpose, etc that determines how someone behaves, and atheism is exactly that - an active belief that those things DON'T exist. They even "preach" about how everyone else should leave their foolish traditions and join their group.
This is so good, reason for me is that it is real ,responses to questions, one of the reasons I love this channel ❤
Hi Kwaku! Fellow Democrat Mormon here!
I want to be as cool as Kwaku when I grow up
3 Mormons: Why are mormons so attractive.
Me:...I don't get i-whats going on
I'm living for those dad jokes Kwaku
I think on coffee and tea we do not drink them because of their caffeine content, and caffeine is addictive and takes away freedoms because you are trapped in that addiction.
Then why do a lot of LDS people drink caffeinated soda?
@@ashagumpinger5052 It is really a personal choice because caffeine is addictive and having any kind of addiction can take away your ability to make certain choices. Personally, I don't really like soda but when I do have soda I choose Pepsi or Coke because I like them the best, obviously both have caffeine in them. ANYWAYS to your question, it is up to every person to do what they want but I think we dont drink caffeinated sodas very often or not often enough to have an addiction like someone might have with coffee. IDK if that answered your question, LMK if I wasn't clear on anything though :)
Tannic acid in both
Look up bite model to see what a cult is, cult doesn't necessarily mean small group doing weird things with a charismatic leader
I spoke like 3 seconds too soon for what you guys think cult is, but that still stands.
AvaCado Vlogs an excellent defense of your belief, I applaud you sir.
Great video as usual!
David shaved?!
I cannot wait for the posthumous baptism episode! 👍🏻
Kwaku, you’re perfect. Never change!
Weeeeeird right?! I look ten years younger.
I do wish the channel would explore the church's treatment of LGBTQ people. Hatred may be the wrong word, but for me funding Prop8 campaigning, the LGBT parent baptism policy and the exclusion from many important aspects of family life for LGBTQ people is so devastating to so many. I know so many who have left the church because of it.
Anna, it's an extremely tough topic, but an interesting one. Unfortunately it's so hard to have a real discussion about it without people on both sides of the issue getting super triggered (especially online). But here are some questions I try to answer in my head when thinking about the issue: Is it possible to disagree with someone's decisions without hating that person? (Of course, YES). How do we stand up for our beliefs without appearing discriminatory or hateful towards those that believe differently? How do we stand up for what we believe to be the most important social unit on earth without infringing on the free agency of others? I think even church leaders have admitted that they haven't treated (or understood) this topic as well as they should have in the past, and it's entirely possible that some decisions have simply been wrong (not my place to judge, but mistakes happen), but I think we're learning how to answer these questions over time. Anyway, just some thoughts.
I don’t pretend to have all of the answers. I just want to comment on the policy of not allowing children of LGBTQ parents to be baptized. The church obviously values family above almost anything. I think of this policy as an act of mercy. Why put children in a situation where they feel like they have to choose their religion or parents. Not that they would have to choose, but there’s no doubt that that would cross their mind. Children’s minds are not developed enough to process through situations like that. It’s not fair for the child and the child’s best interest should be considered above anything else.
Also, it’s not exclusive to LGBTQ. It’s also relevant to children who’s parents are polygamists. Parents who aren’t active and don’t have an interest in the church also have the same consideration.
A decision like baptism comes with much higher responsibility and if the church agreed to baptize someone who lives in a home where the child has to deal with antagonism toward their beliefs, that’s setting a child up for immediate failure.
Does this mean the child can’t come to church? Absolutely not! Come, learn. I hope people can see this policy as it is, an act of mercy and not a decision made out of hate.
I’m Bisexual and an active member. It’s not about the policies, it’s about how people treat eachother.
Maybe down south where homophobia is as common as breathing. But in nyc all people are welcomed.
forever love kwaku's puns & jokes. ily kwaku i will always laugh
I enjoyed this segment! I am having tons of fun since I discovered your channel today! The cult thing is just simply ridiculous! Why the third most hated? I have an opinion on that; it comes from a Filipino proverb that says, "Binabato ang may bunga! Which translates as those who have good fruits are the ones who are thrown stones at! Or if you take it in a long literal sense, trees who bear fruit are the ones being thrown stones at because they want to get that fruit! My apologies for being redundant; just not happy about being the third most hated!
Just like Lehi was anxious to give the fruit to his family in his dream which was prophetic in every sense of the story! Please read the Book of Mormon to learn more of Lehi!
Recently that cartoon scene from the God Makers is making its way around the internet. Probably why it is becoming one of the more googled topics.
Ghawk that is a terrible cartoon. Ed Decker (the author of the God Makers) is an example of how not to be a critic of the church. Lies and gross exaggerations destroy the credibility of arguments, even if there is some truth to them.
Yeah, I pointed out some things to a protestant pastor in Michigan about things that were clear lies. He answered me that "we do whatever it takes." I said to him: Have you not read that all lies are of the devil?
KevlarX2 lying certainly doesn't help. Even if the person being lied to believes it to begin with, they will eventually discover the truth. Honesty and integrity are so important
Agree.
So what if a person dies but never gets baptized and no living person does it for them? Are they just stuck?
There will be two great works for members of the Church during the Millennium: temple work and missionary work. Temple work involves the ordinances that are necessary for exaltation. Many people have died without receiving these ordinances. People on the earth must perform these ordinances for them. This work is now being done in the temples of the Lord. There is too much work to finish before the Millennium begins, so it will be completed during that time. Resurrected beings will help us correct the mistakes we have made in doing research concerning our dead ancestors. They will also help us find the information we need to complete our records. (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954-56], 2:167, 251-52.) - www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-45-the-millennium?lang=eng
Joseph Smith said something to the effect of, 'they are judged as if they were presented with the opportunity, what would they have done." Wish I knew it better to direct you to the exact quote, but God judging us on the intent of our hearts is a fairly foundational doctrine to most Christian sects.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with LDS doctrine, but there's a great part of God's plan that we call the Millennium, which is a period of peace after the 2nd Coming of Christ (before the final judgment) during which time He will personally be in charge here on earth. There will be a ton of vicarious ordinances that get done during that period of time, and I assume that anyone who slips through the cracks right now will definitely be covered at that time.
I was going to post something like what David did, but he took care of it. ;)
I don't know of a Christian sect that doesn't believe in the millennial reign of Christ.
We are not all Republicans...*I'm* Filipino
And I'm *_male_*
A bit behind the times for me.I only last night found your site on line. Regarding a question you could not or would not answer about why the Church in in America. For a simple answer I would refer you to the book "The Washington Hypothesis" by: Timothy Ballard. He gives a very good explanation with a strong leaning to American History and the Revolutionary War.
This video is fallacious because it's restricted to the starting phrase "why are mormons". Perhaps you could make more videos that address "who" "what" "where" "when" and "how". And specify in the title that this specific to the question of "why". Perhaps "Most Searched Questions About Mormons (Why Are Mormons)". You could make a series.
As an LDS person, I enjoyed this. I’m afraid of someone who isn’t LDS, watching this to try to get answers and all of Kwakus jokes first would be confusing. Keep the jokes but maybe less often or not before the real answer? Awesome video guys! ❤️
Kwaku is the king of sarcasm, accents, and impressions. LOL! 😂
Amy Jo Wheelock Thanks for the feedback!! Definitely beneficial!
So creative I love this!
I kind of wonder how many of these questions have been searched by members because we don’t understand why people would think these things. 🤔
Love watching this show !!
Why Mormons are so attractive and successful, that's pretty interesting.
I must be doing something wrong ._.
Where is the episode on that God maker thing? I'm trying to understand it so I can ask questions when I go to the Mormon church for the first time down the road.
Hey Zito fancy seeing you on a random video comment feed! I know it was like 3 years ago but.... If you ever want to ask me, I'm pretty educated about the doctrine of becoming like God. There are actually some scriptures in the Bible that I think are foundational to the topic, such as Revelation 3:21, John 17:21-22, and Romans 8:17. Then we also have our own scriptures on the topic, such as Doctrine and Covenants 76:50-62.
@@JesseBardsley Haha ya, man. I was reading the book of Mormon a lot then. Back when I lived in Kent, I was going to one of their bible studies and I wanted to cross examine everything from the Bible and book of Mormon
I was reading a lot of Isaiah at the time.
Atheism is a religion! The definition of religion is a way of life and belief system.
Hamann9631 Atheism isn’t either of those things
Atheists don’t usually treat it like a lifestyle, and their is literally a lack of religious belief system around it.
There are atheists who are technically religious though.
Like some vegans, feminists, Buddhists, Jedi, people who believe in Bigfoot, doomsday preppers, cross fitters, musicians.
Kwaku just called BYU creamery chocolate milk dank af
My life is complete
Love the channel. HEY! I have an idea why the Mormons would be amongst the top hated religions-the public's understanding is that splinter groups are included in the definition of Mormon including the FLDS headed by Warren Jeffs and other polygamy/under age marriage practising groups which there are many eg Apostolic United Brethren, Kingston group etc. There are many disturbing realities and criminal practices which occur within these churches I will not mention here but do your own research. All this would explain the public's distrust of 'Mormons' apart from this I can't see any reason to hate on Mormons. PLEASE do a video on Mormon splinter groups, offshoots and sects it'll be educational and eye opening. Keep up the good work!!
Could you guys do a video about 2 nephi 5 and the skin of blackness. I watched a video about it being metaphorical blackness and it’s been blowing my mind ever since. Could you speak to this interpretation of scripture? I think it’s true but because no general authorities have taught it (that I know of) is it okay to teach that to people?
Why do you think it's true? I've read those passages and nothing in them suggests they're metaphorical. Plus, the Bible never mentions a skin of blackness, metaphorical or otherwise. Why would you believe God would do that when nothing in the Bible suggests he treated people that way? For that matter, why would you believe in a God who allowed a complete apostasy to happen? People were willing to die for their faith in God, yet God let the true church get wiped out? That's the same God who performed powerful miracles and plagues many times in the Bible, yet he had to wait 1700 years for humans to develop religious liberty laws? The Mormon "God" acts nothing like the true God of the Bible.
Their punishment was the loss of the Holy Spirit for forever.I felt it was metaphoric to go with the darkness of their heart.
Here's a thought. The Lamanites (or apostate people at the time), were said to have darkened skin as a mark. It also mentioned that they had a lack of coverings during battles (and possibly in general). Under those conditions, is it probable that the darkened skin is simply sunburn, as a byproduct of immodesty?
I want to be friends with Kwaku.
being mormon is AWESOME people!
gshockgshock YESSS morman power
No, it's _scripture power._ Did you learn nothing in primary?
3:35 great answer! 6:09 proxy, not vicarious. 8:17 another great answer! 9:00 uh, ya, we'll circle back to that one later..
Mormons are in America because just before the planet Kolob was about to explode, Joseph Smith's parents put baby Joseph in a space ship and sent him to earth, his ship just happened to land somewhere in the united States, where a lovely couple found him and raised him as there own. ^^
(I'm joking, obviously)
As opposed to Russia like in Superman: Red Son
I loved this response.
David Haynes
As apposed to? Don't you mean luckily for us?
Hannah Banana No. Opposed to as in contrasted to landing in Russia like in Superman: Red Son which explores a "what if" scenario of what it might have been like if Kal-El was raised in Russia instead of Kansas...
David Haynes
I just noticed my phone derped up my first reply. I meant to say unluckily for us.
(Remember vaguely the plot of Red Son. I read it years ago. I mostly just recall an image of Batman in one of those fuzzy Russian hats.)
3:05 When explaining how Mormonism is not a cult, wildly gesticulating to reveal “Why are Mormons baptized for the dead” was an act of god.
If you're adopted genealogy is a great way the Lord can use to make you whole, Its emphasis is one of the best gifts of the restoration.
Hi, i hope you might see this. I am having two Mormons over for a visit on thursday, and i would like NOT to offend them by serving them coffee ot blanck tea. Could you guide me in what is okay to serve them?
Lemonade, Soda, Water, Juice :)
Birgit Hovedskou Mormons like club soda. That’s it
kwaku you forgot milk
Trust me. "Offering" them coffee or tea won't offend them. It is literally a constant occurence, and they will say "no thank you" and completely forget it. As far as what they WILL drink, that depends on the individual (just like it does with any company).
Kwaku is my spirit animal 95% of the time. 😂👏🏻😂👏🏻
Tati H omg same lol
Search Romans 8:16-18. Even in the New Testament talks about the ability of becoming a God.
8:24...umm please dont be so dismissive/ignorant to the church's discriminate past against the LGBTQIA+ community. If you claim to love individuals in that community so much you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the way leaders in the church have treated them. Please learn about your church's full history, consider the impacts it had on various communities before making such hurtful claims.
Christ never condoned your perversions, and He never will. That's your cross to take up and follow Him.
What mormons think about the musical play the book of mormons
Another thing the people who believe in the Godmakers movie is that “Mormons will hypnotize you” and a bunch of scary things like that.
Really sad to hear mormons are so hated. 😕 Real curiosity is the key if someone is not informed about a religion.
Jesus said it was a reason to rejoice.
Real curiosity is what leads some people to hate Mormons
Why does Mormon doctrine hate black people?
Alex Ferrando we don't. We were actually the only gospel who accepted blacks when we first founded and always have.
Xepher OfDawnfall Always have? For almost 150 years, those of African descent could not hold the priesthood or attend the temple. www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
7:30 I hate to break it to you, but we are number one in America now, according to Pew Research Center.
I have read that in Utah (and in many LDS members in general) there are too many cases of depression. What do you think of it? So are you really the happiest people then?
We don't claim to be.
no we are still human i mean
Who told Eve that she could become like God (the creator of all things God in Gen 1)in the third chapter of Genesis?
Do you believe there is a connection to your belief about becoming like God and what Eve was told?
And what did the Gods say after they partook? Gen 3:22 "Behold, the man is become as one of us."
John 10:34, Psalm 82:6, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17 Joint heirs all inherit the same thing. Humanity are all the literal offspring of God.
@@earthrenew so are you implying that you have to sin and disobey God, as Adam and Eve did, to become a god just as the serpent said? Because the serpent was the one who told them to disobey, right?
Gen 3:4“No! You will not die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
(The whole verse)Gen 3:22 The Lord God said, “Since the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever.”
6:24 Those sound like three new drinks for microbrew houses !
7:53 HAHAHHA I laughed so hard lol
kwaukel is life
I think alot of people who think mormons hate gays have good reason to think that Tyler Glenn from neon trees is openly gay and got excommunicated but he also drinks and does alot of things against the church normal everyday people dont see the church from a normal stand point they see it from celebraties like him or brenden urie .. but there are other openly gay people for example Manny MUA who is a formor Mormon talked about going to counseling because people still see being gay as a choise his parents are still lds i believe . Now the church is more open then it was years ago
What Google is Ture IM on Google stuff all the time
8:39
Geneology
Geneeology..?
Geneyolology
dang, thought I could, but guess I cant.
_google, help_
according to google:
its *genealogy*
Plain background :O
Yeah, not a fan of the plain background. I liked the old background with fishy.
Yeah me too haha
Kwaku’s dad jokes, my heart is melting 😭❤️
I just googled "why are Mormons" and nothing comes up on Google at all except "why are Mormons in Utah"... and I'd say, "Because of Mountains." So I think these are made up search results. But make another video looking up "why DO Mormons" because that pulled up about 200 questions, and some of them are pretty ridiculous. lol
Search results vary depending on who is doing the searching. Eli Pariser has a TED talk on that very phenomenon. ruclips.net/video/B8ofWFx525s/видео.html
Not a Mormon but I'm going to guess that you're hated because of your beliefs regarding black and LGBTQ people society has moved forward in the past 150 years. Also your habit of knocking on doors, waking shift workers and generally causing a nuisance by disturbing people who have better things to do.
Love from the most hated religious group.
Christ is unchanging. He never condoned those perversions and never will. Those are your cross to take up and follow Him.
I Go on Google all the time even lds stuff
I always like answering "Why are Mormons..." questions. :-)
Why are we ignoring D&C 77:9 & 14 and how they answer 113:4? Why are we ignoring 85:7 & 86:3 & 7 = Rev 12:6 & 14 and how they answer Luke 21:36?
Kwaku is on a roll!
Are mormons in México papi
So if you become God of your planet do you have to get crucified for their sins?
Why in the Book of Mormon that black people was considered as a Nephite or a Lamonte. I believe that it said that black people were cursed.
Ernest Marcucella no lol
where
It does mention a curse befalling the wicked, and the curse was a way of quick identification for the faithful. It was mentioned as having a darkened skin. It also mentioned the wicked armies' lack of protective clothing during battles. Therefore, is the darkened skin literally sunburn, for a disregard of modesty?
It would make sense for Mormons to support the Republican Party. I mean, why would you need to google that?
Oh David, embrace the Spirit of Elijah!!
16 million out of 8 billion is a small figure just saying
200 years vs over a millenia is also a small figure, so I'd say we're doing good!
@@johnwright2217 yeah thats not culty lol
My alligence is with the Republic
7:46 Most important question...
Slick way to brush off the gay question. Why didn’t you answer it?
There are many different definitions for the word cult. The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin explains it in detsil.
Republicans are largely conservative and so are we the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints but we don't have to be any party many also are libertarian or any party they believe will benefit the world in general and just like any religion we are diverse
Top most asked questions on Google SERIUOSLY please come on. Maybe (at best) some-ones rendition of questions
Oh, I loved it when the editor needed to clarify with the cast, so cool
Yeah it's the difference between actual term cults meaning which includes all religious groups, and the negative media labeling of radical groups claiming connection no matter how loose to a main religion but doing what ever there leader says.
Shut up we’ve had enough of you stupid comments! If you disagree with us why are you even here smh 🤦♀️ lol
Copying WIRED now?
not australian
We are not sure why were hated but we love you anyway! lol #true
Here early for once haha
It's cool...
Well, becoming a "god" is absolutely part of the Mormon doctrine.
Psalms Ye are Gods, everyone of you are children of the Most High.
No
@@numberonetaylorswiftfan The missionaries are lying to you. Wake up.
nah your lying to yourself waKe uP
2:42 By definition, we're a cult cuz we worship God, and no other religion does that at all... x3 We're also a cult because other people say so and are really misinformed about us. Some might say well gee, what about the BITE system, eh!? First, if you don't know what it is, look it up. I recognise all the points of common misconceptions people make about the LDS church in there, but that's all they are. Misconceptions! We don't worship Ol' Smitty Joe, mmkay? We don't do the super culty things on there and the few things we do can be said about other churches too! I challenge anyone to find any religion mainstream religion that doesnt do a single thing on that list. If you worship God, read the Bible, believe that God is Good and Satan is Evil, your church is a cult. If your religion teaches you The 10 commandments, The 7 Deadly Sins, preaches against premarital sex, or has a 10 Step program or in anyway helps people with anger management issues... Congrats, you're in a cult! All are welcome, dont be shy! We have kool-aid:D Nobody can tell me The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a cult. Anyone who argues the church is a cult because of the BITE system can bite me! Hows that?:)
OKAY, im gonna say this right now.
If your like *me*
and your apart of the lgbtq+ community, AND lds...
DONT WORRY ABOUT IT.
YOUR VALID
THE LORD STILL LOVES YOU
TELL THE WEIRD WART PEEPS WHO TELL YOU ITS WRONG AND A SIN, TO SHUSH UP
CAUSE EVEN IF IT IS A SIN,
JUST TELL THEM ITS SOMETHING IN YOUR BRAIN THAT YOU CANT CONTROL,
CAUSE IT IS.
DONT BE ASHAMED
*_LOVE YOURSELFFFFFFFF_*
I am saying this, cause I literally cried when they brought up the lgbtq+ community, and said what i thought! WE ARE NOT AGAINST YOUUU. I am with both the church and the lgbtq+ community, STOP ACTING LIKE WE DONT EXIST, _NON SPECIFIC PERSON FROM A PREVIOUS WARD THAT I WAS IN_
Even straight people hafta deny some of their sexual desires to become like Christ.
...So...when did god say we can become a god one day?
Psalms Ye are Gods, everyone of you are children of The Most High.
"...inherit all the Father hath..."
Mormons are in America because to regain the fullness of the gospel their needed to be freedom of religion.
This answer has always baffled me. In the Bible, God did many powerful miracles and plagues. There's many stories of God protecting prophets in the Old Testament and the Apostles in the New Testament. God turned a tribe of nomads into a superpower nation and he made it very clear many times that it was by his power, not human power.
But Mormons believe God didn't preserve the early church for more than a generation. They believe God waited for human politicians to come up with religious liberty laws before he restored the church. That doesn't sound like the one true God of the Bible. How is the Mormon God any different than wood or stone gods that rely on human power? Why should anyone follow such a weak god?
@@Dustin_McNab In LDS history, God has done many powerful miracles and given many great revelations and prophecies. Miracles are when God interferes with human history. Everyone remembers Jesus for the miracles, but Jesus couldn't always do miracles. He could only do miracles when there was sufficient faith. He didn't heal all of the blind people, or all of the lame, or raise everyone from the dead. And the mood very quickly sours after Jesus ascends to rule at the side of God; the members of his church are persecuted almost to extinction, the apostles are killed one after another, and the church is branded as a cult. It is dying from within as much as without. John reports in John 1 that it is the last hour, and that the anti-Christ are everywhere. Clearly, the final curtain is falling. It isn't unexpected. Both an apostasy, and a restoration are prophesied by the apostles. They don't even bother to buy land for chapels.
The start of the restoration is the publication of the Bible. By itself, the publication of the Bible was a great miracle. It was an illegal act, and those that took part became enemies of the church. But it was necessary for people to read the Bible in order to gain faith in God. It was the publication of the Bible that led people to escape the brutal rule of the church, and find a land where they could worship God according to the dictates of their own hearts. The discovery of America was a miracle. Columbus testified that it was the Holy Spirit that led him. So God is doing his work every step of the way. He doesn't wait for 1830, but sets the scene where the truth can be restored.
@@robertrosskopf4641 1. The early church was facing persecution from outside the church and false teachers from within, but many people were still willing to die for their faith in Jesus. Why wasn't that enough faith?
2. If God needed the apostles alive to continue the church, why didn't he protect them? God sent 10 plagues to Egypt to free his people, protected his prophet with an army of angels and had pagan armies defeat themselves. Are you suggesting that same God either could not or would not protect the Apostles? Or are you saying the Apostles themselves didn't have enough faith?
3. The apostles talk about an apostasy, but they never said the WHOLE church would fall away. None of the passages that talk about a restoration suggest they're talking about restoring lost doctrine.
4. The God of the Bible didn't need to use slow, human methods to set the scene. The publication of the Bible may have been a miracle, but true faith in God thrived plenty of times without it. There was no religious freedom in the Old Testament, but that didn't stop God from turning a tribe of nomads into a super power nation for him. You make it sound like God wasn't able to restore the truth during the early church. Why not? If your god is unable to do something as simple as that, then you're not following the one, true God of the Bible.
@@Dustin_McNab Wow! That is a lot to digest. Those are questions I have never heard before, and too many to adequately address. But they are very thought provoking.
Why did God wait 400 years to free the Jews from Egypt? Didn't they have enough faith to enter Palestine immediately after all those miracles? Couldn't God protect them against Babylon? And Persia? And Rome? They went from a nation to wandering gypsies very quickly.
And why didn't God show his power in all nations? Why just Israel?
And why did the Jews have to give up polygamy in 1100 AD? Why didn't God simply fight their enemies, so they could follow their traditions in peace?
On the other hand, the LDS were persecuted severely and yet saw many miracles and were preserved time and time again. The wrath of God sent their enemies running at Fishing River.
Utah faced off the US Army in the Utah war, with only a hundred men, and the US army blinked. The church that everyone hated is now in 98% of the countries of the world, and numbers more than the Jews. And they have a living prophet that talks to God. Who can explain it?
And of course the Book of Mormon is a miracle that defies all explanation.
It seems to me that God has things to teach us, and we are slow learners. And they aren't the things we want to learn.
@@robertrosskopf4641 Ignoring my questions and moving on to other questions doesn't really support your point very well. If you don't have an adequate way to address those questions to support your beliefs, why do you believe them.
But okay, I'll answer your questions. Facing persecution builds faith and teaches people to rely on God. If God immediately delivered people, then they would be more careless about doing things that got them into trouble. We see that pattern in Judges. Over and over again, when Israel got too comfortable, they went back to a sinful lifestyle, which led them back to persecution.
God's goal in Egypt wasn't just to free his people. He hardened Pharaoh's heart so he could use the plagues to show he's the one, true God, not one of many gods. Their deliverance was very clearly God's doing. He didn't spend 400 years getting human politicians to develop freedom laws.
Plus, it's not really a good comparison because none of the captivity and deliverance stories talk about God restoring lost faith or lost doctrine. None of the apostles had to restore any lost scripture. Daniel and his friends were in captivity, but they still had very strong faith in God. Since God was willing to protect his people in a blazing oven and the lions den, why didn't he protect the apostles? Maybe he didn't need the apostles alive to keep the church going?
The Jews gave up polygamy because it's not a healthy family structure. I don't really understand your point on that.
God never said we can know which church is true based on military stories. We have multiple passages that show how to recognize false teachers, like Gal 1:8-9 and 1 John 4:1-3. Both talk about testing the teacher by comparing what they say with what the apostles taught.
That's what I wanted to know. Why does the LDS Church does not accept gays and lesbians. They're so nice and kind.
Mike Dee We love everyone as people but we dont accept them acting upon those actions. Any other questions just ask:)
Kaite Crocker actions? What actions are the GLBTQ do that the church don't accept. Like public affections the way Straight people do in public?
Mike Dee no no like sexual things
Kaite Crocker everyone does that. God created all of them to have those; both straights and GLBTQ. It shows their love for one another. I'm sure it does not really matter to God, God loves everyone regardless.
Mike Dee I dont agree with you but I respect your opinion:)
I had a super Christian guy in co said the I believe in a different Jesus
So they just dodged the question about Mormons being against gay people. I’m glad these three seem not to be prejudiced, but the Mormon church spent a lot of money trying to keep marriage equality from happening, the suicide rate among LGBT Mormon youth is staggeringly high, etc. I’m assuming the Mormon teaching is similar to Catholicism: it’s not a sin to be gay, just a sin to do anything gay. (Please correct me if I’m wrong) I don’t feel like the Mormon stance on these issues should just be brushed aside.
SirCoughsalot We dont hate the LGBTQ community at all. We love them all we just dont support the acting upon those actions
Christ is unchanging. He never condoned those perversions, and never will. Those are your cross to take up and follow Him.
Well definition of cult is really hard to explain but if you search about the BITE model and answer those questions you can find out if you guys are cult or not. But in my mind cult mean, control human behaviours and leaders have special privileges. Also, there are cults with huge following. I can't remember the name but there was a cult in Japan who has infulnace in the government.
They are funny but dont bother to research anything. Godmakers can be googled for example. Atheism is both a religion and no at the same time at different levels of analysis. Things can be contradictory and still true, same for the word cult Mormonism both is and isn't at the same time.
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Definitely a cult
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