389 against 455 VERY respectable ! I still have a 66 GTO convertible since new weighs in @ 3990 lbs NO PASSENGER, running a 66 421 HO with headers 433 gears, best time 12.42 @ 111 mph. I have the time slips too prove !!
@@tomcomiskey6350 When I returned home (second tour) from Vietnam in 1969 (medevac duty), I built a '57 Ford Custom 2 dr sedan street legal NHRA E/G, E/MP, D/G drag car that set two records and won 3 class championships. I also bought a new all options yellow 1969 Boss 302 Mustang from TASCA Ford in RI. I still have both cars today and both are registered and driven quite often.
Decades of bad management. We're not selling enough coupes? Well forget making them better just let Nissan have all the sales. Now we're not selling enough sedans? Let the sales go to Hyundai, Kia, and Toyota. We don't have time to make cars people want. I also blame auto mags that spent forever pooping on anything American. Not to mention them constantly comparing say, a $25k American car vs a $50k foreign car and then saying the American car was cheap.
@@reaperthemad8731 I'm a Pontiac guy myself. The mismanagement of Pontiac started as far back as the 1970's. GM wanted to increase sales so they tried to make them more like Chevy. They didn't realize that people bought Pontiacs precisely because they WEREN'T Chevy. It takes a special kind of stupid to let brands with as much charisma as Pontiac and Olds fall by the wayside. But yeah, you're right. GM didn't even care until Toyota passed them in sales. By then it was too late.
GM had the opportunity to sell Pontiac, Saturn into private hands, Olds would of maybe followed the same way. But GM decided to let them die out instead. Penske wanted Pontiac, I would of loved to see their modern interpretation of the GTO, or a Olds 442. These brands are instead g o n e . GM is to blame.
@@billyhndrsn4542 That's correct as well. I heard that Penske wanted Saturn, but who would have given up an opportunity to own Pontiac too?! My opinion is that GM at least knew that, in the right hands, a correctly run Pontiac/Olds/Saturn brand would have sent original GM running to the hills, so they let them die out instead.
@@dirtbike9003 I HOPE NOT! Jack Vale films does farting and indecent shit all the time! lmao..but hope this dude comes back real soon, as iw as saying in previous post this channel is not better than the original FAST racing series channel..Boooorrriinnng..
@@dirtbike9003 I just don't understand that stupid opinion. RUclips doesn't give a flying F what channels do. You seriously think they even know a channel with under 30K subs is making fart jokes? Dumb.
The Hurst Olds 442 W30 is my all time favorite vintage muscle car! My father owned one, and I've been in love with them ever since! My dream is to own one one day
@@OpenRoader Howdy partner! Back in the day, had a 59 Starchief Pontiac with the 389/ hydramatic 4 speed auto. With a good tune up this old heavy girl avg around 15 mpg. Now the GTO i had was 389 3 duces 4 speed ,safety trac posi Lumpy cam closer to 11 mpg. 70 Cutlass had 360 hp 455 with 400 turbo hydramatic (3 sp) 3.73 posi Got bout 15 mpg... unless leadfoot occurs lol. A lot of us used the later overdrive automatics to get better mpg. But hey ya don't drive old big blocks for mileage. I call it smiles per gallon.👍😎🏁
@@unclebob7937 15 mpg isn't bad really. That's still a useable daily driver. I could see a six pack drinking the fuel. An over drive might bring you 17mpg? Maybe? Thanks for the reply. Big block fun for sure
@@OpenRoader Another comment. Those old pre smog big blocks don't need mods to make a great cruiser/hot rod. Where small ohc engines like to rev high, the old motors were all about torque witch came on 1500 thru 3500 rpm. No reason to rev these over 4500.
I thought the Hurst might outrun the Goat by more than that. But it looks like the 4 speed gave it the extra legs just before the traps. Love the simple and straightforward nature of these 2 cars. Not a lot of crazy colors, spoilers, air dams etc that just add weight.
I have a 455 Olds Modifiedm Dual Exhaust with H Pipe. All the way Back. Silent But Deadly. Ate alot ofMustangs, Vets and even the first Porche V8. Pontiacs have the Same silent Treatment.
Sad, back in the days, even about 10-15 years ago, those stands would have been filled with enthusiasts and spectators. Now everyone is too busy on their stupid phones and nobody knows how to do shit, least of all work on cars.
@@bk14nyc Gilbert is a condescending a-hole and exactly the reason why young people don't want to associate with the older population. When I was a kid the old guys were great... very welcoming and fun to talk to. Now old men are insecure jerks.
THIS IS BULLSHIT C&Z!! NO C&Z COMMENTARY AND QUIPS!? You know, I sent Jay Leno hate mail because I love your channel and videos so much. WTF DUDE!? COME BACK!!
Mph says different, maybe because GTO had a 4spd manual and 66 less cubes had something to do with it. Also was last year for tri-power cause of the difficulty to tune.
Figuring 28 inch tall tires, which on 14 inch rims and 70 profile tires, which is probably about what they are, that puts the GTO at about 5200 rpms at the finish. Its top speed probably wouldn't be but a few mph higher, but I figure that's about perfect for that 389 to still be pulling at the traps but almost topped out. The engineers who designed these cars knew what they were doing. Sure you could get a 3.23 gear if you wanted a top speed monster or probably 4.88 or lower if you were doing 1/8 miles drags, but optimum 1/4 runs was what they were going for.
My buds ol 67 rocked with 3.90s. It was 400 (supposedly)set up to ram air 4 spec and the good 670 heads. Th-400 trans though. The guy he got it from had a few 12.3-12.4 timeslips. It was enough to make us kids shit our pants , was definitely the fastest car in the school lot even if he bought it that way.
There is a stock 68 Hurst Olds (with patina) on RUclips that runs a 12.91 against a 454HO Trans Am. This one is running quite right...timing, carb...something.
I had a dark green Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with green vinyl roof in 1973. It had a 350 4 barrel with 2 speed automatic. The speedometer went up to 120 mph. I had the speedometer at the 6 o'clock position. Probably around 130 mph. The 68's had nice tail lights. A nice car and it would lay rubber without any problem.
My 1/2-brother had a '66 GTO like this and took me for a ride in it. That ride made me a gear-head. I later built 'sleepers' that would put his GTO into the weeds. [Wink.] JMO.
Interesting result. Pontiac red lights, but it also gets the win light at the other end. Watch when the times come up on the board. The little white "win" light lights up on the Pontiac side....could be a malfunction at the drag strip.
?? For someone smarter than me... The Badge on the side of the GTO said 6.5 liter. Now I owned a Mayfair Maze 68 400ci Ram Air, & it wore the same Badge... My ? is.. Is the 389ci & the 400ci both considered 6.5 Liter?? I have been a PMD fan most my 53yrs, but never noticed that before. Or maybe I did and just forgot !! Lmao I did smoke alot of pot back in the day !!! Lmao
1 cubic liter = 61.024 cubic inches, so 389 cu in = 6.375 cubic liters while 400 cu in = 6.555 cubic liters. So it seems that Pontiac rounded up a little for the 389 and down a little for the 400 ... which they later labeled as 6.6L on T/As.
@@robertbeirne9813 Excellent point! I forgot the 400's had "400" decals on the shaker, not 6.6L. Thanks for reminding me and clarifying that for others!
@@robertbeirne9813 The 6.6L decal was used on Pontiac 400's from 77 on. It's was a result of Smoke in the Bandit movie car which effectively became the 77 proto type.
As I recall, in PSMCD, cars can have a 2.5" exhaust pipe. However, looking at the video at 4:45, the Olds clearly doesn't have 2.5" pipes?! That would make a huge difference in power! Anyhoo, two absolutely amazing cars!
@@badgerbait8351 The olds W Z manifolds are are a good design they have individual runners cast into them like a shorty header but the collector outlet is to small being only 2 1/4''. I have been told that a strong high performance street and strip olds 455 will pick up 40-50h.p. with long tubes and 3'' . I run a 488 stroker olds powered G body that is pretty mild and I am running the manifolds still because headers cost 1500 and american racing is the only company making them now. I might upgrade to a thorton shorty header with a 2 1/2'' collector but won't gain like long tubes. Ran 12.7 @107 through manifolds but there is still a lot left to gain. You should see the manifolds on non high performance 455's there are a log manifold and the drivers side connects to the passenger side then goes out. Passenger manifold has a inlet and a outlet. There is a lot to gain on the exhaust side of these motors starting at the head exhaust ports they flow poorly and with smog J heads they are even worse. I played with a junk yard 1976 8:1 smog 455 with J heads in my G body for a bit, It was only rated at 190h.p. I put on the better WZ manifolds a performer intake added a bunch of timing and had it tuned perfect and pulled off 13.8 @96.7 which is quicker than the hurst just did with a junk yard 455 smog motor with unknown miles and pure stock internals shifted at 4700rpm. The heads have the exhaust ports joined in two parts in the center cylinders. The worst thing about Olds big blocks are the exhaust side of things and having a tiny bore and long stroke they are hard to get to flow because of small valves and horrible exhaust port design. They also have these air bumps cast into the head I could go on all day about.
@@wildrosegarage4208 They really do look like a good flowing manifold! BTW, I just finished installing a mildly built 455 (C heads w/oversized valves, 9.5:1 cr, .226/.230 @ .050 cam, etc.) and purchased a set of Mondello Performance Products headers, and I was pleasantly surprised with the quality and fit! I think they were just over $700.00.
Yippeeeeeee, yeahhhhh babbyyy!! My fav cars close to heart here shown face off with each other!! Always I used to get mad about decent 68 Hurst! I used to correct people 68 Hurst is much gorgeous than your Chevelle! More manly and handsome!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️68 Hurst ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Weight with driver 3,695lbs. less than my ex's late 06-2007 Lexus ES350 with my 225+ pounds, the Olds weighed 3,924 with driver, curb weight without any fluids, on the Lexus was 3,842 in that option package still quite a bit less than an economy executive platform car that gets you no where in a rush with a 3.5L V6, that's short on the thrills
It's considered a big block but it got about the same bore as a 400 SBC breathing through the big valve SBC heads. The Pontiac engine isn't a big block and it's physically larger. It's kind of like the Ford FE blocks, basically a mid block.
Race a automatic against a manual trans in a drag race is the only way a Pontiac can beat a hurst olds in 68 there were only two automatic 68 hurst oldsmobiles made they were for women the rest were sticks and very much faster
My neighbor has an odd ball 68 Frog Shit green and black stripe Judge with the Tri Power set up. Ignites alotta arguments as to when the Judge actually came out and it was unusual with the stripe package. The car was allegedly a special order for some mucky mucky at IBM computers. There is a build sheet with the car and the original owners name attached to the owners manual. It was sold at Caralise car show to my neighbor summer of 1997. The car had a Calif title originally. The only thing not original on the car is the radio speakers and tires. I believe the shocks and exhaust are also not OEM it has some kind of funky rear resonators like the Bonnevilles had and glass pack mufflers which were not OEM stuff.
@@bw3506 u AIN'T KIDDING BUT THE BUILD SHEET IS AGES OLD SO IT AIN'T MADE UP. THERE IS ANOTHER FREAK RUNNING AROUND COOPERSBURG pa. SAME M.O. NOT A KNOWN SPECIES OF GTO BLUE AND WHITE STRIPES. GM MADE A FEW CUSTOM FREAKS... THEY R DOING WITH THE NEW SILVERADOS WITH THAT 2-TONE 70'S PAINT SCEME THING COOKED UP.SAME SHIT DIFF DAY... MAKES ME WONDER NOT LAUGH. THE BLUE AND WHITE GOAT IT'S NOT AN KNOWN GM BLUE COLOR CODE THAT I SAY FOR SURE... IS IT MADE UP A FAKE??? WHO THE HELL KNOWS AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS.
How can you not love both of these classics?! Olds was heavier, while the Goat was giving up a lot of cubes, but had steeper gearing and the 4 speed...awesome race! The '66 GTO was the best looking Goat Pontiac ever built, imo...beautiful car.
I agree with you on the “66”. There was nothing like it, and never will be. I was an Oldsmobile (4-4-2) man myself, but I did own a “66” for a short time.
@@gary9426 Non A/C '68 Hurst 442's came with 3:91 gears posi rear differentials. '68 Hurst 442's always had traction problems. I know that from experience because I had one.
@@sergeantmasson3669 I love the Hurst Olds...and the '68s are my favorite...more subtle, lol. Those 455s were torque monsters...too much power for those old school tires to handle! Glad you had the chance to own one...gotta love those '68s!
WOW, BOTH beautiful examples, seems the Olds was WAY down on MPH though, respectable times and the drivers knew how to make the best of the traction available
Growing up I was fortunate to experience first hand a 1969 442. My best friend had one. Actually his parents but we had it more than not. And theirs was just the 400 from what I remember at 390hp? Correct me if I'm wrong. Some serious torque just from my butt dyno! Lol. Edit, after watching video maybe it was a 455? I remember same rear at those numbers
@@therealhonestabe7839 SO? THats not what we have seen and HEARD over the last two years. If it continues well, they channel will have attrition. Is that clear enough Abe?
@@chrishill1286 Clear enough for everyone to realize what a crybaby simp you are. FYI, he didn't do the voice over for 2 years. Is that clear enough Chris?
@@therealhonestabe7839 you know? You're a real DICK!!! Get a life.. People just aren't fans of the NO Commentary, they've come to love.. Just SHUT THE FEK UP ALREADY!! JESUS!!
Just as a suggestion, regarding the price you should not say the cost “today”. I think it should be mentioned like in 2021. You keep in mind your videos is going to be seen for years.
Figuring it was just generic inflation numbers. For those prices all you would get are the bottom end cars needing a total restoration. If you could even find either of those models in poor condition.
I liked them both, but I was partial to the 4-4-2 because there wasn’t as many around. I think I was the only kid in high school with a 4-4-2. Everyone else was running around in Chevelle’s ,GTO’s & Camaro’s.
Godday C & Z, That is a top race, considering the ET on the Poncho it should of got in the 13's for sure, & such smooth shifting you would of thought it was a auto box. Those bad ass Hurst Old's, the first original BB GM A Bodies, before Yenko & Nicky & the likes. So underrated & unappreciated because it isn’t a Chev. Dr Old's build a lean & mean machine & @ 500 ft lbs of torque it was more torque than a Hemi. If only Oldsmobile went NASCAR racing with it then it would be considered a legend. Great race, beautiful Poncho there interior design is so beautiful with the chrome. Keep the great videos coming 👍 Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
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389 against 455 VERY respectable ! I still have a 66 GTO convertible since new weighs in @ 3990 lbs NO PASSENGER, running a 66 421 HO with headers 433 gears, best time 12.42 @ 111 mph. I have the time slips too prove !!
I bought the 66 GTO when I got out of Nam , wish I still had it!!!
@@tomcomiskey6350 When I returned home (second tour) from Vietnam in 1969 (medevac duty), I built a '57 Ford Custom 2 dr sedan street legal NHRA E/G, E/MP, D/G drag car that set two records and won 3 class championships. I also bought a new all options yellow 1969 Boss 302 Mustang from TASCA Ford in RI. I still have both cars today and both are registered and driven quite often.
Love it
Stock hurst olds 4 speed was faster than that low 12s high 11s if you knew how to drive it
Two of my favorite branches of gm! Why gm? Just why? The car world isnt the same without olds and pontiac.
Decades of bad management. We're not selling enough coupes? Well forget making them better just let Nissan have all the sales. Now we're not selling enough sedans? Let the sales go to Hyundai, Kia, and Toyota. We don't have time to make cars people want.
I also blame auto mags that spent forever pooping on anything American. Not to mention them constantly comparing say, a $25k American car vs a $50k foreign car and then saying the American car was cheap.
@@reaperthemad8731 I'm a Pontiac guy myself. The mismanagement of Pontiac started as far back as the 1970's. GM wanted to increase sales so they tried to make them more like Chevy. They didn't realize that people bought Pontiacs precisely because they WEREN'T Chevy. It takes a special kind of stupid to let brands with as much charisma as Pontiac and Olds fall by the wayside.
But yeah, you're right. GM didn't even care until Toyota passed them in sales. By then it was too late.
GM had the opportunity to sell Pontiac, Saturn into private hands, Olds would of maybe followed the same way. But GM decided to let them die out instead. Penske wanted Pontiac, I would of loved to see their modern interpretation of the GTO, or a Olds 442. These brands are instead g o n e . GM is to blame.
@@billyhndrsn4542 That's correct as well. I heard that Penske wanted Saturn, but who would have given up an opportunity to own Pontiac too?! My opinion is that GM at least knew that, in the right hands, a correctly run Pontiac/Olds/Saturn brand would have sent original GM running to the hills, so they let them die out instead.
That is 4 sure. My Lemans with the Pontiac 350 and 2-4bbls used to clean house where I grew up.
Not the same without the voice commentary...the passion just isn't there...
Hope you're well brother...please comment on the videos...
YUP! I HOPE HES OK..wonder whos posting his videos?
Bubba from county.... Lol. I think RUclips stepped on his style, IMO.
@@dirtbike9003 I HOPE NOT! Jack Vale films does farting and indecent shit all the time! lmao..but hope this dude comes back real soon, as iw as saying in previous post this channel is not better than the original FAST racing series channel..Boooorrriinnng..
@@dirtbike9003 I just don't understand that stupid opinion. RUclips doesn't give a flying F what channels do. You seriously think they even know a channel with under 30K subs is making fart jokes? Dumb.
@@therealhonestabe7839 what's dumb is thinking any of us isn't being watched...
The Hurst Olds 442 W30 is my all time favorite vintage muscle car! My father owned one, and I've been in love with them ever since! My dream is to own one one day
Love them both but my first old muscle car was a 68 442.. and I love the ultra rare 68 hurst olds! Rocket power!! :)
Have a 75 jet boat with a 455 rocket. 😏
LOVE the GTO!!!!!!!!
Well I love the Olds!!!
I knew it was going to be a toss up, considering the weight, hp, and gearing.
yea me 2
Over the years I've owned 389s and 455s
Both are bullit proof torque monsters from
When GM was great.
Hey Bob, what kind of gas mileage do these cars get?
@@OpenRoader Howdy partner!
Back in the day, had a 59 Starchief Pontiac with the 389/ hydramatic 4 speed auto. With a good tune up this old heavy girl avg around 15 mpg. Now the GTO i had was 389 3 duces 4 speed ,safety trac posi
Lumpy cam closer to 11 mpg.
70 Cutlass had 360 hp 455 with 400 turbo hydramatic (3 sp) 3.73 posi
Got bout 15 mpg... unless leadfoot occurs lol. A lot of us used the later overdrive automatics to get better mpg. But hey ya don't drive old big blocks for mileage. I call it smiles per gallon.👍😎🏁
@@unclebob7937 15 mpg isn't bad really. That's still a useable daily driver. I could see a six pack drinking the fuel. An over drive might bring you 17mpg? Maybe? Thanks for the reply. Big block fun for sure
@@OpenRoader Another comment. Those old pre smog big blocks don't need mods to make a great cruiser/hot rod. Where small ohc engines like to rev high, the old motors were all about torque witch came on 1500 thru 3500 rpm. No reason to rev these over 4500.
@@unclebob7937 Thanks for the additional info!
Now that’s a close race!
Thanks for the race, darn close! Based on times, these are both very close to stock. Take care, stay safe 👍
I thought the Hurst might outrun the Goat by more than that. But it looks like the 4 speed gave it the extra legs just before the traps. Love the simple and straightforward nature of these 2 cars. Not a lot of crazy colors, spoilers, air dams etc that just add weight.
I have a 455 Olds Modifiedm Dual Exhaust with H Pipe. All the way Back. Silent But Deadly. Ate alot ofMustangs, Vets and even the first Porche V8. Pontiacs have the Same silent Treatment.
Nice job out there on the race 5.0 is quite fast but it could not hang with a modded.buick grand national
Hope C&Z ain’t takin it up the tailpipe in prison.... Miss the humor!!
That's a very strange fantasy you have.
Just trying to fill in. No fartstho
I always preferred the earlier "silent" videos. Gave me more of a feeling of "being there". Nice to see that format return. Thanks you C's & Z's.
white guys get to liking it up the tailpipe right quick. like a duck to water
@@NoPrivateProperty only liberal men. But that's the only way thier woman will give them any.
I love that 66 GTO
Me too!!!
Sad, back in the days, even about 10-15 years ago, those stands would have been filled with enthusiasts and spectators. Now everyone is too busy on their stupid phones and nobody knows how to do shit, least of all work on cars.
They arent full because people with attitudes like yours scared them off.
I’m afraid Gilbert is 100 % CORRECT!
@@bk14nyc Gilbert is a condescending a-hole and exactly the reason why young people don't want to associate with the older population. When I was a kid the old guys were great... very welcoming and fun to talk to. Now old men are insecure jerks.
THIS IS BULLSHIT C&Z!! NO C&Z COMMENTARY AND QUIPS!? You know, I sent Jay Leno hate mail because I love your channel and videos so much. WTF DUDE!? COME BACK!!
Got your Goat????? Mine too...
Nice battle of GM brothers;-)
Too much gear in the goat. 3.90 is ideal for drag Pontiac with Stock heads.
Even 4.10s would be better than damn 4.33s !! But I agree 3.90s or even 3.73s IMO would go down better!!
Mph says different, maybe because GTO had a 4spd manual and 66 less cubes had something to do with it. Also was last year for tri-power cause of the difficulty to tune.
Figuring 28 inch tall tires, which on 14 inch rims and 70 profile tires, which is probably about what they are, that puts the GTO at about 5200 rpms at the finish. Its top speed probably wouldn't be but a few mph higher, but I figure that's about perfect for that 389 to still be pulling at the traps but almost topped out. The engineers who designed these cars knew what they were doing. Sure you could get a 3.23 gear if you wanted a top speed monster or probably 4.88 or lower if you were doing 1/8 miles drags, but optimum 1/4 runs was what they were going for.
@@nealcausey9395 The MPH difference supports your thoughts.
My buds ol 67 rocked with 3.90s.
It was 400 (supposedly)set up to ram air 4 spec and the good 670 heads.
Th-400 trans though.
The guy he got it from had a few 12.3-12.4 timeslips.
It was enough to make us kids shit our pants , was definitely the fastest car in the school lot even if he bought it that way.
LOVE them BOTH!
DeLorean made a monster!
There is a stock 68 Hurst Olds (with patina) on RUclips that runs a 12.91 against a 454HO Trans Am. This one is running quite right...timing, carb...something.
I had a dark green Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with green vinyl roof in 1973. It had a 350 4 barrel with 2 speed automatic.
The speedometer went up to 120 mph. I had the speedometer at the 6 o'clock position. Probably around 130 mph.
The 68's had nice tail lights. A nice car and it would lay rubber without any problem.
Both cars! Awesome!
love seeing factory stock muscle car running the strip
I think that the Olds had a plug wire fall off or the Goat is passing a 421 off as a 389. 😐
Who remembers a 65 or 66 GTO that had a SOHC 6cylinder with either a 4bbl or dual 2bbl carbs
Love the Red Walls!
My 1/2-brother had a '66 GTO like this and took me for a ride in it. That ride made me a gear-head. I later built 'sleepers' that would put his GTO into the weeds. [Wink.] JMO.
This is my dream race.
nice listen to that mechanical heart beating in that Olds the cam makes it sound so sweet like it has soul cars today don't sound like this
Digging the no dialogue videos
That 1966 GTO's MSRP was $.86/lb.
A 2006 GTO's MSRP was $8.89/lb.
Cheap stripped GTO build for racing vs a luxury Old's torque monster. That drives way nicer...
whats with the red fender wells ??????
That Hurst Olds is downright nasty.
That's funny: the cars actually ran slower than original testing decades ago.
You would think these two sweet cars could get 13.50 easily with some tweaks.
Man them 60 s GM cars bad ass and look good
Drooling 😍
Interesting result.
Pontiac red lights, but it also gets the win light at the other end.
Watch when the times come up on the board. The little white "win" light lights up on the Pontiac side....could be a malfunction at the drag strip.
The 442 had a very low MPH too and he didn't let off either.
@@aphil4581 Carb might need a little tuning.
A real hurst olds in 68 was a 4 speed manual
Looks like the Olds shut down just a little early.
dude where’s the voice?
?? For someone smarter than me... The Badge on the side of the GTO said 6.5 liter. Now I owned a Mayfair Maze 68 400ci Ram Air, & it wore the same Badge... My ? is.. Is the 389ci & the 400ci both considered 6.5 Liter?? I have been a PMD fan most my 53yrs, but never noticed that before. Or maybe I did and just forgot !! Lmao I did smoke alot of pot back in the day !!! Lmao
1 cubic liter = 61.024 cubic inches, so 389 cu in = 6.375 cubic liters while 400 cu in = 6.555 cubic liters. So it seems that Pontiac rounded up a little for the 389 and down a little for the 400 ... which they later labeled as 6.6L on T/As.
@@jasonescott T/A’s labeled 6.6L, were Olds 403’s, ironically enough.
@@robertbeirne9813 Excellent point! I forgot the 400's had "400" decals on the shaker, not 6.6L. Thanks for reminding me and clarifying that for others!
@@jasonescott Thnx for the 411
@@robertbeirne9813 The 6.6L decal was used on Pontiac 400's from 77 on. It's was a result of Smoke in the Bandit movie car which effectively became the 77 proto type.
Where's the commentary?? That was my second favorite thing about the videos, the cars come fitst lol. Except a FoRd...
Ok !! Without finishing ( paused ) Video Iam gonna go with the GTO ! BUT It'll probably be the HURST !! HERE GOES ( continuing on )
As I recall, in PSMCD, cars can have a 2.5" exhaust pipe. However, looking at the video at 4:45, the Olds clearly doesn't have 2.5" pipes?! That would make a huge difference in power! Anyhoo, two absolutely amazing cars!
Wouldn't make a difference because the high performance olds manifolds have only 2 1/4'' outlets. I run a olds.
@@wildrosegarage4208 What a horrible thing to do to a big cube muscle car!
@@badgerbait8351 The olds W Z manifolds are are a good design they have individual runners cast into them like a shorty header but the collector outlet is to small being only 2 1/4''. I have been told that a strong high performance street and strip olds 455 will pick up 40-50h.p. with long tubes and 3'' . I run a 488 stroker olds powered G body that is pretty mild and I am running the manifolds still because headers cost 1500 and american racing is the only company making them now. I might upgrade to a thorton shorty header with a 2 1/2'' collector but won't gain like long tubes. Ran 12.7 @107 through manifolds but there is still a lot left to gain. You should see the manifolds on non high performance 455's there are a log manifold and the drivers side connects to the passenger side then goes out. Passenger manifold has a inlet and a outlet. There is a lot to gain on the exhaust side of these motors starting at the head exhaust ports they flow poorly and with smog J heads they are even worse. I played with a junk yard 1976 8:1 smog 455 with J heads in my G body for a bit, It was only rated at 190h.p. I put on the better WZ manifolds a performer intake added a bunch of timing and had it tuned perfect and pulled off 13.8 @96.7 which is quicker than the hurst just did with a junk yard 455 smog motor with unknown miles and pure stock internals shifted at 4700rpm. The heads have the exhaust ports joined in two parts in the center cylinders. The worst thing about Olds big blocks are the exhaust side of things and having a tiny bore and long stroke they are hard to get to flow because of small valves and horrible exhaust port design. They also have these air bumps cast into the head I could go on
all day about.
@@wildrosegarage4208 They really do look like a good flowing manifold! BTW, I just finished installing a mildly built 455 (C heads w/oversized valves, 9.5:1 cr, .226/.230 @ .050 cam, etc.) and purchased a set of Mondello Performance Products headers, and I was pleasantly surprised with the quality and fit! I think they were just over $700.00.
Are the GTO tri-power setup allowed to be all linkage instead of vacuum in that class? That makes a HUGE difference in how the 389 tri runs.
Where is the commentator? He makes these videos.
Yippeeeeeee, yeahhhhh babbyyy!! My fav cars close to heart here shown face off with each other!! Always I used to get mad about decent 68 Hurst! I used to correct people 68 Hurst is much gorgeous than your Chevelle! More manly and handsome!!
❤️❤️❤️❤️68 Hurst ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The 68 Hurst Olds wow black/gray only, it says 390hp but for insurance cost down I bet it was about 450hp
Weight with driver 3,695lbs. less than my ex's late 06-2007 Lexus ES350 with my 225+ pounds, the Olds weighed 3,924 with driver, curb weight without any fluids, on the Lexus was 3,842 in that option package still quite a bit less than an economy executive platform car that gets you no where in a rush with a 3.5L V6, that's short on the thrills
Did I see a little puff of smoke from the right tailpipe of the Olds?
4:33 rear gears NOT stock for that GTO. Equal gearing, the W30 Hurst Olds wins every time
Could Cars and Zebras record a race between a 69 LeMans 350 HO vs a 69 Cutlass 350 ???
What for an muffler use the olds !???
Looks like a bunch of Pontiac crybabies in the comments. Nothing unexpected there.
HA HA! Fade to black. Love it.
Even more hilarious without the commentary... just read the comments for a laugh. 👀
I won't be watching anymore if he can't even say why he doesn't do the commentary anymore. Good luck!
So you think you are entitled to his personal business?
If it would’ve been a 421 it would’ve won.
Yes! H/O !
So much better without the commenting and silly humor! I love the subtitles and the sounds of the engines and ambient noise/chatter.
I don’t mind the the humor but I much prefer this style.
NO COMMENTARY !!!!
WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN NOT TO MESS WITH PERFECTION ....
BRING BACK MR POTTY MOUTH AND LEAVE THE FORMAT ALONE !!!!!!!!
Hurst sounds Ratty ( it is a Big Block after all ) LOLOLOLHAHA
It's considered a big block but it got about the same bore as a 400 SBC breathing through the big valve SBC heads. The Pontiac engine isn't a big block and it's physically larger. It's kind of like the Ford FE blocks, basically a mid block.
just not the same without the funny stuff.
Commentary please!
Race a automatic against a manual trans in a drag race is the only way a Pontiac can beat a hurst olds in 68 there were only two automatic 68 hurst oldsmobiles made they were for women the rest were sticks and very much faster
There is no replacement for displacement.
The 4:33 rear gear was the big difference in the GTO. The cutlass has the 455 Torque Monster!
And the gto is 300 pound lighter !
Did anyone else hear 4th gear tire chirp?
Yep I heard it
I heard it!!!
My neighbor has an odd ball 68 Frog Shit green and black stripe Judge with the Tri Power set up. Ignites alotta arguments as to when the Judge actually came out and it was unusual with the stripe package. The car was allegedly a special order for some mucky mucky at IBM computers. There is a build sheet with the car and the original owners name attached to the owners manual. It was sold at Caralise car show to my neighbor summer of 1997. The car had a Calif title originally. The only thing not original on the car is the radio speakers and tires. I believe the shocks and exhaust are also not OEM it has some kind of funky rear resonators like the Bonnevilles had and glass pack mufflers which were not OEM stuff.
@@thekingsilverado9004 bet that FSG color on the order form couldn't be passed up! Literally made me laugh out loud on that one.
@@bw3506 u AIN'T KIDDING BUT THE BUILD SHEET IS AGES OLD SO IT AIN'T MADE UP. THERE IS ANOTHER FREAK RUNNING AROUND COOPERSBURG pa. SAME M.O. NOT A KNOWN SPECIES OF GTO BLUE AND WHITE STRIPES. GM MADE A FEW CUSTOM FREAKS... THEY R DOING WITH THE NEW SILVERADOS WITH THAT 2-TONE 70'S PAINT SCEME THING COOKED UP.SAME SHIT DIFF DAY... MAKES ME WONDER NOT LAUGH. THE BLUE AND WHITE GOAT IT'S NOT AN KNOWN GM BLUE COLOR CODE THAT I SAY FOR SURE... IS IT MADE UP A FAKE??? WHO THE HELL KNOWS AFTER ALMOST 50 YEARS.
How can you not love both of these classics?! Olds was heavier, while the Goat was giving up a lot of cubes, but had steeper gearing and the 4 speed...awesome race! The '66 GTO was the best looking Goat Pontiac ever built, imo...beautiful car.
Yes I had a 65 . The little changes from the 64 made it look really good .
I agree with you on the “66”. There was nothing like it, and never will be. I was an Oldsmobile (4-4-2) man myself, but I did own a “66” for a short time.
@@tleav61 Love those 4-4-2's from the '60s!
@@gary9426 Non A/C '68 Hurst 442's came with 3:91 gears posi rear differentials. '68 Hurst 442's always had traction problems. I know that from experience because I had one.
@@sergeantmasson3669 I love the Hurst Olds...and the '68s are my favorite...more subtle, lol. Those 455s were torque monsters...too much power for those old school tires to handle! Glad you had the chance to own one...gotta love those '68s!
Great race! I certainly hope the bean counters at GM lost their jobs for cutting these two lines.
Hoping the narration and silly humor returns to the videos. It is missed.
It won’t return. He’s obviously gone back to his original video style. And David, if you haven’t noticed, I’m right again.
Two gorgeous vehicles and two lucky owners.
How does that 4-speed GTO keep its nose up in the air the whole track? I kept waiting to see the nose drop on a shift. None.
The old 90/10 drag shocks. Go up easy, stiff coming down.
@@billdicicco That's what she said
Come on C&Z, my wife has given me less silent treatment 😂 That Hurst 455 was sweeeeeet!
Back when GM built excitement.
WOW, BOTH beautiful examples, seems the Olds was WAY down on MPH though, respectable times and the drivers knew how to make the best of the traction available
The humor and silly commentary is what brought me to this channel don't watch much anymore srry.
For those of us that are reading impaired, can you leave the captions up a bit longer?
Lol the gto won LOL
The 390 hp 455 should be racing a 69 Grand Prix 390hp 428 4speed
Growing up I was fortunate to experience first hand a 1969 442. My best friend had one. Actually his parents but we had it more than not. And theirs was just the 400 from what I remember at 390hp? Correct me if I'm wrong. Some serious torque just from my butt dyno! Lol. Edit, after watching video maybe it was a 455? I remember same rear at those numbers
That goat is badass!!!
What do you call that tuning device the 66 gto has hanging in it ?
Sorry for whatever is happening brother. I enjoy these blasts from my days. Take care now, we miss you.
He's social distancing ! Just in case you can spread covid-19 over the Interweb !
Why are you assuming something is wrong? This is how all of his original videos were.
@@therealhonestabe7839 SO? THats not what we have seen and HEARD over the last two years. If it continues well, they channel will have attrition. Is that clear enough Abe?
@@chrishill1286 Clear enough for everyone to realize what a crybaby simp you are. FYI, he didn't do the voice over for 2 years. Is that clear enough Chris?
@@therealhonestabe7839 you know? You're a real DICK!!! Get a life.. People just aren't fans of the NO Commentary, they've come to love..
Just SHUT THE FEK UP ALREADY!! JESUS!!
'68 Hurst Olds 442 always had a traction problem. I know that from experience because I had one.
Just as a suggestion, regarding the price you should not say the cost “today”. I think it should be mentioned like in 2021. You keep in mind your videos is going to be seen for years.
SHAD AP !!
All the person has to do is look when the video was posted. Too hard to do ???
@@dhart8451 pretty easy to do. It would be more accurate though.
@@m.pietro9087 And you're probably the reason he has completely distanced himself from this channel.
Figuring it was just generic inflation numbers. For those prices all you would get are the bottom end cars needing a total restoration. If you could even find either of those models in poor condition.
Olds Red Lighted GTO For The Win 🏆👍😎
ICH SEETH IT LOOK LIKE GTO WENT AHED OF THAT OLDS ACROSS FINISH LINE:
GTO SEEM TO CATCH UP IN CLOSE RACE SOON AFTER STARTING LINE:
My bro had a 66GTO with 400 tri power it sang along,I never was a oldsmobile lover
I liked them both, but I was partial to the 4-4-2 because there wasn’t as many around. I think I was the only kid in high school with a 4-4-2. Everyone else was running around in Chevelle’s ,GTO’s & Camaro’s.
Lots of power no brakes ya baby ya
Oldsmobile is the underdog 💪
Both cars say a statement this is the U.S.A.
I'd love to have both cars
Godday C & Z,
That is a top race, considering the ET on the Poncho it should of got in the 13's for sure, & such smooth shifting you would of thought it was a auto box.
Those bad ass Hurst Old's, the first original BB GM A Bodies, before Yenko & Nicky & the likes.
So underrated & unappreciated because it isn’t a Chev.
Dr Old's build a lean & mean machine & @ 500 ft lbs of torque it was more torque than a Hemi.
If only Oldsmobile went NASCAR racing with it then it would be considered a legend.
Great race, beautiful Poncho there interior design is so beautiful with the chrome.
Keep the great videos coming 👍
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Port Melbourne
14.01et with 400 335hp /400turbo with minor carb remetering '67 GTO convt on 14" whitewalls
. huh .
Both wicked nice cars we got nothing but snow on the ground here so No shenanigans for another few months.
Let's take a survey. Who would you like to be the replacement commenter. I'd like Uncle Tony of Utg or Daryl from Vice grip.
Uncle Tony is the king of the boomers