The Reality Of Climate Change | The Problem With Jon Stewart | Apple TV+
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2022
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In this video exclusive conversation, Jon is joined by New York Magazine editor and author David Wallace-Wells to break down how the countries that feel the most damage from climate change are often those least responsible, how America was built on the industries that are killing the planet, and how realistic our plans for net zero really are.
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More people seriously need to watch The Problem. Having Jon back as a voice is just a breath of fresh air from all the craziness. Just nothing but quality information from the podcast to these episodes.
No thanks... he's always been an ass and having viewed this, he still is.
Did he address the effect that climate policies would have on the third world, especially somewhere like India whom coal was foisted upon by the british and are now reliant upon? Millions, if not billions would starve. Did they talk about how to rectify that? Yea, didn't think so. This is all mental midget stuff, just junk food for your mind. Eat better. Research, find the truth. It's always far more nuanced than what we are given.
Roger that.
@@vj5691 wow... I got a bridge to sell you!
"A breath of fresh air" .... no pun intended.
As always Jon, thank you!
Wars, Climate, AI, Pandemics; GREED, we need to keep these conversations open & coming ~
So important!
I find it hard to believe that anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of human nature thinks we (as a group) will do anything about the climate problem until it is far, far, too late.
Agreed. Especially since the rich will relocate to places not affected by climate change. Yet poor indigenous islanders around the planet and other poor peoples lives will just become more miserable 😩. I’m glad I won’t be around.
It already is but people with a conscience wish it wasn't. And if wishes were horses...
Perhaps but climate change and requirements for new sources of energy push human beings to evolve in deep history, so maybe we will figure out how to do new things, in new ways. I think this sort of pessimism is a huge, HUGE, obstacle to addressing climate change, because people like you cynically say: “oh we’ll never be able to do anything to address climate change,” and then that gives big business, government and individuals a free pass to give up.
@@ziziroberts8041 ...we'd all be eatin' steak. 😉
We need thanos ?
Mr. Stewart.. I am a man of many words, you consistently leave me speechless. I am 61 years old, I have been on the Shakespeare stage many times, played way too much rock and roll., and now I am struggling my ass off with chem 51 and bio 6... Yep, back in college. At my old, scancky age, I have decided to become a marine biologist... gonna swim and talk with the Dolphins..I have sat in more lectures than i choose to admit. The single thing that i have taken away from all this.. By far, the best teachers are the ones that can weave your knowledge into a tapestry of true understanding... You got that, man.. My friends call me Dr. Venom. I do not give out praise lightly...
Had we listened to Jimmy Carter 45 years ago, we'd not be over the tipping point of today.
Well he shouldn’t have suggested that we commit the cardinal sin of *checks notes* wearing a sweater in the winter.
Carter was underrated.
Thanks Reagan. The worst president.
Carter was great, he also wanted all electric buried...
Drive 55, thermostats at 65 F.
We humans are doomed, but mother earth will have peace.
"Moving in the right direction is not enough because we've really just run out of time."
Most people think. "I hope they save us from climate change without disrupting my routine too much." Every year, as the man says, it gets further away from possible and requires more from us
no...most people know it's bullshit.
@r33mote getting upset over curse words when we are discussing something as serious as climate change makes you the child, actually.
@@FinalBossWTMN He's not having a discussion, he's being crass and dismissive. That's not adult behavior.
@@FinalBossWTMN spoken like a true child
Saving us from the climate change hoax is what is disrupting our lives.
Always like watching future president Stewart.
I get Jon's perspective on how hard it is to square with "legacy emissions" from fossil fuel companies, who really did advance our civilizations through energy production. Except that their emissions and the harm caused by them in the longer term is still ongoing, still accumulating in our atmosphere, our, water, and the soil. Not only has it been going unchecked, THEY KNEW about it, and instead of taking their billions of dollars and shoving it into R&D, developing new carbon-free energy, or investing it in renewable sources and better tech, they went and used it on stock buybacks, and enriched their shareholders. They also slowed progress on EVs, cold fusion exploration, renewable energy, and They bought out politicians, funded governments and autocrats, and used them to fight wars over control of this resource.
Yes, the arc of history is long and bends away from us over the horizon line, so we can be forgiven for our short-sightedness. But when they decided that the status quo was more convenient and beneficial to their bottom line, they crossed the line into outright deception, lying to the public and environmental experts who were aware of the problem they were contributing to. Instead of being at the forefront of innovation and technological advancement, they decided that billions of people dying thanks to their product was equal in measure to the rising price of their stock portfolios. Jon may not want to "demonize" them, but I certainly think they should be shamed, ridiculed, harassed, fined and jailed for knowingly harming our chances at having a livable planet in 50 years time. The products of oil, gas, and petroleum products are not inherently evil, but a company that makes that product essential to the daily function of modern life to the exclusion of all others, while also failing to address its dangers and damages, can certainly earn that distinction.
It was not the design of the oil companies to destroy ecosystems and throw indigenous peoples off their land, but that byproduct should come with a cost to them, socially, financially, and retroactively. To reduce the ongoing pain, suffering, and hardship to a simple "byproduct" of their business practice is beyond insensitive. Yes, we owe much of what we have now to fossil fuel extraction, but obviously the trade off is and is going to be far more costly than the perks we got as a result of burning oil, coal, and gas.
'The Dead Don't Die' is a movie that's great at focussing on the legacy issues which remain from America's 'Golden Age' in the 50s and 60s. Back then 99.999% of people were unaware their daily actions could contribute to a climate catastrophe or wars in lands many miles away from them. Often, wars were/are over resources that American companies want to exploit, but sometimes they're because the American gov needs to reinforce the oil trade in dollars to keep the reserve currency status, and ability to borrow trillions to finance further wars.
Today we know about it, but instead of repeatedly contacting our senators and representatives demanding changes which incentivize industry taking their billions of dollars and shoving it into R&D, developing new carbon-free energy, or investing it in renewable sources and better tech, we watch mindless tv and argue about masks.
I would say that your arguments are basically sound. Except for your comment about impeding research into cold fusion.
'Twas not the oil companies killed cold fusion, 'twas the science. Laws be laws and it breaks 2 of them. The initial report led to a flurry of attempts to repeat the result and it was eventually disclaimed and withdrawn. It was not a case of fraud but a mixture of experimental design - both physiochemical and operational, and signal noise and exuberance at surely having garnered a Nobel prize they quickly published and were initially lauded. The story tells us more about scientists and their culture than it does about the fusion of nuclei.
Spot on, BrokeredHeart (though I can’t comment on the cold fusion bit).
The western world owes a lot of its prosperity to the slave trade, as well.
Should we also be grateful to the people in charge of that for what we have today?
No? Because they were greedy monsters who became ridiculously wealthy profiting from human misery?
In that case: fuck the petroleum companies.
Woow well said
I am so glad to hear the truth spoken. Yes, it is tragic for humanity that we delayed actually addressing climate change issues for so long. There are so many lost opportunities, at the same time that perhaps renewable energy solutions might gain more adoption.
The world needs more Davids. Thanks so much for this, John and David. I think John is right here and we should plan for the worst while hoping for the best. Personally, I don't trust humanity to do the right thing if there's a lazy thing to try first. I also don't trust humanity when there's a profit motive. Right now, efforts to study and address this crisis are being thwarted, simply because someone can make more money if things remain as they are (looking at you, Chucky Koch). Give a man a choice between the right thing and the greedy thing and he'll choose the greedy thing nine times out of ten.
You know he's just a historian right? He's not a climate scientist. Not to say that we aren't in serious trouble, but his take that we should just let this thing roll and not even bother to try is based on his opinion and not on science
@@lamiagumbo
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We need honest government action to change that money equation.
There is always a profit motive. Profit isn't just about money. There is no perfect state or government that doesn't have individuals within it that operate according to some principle other than what they perceive benefits them. Even when people act to the benefit of others without seeking any praise or acknowledgment, it is to alleviate a felt need to do so and the profit is to calm this feeling they have.
I trust those least who think they are better humans who can come up with the right choices to give other people. You don't know half of what you think you know, and what you think you know is a small fraction of knowledge other humans know much less what is potentially knowable.
A few predictions by “scientist”
1988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years
1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019
2004: Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020
Love this episode. I wouldn't say stewart is cynical at all, just asking us all to take an honest assessment of ourselves in a mirror. We need to, because when the severe effects of climate change are here, the wealthiest and most powerful won't feel it in the same way we do.
tho Jon has been cynical on this issue before---as have most of us
Hahahahahahaha
I wouldn't say he's cynical, so much as defeated.
@@ChrisSham Not even defeated
A defeated man wouldn't bother asking the questions he does. He's just trying to find a way to get this idea to work in the face of human nature and in the face of powerfully-positioned people with incentive to block development that will fix these problems.
It's an understandable tack to take.
and you can foretell the future can you, eric bell? that's rhetorical and derisive. as in, you and everyone else knows fuck all about the future of the climate
Jon, run for office! We need you!!
We need Jon in politics like we need Hunter running bio-labs in Ukraine! Oh I forgot Biden invested in those labs and Hunter was a board member! Now that will kill more humans than climate change. LOL But the truth 2011 Fauci invest in China lab and Hunter sets up investment group to do the same research in Ukraine, facts not phantasy. EOD 2022
Jon’s humor allows the viewer of The Problem With Jon Stewart to digest the serious discussion each episode’s topics. Climate, pandemic, next up the food crisis world wide. Not to mention the current war in Ukraine.
What others have said is true. It is great to have Jon back with his new team to bring bring critical thinking mixed with Jon’s brand of humor to make each topic palatable. Who knows maybe these discussions in these episodes will inspire solutions. I hope so. Unfortunately, I am at bit on the dark side of cynical for many of these issues but it does provide a bit of hope.
If this a topic that interests listeners, I recommend checking out the first 8 podcast episodes of Breaking Down: Collapse. It's a podcast with two down to earth people discussing the struggles we will see in the future.
Thank you, I will check it out!
It's a really great podcast. Glad to see it being shared!
Thank you homie
noted, ty
I’m going to listen to this thank you for the recommendation.
On PBS program Nova, it showed how regular people barely made a dent in carbon emissions.
It's really the Top 100 corporations, ships and the United States military that makes up the bulk of it.
And military generals have sounded that alarm for the last 15 years as the greatest threat to national security.
Facebook, GOOGLE, AMZ , Apple and Microsoft are the top polluters?
@@AFuller2020 considering how much energy they use to make their products? Yeah, they'd be up there.
you do realize that we are ONLY increasing our consumption of coal, oil and gas, yes? i mean....how deep is your denial?
and Bitcoin is the worse culprit of all
David Wallace-Wells was amazing, the wealth of knowledge shared in this video with Jon was more enlightening than almost everything I've read on climate change. Thank you!
I once had someone explain the psychology of climate change to me as an addiction. She used the example of smoking. Ask anyone if they smoke? You will get one of two answers “yes” or “no”. If the answer is no, their reason will be something like is they know its bad for your health and want to protect them selves.
if the answer is “yes”, point out to them how bad this can be for them. You will likely will get one of 3 Responce’s. 1) I don’t believe it,its some kind of scam, Uncle Joe smoked 3 packs,and drank a quart of whisky every day and lived to a 100. 2) I know its bad, but I take care of myself in other ways and will be fine. 3) I know, I’m not feeling well and have been trying to quite. Notice that the first 2 groups together out number the 3rd.
Now look at the climate debate (there is not really a debate). 1) You have the Climate deniers, blaming science as a scam to make money. 2) Or they have changed all their light bulbs to LED, recycle their plastics to reduce their carbon foot print (this was easy), and then drive the 3/4 mile to the grocery store in their Escalade. 3) Or they have installed solar panels on the roof, drive a tesla, recycle everything and attend protests on the weekends.
We are all addicted to hydrocarbons. Politics is just about psychology, finding (or imagining) a rational to support an established point of view. In the 1950-60s nearly 60 percent of the adult population smoked in the US, now it’s something under 20 percent. it took decades of education in the schools and public media to get the younger population to not start. Getting the older population to quite was much harder. I think we are at that point of the 1960s where a small majority of the population is starting to see the climate situation for what truly it is. But as long as we have the group 1 and 2 are dominating seats in government progress will be slow. Unlike smoking where you can chose to do it or not, the climate requires us all to be on the same page. So how does group A make group B do something they don’t believe in, want to? I feel its starting to turn, but could still be decades to have the will too truly make the transition.
What you leave out is people who don't have the resources to make those changes those with that entitlement have. We already hear all the crap about being "self-sustainable" and telling people that everyone can be that degree of responsible. So, get busy and plan how those of us without the resources can exit this society without suffering. Many of us want out and deserve having a non-suffering way out.
I really appreciate the candor of the conversations you have, Jon. There are few people who have discussions like this. I'm hooked!
Wouldn't you rather have facts about the climate scam?
Same! I almost want to support apple to watch the show all the time! almost :/ ...
How do you like being sold a century old scare story? : The Washington Post - November 2, 1922 "Report on Global Warming."
Would you like the truth instead? It's a climate scam.
Thanks Jon, listening to your show is time well spent. Great guest, much appreciated.
Noppe, they lied to you.
You can say that we have to work on learning to live with climate change and that we've already learned to live with 1.2 degrees. Somewhat true. We're actually though not really dealing that well with storms, wildfires, extreme heat. The poor are bearing the majority of the pain and that will only get worse. And the real issue is that beyond 4 degrees all bets are off for humans...meaning the sort of planetary changes at that level of change will not only likely mean that homo sapiens disappear but that many other species will as well. Life on earth will likely bounce back as it has after other mass extinctions but we almost certainly will not. Dealing with is not enough. We have to reduce and end greenhouse emissions asap.
Transhumanists with genetic engineering tech could guide their own speciation and survive the end of homo sapiens sapiens.
LOLOLOLOLOL. you leftists WANT doom and gloom to occur. you're rooting for it
@@RobertMJohnson Upset because your rubles are losing value?
@@RobertMJohnson Nope. Has nothing to do with 'wanting doom' or anything else and everything to do with accepting reality. I accept the earth is spherical, gravity is real and the science overwhelmingly showing anthropogenic climate change is sound- and eventually CC will radically alter life on this planet. You may want to ignore or deny this and stick you head in the sand. Whatever. It's so odd to me that deniers will accept science when it suits their needs but reject the huge preponderance of evidence showing climate change is real. I'm actually rooting for you to be right..I wish that you were. But you aren't.
@@orsonhyde7002 anyone who thinks they can predict the future is arrogant and nothing more. there's no "science" to predicting a future of a system you can't even accurately predict 30 days out, as much as you emotionally feel there is.
you're a religious zealot and nothing more. the climate will be the same for the rest of your life, and I'll be chuckling at you and your obsessed cohort every 5-10 years as nothing happens.
When 35% to 40% of our populace still question Climate Change, I honestly don't know how ppl like David Wallace get up everyday and do the simply amazing work in continuing to sound the alarm and speak the truth in respect to blame allocation.
It's so easy to become jaded and say what's the point....
It's already too late and fools are talking of transition by 2050!
*Nuclear Radiation Is The Main Driver Of Heat, As CO2, Methane, And Water Holds It In The Atmosphere.*
The increased heat and nuclear incidents, test are directly related.
Great job. Keep the truth alive for humanity and the planet and all life 👍 👍 💖
What truth everything in that episode was a lie?
@@rev.brotherjohn2191 citation needed
Glad Jon asked such a knowledgeable person on the podcast, willing to disagree and correct the finer points of his views.
Knowledgeable?.... I got a bridge I want to sell you.
All lies. Wake up already.
I so appreciate people like David. Thanks for hosting him, Jon! You're awesome
Traitors pushing the climate scam on you.
You were lied to.
Thank you very much to David and Jon, I care a ton and hope the globe of people listens hard.
I'm always amazed at the lack of schooling people have attained when it comes to recognizing what the planet is capable of when it makes a small but necessary atmospheric adjustment. The atmospheric changes that occurred during the Permian Age wiped out 90% of life on the planet. It can happen quickly and catastrophically. We are fighting 500 years of criminal business growth.
We are fighting stupidity. And this is supposed to be a smart country.
but in our current ice age people do not understand the cycle which has been happening the last 2.5 million years. Previous ice ages have lasted from 25 - 350 million years. You could assume ours is just getting started. Some scientists believe our ice age is over, but we only have hypothesis on what causes the cycle. Given it was warmer during the last warm period with much of Florida underwater it seems like the earth can warm a bit more and be within norm. I completely agree humans have had a hand, I'm just not at all convinced that we have stopped what ever the natural process is that creates the cycle. We really should be also looking into what we should do if we return to glaciation- core samples have shown it has occurred in as little as a decade- imagine that.
We’re not fighting criminal business growth or stupidity. We’re fighting massive economic systems that are based on making our lives more comfortable. If no one wanted the things accomplished through coal, oil, and gas, we wouldn’t have been using coal oil and gas for hundreds of years. Literally the only way to have prevented this prior to renewable energy advancements would be to convince the world that everyone cannot have the comforts provided by coal oil and gas.
Now if we’re talking about the last 20 - 30 years, yea there’s some serious immoral activity going on at the detriment of humanity’s future… but even those people doing heinous things to stop climate change action are doing it for economic reasons. Which means they won’t stop until there are equal or better economic opportunities available. IE as long as profit margins on fossil fuels are more than profit margins through renewables, they won’t stop.
If you view all this as criminal or stupid you’re just pushing away the actual scary thought… that this is all consistent to what average people want. Every human has to make a living, every human wants to be warm in the winter, every human wants to be able to relax and travel a little, eat a meal with meat, have the freedom to go where they need to when they need to. Until very recently, the only way to have access to those comforts was to burn fossil fuels. It’s naive to think that if only people were smarter or less evil we wouldn’t be here. People are people. The industries who caused this weren’t stupid or evil. They were bringing us comforts the cheapest way they knew how.
@@poncedeoly469 wow, I finally found someone else who sees this the way I do. Global warming is a natural cycle. We don’t know where we are in the cycle, so how can we prove causation of human behavior to speeding up this cycle? Further, how can we be sure that a purposeful attempt to impact the global climate change cycle will not have unintended and negative consequences?
@@treadstonegaming6574 I think humans have made a detrimental impact for sure, not off the hook.
But we do know where we are in the cycle you read my comment, we are at the end of a warming cycle that started 15k years ago, give or take. This cycle has been the same for 2.5 million years in our current ice age.
This is what most people do not understand and even scientists are ignoring. The big question is will we return to a glaciation period or have humans stopped the process that triggers it. I'm guessing not, maybe we have delayed or even shortened the process. it could be that the warming reaches a point that it triggers the cooling because of massive amounts of moisture in air gets dropped as snow in northern climate which then reflects more heat then so on. but no scientists know why the cycle happens, only a hypothesis at this point, so for sure not enough proof we will not go back into cooling period.
but this by no means is license to keep polluting and destroying our habitat, that is just ignorant. we really should be preparing for sudden earth cooling as well as warming. if earth cooled we would be in as much if not more trouble.
Dear Jon, the Late great comedian George Carlin said it best "The Earth isn't going anywhere, we are".
The sooner the better, Humans God's biggest mistake.
Yes. In listening to people in the street interviews with Russians about Ukraine and asked about fears a nuclear war, an oft answer was also fatalistic.... even tho opposed to the 'special operation' several answers were; 'We all have to go sometime' ..
@@rev.brotherjohn2191 George also said there is no god.
humans will be around for a LONG long time, Rick
@@RobertMJohnson A few of us sure
Great discussion
So glad you're back Jon
Great content jon. So happy you are back
Greed will kill us all.
This is the best conversation on this topic I have ever heard in my life. Compelling!
There are far better podcasts/conversations around which are less superficial.
I remember David doing a book tour and this was so long ago and it is just too bad we don't have more men like him and Jon that actually are concerned about the world and society.
Thanks so much John and David.👍❗
The world is toast. Strap in folks!!
If Nuclear energy isn't in the discussion then it's not a real effort to curb pollution.
The problem is, we aren't doing the necessary research to take care of nuclear concerns. China is actually investing seriously in nuclear. Using the current tech as it stands is just lazy. We're 50 years behind on addressing all of our energy concerns due to oil company corruption.
I honestly think it's a wrap. It's like governments knowing a meteor is coming but there is no way to stop it, so why share that info. I think that's where we are. All the pretending many Corporate Dems do compared to their actions, shows it's all theater because their constituents care. They need it as an election talking point to gain power. Those who mean what they say are usually demonized. Republicans are all in with complete pollution and would dump oil on a bald eagle if they could get away with it.
@@robertnicholls9917 If it's a wrap, you have no excuse NOT to engage in terrorism! 😉
Nuclear is unspeakably polluting. Its DOA.
@@rogersmith7396 Not necessarily. There are very low-waste reactor designs, nowadays.
@@jingbot1071 It's a wrap but not in my lifetime, which is why the people destroying the planet and siding with those ghouls don't care. They'll be long gone when their great grandkids are fighting the water wars.
The ones who are to blame are the ones who refuse to accept what's in front of their very noses, because the truth is frightening - they might lose money for chrissake.
In front of your nose is the end is the climate lie.
sure, Francis. those are the ones to blame....for something that hasn't even occurred. how utterly illogical are you?
Simple Minded Heros (you) are dangerous.
@@RobertMJohnson The capacity of the average denier to misinterpret/misunderstand would be astonishing if I weren't already so used to it. First, in understanding what's said, a little common sense is always good. In this context, people who deny climate change are (a) to blame for denying what seems so obvious to those of us who have a vastly different point of view and (b) will be to blame for what is to come, and is indeed already coming (eg. the winters becoming colder and more turbulent, the summers becoming hotter, the North West Passage which didn't even exist before is now being used, for the first time, by commercial shipping).
Nothing illogical about it. It's your need to turn away from what terrifies you - or would if you faced up to it - that makes you deliberately obtuse. My advice: if you can't grow up then at least step aside and let the adults look after it all for you.
Have the last word. I already feel sick.
@@rhysqqq I'm neither simple-minded nor a hero, but you're unlikely to let that get in your way when abuse is the best you can muster. And if I'm dangerous, I'm nowhere near as dangerous as those who wilfully turn away from a clear and present danger. One that all the governments of the world have acknowledged as true - though I expect you'll put it down to the World Government or blood-drinking reptiles, or both, and then tell the rest of us that we're deluded, irrational, insane even. Pathetic. absolutely pathetic.
We have to slow down. Live more simply. Ironically, we can more easily be happy there. Can we not try it?
Thank you for this. I learned some new things.
Imagine America today if, in 1970 we had put our dollars into Sustainable Energy instead of Wars?!
What? they still would not be worth as much as in 1970.
Killing is so cool.
Think what will happen in a world run by DeSantos Republicans. It will be Mad Max.
@@rogersmith7396 And when I leap at them with my hands clasping a pair of grenade spears, I'll be screaming "WITNESS ME"
@@rev.brotherjohn2191 Their worth is the sustainable future of our nation. Not every decision can be made from the profit perspective only. How old are you? 11?
Good discussion - I’ve been working on this stuff a long time- reflexive and desperate action to alter the atmosphere and mass migration effects have been keeping me up at night too.
Solar capacity is moving faster than I ever would have expected though- most projects I’m seeing fail are doing so in competition with other solar, not so much in failing against the incumbent system or inability to finance.
Never had kids because I know we are fucked. These conversations just confirm my choices. 43 years on this declining Earth and I look at our future and I don’t envy anyone who has to live it.
Thanks so much Jon I just bought another book very interesting and Thank you for all that you do.
The 'Are they being cynical?' question really has me worried, tbh. Are we still at a point today where we don't commonly understand what it's really like to be in such important positions of extreme power and wealth that we have to ask that question and the answer not being obvious for everyone. And not from a 'duh!' perspective, but from a perspective of the culture finding it truly important to understand to a great degree the psychology of people with great power and wealth. We have people in our midst who have the position where if they have a bad day, whole countries find themselves at war with one another. And we're not all frantically trying to gain a deep understanding of them? What's wrong with our risk-assessment here?
It's very difficult to model (which would be the technocratic approach) the effects of megalomania and when the megalomaniac is armed with nuclear weapons ... risk-assessment you say? As Plato or Confuscius or Linus Pauling said: beware the autocrat, especially when he has warheads.
It will always be viewed as a conspiracy theory by a large swath of the population.
@@meinbherpieg4723 That may well be true, but don't cast out the 'better' in favor of the unattained 'perfect'.
I read this man's book. It was great
Important conversation that should be spread widely!
We got to do everything. Cap wells, seaweed feed for cows, more efficient concrete, eliminate plastic waste, carbon capture, energy efficiency, different sources, it’s all so much to worry about
People always prefer to hear "happy talk". Bad news is unacceptable, almost rude. We hate it when our comfy "bubbles" of complacency get popped. It IS human nature. But willful denialism is the bedrock foundation of our inevitable demise because it muffles the giant communal uproar that should be happening.
Even the elites will react to 140 degree spring time temps.
I'm surprised you have that take. If anything, it seems that bad news really draws people's attention because there's potentially information that people need to know in order to protect themselves or others. That's why there's so much news that's sensational and outrage-inducing. My take is that the reason it's so hard for people to take action on climate change is that it's difficult to talk about it in a sensational, outrage-inducing way. People respond best to sudden events, where as climate change is just this slow burn. Once you notice its effects personally, it's already too late to act upon it. If instead, the rate of natural disasters suddenly doubled overnight, everyone would be much more involved and committed to addressing the issue.
right, bud. you are condemning people for things that haven't happened yet, but you seem to be "guaranteeing" will happen
@@rogersmith7396 sure, Smith. 140F in spring. that'll happen. sure. yeah.
We have been running an unplanned and unmanaged geoengineering experiment since 1750. The day the world gets to zero emissions is not the day the climate change problem is solved, it's the day things stop getting worse. The inertia of melting polar ice sheets is large. Zero emissions won't stop the melting. We will need to actively cool the planet at some point, and there is only one technology we can deploy rapidly to do that. Don't be afraid of geo-engineering. We're going to need it.
The possible unintended consequences of it scares the hell out of me.
@@mtn1793 Would you prefer positive feedbacks in the Arctic? Zero emissions won't turn around the inertia of the melting ice sheet. We only have high risk choices now. The safe options lay back in time.
@@davidmichie We have ALL choices including the high risk. Many many choices must be utilized in order to inform the whole of the challenge.
@@mtn1793 We need to do all the safe things to decarbonize electricity, transport, industry and agriculture. That is necessary but insufficient. Once we get to zero emissions globally the climate will stabilise at some temperature considerably higher than it is today. If we want to return to a Holocene-like climate we will need to actively cool the planet.
@@davidmichie True. I think the key lies in the chemo-electrical magnetic belts. But wherever it is we’ve got to seriously start on all levels so we can find out what works best and how to do it.
Eye opener. Very good insight.
I feel hopeful
As a psychologist n sociologist, while this is one of the best discussions, what is being ignored in the conversation is the psychological aspect of ‘change’ that will b needed n what has been absent in order to reach this goal. Please have this conversation w this expert by having a psych/socio expert included in the conversation.
It’s great to see the amount of influence George Carlin had in his life. It even affects this conversation. If you know you know 😉
Great episode . Thank you for actually talking about climate . Not just the world is ending or your a denier
How do you stop the earth from entering its long orbit? How do stop volcanoes? How about asteroids. When the wealthy make a lower foot print then maybe I'll listen to idiots like Jon
@@rev.brotherjohn2191 it seems to me, that some people are just not able to care enough about anything other than their personal needs.
@@teresaamanfu7408 *personal desires ;-)
@@rev.brotherjohn2191 people like you are the reason this world is going down the drain.
@@rev.brotherjohn2191 how about we learn how to stop manmade climate change and then use those lessons for those things you mention.
More of this please
It's also having huge heat waves. Major floods- Pakistan under water. Rivers drying up all around the globe.
We're only doing the little we're doing because we're living the horrors...
Thank goodness for people like David Wallis-Wells. A glimmer of hope and yet reality to carry us forward.
John loves comparing everything to light that hasn't reached us yet from distant stars.
A Neil deGrasse Tyson interview would be awesome.
Well, he's comparing it to the light that has reached us. He's using the fact that the light of the stars that we see, has left those stars millions of years ago (he's comparing it to the after-effects of human earlier actions).
When we look up at the night sky, some of those stars no longer exist, thus we are looking into the past. Amazing, when we think about it.
I can't find the quote, but essentially that our intelligence, our inventiveness has greatly outpaced our wisdom.
we have to work with these same people at every step of the process.
THANK YOU, Jon Stewart and David Wallace-Wells ... this is the discussion I've been hoping would emerge.
Sorry, they lied to you. Want some facts?
Great conversation. Excellent guest. Thanks to both of you.
jon please you are addressing issues we want addressed
I started with reading " silent spring" not long after it was published.. we need to start making a good many changes in attitude and actions.
CEO of ARCO - one of the largest parent companies in
the 70s-80s - was asked back then "when will you explore solar energy possibilities?"
Answer -" "When ARCO owns the sun.
The industry has always been driven by greed.
Unbelievable to hear Jon talk about giving the industry a business model that keeps their profits intact. That's a big part of the reason we're in this position.
The French Revolution had the right idea what to do with the greedy and their families.
IF you think alarmist is not about money and power, why is it the only solution that people like you are willing to accept is ones that make the CCP richer and more powerful and destroy the US and other countries economy? IF this was all about stopping the increase in co2, there is a very good way to recycle the co2, called bio fuels, but alarmist have no interest in it because it would make local communities richer instead of making china richer.
@@roberthicks1612 you seem to have some massive misunderstandings about how things work. As long as China isn't the one producing the technology, which they aren't, it doesn't make China richer. Also, "alarmists", as you call people saying we have less time then everyone thinks, readily point out the absurdity of outsourcing the manufacturing of green technology halfway around the world. Just because reality is bleak, doesn't make people pointing it out alarmist.
@@gloria8093 The ccp controls 90% of the rare earth metals needed for solar panels, electric batteries and windmill magnets. Since they have a controlling interest, they control the price of the metals. Even if the US were to use only the other 90%, it would force the rest of the world to buy from the ccp. The truth is, we do not need to buy that to have renewable energy. We could use bio waste to grow algae in every city and town in the world and use that to make diesel for vehicles and algae bodes to replace coal. This would mean the average person would make more money and have more power over his or her own life. That is not what the alarmist want.
The reason they are called alarmist is they are always hitting the alarm button. These alarms did not start recently, but have been going on since the beginning of the 1900's. The very first decade of the last century, the liberals were screaming about an ice age and said the only way to stop it was to give them power over the energy industry and the rights of every person in America.
By the 1930's they were saying the north pole would be ice free due to global warming by 1950. The only solution was to give them total power over the worlds energy and the rights over every person in the country (this was by that time in many countries of the world).
By the 1950, they had once again changed it to an ice age, and again the only solution was to give them more power over every person's decisions and total control over energy.
By 1970's, alarmist like James Hansen were claiming that New York City would be under water by 2000. The club of rome were saying that by 2010 the world's population would be falling to 3 billion because of the lack of food and people would be forced into cannibalism to survive. Once again, the only solution was to give them total control over energy and the rights of people to make choices.
When the temperature rise went into a stall in 2000, they changed it to drastic weather changes and the only solution is to give them total power over energy and the rights of people to make choices.
No matter what the threat, it will always be beyond the life of most people at the time of the threat, and the only solution will be to give them total power. THAT is why they are called alarmist. Not one of their predictions have ever come true.
@@roberthicks1612 1st China may be the 2nd largest producer of graphite, but there are other countries with untapped graphite deposits. 2nd graphene is fully recyclable.
3rd you can't just lump together desperate voices and opinions to discount the science. Yeah there are those that give wild speculations, have been and always will be. Still if we insist on burning through the last 115 years of fossil fuels we have left not only will society collapse because we hadn't already switched, the effects of climate change will kill billions. To be clear that's billions over time not some cataclysmic one off event.
Bribing the oil industry owners to change their business is not good enough. The 'good guys' need to be in a position to issue threats as well. The oil industry has much more power than any environmental group or even any government, so how do the 'good guys' take power?
Exxon Mobile is a direct rival of Elon Musk and I consider Elon Musk as one of the good guys who is trying to make a difference. The only way people are going to solve these issues is develop different successful technologies that are more profitable. That is just how capitalism works and the US is the leading nation on this. Other nations, even including China, would follow. This is evident by China's increasingly growing electric car sales in the past few years and this is coming from a nation that gives 0 shits about climate change or global warming. Otherwise, if you think people are gonna run businesses and organizations out of the goodness of their hearts and spread the love, you probably should take the red pill.
Yeah he usually has great ideas, but that was totally a lib take by Jon. We need to nationalize the oil and gas industry, have the government run it, and then phase out all fossil fuels by 2050 at the latest. If we’re solely relying on the profit motive to fix this, we’re fucked. Force the assholes at the top at Exxon and Shell to get real jobs like the rest of us.
@Stan Refermat do you have any idea how many products are made from crude oil besides gasoline? Plastic is a big one. Textiles are another. Oh don't forget about medical supplies.
@@noire.blackheart Elon Musk is just like them and anyone who believes otherwise is either a fool or ignorant. He's not some messiah you think he is. Nissan and Chevy had electric cars before Tesla. In fact electric cars are older than gas cars.
@@tonyaburrus8867 Most people don't know that unfortunately. This whole thing needs to be tackled on every front, from oil, plastics, recycling, returning carbon to the soil (because there will be a famine soon), cleaning up the sea. This has to be a global effort. The only way to do it is to start sanctioning companies, executives and literally making littering a crime. Good intentions without a bite is just wishful thinking.
we started seeing turkey vultures in my area maybe 30 years ago on a seasonal basis, they are now still a common sight in my immediate area.
amazing presentation...thanks
The biggest issue of our time.
Thank you for this, Jon. You are the only big celebrity I have encountered who handles it in a good way.
biggest hoax in modern history. we're INCREASING our consumption of coal, oil, gas, Lekberg. are you reliving some of those childhood fairytales?
@@RobertMJohnson You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote. Try again.
But when the smaller developing countries try a renewable energy program, oil companies show up and sabotage them. Or companies want the small countries to depend on them. They don’t care how much it ruins the environment. Just asked a utility companies in America Why do they punish people who try to set up personal windmills in their own yard
I was in Seattle during that heat wave. It was crazy. Fortunately I work for big tech and had a nice cold office building to hang out in.
Jon and staff - please interview Dr William Rees. And please also explore ecological overshoot, our unsustainable economic model of unending growth, and overpopulation. Touch those third rails for a more well-rounded conversation.
The last few years on the Oregon coast have seen far less rain, higher temperatures and more wildfires.
I think we’ll survive, but the plains, Arizona, and other states will be nearly unlivable. Even 5 years ago the sun in Kansas glared off the concrete and it was like breathing in an oven. The winters were shorter and tornadoes more frequent. Plus the added bonus of earthquakes caused by fracking.
Also, maybe stay off the coasts. We keep losing parts of the Antarctic.
My dad was among those who died in that Pacific NW heatwave in '21. We really need to do more for our environment on a governmental scale and global scale because the whole "oh you should recycle and keep your personal carbon levels down" is just doing nothing. I'm 43 and even I can tell the difference in weather from today to my childhood. Winters and summers used to be a lot more mild. It's crazy we've done almost nothing for it until recently.
Funny just a few miles east of you in Idaho we have been having mild, dry winters. Not long ago we expected frozen ice on the roads for months. Now on the rare winter we even get snow, actual ice on the road usually only lasts till noon.
@@dennismitchell5276 climate change is when climate patterns break from their normal temperature. This is due to a larger issue. In this case, the earth is warmer than historically with a projection to get warmer.
More people die from cold waves than heatwaves. Sorry about your dad, did expensive energy costs mean he couldn't afford A/C? Because that is what Stewart is pushing for, unaffordable energy. I am 60 and I can't tell any difference in the climate from my childhood. CO2 increases are helpful to planets which feed people. Warmer climates are helpful for growing food and reducing deaths from cold. Climate change hysteria is a scam.
@生活有滋有味 thank you for the confirmation of their worldwide effort to keep them from having to invest time and money into changing their products.. instead just profit as long as they can before we are destroyed.
Sorry to hear about your dad but CO2 caused catastrophic global warming is a scam that killed millions of people and animals already. Climate change is completely natural and CO2 doesn't control the temperature of Earth.
After all that doom and gloom from you along with his more positive assessments (though I'm in your camp, John) the best part is your closing music!
Great conversation John
This reminds me of growing up in an intense church environment where everyone was talking about the imminent apocalypse and how we should all rid ourselves of sin before the rapture. Ahmen and awoman.
Religion is a belief
Science has DATA
@@yomomma5086 that’s what I’ve been saying. Doomsday Christians should be rallying behind climate change since it’s the exact rapture we self-prophesized ourselves into
@@yomomma5086 wrong. the irony is that a bunch of atheists are effectively identical to the evangelicals in that they believe in something they cannot prove and they attempt to not only predict the future, but profess to know what the future will bring.
you're nothing more than a religious zealot who can't prove, scientifically, one thing you claim to believe.
@@RobertMJohnson watch some videos of the polar ice caps collapsing as they melt after centuries of being frozen...
Hopefully, Jon will discuss the argument of Degrowth.
We know what degrowth looks like, plenty of failed states have shown it to us. They're places where people live in abject poverty and the government lacks any resources for sustainability. Degrowth is a death cult.
@@Trazynn nope, the belief in infinite growth in a finite world is. Funny
@@Trazynn Infinite growth is not a death cult? This years GDP was higher than last years = success? This number is better than last years number? Infinite growth in the pursuit of profits, money which comes from a keyboard is what humanity is chasing.
@@cypriano8763 Economies that don't grow will be stuck to outdated industries and fuel sources, their production is inefficient and unreliable forcing them to consume more, waste more and pollute more.
@@henrygustav7948 Deliberately constricting our growth robs us of our ability to clean up our act. Without growth there's no investment, without investment there's no innovation, without innovation we cannot move towards cleaner, more efficient production. The pursuit of profit is what drives us to cut waste, that's the waste of time, the waste of energy, the waste of resources and the waste of human labour that we commit to staying alive.
great episode!
I love these young passionate people on your show. They all talk so fast - with FACTS! I am so impressed with these young folks and as 50 said, "You say I am talking too fast, listen faster." Shit is crucial right now with the environment. I am a theology MTS from Emory and one of the things I focused on was viewing through the Theological lens how organized religion views the environment. Faith religions would be a good place to start to solve this - it's central organizations that believe in creation. They could get much of this done just with the real estate they own.
At 9:45 when this guest said we should 'help' other countries to a more prosperous future... It took me 5 min to stop laughing. America has never ever unselfishly helped anyone, unless there was a huge profit involved. #mafiastate
Another great conversation. Glad to have Jon back in the public eye, and he’s hosting excellent guests.
All climate change scam propaganda.
Republicans have fought to not change to clean energy for years it is to late
@@drakemia4079 It isn't "clean energy", it's global child abuse and multiple genocides. If you actually care about human and animal life you would do some research and find the truth.
@@ricktd6891 I have ,and not taking action to clean up our way of doing things is costing us a lot of money every day it takes a lot of people along time to see the destruction it maybe to late it is a wait and see government we live in so wait and see it is up to you to choose .
@@drakemia4079 The global warming scam, NOT GLOBAL WARMING, is causing environmental disasters and killing humans and animals. Is that clear?
I am very impressed with the information this guest, David Wallace Wells, is offering. That said, I take issue with one of his assertions. Within the last 40 years, environmental activists have achieved very important successes in mitigating acid rain and chlorofluorocarbons, and in the United States especially air pollution has been drastically reduced- you can see most of it.
@renideo if by AGCC you mean anthropogenic global climate change, then I agree with you that it is a more complex problem because there’s a wider variety of contributing factors. I think, however, that a majority of official public support is not necessary for the change, as military spending on various campaigns has far exceeded what’s needed, with relatively little public support. In fact, it has been argued that for less than 2% of global GDP, effective programs can be funded to mitigate the worst effects anticipated by current climate change models.
thank you
Nationalize the oil industry -- we all agree they are necessary now, but have to disappear very soon. Drop the private investment, make it public then make it go away.
I can not tell you how much I wish all the fossil fuel companies would padlock and shut down all their facilities. The dying would start within weeks. But I'm sure their would be court orders ordering them to open back up before that. But maybe we'd have learned a lesson.
@@thtiger1Simp.
I’m starting to get the feeling we’re in trouble with this whole climate change thing?
I read David’s book two years ago, and cried when I wasn’t collapsed on the floor in the fetal position. It’s really a bad situation, in his world “things are much much worse than you think.” It is terrifying. After the anger at what’s happened, mourning everything we’ve known is all that’s left. And then ponder why the most overriding serious priority is trivialized and ignored.
yes we are. I think the ancient chinese got it right (not the current one) where the emperor died, his concubines were put down too. it controlled the population.
also beginning of rome, men could put down their subjects - wives and slaves. they were his property. end of rome was womens rights then collapse.
@@vsstdtbs3705 Found the incel.
@@nsbd90now ive had more p...y than you can ever dream of.
The propaganda is working
I'm running for Utah State legislator this November. Addressing climate change is my top priority. Wish me luck, folks!
Great episode
I hope John runs for president! Please, we need a sincere, thoughtful, and straightforward progressive in office.
And genuinely intelligent - curious, focused, and wise.
Correspondents Dinner would be lit 😂
When politics has become a joke, a comedian is the one best equipped to be a politician.
@@DonCDXX Its working for Zelensky.
@@johnny1587 Everything Republicans detest.
"Davos Man" by Peter Goodman is very well-written and highlights some of the systemic pathologies that resist green energy transitioning.
Why is green energy better than fossil fuels. Without fossil fuels the world world be like the 1800s today. Is that better? You can tell the green energy movement is a scam because the best green energy is nuclear by far and the greenies are against it. Also, no one mentions the many positives of increased CO2 and warming. Is any of that in the book?
@@outofcompliance1639 you sound like your knowledge of advancements in science and culture goes as far as right around the 1800's
Great talk!
Good info
Great talk.
We're doomed anyway.
Humanity does not avert oncoming disasters, we deny them while increasing the danger.
No, it's a scam that caused genocide already and it's destroying your life right now. Want some facts instead of fear mongering lies?
Feels like we are only exchanging one CEO for another if we convert from petroleum to electric cars?
Public hydro, like we have here in british Columbia is a damn good idea ain't it. How can you keep electricity prices down other wise.
@TheFreedomGrind that's right, dude you totally debunked renuables right there. Well done.
@@cypriano8763
i dont think he gets the joke
@TheFreedomGrind
stop burning Oil little bit of a difference there, do you understand now>?
@TheFreedomGrind
1.5 billion vehicles a day starting up an moving says Your understanding is incorrect and needs revision
2.2 needs to be our NEW & realistic goal 😱
Yeah can't believe I'm just now seeing some of these videos by JS. Always been a fan!.. Always been a supporter! Few television personalities have actually lived more by their work and ran their work as they live than John Stewart! He has consistently gone up to bat for everyday people throughout his career.
I remember years and years back wishing (along with many) that he would run for office. But we all truly know where his home is and he clearly is driven to do the work that he does. Today what I wish is that our everyday politicians would hold town halls or video conferences or even public zoom meetings between a few people just like this. If a politician conducted their service to the public like this it would be all of just as valuable as calling for a donation as actually having real public conversations with topic experts so you can actually witness and learn along with your political leaders vs just listening to them talk in a microphone to an empty room.
Totally was enthralled with his video on the economy and debt where he was literally talking with two of his previous video commenters and John was asking how he could had done better on that other video.. far as questioning. Clearly John is approaching these discussions with the intent to get answers so he better understands complicated areas.
Thank you, Jon, for really pushing the issue of exploitation. It's a HUGE part of our collective challenge and much more so in lesser developed countries. I'm not sure that the industry would do the right thing, even if we handed them the money to cover it. That money would more likely go to their own executives and all their yachts, private islands, etc etc etc. As much as it sucks, we really have to be the ones to make the necessary dramatic changes in our own individual lives. Billionaires are not going to save us.
It's a global scam.
Entire ecosystems are collapsing, Miami Beach is already in the process of going under sea water. David is such an optimist to think we have another 30 years.
It seems like things are escalating exponentially.
Sources?
Top notch content!
THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO REMAIN AT THE FORE.