@@debrajames6316 EXACTLY SO SAD AND SHAWN TALKING LIKE HES SO INNOCENT. HE CLAIM HE DONT LIKE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON THAT'S NOT THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF, WHEN THEY WAS ON THE LARRY KING SHOW HE CALLED MIKE A MIMIC.
I'm not sure what people expect. I love BoyzIIMen and I love Mike's voice. When someone is not showing up and not taking your calls there's not much else you can do. They tried to bring Mike back for a 20 yr Anniversary tour but it didn't work out. I'm sure there's blame enough to go around but he needed to show up and communicate.
Mike has MS...studies have shown MS affects AA men very aggressive. It not only affects you physically but emotionally !! Living w MS ain’t no joke and everyday is different 💔
Thank you! So when they say that they tried to work with him, I believe that, but they were also impatient because they didn't understand this disease. Sounds like they're still not understanding and are angry with him, but this is Mike's disease and not theirs. As a friend, it's not about you, it's about your friend and how he's really doing. They could've gotten him therapy. They are angry about the money, but they still have not admitted that he literally got a death sentence at a young age because that's what I'm sure the diagnosis felt like.
@@suzanneweary9739 Mike went on Iyanla show and confessed that he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, he kept it to himself and didn't tell the guys. He even confessed that he went into a deep depression that caused him to be distant from the guys.
@@FreeDom-id6yb Nate did more “controlling” than anyone in the group because he was behind organizing the harmonies. And what you said about Shawn is your opinion and had nothing to do with the video.😒
@@jwdathefax377 i read the history of the group...the original members were marc nelson and nathan. Nathan and Shawn had a power struggle. The other guys started to fall under shawn's control even though he nor wanya were originals - as Shawn initiated vote to kick out Marc. Look it up...its not my opinion..it's documented. more or less your stuff is opinion.
That would be great as well if one member bump into Mike, I hope Nathan he seems more like the peace maker to me. Sit down and have a man to man real talk it'll happen.
EXACTLY THEY CLAIM ITS ALL LOVE FOR MIKE, I CAN'T SAY THEY DONT CAUSE MIKE BASS TOUCHED A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEYLL NEVER BE COMPLETE AGAIN WITHOUT MIKE. I PRAY THAT ONEDAY THEYLL BE ABLE TO WORK THINGS OUT ITS NOT SLL ON MIKE THREE AGAINST ONE THEY HANDS WAS IN IT AS WELL.
Yes Wah passed away 2 years ago! What’s crazy is that I hear him still on the radio like all of the time!! He is still with us and has left his DNA here for sure!! Thanks! Unc was that dude!!!!!!!!!! From Marvin Gaye to Maxwell! Pa Pa Was A Rolling Stone, Lets Get it On, ABC, Car Wash, I will Survive, The Love Theme and so many many more!!!!!
As a boyz to men fan I understand .It's disappointing but what shawn is saying is that there came a point when they could no longer carry michael anymore .It's business.Michael was there boy and just not another group member so this cut deeper for them but as a business they couldn't stop because that's their life.
TRUE BUT MICHAEL FID ADMIT ON ON IYANLA THAT HE HAD MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND WENT INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION THAT CAUSED HIM TO BE DISTANT FROM THE GUYS. HE KEPT IT ALL TO HIMSELF AND IM HAPPY HE GOT IT OFF OF HIS CHEST.
Poor old Mike, I remember when his girl was out all night cheating on him but he didn’t care because he’d loved her anyway. She just didn’t know how much she meant to him. 😢😢😢
That’s right....business is business and friendship is something else. Getting paid still and you are not showing up? I’d drop him the professional way too.
Black he did explain it. He said, Mike wasn’t as motivated as they were and was starting to mess with their bottom dollar. So it was best to part ways. Every explanation doesn’t have to be juicy. Lol
Shawn is right. I remember seeing Mike perform sitting on a bench or using a cane. Mike even admitted that he never disclosed the severity of his illness to the group and even to his family.
Mike confession on Iyanla that he went into a deep DEPRESSION that caused him to be distant from the guys. He even admit he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS he kept bbn to himself and told noone. With I blame him they knew he had back problems SCOLIOSIS. They're not so INNOCENT THEMSELVES Mike was wrong in ways.
Listen to Shawn saying that it was back pain even though he knows differently. No empathy, and I sense animosity too, because the group has never been the same again. He still refuses to give him any credit. What if you got a diagnosis that you were suffering from a disease with no cure and you will slowly wilt away? Business, what business when you all need a break to deal with the news? Shawn sounds like he doesn't even want him to receive royalties.
@@suzanneweary9739 Mike admits himself that he didn’t tell anyone about his diagnosis, not even his wife. Also, it IS business. And, just like at ANY job, you only get paid so long for not showing up.
I agree. Can’t get paid if you won’t show up or can’t show up. I understand the depression but he allowed himself into depression. It’s his fault for not disclosing the information and not being honest. They tried to work with him. What else can they do
@@suzanneweary9739 Since when does having an illness make you not have to be a responsible adult? You can't just not show up and expect to be paid in ANY field.
Mike got paid equally from 1997 to 2003 where he literally contributed nothing to the group. He missed shows without telling people. He actually went missing during the release of their last album as 4 members ( the full circle album). He sabotaged that album forcing LA Reid to release the group from Arista records. Its a lot that Mike did that the remaining members have hid from the public
trueskool1977 though I have listened to the Full Circle album a gazillion times since it came out, until I read your comment I hadn’t realized that Mike wasn’t on any of the songs.....at least not that I can remember. Wow! Shawn said he wasn’t as passionate about music like the rest of them were and maybe that was because he wasn’t that good of a singer as the others. He made a major contribution to the group in the harmony singing bass, which was dope for that era. The sound of music started to change by the time they started recording Full Circle, which was phasing out 4 and even three part harmonies. I believe him feeling like he wasn’t as talented as they were, the lack of need for a bass singer, and his MS all led to his depression and ultimately leaving the group. It really was sad.
@@standforluv no he is on the album. What people don't know is that nate shawn and wanya wrote half of the groups songs since the 1st album cooleyhighharmony. Mike chose to never write yet they broke him off with their publishing as well. They also.said they created their songs and sound in the studio 🎙 and he would never contribute. Nate did all his parts and created his parts then all Mike would do is come in the studio and do what Nate told him. I agree his sound is unmatched and I wish they could all reunite
@@trueskool1977 I wish they can reunite as well as all of that drama went to far plus they haven't seen him in years. That's ashame make up make us fans see four MEMBERS together again.
@@standforluv I agree with you on THAT Mike said they had him feeling a certain kind of way. He went into a deep DEPRESSION that's what keep him distant from his group mates. They was down playing him in interviews plus Shawn call him a MIMIC they're lying
The most Classy group on the planet.Staying respectful even in disagreements.Thats the real boyz to men.We miss his voice in the group and i pray they all heal.
He said that Mike had back pain. No, he had MS. He is still dismissive of Mike's disease even though there is a plethora of information out there about it.
@@suzanneweary9739 Mike went on Iyanla show and confessed that he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS. He also admit that that he kept it a secret and didn't told anyone about it. Shawn isn't INNOCENT either he SHADED Mike as well.
SHAWN IS HOLDING BACK WHEN IF THE GROUP WAS THERE HE WOULD HAVE SAID MORE. HE ALSO SAID WHICH I HE DONT LIKE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHEN THEYRE NOT THERE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
And MS can affect you in very complex ways that people that don’t have it don’t understand those even close to you don’t understand... I have it and I know I don’t you are so drained
I wish he had watched the Iyanla show with Mike because Iyalan helped Mike understand that his handling of MS affected his personal relationships with not just his band members and friends but with his family. It was deep and it wasn't about exposing his band members but about helping Mike take accountability for his lack of communicating his issues and dealing with them but expecting everyone in his life to know what he was feeling all while not saying what he felt.
My sister has MS and every day is different. She wasn’t even 30 when she was diagnosed. She can barely walk, always in pain & sometimes can’t even get out of bed depending on the weather. The side effects from her medication makes her depressed and sometimes very irritated or angry. Imagine having to use a cane before you are even 30 years old & having something that cannot be cured. The rest of the group probably did not understand what he was going through or maybe they didn’t ask so he felt like they would not understand.
@@tanishawalls8689 💯Exactly! I watched it when it aired too and you summarized it up well. I also have a 1st cousin I grew up very close to that has MS...Which is why as much as I like Shawn...in fact, Shawn and Mike have ALWAYS been my 2 favorites in the group...but I still feel like Shawn is on some real BS in this interview and here's why I say that.... First of all...He said he didn't watch more than a few seconds of the show because Mike knows "they don't get down like that airing dirty laundry on tv shows etc.. "...I call BS on that...cause let's NOT forget Shawn had pics with his full time mistress he was out right cheating on his wife with for years surfacing all over the internet...dirty laundry publicly displayed bro... 2nd...Every single time they are interviewed and asked about the Mike situation they tell the story as if it was all on Mike just acting like a no show...lazy...uncommitted ass...more specifically I'm referring to the Larry King interview they did where they all just dog Mike out and talked about him so badly and made it sound like he was just a lazy person that wanted to keep getting paid without working...which was NOT at all the case...that Larry King interview is also posted here on RUclips...but I digress... Like you said, if he had watched the full Iyanla show episode he would have gotten a more clearer perspective of what was REALLY going on with Mike...who he by the way say's is still his "brother"...well had he watched the show he'd realized from it that Mike did not go on there to expose any dirty laundry about them...he went on the show for his own personal emotional and mental and spiritual healing breakthrough...which included his past situation as member of the group with them...but he also revealed that he was going through a very deep depression during the period of first being diagnosed with MS...which again...had Shawn watched the whole show would've known is probably the reason Mike became so withdrawn to the degree of not even answering his door or any phone calls during that time period... The man was going through it so badly from his MS diagnosis that he even alienated himself from his own wife and kids causing himself to lose them as well...so come on Shawn...if he say's Mike is still and will always be his brother then my issuse with them is where is the compassion for your so called brother...especially after now knowing that the underlying reason for his sudden estranged behavior was due to a VERY serious health condition called MS which led to him going into a very deep depression... But all that aside...Now all of them being full grown men and no longer boys and all these years later have past without even speaking...where's the brotherhood in that...why not reach out to each other now and make amends on both sides...especially with all the current madness going on in the world and our country currently...we all may not get a tomorrow to make things right with folks we really love... So that's what I have a problem with...that they still have not tried to talk and make it right with each other after all this time and have gone on not speaking for far too long yet keep saying he's their brother. Where's the empathy you would show a true brother? Ijs Sorry for my rant...they're not losing money or sleep over our opinions though...I'm sure they could careless what we think. Lol😏💗
In my life following entertainment and entertainers and talk shows, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a celebrity say to an interviewer “ask it” when he or she knew it was going to be a hard question. Props to Shawn
I’m so glad I finally got to hear another version of what took place between Mike and his former group members. Initially, when I heard the other three guys wouldn’t let him back into the group, it left a bad taste. I began to look at them totally different. It was said they didn’t want him back because they didn’t want to split the money four ways anymore. If Mike had decided to come back, he wouldn’t even receive an equal share. I was devastated because these cats were my favorite group in the late 90’s. Anyway, thanks Shawn for putting your brief spin on what took place. I personally have to remember there’s always two (or four in this case) sides to a story. Keep grinding guys, peace.
I worked at Arista form 2000 until 2003. And at that time thay rush that album and did it in a mouth. I didn't see Mike. But at the end of the day. I hope that thay sit down in talk it out. Even if it just for the brother hood. Mike is dealing with MS, and if you are dealing with somebody with MS. You would know that could be a very emotional rollercoaster at times. For the person that have it and relationships that they are in(all types)
OH wow, I didn't know he had MS. That changes things entirely in terms of fans wanting him to take part in the group again. Physically he likely is not up to that; the rigors of being a performer are tortuous for many with the disease.
Shawn is such a great spirit. Hopefully God willing they can all reach a point of clarity and all get back on the same page. We are all forever in debt to such a wonderful group of immense talent for blessing up with their music.
I hear what Shawn is saying....but i cant help but think about how they treated him on the day they got their star. On top of that i have heard multiple producers speak out on B2M and their...demeanor.
@@niggaplease91 MIKE MAY HAVE DONE WRONG IN WAYS BUT THEY'RE NOT INNOCENT EITHER. SHAWN SHADED MIKE ON THE LARRY KING SHOW CALLING HIM A MIMIC. THATS NOT LOVE AT ALL 😔
Lawd some of us black folks love drawing our own conclusions lol ... Boyz ll men don’t do drama never really have .... I definitely believe Shawn and I think it was business ... Y’all gotta also keep in mind THIS WAS THE 90s and the industry was booming then they definitely had to move forward I don’t think it’s a drama thing I think it was a career thing Not that I wanna discredit Mike story because he is entitled to his truth and how he feels as well
@@taegaines6334 Oh I know. I was just clearing up the tiny error that Mike left in the 90s. 2003's Full Circle was a great album and he was there for that. So it have to have been in the 00s when he was gone for good. Or I completely misunderstood your point in which case you can just ignore me entirely. :)
Back in 2009, Biography did a special on Boyz ii Men and they gave more details about what happened with Mike. He was into it when they were huge megastars but started to become unreliable when things got bad. Basically, as their popularity started to decline, Mike wasn't showing up to shows and other appearances. Also he was lying (yes lying) about his ability to perform on stage. We all know he has MS, but Wanya said that Mike told them he couldn't perform on stage with them...yet they saw him playing full contact basketball. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Mike didn't show up to an international performance in Romania. They sent a car to Mike's house to get him to the airport, but Mike's wife told them to go on without him so only the three of them (Shawn, Wanya, Nate) went to the show. Guess what? They got sued for breach of contract since the 4th member (Mike) didn't show up. Mike was costing them business. Despite this, they were STILL paying him. Then, not too long after this, there was an incident at Wanya's house when Shawn and Mike got into an argument and Mike checked Shawn into a wall (Mike even admitted to this). From that day on, they all agreed that he was out of the group and he's been gone ever since. This whole story was told by the group on the Biography channel. You can go watch the video yourself at the biography website. As of today (June 14, 2020) the video is still up. The part about Mike starts at the 33 minute mark. They don't owe Mike anything. He chose his own fate. Like Shawn said, he wasn't as passionate about the music as they were and his disinterest and unreliability is the reason he's gone.
MIKE WENT INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION THE FELLAS DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. THEY THOUGHT HE WAS JUST DISTANT. PLUS MIKE HAVE MS AND HE DIDNT WANT ANYONE TO KNOW THAT. WHAT YOU LEFT OUT IS SHAWN PICK THE ARGUEMENT.
@@celestematthews3266 Despite his depression, they did everything in their power to keep him involved, motivated, and paid. They didn't turn their backs on him, he turned his back on them. And yes Shawn picked the argument because they were all fed up with his behavior which led to the group getting sued and losing business. If Mike had been taking care of his duties as a member of the group, there would not have been anything to argue about. Plus, even though Shawn "picked" the argument, Mike is the one who escalated it to a physical altercation.
Ken Snyder Yes I understand that basketball could be good physical therapy. My point is that if he had the ability to play full contact b-ball then he also had the ability to show up to performances and other appearances.
I appreciate him speaking about this. If you saw Mike on Iyanla Fix my life and Mike said he didn’t communicate his problems with his brothers/ group members. It has to be deeper than the surface because Mike also stated that he didn’t keep in touch with his own children for years, smh. I do hope that one day they can come back together.
Mike confession wasn't easy he admit he went into a deep, DEPRESSION that kept him distant from the guys. Plus when he reveal that he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS he didnt trust them. Him not telling his wife didnt had anything to do with the group.
They're situation with Mike is similar to Paul Williams with the Temptations he couldn't perform or contribute but they still got paid as if they was there . Only difference Mike never told them or his own wife what was really wrong if he did things would have been different once
You know something, we really want to believe that things can be mended with these groups we've grown up with. And I believe they can, but I also know that people grow and change. And Shawn said something interesting that "Mike wasn't as ambitious about music as they were." And sometimes that's the case. Sometimes it's the kind of music that a member may want to break away from doing. Either way, I've always enjoyed Boyz II Men. Quality group.
@Joe Smith Mike kept everything to himself he went into a deep DEPRESSION that caused him to be distant from the guys. Plus he didn't told him them he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS.
How did they treat Babyface, dumb ass? Is that why they are still close to Babyface till this day? Is that why even Babyface said Dallas was lying and they never were rude or disrespectful to him. Y’all so quick to jump in the comments and never know wtf you’re talking about
They have said in other interviews that they had to rebuild their career afterwards and they almost broke up. They were each about to try and do solo careers. I know Shawn and Wan have solo songs from that period. I am so happy that they were able to severe the relationship with Mike and not end the group. No one else besides Boyz II Men have take what started as a Boy Band and thrived for 3 decades. I am super happy to have had my favourite boy band last all of these years. I have got the opportunity to see them 2 times in concert and met them once. They spent a significant amount of time with me when I met them :-) If they had broken up I would never have been able to. I wish Mike well, but I don't feel bad about it.
Boyz II Men were super powerful with Mike, all of them needed one another to be who they were!!! Never in my life have I heard Harmonies like theirs!!! They'll always be my favorites!!! The 90's were special for them!!! 💯
@Ken Snyder Indeed it was, man I can only imagine now!!! So many memories and different groups to listen to!!! 1. Boyz II Men 2. Silk 3. Jodeci 4. Jagged Edge 5. Shai 6. Dru Hill 7. H-Town 8. BBD 9. Black Street 10. Intro.... I mean we had the best of the Best😎💯....I know there's some that I'm missing but the list is endless!!!!
I pray you guys get back together and talk out your difference. I have lupus and I've lost friends in the beginning of this illness dealing with things I couldn't do an pains I couldn't explain. Love you guys I pray it will all work out.✊🏾❤️🙏🏽
It's crazy people saying BOYZ II MEN will NEVER be the same without mike let's be real they still get booked gigs residency in VEGAS mike is really not missed at all to me Nathan is amazing with the bass vocals y'all just use to seeing 4 of them instead of 3...i seen them live at the Kennedy center in D.C and i was like mike who? They did an amazing job i fell in love with them all over again.. I want them to sing at my wedding Biggest boyz ii men fan til the end
Yeah Mike had nice bass but people sleeping on Nathan like i did at first until i heard them sing live and i was like WHOA!!! his voice was amazing plus he can sang as well and on alot of boyz ii men songs nathan sings the lead
I am glad that Shawn explained everything because I had my own personal protest against the group as I thought that the group did Mike wrong. Now hearing the other side, I can understand and have a better appreciation for the group. It is still not the same without him, but I can now not associate the group with negativity and wrong doings.
SHAWN IS HOLDING BACK ALOT OF THINGS IF NATHAN AND WANYA WAS WITH HIM HE WOULD BE TALKING HIS HEAD OFF. MIKE MSY HAVE DID WRONG IN W AS YS BUT THEY ARE NOT PERFECT THEMSELVES THEY DID DIRT AS WELL.
I know what it's like to have a person not match you drive. It's frustrating when you have to always be the one reaching out, or having to make sure they are holding up their end of the bargain. Especially when it comes to just picking up the phone or answering the phone. It does come to a point to where there is nothing more you can do side from continuing to pacify the situation and further frustrating everyone. It then becomes a burden to do even the simple of routine task. I understand why they had to let him go. When you've tried to hold on and the other party isn't trying to hold on you're just carrying dead weight at that point.Then it is what it is.
"I would (hug him if he showed up at my door) but I'm like...that's my brother... we're brothers...he'll always be my brother". SO TALK TO HIM. It's been YEARS. You can disagree, argue, fuss and fight while still communicating and having an eagerness to reconcile.
I love me some Boys 2 Men - especially Shawn. Some of the most beautiful blend of voices EVER. But without Mike it’s not the same. As far as I’m concerned, sit Mike in a chair and let him sing 🎵 🙏🏽
@M B True but all of the drama plus the other three guys shaded Mike in interviews. Life is to short plus Shawn said he haven't seen Mike in years the last he heard Mike was on Iyanla show.
I never got the vibe that mike was as devoted as the others. I don't think he loved it as much. I think they got tired of begging and said fuck it. I don't think Mike appreciated the image of Boyz 2 Men. I think they were a lil softer than who he was. The back issues made it a lot easier to leave. I would have still recorded with the group but not toured. He could've at least still got paid sumn for that.
No sense in continuing to record when that’s not what people are going to hear at a show. That’ll only disappoint people who are looking to hear what they heard on the record.
ITS MORE THAN THAT MIKE WENT INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION THAT CAUSED HIM TO BE DISTANT FROM THE GUYS. ITS OUT THERE NOW THEY NOW SHAWN IS SAYING MIJE IS THRE BROTHER FOR LIFE BUT THEY CAN'T SIT AND TALK .
It’s sad when your friends since childhood then unfortunately something like this happens. Walter Williams (The O’Jays) went through the same thing but he continued I work but he said he was in a lot of pain. Everyone is different.
I believe he Shawn should've watched the show Mike never put the group down and he really let a lot of his feelings out. Maybe he would've seen his perspective
I'm grateful i listened to this because Boyz is Men is my favorite group and I was so disappointed with them. Nate DID throw a great deal of shade on Shade45 Lord Sear's show in regards to Mike. I like Shawn's tactful response.
Mike said that he has multiple sclerosis, not scoliosis, very different actually. He admitted that he should've told them and his wife but it was a hard diagnosis to deal with.
Dealing with a friend, lover or sibling who is depressed is not easy. Most times the mentally stable person will try the best they can to reach out and extend a helping hand, unfortunately the depressed one pushes away all the time… until the one helping gives up
For Nate 2 come 2 his house & he chooses not 2 answer the door knowing who it was ringing that bell or knocking on that door is hurtfull, i have respect for mike but you have to tell your brothers what's going on so they can help because they love you, im sure if Nate, Wanya, or Shawn was going through the same issues Mike would want either of them to communicate with him instead of walking away from what they built together.
When the camera's on, it's very easy to say that it's all about business and nothing personal. There's so much left to be said in this case and even Shawn said at the end of this clip that "brothers fight and have disagreements too". That line only shows how much there are personal matters to deal with as well. We don't everything in this one...
@@arnoldsiebu9202 I never the guys if boyz ii men say MIKE had a drinking problem. Mike went into a deep DEPRESSION with caused him to separate himself from the guys. Plus he never mentioned he had MS, it's out there now so they're grown men .
No matter what people say. They will always be brothers no matter what. Mike is definitely impartially responsible for him not being in the group. He would not show up Mike would disappear then pop up from out of nowhere. But the bottom line is they will always be brothers and he will always be apart of their history and they apart of his. No different with New Edition and Bobby Brown.
Ok, we're childhood friends and everybody has known each other for years. This is when the EMPATHY should come. Put yourself in his shoes. He can't walk the way he used to, can't dance anymore, think people are judging his appearance. What would you do and what would you want done for you. I'm sure the furthest thing he wanted was to hurt or inconvenience you.
💯💯💯💯my thoughts Exactly...where's the compassion and forgiveness rather than just go on not speaking to him for all these years...regardless of what they perceived at the time about his sudden estranged behavior...ok cool...that was then...but now is all that matters and today in 2020 everyone knows he has MS which also brought on a deep depression as the real underlying reason for his behavior...so if he's their so called brother then where's the brotherly love and compassion. Ijs😏
What did Michael McCarey expect? Social loafing will destroy a business, especially if you are not communicating and letting people help you. I understand that he was depressed and probably going through something that the rest of the group members will never understand, but to just drop off the face of the globe when they are still paying you was not right. Boyz II Men made a business decision to protect their future, and sometimes that's just what it is. No love lost.
I wish Shawn would've talked about Mike choking him while saying "I'll kill you." According to Shawn, this was during the time that Mike wasn't showing up to gigs claiming back pain. They caught Mike playing basketball. Playing hard too lol. Not too long after they had a meeting of the minds & decided it was time for Mike to go. Mike came through & when he was told, he snapped on Shawn. I was like 😳 throughout that interview lol. I also hollered when Shawn talked about being choked by Mike 🤣🤷🏾♀️. He said Mike kept screaming "I'll kill you" or "I'm going to kill you." I forgot where Wanya & Nate were at the time of the attempted murder but I believe one if not both ran back in the room to get Mike off of him 🤣😭.
If you never had a debilitating disease or chronic pain you wouldn't understand not being able to talk, get out if bed, or answer the phone. Shawn sounded like a real a hole in the interview. I hope they all make peace soon. Life is too short.
Understandable but he had to communicate some how. They couldn’t carry him much longer. If the dude couldn’t get out of bed , etc etc then they did the right thing by moving on from him. Their life don’t stop because of his issues. Eventually they would have to cut him out anyway
How can you blame someone who's been given a diagnosis that is equivalent to slow death? It wasn't their disease, it was his. People always think they have to be in on everything you're dealing with, without realizing that you haven't dealt with it yourself. As a friend, sometimes you have to step back. Don't say what he should've done. He dealt with his diagnosis the best way he could at the time. It was the people around him who dealt with his diagnosis badly. And yes, you may feel in top of the world today, and tomorrow you'll lose your mind. That's depression! They should've suggested therapy and gotten some for themselves as well.
Even if Mike never comes back to the group, I pray that they can all heal from this and start back speaking.
True
EXACTLY AND THEY CLAIM MIKE IS THERE BROTHER FOR LIFE
@@celestematthews3266 Brother for life, yet when he could not perform he was tossed from the group and his bandmates did not call him .
@@debrajames6316 EXACTLY SO SAD AND SHAWN TALKING LIKE HES SO INNOCENT. HE CLAIM HE DONT LIKE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON THAT'S NOT THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF, WHEN THEY WAS ON THE LARRY KING SHOW HE CALLED MIKE A MIMIC.
@@celestematthews3266 Well said. The truth has already surfaced. Boyz to Men did not honor Mike's legacy and friendship.
C'mon man- Mike was clearly slipping into depression because of his condition, have some sympathy for the man.
Exactly
That's what I'm saying. Idk the whole story, but it doesn't have SHIT to do with ambition.
Exactly.
Should have been more supportive of him in regards to that vs the money but it is a business and they have managers, I guess.
People weren't as aware of these types of issues when they were going through their thing.
exactly.
I'm not sure what people expect. I love BoyzIIMen and I love Mike's voice. When someone is not showing up and not taking your calls there's not much else you can do. They tried to bring Mike back for a 20 yr Anniversary tour but it didn't work out. I'm sure there's blame enough to go around but he needed to show up and communicate.
Mike did came back for the 20th anniversary he said they wanted to split the pie three ways and he gets less.
Yes I know because they never left. They continued to work their brand. I understand both arguments and wish they could have come to an agreement.
@@michandylee6265 EXACTLY THEYRE GROWN MEN NOW THEY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND LET IT OFF THERE CHEST.
@@michandylee6265 EXACTLY
@My LunaVerse True
Mike has MS...studies have shown MS affects AA men very aggressive. It not only affects you physically but emotionally !!
Living w MS ain’t no joke and everyday is different 💔
Exactly!
and it can affect your vocal chords.
Thank you! So when they say that they tried to work with him, I believe that, but they were also impatient because they didn't understand this disease. Sounds like they're still not understanding and are angry with him, but this is Mike's disease and not theirs. As a friend, it's not about you, it's about your friend and how he's really doing. They could've gotten him therapy. They are angry about the money, but they still have not admitted that he literally got a death sentence at a young age because that's what I'm sure the diagnosis felt like.
please don’t!
@@suzanneweary9739 Mike went on Iyanla show and confessed that he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, he kept it to himself and didn't tell the guys. He even confessed that he went into a deep depression that caused him to be distant from the guys.
THEY NEED TO DO A BOYZ II MEN MOVIE!
I definitely agree. I would watch d hell outta that movie.
Surprised they didn't make one already!
Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!
💯
Yea I was saying this after the new edition movie premiered
I think Shawn is telling the truth mike was a big part of the group.. At the end of the day it comes down to business
Shawn isnt in the bio channel him and Mike had gotten into it and he told Mike he was got of the group.
IT'S CALLED DEPRESSION and MENTAL DEFEAT when your body fails you and those around you are still able to do as they have been with no change
That's absolutely true
He acknowledged that in this interview but they’re not mental health professionals and the brand had to continue.
@@jwdathefax377 Stockman was a jerk and controlled the group for his safety cause he had the weakest, most uninteresting voice in the group.
@@FreeDom-id6yb Nate did more “controlling” than anyone in the group because he was behind organizing the harmonies. And what you said about Shawn is your opinion and had nothing to do with the video.😒
@@jwdathefax377 i read the history of the group...the original members were marc nelson and nathan. Nathan and Shawn had a power struggle. The other guys started to fall under shawn's control even though he nor wanya were originals - as Shawn initiated vote to kick out Marc. Look it up...its not my opinion..it's documented. more or less your stuff is opinion.
The bottom line is the world needs Boyz II Men back! It would be something good in 2020! Peace!
@Ken Snyder Awwww
@Ken Snyder Right
That would be great as well if one member bump into Mike, I hope Nathan he seems more like the peace maker to me. Sit down and have a man to man real talk it'll happen.
Huh??? They never left! Where you been?
@@djsoulchild I’m talking about as a whole! The Four of them would be a nice thing moving forward! That’s all! Peace!
“No! No! Please! Ask it! Ask it!”
He’s like let’s clear this up right now. LOL!!
Lol
EXACTLY THEY CLAIM ITS ALL LOVE FOR MIKE, I CAN'T SAY THEY DONT CAUSE MIKE BASS TOUCHED A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEYLL NEVER BE COMPLETE AGAIN WITHOUT MIKE. I PRAY THAT ONEDAY THEYLL BE ABLE TO WORK THINGS OUT ITS NOT SLL ON MIKE THREE AGAINST ONE THEY HANDS WAS IN IT AS WELL.
@@terucks Shawn seems like hes HOLDING in
I spoke to Shawn on the phone at Gerald Levert crib one time! Real cool brother! RIP to Big G, Sean Levert and my uncle Wah Wah Watson!!!!
Wow! Didn’t know your uncle Wah Wah Watson passed. So sorry to hear it. One of my favorite guitar players from back in the day. May he R.I.P.🙏🏾🕊🎸👍🏾
Yes Wah passed away 2 years ago! What’s crazy is that I hear him still on the radio like all of the time!! He is still with us and has left his DNA here for sure!! Thanks! Unc was that dude!!!!!!!!!! From Marvin Gaye to Maxwell! Pa Pa Was A Rolling Stone, Lets Get it On, ABC, Car Wash, I will Survive, The Love Theme and so many many more!!!!!
@John Campbell LoL I wish! I know some people!
Boyz ll Men is a great group, one of my favs,but they're not the same without Michael 'Bass' Mccrary. Just my opinion.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT AND THEY KNOWS IT AS WELL.
Agreed
I second dat......n im a Philly bul....one of da greatest since. Da Temptations
@@ogtripplog215iiiifffff 😏
Yup!...totally agree!!!
I really appreciate the fact that he still has love for Mike. I truly hope one day that Mike returns to the group.
He can't return with that broke back
I'd love to see that happen!!!💯
Even if they just did another studio album would be great!!!💯
@JaySinger Mike went into a deep DEPRESSION and kept it to himself but he said he didnt trust them.
Love is action, not what you say. It’s not love when you haven’t spoken in years.
Crazy seeing the grey.
how times flies...
OG shit , it's a blessing
@@jonathanlewis6834 no doubt.
he's been coloring that shit in for years lol
He looks very handsome💙🤗💙
As a boyz to men fan I understand .It's disappointing but what shawn is saying is that there came a point when they could no longer carry michael anymore .It's business.Michael was there boy and just not another group member so this cut deeper for them but as a business they couldn't stop because that's their life.
TRUE BUT MICHAEL FID ADMIT ON ON IYANLA THAT HE HAD MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND WENT INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION THAT CAUSED HIM TO BE DISTANT FROM THE GUYS. HE KEPT IT ALL TO HIMSELF AND IM HAPPY HE GOT IT OFF OF HIS CHEST.
Completely understandable. Their life couldn’t stop just because of his personal issues. It’s buisinrss and they aren’t obligated to him
Poor old Mike, I remember when his girl was out all night cheating on him but he didn’t care because he’d loved her anyway. She just didn’t know how much she meant to him. 😢😢😢
AWWWW LIFE IS TO SHORT TO NOT BE SPEAKING OVER FOOLISHNESS, CLAIM MIKE IS STILL THERE BROTHER HE'S AN ORIGINAL MEMBER HE'LL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
celeste matthews ummm that don’t relate to my comment at all 😳
@@nguont Ok
@@nguont 😏
celeste matthews come on now. Don’t be mad at me. 😆😆
Sounds like it was all business and nothing personal.
I agree
Nah it was some personal stuff too. Mike and Shawn knuckled up at wanya house
"Let's see the sample."
That’s right....business is business and friendship is something else. Getting paid still and you are not showing up? I’d drop him the professional way too.
You can't really tell that from hearing one side.
Smh. Title states he'll explain the "beef", but the first thing he says is there's no beef. These channels should be banned for these bs titles.
I agree.
Exactly!! “Click bait”🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Honestly, I'm glad there's no personal beef.
Black he did explain it. He said, Mike wasn’t as motivated as they were and was starting to mess with their bottom dollar. So it was best to part ways. Every explanation doesn’t have to be juicy. Lol
The clickbait is real 😂😂😂
Shawn is right. I remember seeing Mike perform sitting on a bench or using a cane. Mike even admitted that he never disclosed the severity of his illness to the group and even to his family.
Mike confession on Iyanla that he went into a deep DEPRESSION that caused him to be distant from the guys. He even admit he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS he kept bbn to himself and told noone. With I blame him they knew he had back problems SCOLIOSIS. They're not so INNOCENT THEMSELVES Mike was wrong in ways.
Listen to Shawn saying that it was back pain even though he knows differently. No empathy, and I sense animosity too, because the group has never been the same again. He still refuses to give him any credit. What if you got a diagnosis that you were suffering from a disease with no cure and you will slowly wilt away? Business, what business when you all need a break to deal with the news? Shawn sounds like he doesn't even want him to receive royalties.
@@suzanneweary9739 Mike admits himself that he didn’t tell anyone about his diagnosis, not even his wife. Also, it IS business. And, just like at ANY job, you only get paid so long for not showing up.
I agree. Can’t get paid if you won’t show up or can’t show up.
I understand the depression but he allowed himself into depression. It’s his fault for not disclosing the information and not being honest. They tried to work with him. What else can they do
@@suzanneweary9739 Since when does having an illness make you not have to be a responsible adult? You can't just not show up and expect to be paid in ANY field.
Mike got paid equally from 1997 to 2003 where he literally contributed nothing to the group. He missed shows without telling people. He actually went missing during the release of their last album as 4 members ( the full circle album). He sabotaged that album forcing LA Reid to release the group from Arista records. Its a lot that Mike did that the remaining members have hid from the public
trueskool1977 though I have listened to the Full Circle album a gazillion times since it came out, until I read your comment I hadn’t realized that Mike wasn’t on any of the songs.....at least not that I can remember. Wow! Shawn said he wasn’t as passionate about music like the rest of them were and maybe that was because he wasn’t that good of a singer as the others. He made a major contribution to the group in the harmony singing bass, which was dope for that era. The sound of music started to change by the time they started recording Full Circle, which was phasing out 4 and even three part harmonies. I believe him feeling like he wasn’t as talented as they were, the lack of need for a bass singer, and his MS all led to his depression and ultimately leaving the group. It really was sad.
@@standforluv no he is on the album. What people don't know is that nate shawn and wanya wrote half of the groups songs since the 1st album cooleyhighharmony. Mike chose to never write yet they broke him off with their publishing as well. They also.said they created their songs and sound in the studio 🎙 and he would never contribute. Nate did all his parts and created his parts then all Mike would do is come in the studio and do what Nate told him. I agree his sound is unmatched and I wish they could all reunite
Straight to the point. Only true fans will understand.
@@trueskool1977 I wish they can reunite as well as all of that drama went to far plus they haven't seen him in years. That's ashame make up make us fans see four MEMBERS together again.
@@standforluv I agree with you on THAT Mike said they had him feeling a certain kind of way. He went into a deep DEPRESSION that's what keep him distant from his group mates. They was down playing him in interviews plus Shawn call him a MIMIC they're lying
Shawn Stockman staying classy and respectful. I hope Mike McCary is in good health.
He's my faaaaaaav😲😫😭!😁
The most Classy group on the planet.Staying respectful even in disagreements.Thats the real boyz to men.We miss his voice in the group and i pray they all heal.
Shawn still looks goooooooooood
LOOK WORN OUT AND OLD NAH
I agree he’s still very handsome
@@nicoledavis6344 He was never handsome in my view 😔
Getting better with age!
@@ladydignity Looks old
I feel the sincerity of Shawn's comments and experience with Mike.He has a good spirit ☑
HE WASN'T TO MUCH IN GOOD SPIRITS WHEN HES WITH HIS GROUP. HE'S QUICK TO DOWN TALK THERE'S INNOCENT ABOUT HIM AT ALL.
I don't. Ive seen other interviews and he makes crappy statements about Mike in a nice tone. That does not make one have a good spirit.
@@tashamack366 So true especially when he's with the guys, hes alone and acting like hes so in love with MIKE
He said that Mike had back pain. No, he had MS. He is still dismissive of Mike's disease even though there is a plethora of information out there about it.
@@suzanneweary9739 Mike went on Iyanla show and confessed that he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS. He also admit that that he kept it a secret and didn't told anyone about it. Shawn isn't INNOCENT either he SHADED Mike as well.
I pray they all come together and give their fans a new album.shawn seems really sincere and honest.
SHAWN IS HOLDING BACK WHEN IF THE GROUP WAS THERE HE WOULD HAVE SAID MORE. HE ALSO SAID WHICH I HE DONT LIKE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHEN THEYRE NOT THERE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.
Well, he confessed on Iyanla that he was diagnosed with MS and he didn't feel like he could tell his band members.
Alexander J. Battle they knew
And MS can affect you in very complex ways that people that don’t have it don’t understand those even close to you don’t understand... I have it and I know I don’t you are so drained
I wish he had watched the Iyanla show with Mike because Iyalan helped Mike understand that his handling of MS affected his personal relationships with not just his band members and friends but with his family. It was deep and it wasn't about exposing his band members but about helping Mike take accountability for his lack of communicating his issues and dealing with them but expecting everyone in his life to know what he was feeling all while not saying what he felt.
My sister has MS and every day is different. She wasn’t even 30 when she was diagnosed. She can barely walk, always in pain & sometimes can’t even get out of bed depending on the weather. The side effects from her medication makes her depressed and sometimes very irritated or angry. Imagine having to use a cane before you are even 30 years old & having something that cannot be cured. The rest of the group probably did not understand what he was going through or maybe they didn’t ask so he felt like they would not understand.
@@tanishawalls8689 💯Exactly! I watched it when it aired too and you summarized it up well. I also have a 1st cousin I grew up very close to that has MS...Which is why as much as I like Shawn...in fact, Shawn and Mike have ALWAYS been my 2 favorites in the group...but I still feel like Shawn is on some real BS in this interview and here's why I say that....
First of all...He said he didn't watch more than a few seconds of the show because Mike knows "they don't get down like that airing dirty laundry on tv shows etc.. "...I call BS on that...cause let's NOT forget Shawn had pics with his full time mistress he was out right cheating on his wife with for years surfacing all over the internet...dirty laundry publicly displayed bro...
2nd...Every single time they are interviewed and asked about the Mike situation they tell the story as if it was all on Mike just acting like a no show...lazy...uncommitted ass...more specifically I'm referring to the Larry King interview they did where they all just dog Mike out and talked about him so badly and made it sound like he was just a lazy person that wanted to keep getting paid without working...which was NOT at all the case...that Larry King interview is also posted here on RUclips...but I digress...
Like you said, if he had watched the full Iyanla show episode he would have gotten a more clearer perspective of what was REALLY going on with Mike...who he by the way say's is still his "brother"...well had he watched the show he'd realized from it that Mike did not go on there to expose any dirty laundry about them...he went on the show for his own personal emotional and mental and spiritual healing breakthrough...which included his past situation as member of the group with them...but he also revealed that he was going through a very deep depression during the period of first being diagnosed with MS...which again...had Shawn watched the whole show would've known is probably the reason Mike became so withdrawn to the degree of not even answering his door or any phone calls during that time period...
The man was going through it so badly from his MS diagnosis that he even alienated himself from his own wife and kids causing himself to lose them as well...so come on Shawn...if he say's Mike is still and will always be his brother then my issuse with them is where is the compassion for your so called brother...especially after now knowing that the underlying reason for his sudden estranged behavior was due to a VERY serious health condition called MS which led to him going into a very deep depression...
But all that aside...Now all of them being full grown men and no longer boys and all these years later have past without even speaking...where's the brotherhood in that...why not reach out to each other now and make amends on both sides...especially with all the current madness going on in the world and our country currently...we all may not get a tomorrow to make things right with folks we really love...
So that's what I have a problem with...that they still have not tried to talk and make it right with each other after all this time and have gone on not speaking for far too long yet keep saying he's their brother. Where's the empathy you would show a true brother? Ijs
Sorry for my rant...they're not losing money or sleep over our opinions though...I'm sure they could careless what we think. Lol😏💗
In my life following entertainment and entertainers and talk shows, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a celebrity say to an interviewer “ask it” when he or she knew it was going to be a hard question. Props to Shawn
Shawn has matured into a really handsome, seasoned man.
Boyz II Men.. Philly... 4 lyfe!
Even when you have issues, you can keep it classy! Well done!
I've met Mike before, very nice person.
🤗
Lucky you 👌💞👌
Me too TODAY!
This breaks my heart. We love all of our BOYZ II MEN members. Till the end of the road.
@Ken Snyder Right
EXACTLY IT HURTS ME TO SEE THIS
The 30th anniversary of their debut CooleyHighHarmony is next year. I hope they can work it out and reunite.
WHO 30 YEARS MIKE WAS THERE FOR ALL OF THE MAJOR HITS
I’m so glad I finally got to hear another version of what took place between Mike and his former group members. Initially, when I heard the other three guys wouldn’t let him back into the group, it left a bad taste. I began to look at them totally different. It was said they didn’t want him back because they didn’t want to split the money four ways anymore. If Mike had decided to come back, he wouldn’t even receive an equal share. I was devastated because these cats were my favorite group in the late 90’s. Anyway, thanks Shawn for putting your brief spin on what took place. I personally have to remember there’s always two (or four in this case) sides to a story. Keep grinding guys, peace.
I haven’t really paid attention to the group since mike left. Not to say they aren’t a awesome group but his sound had the group sound complete.
I am the same way
kulture_kouture they’re just fine without him
Love ur name
Slic Buddy thank ya
Same
I worked at Arista form 2000 until 2003. And at that time thay rush that album and did it in a mouth. I didn't see Mike. But at the end of the day. I hope that thay sit down in talk it out. Even if it just for the brother hood. Mike is dealing with MS, and if you are dealing with somebody with MS. You would know that could be a very emotional rollercoaster at times. For the person that have it and relationships that they are in(all types)
OH wow, I didn't know he had MS. That changes things entirely in terms of fans wanting him to take part in the group again. Physically he likely is not up to that; the rigors of being a performer are tortuous for many with the disease.
@@stylecollective-qt9um Right I wish him well
I worked there too. I told clive davis i wanted a raise. He told me to kiss his azz
@@columbusohio72 Wow
When I was there Clive Davis was building J Record
Shawn is such a great spirit. Hopefully God willing they can all reach a point of clarity and all get back on the same page. We are all forever in debt to such a wonderful group of immense talent for blessing up with their music.
I hear what Shawn is saying....but i cant help but think about how they treated him on the day they got their star.
On top of that i have heard multiple producers speak out on B2M and their...demeanor.
If he knocks on your door what would you say to him?
Shawn: "what are you doing here" 😂😂😂
Acting all nice he would have alot to say
@@celestematthews3266 for real 💯
@@aPoLiGiZe9 Saying these things to the interviewer like hes so kind he shaded MIKE in interviews.
It will be like the normal jokes we play with ourselves!
There’s two sides to a story.
True, Mike explained his.
Period...
@@je39981 Right Shawn is not telling the TRUTH about some things hes holding in.
@@niggaplease91 MIKE MAY HAVE DONE WRONG IN WAYS BUT THEY'RE NOT INNOCENT EITHER. SHAWN SHADED MIKE ON THE LARRY KING SHOW CALLING HIM A MIMIC. THATS NOT LOVE AT ALL 😔
Mike admitted everything on Iyanla's show.
Lawd some of us black folks love drawing our own conclusions lol ...
Boyz ll men don’t do drama never really have .... I definitely believe Shawn and I think it was business ...
Y’all gotta also keep in mind THIS WAS THE 90s and the industry was booming then they definitely had to move forward I don’t think it’s a drama thing I think it was a career thing
Not that I wanna discredit Mike story because he is entitled to his truth and how he feels as well
um...no it wasn't the 90s. They released their last album with Mike in 2003. Even NMSW was released in 2000.
@@j800r_aswell there are several albums without Mike chy .... but ok .....
@@taegaines6334 Oh I know. I was just clearing up the tiny error that Mike left in the 90s. 2003's Full Circle was a great album and he was there for that. So it have to have been in the 00s when he was gone for good.
Or I completely misunderstood your point in which case you can just ignore me entirely. :)
That's 100 right there. It was all business.
My dude Shawn is one of my favorite singers ever. R&B legend.
@Ken Snyder Facts visions of a sunset is a classic for sure.
@Ken Snyder He actually released a solo ep last year called Shawn. You should check it out its fire.
Back in 2009, Biography did a special on Boyz ii Men and they gave more details about what happened with Mike. He was into it when they were huge megastars but started to become unreliable when things got bad. Basically, as their popularity started to decline, Mike wasn't showing up to shows and other appearances. Also he was lying (yes lying) about his ability to perform on stage. We all know he has MS, but Wanya said that Mike told them he couldn't perform on stage with them...yet they saw him playing full contact basketball. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Mike didn't show up to an international performance in Romania. They sent a car to Mike's house to get him to the airport, but Mike's wife told them to go on without him so only the three of them (Shawn, Wanya, Nate) went to the show. Guess what? They got sued for breach of contract since the 4th member (Mike) didn't show up. Mike was costing them business. Despite this, they were STILL paying him. Then, not too long after this, there was an incident at Wanya's house when Shawn and Mike got into an argument and Mike checked Shawn into a wall (Mike even admitted to this). From that day on, they all agreed that he was out of the group and he's been gone ever since. This whole story was told by the group on the Biography channel. You can go watch the video yourself at the biography website. As of today (June 14, 2020) the video is still up. The part about Mike starts at the 33 minute mark.
They don't owe Mike anything. He chose his own fate. Like Shawn said, he wasn't as passionate about the music as they were and his disinterest and unreliability is the reason he's gone.
MIKE WENT INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION THE FELLAS DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. THEY THOUGHT HE WAS JUST DISTANT. PLUS MIKE HAVE MS AND HE DIDNT WANT ANYONE TO KNOW THAT. WHAT YOU LEFT OUT IS SHAWN PICK THE ARGUEMENT.
@@celestematthews3266 Despite his depression, they did everything in their power to keep him involved, motivated, and paid. They didn't turn their backs on him, he turned his back on them. And yes Shawn picked the argument because they were all fed up with his behavior which led to the group getting sued and losing business. If Mike had been taking care of his duties as a member of the group, there would not have been anything to argue about. Plus, even though Shawn "picked" the argument, Mike is the one who escalated it to a physical altercation.
Ken Snyder Yes I understand that basketball could be good physical therapy. My point is that if he had the ability to play full contact b-ball then he also had the ability to show up to performances and other appearances.
@@Havok214 I can agree with you on that MIKE keep alot of things hidden, but he did td them he wasnt able to attend.
@Ken Snyder Its good to hear it from someone fighting the same illness.
I’m glad Kandi spoke up on her experience with them. Dallas Austin too. They do “roll like that”!
Very classy interview. Salute to Shawn and Tammi.
SHAWN'S HOLDING IF WANYA AND NATHAN WAS THERE HE WOULD HAVE ALREADY SHADE MIKE.
@@celestematthews3266 you gotta be involved in this situation emotionally... I see you commenting on several comments.. 🤣
@@Slab128 Why are you so concern if I am
@@celestematthews3266 🤣🤣 I dont want no problems mam. I'm not concerned. I was just commenting.. stay blessed
@@Slab128 And keep on laughing
They need to get him back!! The SOUND of the group changed, that baritone is missing 💯
I agree. Mike's voice part (bass) is definitely missing...😪❤
Not missing him at all! Nathan covers Baritone very well. Unfortunately he isn'
t needed at all.
Ken Snyder exactly he brought the distinction to their vocal tone. I use to love when he would talk in songs!!
Absolutely!
@@chevonallen491 how would you feel left out of something you've worked so hard to be apart off...
GTFOH
I appreciate him speaking about this. If you saw Mike on Iyanla Fix my life and Mike said he didn’t communicate his problems with his brothers/ group members. It has to be deeper than the surface because Mike also stated that he didn’t keep in touch with his own children for years, smh. I do hope that one day they can come back together.
Mike confession wasn't easy he admit he went into a deep, DEPRESSION that kept him distant from the guys. Plus when he reveal that he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS he didnt trust them. Him not telling his wife didnt had anything to do with the group.
They're situation with Mike is similar to Paul Williams with the Temptations he couldn't perform or contribute but they still got paid as if they was there . Only difference Mike never told them or his own wife what was really wrong if he did things would have been different once
Communication is key!
@@mskita007 True but it's about boyz ii men not his wife he was wrong for not telling her.
celeste matthews totally understand.
@@mskita007 Right
@JaySinger Sad I'm glad you mentioned it
You know something, we really want to believe that things can be mended with these groups we've grown up with. And I believe they can, but I also know that people grow and change. And Shawn said something interesting that "Mike wasn't as ambitious about music as they were." And sometimes that's the case. Sometimes it's the kind of music that a member may want to break away from doing. Either way, I've always enjoyed Boyz II Men. Quality group.
@Joe Smith Mike kept everything to himself he went into a deep DEPRESSION that caused him to be distant from the guys. Plus he didn't told him them he had MS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS.
Came here after watching Empressive channel. After how they treated Kandi, Dallas Austin, and Babyface, I feel like it’s them not mike 😂
I did the same thing... lol 😆 🤣
How did they treat Babyface, dumb ass? Is that why they are still close to Babyface till this day? Is that why even Babyface said Dallas was lying and they never were rude or disrespectful to him. Y’all so quick to jump in the comments and never know wtf you’re talking about
@@nadiac2268 They treated him the way Dallas Austin said they did. Get to the back of the short bus with your slow ass. Good bye dusty.
"We aint about doing exposés. We ain't about divulging information." Meanwhile, Shawn is sitting there doing an exposé, and divulging information.
They have said in other interviews that they had to rebuild their career afterwards and they almost broke up. They were each about to try and do solo careers. I know Shawn and Wan have solo songs from that period. I am so happy that they were able to severe the relationship with Mike and not end the group. No one else besides Boyz II Men have take what started as a Boy Band and thrived for 3 decades. I am super happy to have had my favourite boy band last all of these years. I have got the opportunity to see them 2 times in concert and met them once. They spent a significant amount of time with me when I met them :-) If they had broken up I would never have been able to. I wish Mike well, but I don't feel bad about it.
Boyz II Men were super powerful with Mike, all of them needed one another to be who they were!!! Never in my life have I heard Harmonies like theirs!!! They'll always be my favorites!!! The 90's were special for them!!! 💯
@Ken Snyder Indeed it was, man I can only imagine now!!! So many memories and different groups to listen to!!!
1. Boyz II Men
2. Silk
3. Jodeci
4. Jagged Edge
5. Shai
6. Dru Hill
7. H-Town
8. BBD
9. Black Street
10. Intro....
I mean we had the best of the Best😎💯....I know there's some that I'm missing but the list is endless!!!!
Clark Sisters had the best harmony
I pray you guys get back together and talk out your difference. I have lupus and I've lost friends in the beginning of this illness dealing with things I couldn't do an pains I couldn't explain. Love you guys I pray it will all work out.✊🏾❤️🙏🏽
It's crazy people saying BOYZ II MEN will NEVER be the same without mike let's be real they still get booked gigs residency in VEGAS mike is really not missed at all to me Nathan is amazing with the bass vocals y'all just use to seeing 4 of them instead of 3...i seen them live at the Kennedy center in D.C and i was like mike who? They did an amazing job i fell in love with them all over again.. I want them to sing at my wedding
Biggest boyz ii men fan til the end
I remember when he was first started sitting during the concerts.
Yeah Mike had nice bass but people sleeping on Nathan like i did at first until i heard them sing live and i was like WHOA!!! his voice was amazing plus he can sang as well and on alot of boyz ii men songs nathan sings the lead
I am glad that Shawn explained everything because I had my own personal protest against the group as I thought that the group did Mike wrong. Now hearing the other side, I can understand and have a better appreciation for the group. It is still not the same without him, but I can now not associate the group with negativity and wrong doings.
There's always two sides, then there's the truth
@@Black____ Right
SHAWN IS HOLDING BACK ALOT OF THINGS IF NATHAN AND WANYA WAS WITH HIM HE WOULD BE TALKING HIS HEAD OFF. MIKE MSY HAVE DID WRONG IN W AS YS BUT THEY ARE NOT PERFECT THEMSELVES THEY DID DIRT AS WELL.
I know what it's like to have a person not match you drive. It's frustrating when you have to always be the one reaching out, or having to make sure they are holding up their end of the bargain. Especially when it comes to just picking up the phone or answering the phone. It does come to a point to where there is nothing more you can do side from continuing to pacify the situation and further frustrating everyone. It then becomes a burden to do even the simple of routine task. I understand why they had to let him go. When you've tried to hold on and the other party isn't trying to hold on you're just carrying dead weight at that point.Then it is what it is.
💯
Thank you Tammi for bringing up the Whispers.
Seems like Mike was just depressed because of what he was going thru. Everyone deals with things their own way.
"I would (hug him if he showed up at my door) but I'm like...that's my brother... we're brothers...he'll always be my brother".
SO TALK TO HIM. It's been YEARS. You can disagree, argue, fuss and fight while still communicating and having an eagerness to reconcile.
That’s what mike gotta do first
I would love to see the group perform together again. Come on BET Awards ... Let’s do this !!
Great conversation
I love me some Boys 2 Men - especially Shawn. Some of the most beautiful blend of voices EVER. But without Mike it’s not the same. As far as I’m concerned, sit Mike in a chair and let him sing 🎵 🙏🏽
He still has to show up
@@michandylee6265 I believe he would he went into a deep DEPRESSION plus he hold it inside about MS
Shawn is being so genuine . I pray Mike get it together and come back 😥
What are you talking about? The man is not well
It would have been nice if you could have called Mike during this interview with Shawn
RIGHT
And Brothers make up too. But it sounds like Mike has to be the one to make the first move.
NAH THE BROTHER'S HAD A PART IN IT AS WELL
celeste matthews stubbornness at its finest
@@LatrellHassell 😏
Yea this happened 20 years ago why is it being discussed NOW??
they are on lockdown with nothing else to do.
@@Xcoming2 Right plus its gonna continue until
RIGHT THEY WERE A BIG BBN IG GROUP THAT SOLD 60 MILLION RECORDS. PLUS MIKE MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG IN MANY WAYS BUT THEY'RE NOT INNOCENT EITHER.
@@Xcoming2 True plus the interviewer asked
@M B True but all of the drama plus the other three guys shaded Mike in interviews. Life is to short plus Shawn said he haven't seen Mike in years the last he heard Mike was on Iyanla show.
Maybe he stopped showing up for shows because he was tired of watching yoku all be jerks. The ppl are saying that Mike was the only down to Earth one.
I never got the vibe that mike was as devoted as the others. I don't think he loved it as much. I think they got tired of begging and said fuck it. I don't think Mike appreciated the image of Boyz 2 Men. I think they were a lil softer than who he was. The back issues made it a lot easier to leave. I would have still recorded with the group but not toured. He could've at least still got paid sumn for that.
No sense in continuing to record when that’s not what people are going to hear at a show. That’ll only disappoint people who are looking to hear what they heard on the record.
ITS MORE THAN THAT MIKE WENT INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION THAT CAUSED HIM TO BE DISTANT FROM THE GUYS. ITS OUT THERE NOW THEY NOW SHAWN IS SAYING MIJE IS THRE BROTHER FOR LIFE BUT THEY CAN'T SIT AND TALK .
It’s sad when your friends since childhood then unfortunately something like this happens. Walter Williams (The O’Jays) went through the same thing but he continued I work but he said he was in a lot of pain. Everyone is different.
Mental Health is no joke and that sounds exactly what he is talking about.
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They were co workers.
Why do people understand what that means in their own lives, but not when it comes to entertainers?
I believe he Shawn should've watched the show Mike never put the group down and he really let a lot of his feelings out. Maybe he would've seen his perspective
I'm grateful i listened to this because Boyz is Men is my favorite group and I was so disappointed with them. Nate DID throw a great deal of shade on Shade45 Lord Sear's show in regards to Mike. I like Shawn's tactful response.
Can’t we all just get along. (In my Martin Lawrence voice) #lovemesomeboyzIImen ❤️
Mike said that he has multiple sclerosis, not scoliosis, very different actually. He admitted that he should've told them and his wife but it was a hard diagnosis to deal with.
He handsome and can sing for real ....💕💕💕🥰🥰
They put out that he was too sick to perform and I’ve been praying for him ever since
I'm sorry but Mike's voice was inviting, it's not the same without him.
My era. Loved this group. Shawn sounds very reasonable.
He looks great 😍😍
Dealing with a friend, lover or sibling who is depressed is not easy. Most times the mentally stable person will try the best they can to reach out and extend a helping hand, unfortunately the depressed one pushes away all the time… until the one helping gives up
For Nate 2 come 2 his house & he chooses not 2 answer the door knowing who it was ringing that bell or knocking on that door is hurtfull, i have respect for mike but you have to tell your brothers what's going on so they can help because they love you, im sure if Nate, Wanya, or Shawn was going through the same issues Mike would want either of them to communicate with him instead of walking away from what they built together.
I like how Shawn clarify things with the group.
Mike admitted his part for him leaving the group. Especially when Iyanla made him accountable for his own actions towards the other members.
But she didn't actually make him accountable, he once again blamed EVERYONE ELSE for HIS LIES. He only went on it to get sympathy.
Looking back I remember seeing him sitting down singing and now I understand why! Weird situation
Shawn, my crush of 25 years, lol. ❤️❤️❤️
Mine too💙
When the camera's on, it's very easy to say that it's all about business and nothing personal. There's so much left to be said in this case and even Shawn said at the end of this clip that "brothers fight and have disagreements too". That line only shows how much there are personal matters to deal with as well. We don't everything in this one...
Sounds like Mike was distancing himself due to MS.
Angel Johnson no they didn’t
@@amcra1 Mike keep alot of things to himself and that's why when he went into a deep DEPRESSION. They thought he was just off and didn't want to work.
@Angel Johnson ok
Mike said that because of his back problems he became less interested and started drinking excessively which led to him not making promo duties
@@arnoldsiebu9202 I never the guys if boyz ii men say MIKE had a drinking problem. Mike went into a deep DEPRESSION with caused him to separate himself from the guys. Plus he never mentioned he had MS, it's out there now so they're grown men .
They also said “we realized we don’t need him we can do them notes” stop that capping Shawn
This shit reminds me of the five heart beats movie.
😂😂😂💯True
Well there you go. From the source. Thank you Shawn. Best r&b group in my opinion. 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
They was on tour last year and sold out
GREAT FOR THEM MY FAVORITE MALE GROUP OF ALL TIMES, IF MIKE HAD REUNITE AGAIN IT'LL GO DOWN IN HISTORY.
No matter what people say. They will always be brothers no matter what. Mike is definitely impartially responsible for him not being in the group. He would not show up Mike would disappear then pop up from out of nowhere. But the bottom line is they will always be brothers and he will always be apart of their history and they apart of his. No different with New Edition and Bobby Brown.
So true
Ok, we're childhood friends and everybody has known each other for years. This is when the EMPATHY should come. Put yourself in his shoes. He can't walk the way he used to, can't dance anymore, think people are judging his appearance. What would you do and what would you want done for you. I'm sure the furthest thing he wanted was to hurt or inconvenience you.
💯💯💯💯my thoughts Exactly...where's the compassion and forgiveness rather than just go on not speaking to him for all these years...regardless of what they perceived at the time about his sudden estranged behavior...ok cool...that was then...but now is all that matters and today in 2020 everyone knows he has MS which also brought on a deep depression as the real underlying reason for his behavior...so if he's their so called brother then where's the brotherly love and compassion. Ijs😏
Umm the man tried to choke Shawn out while telling him he was gonna kill him....
What did Michael McCarey expect? Social loafing will destroy a business, especially if you are not communicating and letting people help you. I understand that he was depressed and probably going through something that the rest of the group members will never understand, but to just drop off the face of the globe when they are still paying you was not right. Boyz II Men made a business decision to protect their future, and sometimes that's just what it is. No love lost.
That’s right
I wish Shawn would've talked about Mike choking him while saying "I'll kill you." According to Shawn, this was during the time that Mike wasn't showing up to gigs claiming back pain. They caught Mike playing basketball. Playing hard too lol. Not too long after they had a meeting of the minds & decided it was time for Mike to go. Mike came through & when he was told, he snapped on Shawn. I was like 😳 throughout that interview lol. I also hollered when Shawn talked about being choked by Mike 🤣🤷🏾♀️. He said Mike kept screaming "I'll kill you" or "I'm going to kill you." I forgot where Wanya & Nate were at the time of the attempted murder but I believe one if not both ran back in the room to get Mike off of him 🤣😭.
What's the name of the interview? I've heard that same thing.
OMG this is my first time hearing this!
@@mommypapi I'm just seeing your response. RUclips notifications have been tripping for a minute 🤬. I forgot who interviewed him but I'll Google it.
@@ecclairmayo4153 Crazy right? I'll Google it & hopefully get a link.
@@mommypapi Can't find a link or article 🤬.
The internet will makeup the dumbest shit and run with it like its facts...never take internet rumors serious
If you never had a debilitating disease or chronic pain you wouldn't understand not being able to talk, get out if bed, or answer the phone. Shawn sounded like a real a hole in the interview. I hope they all make peace soon. Life is too short.
Understandable but he had to communicate some how. They couldn’t carry him much longer.
If the dude couldn’t get out of bed , etc etc then they did the right thing by moving on from him. Their life don’t stop because of his issues. Eventually they would have to cut him out anyway
And you sound like a real moron too.
How can you blame someone who's been given a diagnosis that is equivalent to slow death? It wasn't their disease, it was his. People always think they have to be in on everything you're dealing with, without realizing that you haven't dealt with it yourself. As a friend, sometimes you have to step back. Don't say what he should've done. He dealt with his diagnosis the best way he could at the time. It was the people around him who dealt with his diagnosis badly. And yes, you may feel in top of the world today, and tomorrow you'll lose your mind. That's depression! They should've suggested therapy and gotten some for themselves as well.