A wonderful discussion. Opens my mind and heart to a "different" viewpoint. But the comments regarding martyrdom are humbling and thrilling. God is in charge. Indeed.
Breath of fresh air! It is an act of biblical integrity to read a text truthfully. Most of what we've been taught are someone's reading of the text, maybe, based on their prejudices, biases, denomination or particular preference, not the document as an objective truth. Sometimes what some may have said was the "word of God" was their interpretation. How do you read Revelation and look for Antichrist and beasts outside the first century first, to whom it was written (as a pastoral consolation for the sufferings they were enduring) before you look elsewhere? Each text must be read on its own merits, not on the interpretation of some Millenialist, Amillenialist, Post-millenialist, etc. Because of that Hitler, Saddam, and many others were thought to be the Antichrist. Where are our brains?
Excellent presentation, ans in line from other videos and books I am reading. Revelation was written primarily for the early church in the first century or so. The Beast was Rome, i.e. the emperors. I also found interesting, the concept of ignoring chapter and verse numbers, and reading the Bible as we read other literature, not pulling out a single verse here and there. Thank you for this video. I would like other videos on Revelation! Praise God!
He is commenting from a preterist point of view. We are all welcome to agree or disagree or partially agree or disagree. What is absurd is the references about his age.
Dr. Fee has some good points to make on how to read the Bible, by ignoring those distracting chapter & verse numbers, and he is quite right that the Revelation is very subversive for the Roman Empire and that God is in charge. However, it is very sad to see an old man of his age completely lacking in basic understanding of God's unfulfilled purposes for the nation of Israel, of the the theme of OT prophecy esp Daniel, of the reason why there must still be a Tribulation period unlike anything the world has ever seen or will see, of the revival of the Roman Empire (as per Dan 2) which was never defeated but fragmented into the Western nations we know today...he doesn't even give our Lord Jesus Christ credit for The Revelation but instead attributes it to some intertestimental writing of John!
Jesus told Christians to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. God's Kingdom is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. Soon Jesus as King of kings will bring beautiful changes to the earth. There will be no more death, pain or sorrow on earth, Revelation 21:4,5. No more wickedness on earth, Psalms 37:9-11; Matthew 5:5; Proverbs 2:21,22. Jesus will do on a grand scale what he did when he walked the earth including raising those who are asleep in death, John 5:28,29. The earth will be cultivated into a Paradise like God intended in the beginning, Genesis 1:28; Isaiah 55:11. Jesus said that this good news of the Kingdom would be preached about in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come, Matthew 24:14. We must worship the Father with spirit and truth in order to receive everlasting life and the blessings that God has promised, John 4:22-24; John 17:3; Isaiah 42:8. Soon Jesus will make sure that God's Will is done on earth as it is in heaven, Matthew 6:9,10.
Sorry, im a man who reads Fee often and i like his take in bible interpretation generally, but his implicit preterist approach to the book of Revelation is just poor. There are insurrmountable problems with anything other than a futurist approach to the book of Revelation. The judgements (trumpers and bowls of wrath) upon the earth dwellers has never. been fulfilled for a start. I did a semester class on Revelation with a professor who did a doctorate in Bible interpretation from Fuller Seminary.. we observed the details of the book inductively to establish an overall picture. Arch charts... from the parts to the whole.I think he did a better job of it than Fee. Fee is better as a biblucal exegete and theologian (spirit and law is fantastic) than in hermenuetics. Even though his book on reading the bible has popular apeal.
@@derickchristopher2823 I've heard of it...interpreting the symbols...of some scholarly good. But I do notice many scholars are more fixated with their narrative than inductively working thru the text. It's a complex book and it's not all about future..as it's not written to us but for us (John Walton)..
So the question is where did the new Jerusalem landed, and where is the saints kings & priest leading the nations, & why is Satan still loose, this means that the old man is wrong, the Revelation of Jesus Christ is for the future, that old man is a false prophet.
He is a renowned biblical scholar have some respect for his contributions to the study of scripture. I as a seminarian has benefitted from his work. You may have disagreements but there are many who hold different views on interpreting revelation.
@@Elijah.19 the book of Revelation is a prophecy, is for the future rapture (caught up) the 4 horseman will be loose in the fifth trumpet, concerning the truth, & saying that the resurrection have past already is overthrowing the faith, 2timo 2:18
@@Elijah.19 there is no past in the book of Revelation, but symbolism from the past, that represents the future, all the seals are going to be open in the future, like I said, the 4 horseman are going to be release at the fifth trumpet.
The "old man" would probably agree that he is indeed "older" than many!! That also puts him closer to seeing Jesus. There are advantages to being "old."
@@juliorivera870 Different perspectives on Revelation and eschatology should be discussed respectfully without assigning individuals with a different view than mine (or yours) to some negative (or evil) category. Born again believers hold differing views on this (and other) topics.
A wonderful discussion. Opens my mind and heart to a "different" viewpoint. But the comments regarding martyrdom are humbling and thrilling. God is in charge. Indeed.
Breath of fresh air! It is an act of biblical integrity to read a text truthfully. Most of what we've been taught are someone's reading of the text, maybe, based on their prejudices, biases, denomination or particular preference, not the document as an objective truth. Sometimes what some may have said was the "word of God" was their interpretation. How do you read Revelation and look for Antichrist and beasts outside the first century first, to whom it was written (as a pastoral consolation for the sufferings they were enduring) before you look elsewhere? Each text must be read on its own merits, not on the interpretation of some Millenialist, Amillenialist, Post-millenialist, etc. Because of that Hitler, Saddam, and many others were thought to be the Antichrist. Where are our brains?
I love Gordon Fee. A great scholar and a wonderful human being.
Excellent presentation, ans in line from other videos and books I am reading. Revelation was written primarily for the early church in the first century or so. The Beast was Rome, i.e. the emperors.
I also found interesting, the concept of ignoring chapter and verse numbers, and reading the Bible as we read other literature, not pulling out a single verse here and there.
Thank you for this video. I would like other videos on Revelation! Praise God!
wow what a blessing this was!
The best Bible-based and Christ-centred teaching of Scripture. Amen
Dr. Fee, why do the Futurist think think they know it all and are so closed minded? You ar such a blessing!
Amen you are very good teacher of bible?
does it not open with the statement and then by inspiration I came to be in the day of the Lord???
He is commenting from a preterist point of view. We are all welcome to agree or disagree or partially agree or disagree. What is absurd is the references about his age.
I didn't know about the catacombs....
Dr. Fee has some good points to make on how to read the Bible, by ignoring those distracting chapter & verse numbers, and he is quite right that the Revelation is very subversive for the Roman Empire and that God is in charge. However, it is very sad to see an old man of his age completely lacking in basic understanding of God's unfulfilled purposes for the nation of Israel, of the the theme of OT prophecy esp Daniel, of the reason why there must still be a Tribulation period unlike anything the world has ever seen or will see, of the revival of the Roman Empire (as per Dan 2) which was never defeated but fragmented into the Western nations we know today...he doesn't even give our Lord Jesus Christ credit for The Revelation but instead attributes it to some intertestimental writing of John!
Jesus told Christians to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. God's Kingdom is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. Soon Jesus as King of kings will bring beautiful changes to the earth. There will be no more death, pain or sorrow on earth, Revelation 21:4,5. No more wickedness on earth, Psalms 37:9-11; Matthew 5:5; Proverbs 2:21,22. Jesus will do on a grand scale what he did when he walked the earth including raising those who are asleep in death, John 5:28,29. The earth will be cultivated into a Paradise like God intended in the beginning, Genesis 1:28; Isaiah 55:11. Jesus said that this good news of the Kingdom would be preached about in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come, Matthew 24:14. We must worship the Father with spirit and truth in order to receive everlasting life and the blessings that God has promised, John 4:22-24; John 17:3; Isaiah 42:8. Soon Jesus will make sure that God's Will is done on earth as it is in heaven, Matthew 6:9,10.
Sorry, im a man who reads Fee often and i like his take in bible interpretation generally, but his implicit preterist approach to the book of Revelation is just poor. There are insurrmountable problems with anything other than a futurist approach to the book of Revelation. The judgements (trumpers and bowls of wrath) upon the earth dwellers has never. been fulfilled for a start. I did a semester class on Revelation with a professor who did a doctorate in Bible interpretation from Fuller Seminary.. we observed the details of the book inductively to establish an overall picture. Arch charts... from the parts to the whole.I think he did a better job of it than Fee. Fee is better as a biblucal exegete and theologian (spirit and law is fantastic) than in hermenuetics. Even though his book on reading the bible has popular apeal.
@@derickchristopher2823 like a pan- millennialism... it will pan out in the end
@@derickchristopher2823 I've heard of it...interpreting the symbols...of some scholarly good. But I do notice many scholars are more fixated with their narrative than inductively working thru the text. It's a complex book and it's not all about future..as it's not written to us but for us (John Walton)..
So the question is where did the new Jerusalem landed, and where is the saints kings & priest leading the nations, & why is Satan still loose, this means that the old man is wrong, the Revelation of Jesus Christ is for the future, that old man is a false prophet.
He is a renowned biblical scholar have some respect for his contributions to the study of scripture. I as a seminarian has benefitted from his work. You may have disagreements but there are many who hold different views on interpreting revelation.
@@Elijah.19 the nice old man is miss leading everyone, with all respect for him , he is wrong
@@juliorivera870 May be misleading for you but he is giving his view
@@Elijah.19 the book of Revelation is a prophecy, is for the future rapture (caught up) the 4 horseman will be loose in the fifth trumpet, concerning the truth, & saying that the resurrection have past already is overthrowing the faith, 2timo 2:18
@@Elijah.19 there is no past in the book of Revelation, but symbolism from the past, that represents the future, all the seals are going to be open in the future, like I said, the 4 horseman are going to be release at the fifth trumpet.
This old man is writing that the rapture have already past, he is overthrowing the faith. 2timo 2:18
this "old man" you so disrespectfully call, is one of the greatest NT scholars ever!
@@derickchristopher2823 the rapture is the (HARPAZO) in Greek, the caught up, this is biblical, this is what I respect.
The "old man" would probably agree that he is indeed "older" than many!! That also puts him closer to seeing Jesus. There are advantages to being "old."
@@robertrobbins5691 this old man is overthrowing the faith 2timo 2:18, he thinks that the redemption of purchase possession had already accur.🤣
@@juliorivera870 Different perspectives on Revelation and eschatology should be discussed respectfully without assigning individuals with a different view than mine (or yours) to some negative (or evil) category. Born again believers hold differing views on this (and other) topics.