Responding to Pride Month | Fr. Jacob-Bertrand Janczyk & Fr. Patrick Briscoe
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- Responding to Pride Month | Fr. Jacob-Bertrand Janczyk & Fr. Patrick Briscoe
How should Catholics respond to pride month? Where does truth, charity, and the Gospel come into it all? What does pride month even mean? Should Catholics accept it, or can we be angry? Can we take back the month?
On this week's episode of Godsplaining, Fr. Jacob-Bertrand and Fr. Patrick discuss the moral issues of sexuality, identity, gender, true marriage, desires, tolerance, and more.
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O Sacred Heart of Jesus, I love You ❤🕊🔥
LOL the thumbnail looked like Fr. Patrick was holding the pride flags and I was like WHAT lol but it's just the arm of a different person
“Seldom affirm, never deny, always distinguish.” Sound familiar? A couple of reactions. It’s important to remember that not all Christian theologies conclude the same about human sexuality. These priests are qualified to present what Catholic theology and tradition have to say and what Catholics are expected to believe. Unfortunately, what is missing in their discussion is the consideration of how sexuality is embodied in different ways by different people in their relational lives. It would have been refreshing to have them address the lives of those GLBTG people who have remained in loving, committed, partnerships and marriages for decades. And, who have Jesus in the center of their lives. And, who participate in faith communities. And who actively do the best to love God and neighbor as oneself. Would these preachers choose to be in friendship with such individuals and couples to hear of the love experienced in these relationships, which nurture and evidence compassion towards others. It might help them get out of their heads, which is not the best place to be most of the time, for most of us. Finally, Pride Month. It’s not just about some people, mostly naked, dancing seductively in front of children. It’s not even necessarily about pride in being gay, any more than having to be proud about being straight. We are who we are, and some of us would say we were created to be. The pride that many of us share and celebrate in June is that we chose in our lives to serve others. We took part in helping projects as students, went to our churches, wiped bottoms as nurses and caretakers, treated physical ailments as doctors, taught the children, yes, did hair and arranged flowers too, worked in soup kitchens, raised money for the needy, and even presided at the altar. We did this as Jesus commanded. The Sermon on the Mount says it all. We did this in spite of getting bullied, beaten up, condemned, condescended too, called perverse and unnatural. We persevered in love and for that we can hold some pride.
For me June is the month of the Sacred Heart ❤️🔥❤️. This is what l honour and for the rest of the noise, l just pray that the Holy Spirit will enlighten them🙏🕊️💚☘️🇮🇪
Right answer. 😊
Amen
Show your Pride in Jesus Christ returning to destroy the Earth in Revelation.
7 Seals 7 Trumpets 7 Bowls. COME JESUS COME ! Come Destroyer of Worlds ! :-)
This was excellent, once again. Thanks, y'all.
more ecxcellence with truth ?If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Happy Sacred Heart of Jesus Month!
June is the month of sacred heart of Jesus. Not pride month.
Every year on the month of June is always dedicated to the "SACRED HEART OF JESUS". Definitely not for the lustful and gay people. Disgusting.
I have a hard time not being angry when the library is awash with pride flag and book displays, and I have a choice of bringing my kids through there and trying to dismiss or explain this to them, or avoiding the library in June and missing the summer reading activities. My little girl always loves the pride themed shirts and plushies because she is a little girl who loves rainbows.
I would suggest you tell your precious kids the real story of the Rainbow : it is a covenant between God and His people, His promise of Life to us, not the death that this group which stole that beautiful symbol is sending to mankind. We got to reclaim the Rainbow. God bless you✝️🙏🏽
@hippiechick73
I have the same problem!
I must admit that I get so angry to the point of being unforgiving so I would pray like James and John, the sons of Thunder, and ask GOD to rain down fire and brimstone on these perverts!
just want to add that it is not a rainbow that pride flag symbolizes (just learned this from an exorcist). a rainbow has 7 colors but pride flag only has 6. just pure distortion of what God has rightfully created
And hence...hippiechick...the whole problem with this stuff. It is rigorously promoted, targeted (your daughter is example A), and jammed down our throats at every turn....in stores, on TV, radio, at sporting events. For someone like myself who is a traditional Catholic, it makes me sick. I'm walking around Stop and Shop, a supermarket in my area, bemoaning the price of the groceries I am getting, and I have to listen to the pride announcements over the store loudspeaker while I am being raped at the register. Ridiculous.
Happy month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus! ❤
“This is what a nonviolent protest means, an intentional nonconformity to a trend...and that’s not nothing.” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
protest against ignorance ?If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
St Charles Lwanga and Companions
Pray for us!
Feast day: June 3
I think Fr Briscoe’s comment about mercy and how to respond is worthy of Papal consideration.
I really enjoyed the conversating! 😉😁. This was a great conversation and I love the idea of promoting the Sacred Heart in June. Great episode!
Don't engage? Passive resistance? Those are the kind of buzzwords the enemy loves to hear and it's the kind of approach that got us into our current mess in the first place. I love my parish but we had one priest who used to speak out against this wickedness and now he's gone. Whether one thing had to do with the other I can't say but he left the priesthood and as far as I know nobody has heard from him since.
In 2017, just prior to the inauguration, a whole group of LGBT activists showed up at VP Mike Pence's home and put on vulgar displays for the entire neighborhood to witness. A reporter asked a quarter dressed man why he was engaging in such lude behavior and he said he was doing it because Mike Pence and his entire neighborhood needed to see it. The reporter then asked him why they needed to see it and the man simply said; "they just do." That is evil for evil sake. No rational reason behind it. Just a demonic spirit at work inspiring a movement that is antithetical to God and God's creation.
They may feel they are just lashing out, having a bit of fun, but Satan doesn't see it as fun and games. This is spiritual warfare. That needs to be acknowledged and kissing the boo-boo of people engaged in mortal sin is not compassion. I'm not saying we should hate anyone, or get angry, but taking the libertarian position "You do you and I'll do me" is exactly what the enemy wants from us. The truth of the matter is the woke agenda or whatever you want to call it is a religion for a lot of people who reject God but still want to be a part of something larger than themselves. They have high priests and priestesses and at it's core is a doctrine of secular humanism with a heavy focus on hedonism and pagan rituals and festivals, like pride month. And the disciples of that religion are far more energized, far more zealous about evangelizing than we are. Normative behavior and basic rules of civility, the guardrails that once kept people's passions in check, have been removed. People in positions of power, instead of acting as good stewards support and promote the cause, treating it as the new state religion. That is not some rant, just an acknowledgement of the world of the way things are.
Like I say, I'm not calling for us to meet hatred with hatred or rage with rage, but passive resistance, especially on the part of of Church leaders? Well we've tried that haven't we. Not only do we have to not live the lie, we have to call it out for what it is in a peaceful way now before it escalates to the point where passions are inflamed beyond control on all sides. The problem requires leadership and for Church leaders it's not a choice, it's a requirement.
“Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you realize that we will be judged more strictly" ― James 3: 1
“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! says the Lord” ― Jeremiah 23:1
Pence did need to see it.
People like you (and Pence) need to see it. The people who believe as you do- they created pride. You did. Own it.
LGBT has been disowned, denied, dishonored, and y’all tried to destroy us. You sent us to conversion therapy. Y’all tried violence. You tried legislation. You tried to banish us. You harass us. You rape, beat, or murder us. You deny us. You lie about us. You weaponize parts of the Bible you don’t understand to use against us. Y’all have arrested us. Y’all have done everything you possibly can to hold us back.
You created gay pride. What did you think would happen?
LGBT isn’t ashamed to be authentic. We are who we are. You can’t hurt us- the more we come out, the safer we are. The more we come out, the more rights we have. The more we come out, the more queer kid lives we save.
You created that. Your thinking created that. The longer and harder you push against us, the stronger we become.
We have representation now. We have allies. I won’t put up with this.
So, the next time you see a gay person- make sure you look. Have a good long look. You created the moment that person came out.
Own it.
Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us
Why. ?
Revelation is clear : Earth is already condemned and slated for demolition.
Our Lady of Perpetual Help yard flag is going to be swapped out for Dieu Le Roi sacred heart flag. Catholicism is rich in symbolism and tangible expressions of the faith, take advantage of it. Take up space
My church was Dominican in Zanesville Ohio for over 100 yrs! So happy to find you via RUclips! Your little subscribe moment works! I’m in. Appreciate a straightforward teaching on Gay Pride Month and reminder of relativism deeply. Plan to share with others. Thanks!
Read Romans Ch. 1vs. 21-32 regarding this. Pray for Christ to forgive them.
The word is converse, not conversate. I had a middle school teacher who would get so upset whenever students would use the word conversate. 😂 Conversate is not a word.
What do you guys think of Matt Fradd's Reclaim the Month T-shirts?
I have one, I love it.
Disagree. We’re here, we’re queer and we’re going for your children demands a different focus to your response and how you interact with it.
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052 Amazing theory! So if you are born naturally predisposed to be a homicidal psychopath, don’t worry. Hey, it’s just based on genetics! There’s nothing wrong with you…
… until you kill someone.
Just because you’re born with particular traits doesn’t mean those traits are necessarily good for you or anyone else. Your logic is faulty.
What gives you the right to go after children? If it's genetic and normal, you shouldn't have to violate their space.
@@dan69052 If you’re an alcoholic or a homicidal psychopath, that’s also based in genetics. And clearly there _is_ something wrong with you. Just because you’re ‘born that way’ doesn’t mean it’s good for you (or anyone else) or that you don’t have to control it.
@@Clodaghbob I can tell by your response; you didn’t read the book. Nor understood or comprehend what I wrote. Thank you however. You helped me realized that while I was brought up as a Catholic with 12 years of educational indoctrination, I know I made the right decision to leave any religious affiliation I had. While I am not gay, I accept those who are. I embraced reason, logic, acceptance, & love to understand the world & humanity. I no longer feel compelled to judge or condemn others especially when it is based the ignorance & hate found in religions. Thank you for showing me I made the right decision to leave. Peace & again thank you very much.
There's too much frociaggine! 😂
I don't know that it's quite Christian to repeat someone's mistake or drag it out.
@lalaithan and yet, it is true, despite the vulgarity.
Problem is, like most things with Pope Francis, what he says and what he does is miles apart. I do not believe the latest charges, but he was dismissed from being a novice master for a reason, long before he started the Bishop track.
@@TedSeeber That's pure gossip and calumny. Go to Confession, boy.
@ignatiusjackson235 it us completely true that 81% of clerical abuse cases are homosexual in nature.
It is equally true that Pope Francis has *repeatedly* ignored clerical abuse complaints when promoting the likes of Fr James Martin, Cardinal McElroy, Bishop Barros, Fr Marco Rupnik, and Cardinal Fernandez.
So no, it is not merely "gossip and calmuny" as much as you clerical abuse promoters want it to be.
This is despite the liberation theology communist Jesuits who are currently charging that Pope Francis slept with novices. Now that is pure gossip from Archbishop Vigano, and will remain so until we have an identity of the novice filing the complaint.
@@ignatiusjackson235 It is very reasonable. Just look at his Cardinal picks.
Thank you Fathers for your thoughtful words.
Great perspective! Thank you for talking about Christian disordered anger and the need for charity. I’m a convert and I get frustrated how my church community overreacts against the sinfulness of the world and becomes judgemental (even to non-sinful weakness) because of a disordered perfectionism. The pursuit of virtue is great, but we can’t forget that we’re all broken and need God’s grace.
Nous sommes tous pécheurs aimons tout le monde et stop à la stigmatisation
@@jean-claudechupin9233Love every person, but don’t condone their sin! Not telling them what they are doing is sinful and against God, it’s like letting them stand in front of a moving train. They both kill. The train only kills the body, but sin kills the immortal soul.
🚨Ten reasons why matrimony itself proves that being a homosexual is in fact a sin⬇️
1️⃣What did our Father say in reference to matrimony❓
🕊️”Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24
2️⃣Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on matrimony❓
🕊️”He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Matthew 19:4-5
3️⃣Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on matrimony❓
🕊️“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” Ephesians 5:31
4️⃣Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s immorality❓
🔥”And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5️⃣Do the works of the flesh pertain to immorality❓
🔥“Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness,” Galatians 5:19
6️⃣How does immorality pertain to sex specifically❓
🕊️“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathens who do not know God;” 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
7️⃣Why should we avoid immorality❓
🔥”Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
8️⃣Under what condition is immorality permitted❓
🕊️”But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
9️⃣Is immorality outside of matrimony idolatry❓
🔥”Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.” Colossians 3:5
🔟Were we warned about certain people who would gain admission to our Father’s church and pervert the grace of our Father into licentiousness❓
🔥“Beloved, being very eager to write to you of our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the deepest darkness until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.” Jude 1:3-8
In conclusion to homosexuality, not only can we conclude that our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles clarify matrimony between heterosexuals but further stated that immorality was only permitted through heterosexual matrimony. If immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, immorality & matrimony between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles.
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less if they know past, present and future❓
Thank you for this talk. Jesus I Trust in You.
But our brothers and sisters who are gay or their families, friends, don't believe we love them! 😢
Marriage is between a man and woman, period.
I do have acquaintances who are gay and I do love them, but I don't celebrate their choice of lifestyle, just like I don't agree with abortion of a family member or friend.
Well said....
Well said. ❤
As a heterosexual man I “struggle with my sexuality.” My problem is lust and the desire for fornication outside of marriage. It’s tough. That being said I can’t imagine believing such acts to be a good thing especially under a slogan such as “pride”
The key to understanding all forms of addiction are self destructive even while seeming pleasurable.
Fornication is just like Heroin Addiction, triggering the same brain regions for pleasure. Remind yourself no matter how wonderful the feelings of Heroin, Crack, Speed, Cocaine, or fornication... Such selfish behaviors are self destructive and harmful to yourself and others. The ROOT cause is delusional thinking : you can not create good outcomes by causing harm.
Better to be a born again Christian.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
Romans 1:26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
I don't hate persons, I hate abuse. If you make your identity ONLY about abuse, and promote abusing people, I can't have any compassion for you. Pride is sinful. Always. About ANYTHING.
On my iPhone calendar there is an option to unsubscribe from US holidays. Unsubscribe on 5/31, resubscribe on 7/1.
will subscribe to knowledge ?If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Thank you. I will do this
My response is that I want nothing to do with the deadly sin of Pride.
Had to go and check my Apple calendar... Pride month isn't on the Australian holidays calendar. Must be a US thing.
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
God makes NO mistakes. Women at birth and men and birth, women with man, man with women 💯 God has to be respected and that's all to it.
@Quint-ib4nfNo, it wasn’t a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes. Man had become so evil that he wiped them out and started over again with the people who loved him.Loving God means following his commandments. “When the LORD saw how great the wickedness of human beings was on earth, and how every desire that their heart conceived was always nothing but evil “(Gen. 6:5). God is loving and merciful, but he is also just. In the context of the story of Noah and the flood, the fact that a loving and merciful God thought that the only just thing to do would be to flood the Earth reveals just how wickedly sinful and evil humanity had become. It scares me because of how many people are committing such heinous sins these days and calling them good. The next time he wipes us out will be with fire, it may be that we do it to each other.
Jewish tradition relays that murder and bloodshed were common in Noah’s time, and no one cared for his neighbor. God was mocked as unneeded, given the greatness humanity had achieved. This time period is portrayed as a moral wasteland in which Noah, as shaky as he was in both morals and faith, was considered the most righteous of his generation. Without the flood, it is said that humanity would have destroyed itself on its own and that the flood was the chance for any human person with any goodness to start over and save the human race.
However, Jewish tradition does not portray God as uncaring. It reveals that God instructed Noah to build the Ark slowly. This was meant as a last warning and chance for repentance and mercy. Everyone had a chance to repent and enter the Ark. In fact, certain strains of interpretation have understood the flood as the result of God’s tears over the heartlessness of the human race. We all need to remember this story, and that God will not hold off his punishment forever.
Partially excerpted from Catholic Answers.
God didn’t make a mistake when he made me lesbian.
If god wants less homosexuals, then He will stop making them .
Obviously Heteros are the only ones that literally Create Live babies.
"Conversating???" Try "conversing".
Very simple do not conflate love of people with love of sin culture they are mutually exclusive in Jesus
Excellent conversation Fathers. Thank you!
Is there a video or book or resource on how your Dominican province was shaped into such a powerful force of evangelization and a beautiful radiant healthy community for Christ? Was it always like this or was there a period of reform? It seems to stand out compared to other Dominican provinces and I would like to know the cause.
It looks like Fr Patrick is waving those flags. He is NOT. Thank you Frs. for this wonderful episode.
I will try to say the Chaplet of the Sacred Heart daily during June, to try to reclaim it. I find it sickening to see the rainbow flag just about everywhere, especially as all our major supermarkets [GB] actively support pride month.
We do have several major festivals this month, there is the Sacred Heart [Friday after 2nd Sunday after Pentecost,this Year June 7, the Immaculate Heart of Mary on the following day; St Barnabas on the 11, St John the Baptist on the 24 and St Peter and St Paul on the 29.
The word is conversing
People may have same sex attraction but nobody is gay. That double speak is a relatively new phenomenon.
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052 You don't have to belong to any religion to understand that anal and oral sex are highly unhealthy. Add to that the fact that the average homosexual is highly promiscuous and you have a recipe for disaster. Biology 101.
In many municipalities it is now required by law to be not only tolerant, but affirming. These laws apply to government and non-government agencies alike. Teachers, social workers, foster-parents, and other public servants are being forced to affirm positions which they find contrary to their personal or religious beliefs. The alternative is to no longer service their community, which seems equally contrary to religious belief.
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052 "whether your [ fill in the blank ] is a sin or not" -----
That is the wrong question. Whether any particular action can be inherently evil or not is irrelevant.
Sin means to turn away from Christ. Any thought, word, deed, or omission that makes me turn away from Christ is sin.
"Can two people walk together without agreeing on the direction?" (Amos 3)
"Your turning from Me has shamed you. So then consider and realize how evil and bitter it is for you to forsake the LORD your God " (Jeremiah 2)
@@andrewferg8737 I can tell by your response; you didn’t read the book. Nor understood what I wrote. Thank you however. You helped me realized that while I was brought up as a Catholic with 12 years of educational indoctrination, I know I made the right decision to leave any religious affiliation I had. While I am not gay, I accept those who are. I embraced reason, logic, acceptance, & love to understand the world & humanity. I no longer feel compelled to judge or condemn others especially when it is based the ignorance & hate found in religions. Thank you for showing me I made the right decision to leave. Peace & again thank you very much.
@@dan69052 "a belief system based on logic"---
Logic, existence in and of itself, to be, or truth, are ontological synonyms for the unconditioned transcendent: that which is without beginning or end and which cannot not be as is demonstrated through antinomies such as 'there is no truth' or 'nothing is', etc.
Logic, or any of its synonyms, is the singularly self-evident axiom from which all else is derived. That axiom is the referent for the term God in classical theology, per the ineffable Mosaic Hebrew theonym יהוה derived from the existential verb hayah meaning 'to be'.
Deus veritas est ergo non potest esse non.
@@dan69052 "Catholic with 12 years of educational indoctrination... compelled to judge or condemn others... based on the ignorance & hate"
“this situation breaks the cover on the passionate malice within him, which is all the more exposed by his excessive anxiety. If he wished, he would have done penance. Instead, he has become like a clean, shiny grain of wheat that when broken is seen to be full of mold inside. The man who thinks that he is quiet and peaceful still has within him a passion that he does not see. Now when brother comes up and utters some unkind word, immediately all the venom and mire that lay hidden within him are spewed out” (Saint Dorotheus of Gaza d. 565 AD -- A colloquy on false spiritual peace)
Thank you for this conversation. I'm discerning different grad programs, and many Catholic universities celebrate Pride Month. Thoughts?
Quite possibly the first time this comedian has been quoted in Godsplaining;
"Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe, say, or do." ~ Dave Chappelle
22:45 Yes, yes, yes! The transformation of anger into hatred is a significant issue. When anger is expressed as hate, whether in public spaces or from the pulpit, it closes off any opportunity for the consideration of the Truth. This kind of expression fosters a preference for relativism, and in some ways, we have inadvertently contributed to the promotion of relativism by engaging with others through our own egos and unholy righteousness. We must remember that the Truth is grounded in love and should lead people to God, not push them further away. Just as Jesus invited conversion through love, it is our responsibility to do the same. We should strive to be examples of charity in what we say about the Truth and in how we express the Truth so it is not mistaken as hatred. Instead express Truth with charity, compassion, and understanding, as Christ does for all of us. Begin with love, then the Truth will win out.
Can Fr Bertrand stop using the word “like” please
When you are as brilliant and well-educated as Father, you are allowed a little slang.
@@carolynkimberly4021 No, like it isn't.
Just remember: Pride comes before the fall.
Gay pride is pride in their belief that they can do things that God clearly asked us not to do. Exactly like what Satan whispered into Eve's ear in the Garden of Eden, that she would be able to decide what is good and what is evil and that is not God's decision.
That wasn't Satan, it was just the serpent. Christians like to retcon a lot of stuff in the old Testament to fit their agenda though!
But after the fall is the very definition of this period of the world, if we hadn't recieved Prophets and a Messiah that is the Incarnation of one of the Persons of the Triune God there would be no other meaningful definition.
"Pride" as practiced today is mostly about debauchery and normalizing vile grooming of children. The "love" being spoken of is lust and foul disordered desires.
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Crazy people with crazy stories and crazy beliefs. Hope you cults get taxed world wide!
@@dan69052 Be sure and tell God He's wrong when you die, Hope that works out for you.
Excellent presentation. You are so correct about intolerance. In a way the current world view is scary. Especially if you express a different viewpoint.
The word is "conversing" -- where on Earth are these educated people getting the word "conversating " - is this a new word? I do realize and hear daily supposedly educated Americans on media or using wrong grammar consistently and now made up words wonderful!! 🥴
I find a lot of conversations with young priests as much as I respect them as humans wishy-washy watered down unconvincing -- so I'm not in judgment why should I be but but most of what I'm hearing from priests on online forums is kind of a sellout the real charism and rationale for those few few few few few few few folks were called to the celibate life is not delineated convincingly ever like in the olden days
It feels to me like they really just pasteurized themselves in the worldly ways and there's really no turning back to a real charism of monasticism having come from Eastern monasticism as in Asian Eastern philosophy of monasticism which is serious and cultivated! I never had to deal with scandals in that kind of teaching where I was growing up over the years
I'm 66 years of age an American of Indian descent so a lot of what this priesthood has become in my last three years of observation and encounters in Catholic Mass and so forth - watered down and juvenile which is very very disappointing I don't know why these priests bother being monastics and taking vows when they don't live it😥
I'm not talking about serious scandal behavior I'm talking about regular day-to-day behavior they might as well be "lay" people I have lost some respect / trust for this Catholic priest role which is very unfortunate - at least for me with extremely high standards for any role that involves monasticism.
But here in the American Catholic culture I am disappointed and disheartened almost daily.
My connection is with Jesus Christ and I will keep focusing on Him Is all I can say ! 🙏💜🌄✝️ Patriarchal religion especially post Vatican II is going in a downward moral and worldly spiral esp in America.
Thank you so much Frs.
My daughters were born in June and this LGBTQ crap is flagrant and flamboyant in the face of their birth month. How much more disturbing it is against the month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus?
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052 religion aside, if going to try to pull blinders over my eyes by some heavily biased scientific medical research your sadly mistaken. Since the discovery of Watson and Crick chromosomal DNA has always determined male DNA and female DNA. Outside of mutations these are the only two possible genders. Science that heightens the awareness of the occasion mutation is focusing in the wrong direction.
Again setting religion aside, there are moral and ethical issues at play. Homosexuals lie outside these guidelines and make no sense as the two genders are needed to proliferate the species. Homosexuality makes no sense because by it the species will go into extinction. Where science declares survival of the fittest in human terms it's survival of morality that will keep the species alive.
As for religion for man to lie with man or female with female it is an abomination towards God; end of story.
Thanks for a great conversation, Fathers. I wanted to make one comment since I noticed you mentioned having "gay friends". Though I too have friends who identify this way, I refuse to describe them that way myself, since I feel it is a false reduction of who they are as persons. Just something I hope you and other listeners may consider as a way to reclaim the truth in our daily conversation (though same sex attraction is obviously real, I don't believe anyone is truly "gay" in their identity).
We have been scandalized seeing Cardinal Dolan celebrating Pride Month.
Another closet case.
Sad day for our beautiful Church....
Oh my God!! So gay, and yes there are gay priests, many gay priests, some celibate, many not. Speaking from my experience in the RC church.
Better to be a born again Christian.
1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Luke 1:46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1 Samuel 2:2 “There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Mark 7:7. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
1 Timothy 4:3 “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.”
2 Timothy 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Tit 1:7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;
Rev 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
PRIDE is one of the deadly sins!!!!!!
Evolution or evilution?
how about knowledge ?? If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Conversing, please.
What anger is greater then what God did to Lot
honestly, if catholics did show some passion and anger and actually expressed how they really feel (as Fr. Patrick did at around the 20:40 mark), it would be *so* much easier to have real conversations with them. I say this as a queer man who celebrates pride month. I don't want your politeness, because it's not for me. It's for you. I can't speak for every queer person, but I will say I know quite a few who feel the same way. Have the guts to just call us disgusting. Reveal yourselves. You're easier to avoid that way, which I think is the way we both want it.
he was talking about freaks dancing near naked in front of children and you took that personally?
He didn't call you disgusting, he called the behavior of adults dancing provocatively in little to no clothing around children disgusting. If you identify with that behavior so much that that comment felt like a personal insult, you're telling on yourself.
@@RomanDiaries he’s talking about men dancing at pride events, which do happen in public, but they can be avoided, because that’s how events work. If you don’t want your kids to see performances at pride, don’t take them to pride.
@@Matt_Dalton Do you think kids should be banned from attending pride events where adult men are allowed to gyrate around in speedos and similar garb, or do you think it should be allowed?
@@RomanDiaries no, I don’t think they should be banned. Pride events are what they are. Public events are what they are. There’s nothing inherently wrong or perverted about dancing in a speedo.
I figure the first gay pride parade was to Lot's house.
interesting comments on hatred. I am wondering if we look at Ps 139, can we see another side to hatred of persons. Perfect hatred. This is what David says about his enemies. Maybe perfect hatred is a kind of passionate love. To love what is good and true, to hate what is evil and false within yourself but even within what constitutes someone. To love what God made in them, and hate the sin and falsities in them.
You see I am trying to spiritualize hatred here but I think it is very biblical especially if we want to understand the OT. In the way that Moses has the levites kill the idol worshipers but then deeply pleads with God to kill himself to atone for the Israelites sins; we see just how deep Moses love for his people is.
What does he mean by charity??
priDE MONth is the celebration of Free Will. Free Will is often wrong, but that's what God wanted.
If he wanted robots, he can make them obey all commands. If he wanted just animals following instincts, he could have stopped at Jellyfish. Lovely glowing critters & without sin... So Christian families can celebrate the AWSOME POWER of Hetero reproduction ! Be proud of all your children, mothers fathers and brothers and sisters !
Thak god for reproduction , because without it, species would have only lasted 1 generation.
God's rainbow is a symbol of the love He has for us....❤
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052I must disagree with you. The sin of homosexuality is just like any other mortal sin, it leads you to hell. The Catholic faith is the most logical and reasonable church because it is the true Church of Jesus Christ, which he founded for our salvation. He knows all things, so who could be more logical or reasonable. God says homosexuality is an abomination, not us. We can only have eternal life in Heaven if we follow God’s laws, not our own rules made up by ourselves and what we think or believe. If we ignore God’s laws we can end up eternally in Hell. I don’t know about you, but I’m not willing to take that chance. Sex, in God’s intention, is meant to do two things: provide for the procreation of children and build up husbands and wives in the love, respect, and life of each other. The sins of adultery, fornication, and masturbation are under the same rules. We must all control our desires and remain chaste, before, during and after marriage or if we’re called to be single people, we are all called to chaste. Since God made human sexuality for the unitive and procreative ends of marriage, any other use is sinful. This is why homosexuality is wrong as there cannot be any procreation of children in that act. I guess there could be some unitive in it, but it is a disordered unity before God. For masturbation, there is neither the procreative nor the unitive part of the act, because it’s a purely selfish act. You do it alone or for your own pleasure. Fornication is a disordered use of sex because it is purely for self-satisfaction, and it abuses the person that God made for love, not usury. There are much better explanations out there, I’m sure. I suggest looking up Fr. Mike Schmidtz’s talk called ‘Love and Homosexuality,’ and go to Catholic Answers and find David Morrison’s article called, ‘Out of the Closet and into Chastity.’ There are many more articles and answers on there, too. May God open your eyes to the life he planned for you, one of grace and happiness doing his will.🙏🏻❤🙏🏻
@@dan69052It's the act that is wrong. No different than fornication.
@@erikbunty2016 I can tell by your response; you didn’t read the book. Nor understood or comprehend what I wrote. Thank you however. You helped me realized that while I was brought up as a Catholic with 12 years of educational indoctrination, I know I made the right decision to leave any religious affiliation I had. While I am not gay, I accept those who are. I embraced reason, logic, acceptance, & love to understand the world & humanity. I no longer feel compelled to judge or condemn others especially when it is based the ignorance & hate found in religions. Thank you for showing me I made the right decision to leave. Peace & again thank you very much.
The rainbow is God's Warning, he will not go easy on Earth when Messiah Returns.
7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, 7 Bowls of destruction poured out on Earth to Kill All Life & then destroy the planet.
Scientifically, look at the Spectrum of the Sun, once that rainbow shifts to Iron, the Sun is dying & any humanity that wants to survive needs to build the New Jerusalem Starship space cube and leave planet Earth. REVELATION 21 is literally the escape pod plan for Christians.
Hate the sin, love the sinner. There are no gray areas. The acts are sinful.
Hate is a sin. Correct, in love, errors which are harmful to self and others.
Christians think gay relationships or desires are wrong. Non Christians disagree. I used to be Catholic but my world view is no longer that. We have different world views so we're never going to see this the same way. I dont see why it has to be a big deal agree to disagree. I also dont eat meat but I dont have to make a big deal and convert people to my diet
I don't like your beliefs. They are absolutely wrong compare to what I believe. You have an upside down beliefs.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
Romans 1:26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
Homosexuality isn’t new. In fact in the early church Nero was lighting Christians on fire because they didn’t approve of his gay lovers. This isn’t something new we’ve discovered and we need to accept with- it’s like any evil thing : it’s corrosive and as Christianity declines these terrible things will flourish. There is only one truth
lol - conversing
What do you mean a man can’t become a woman? Just look at father James Martin. He’s a perfect example of a trans woman.😂
He is very disgusting as a Catholic priest. He should not be a Catholic priest.
Why would most gay people care about The Sacred Heart of Jesus? Do you think the organizers of pride month even knew what month it was? This subject has been settled within the Church. Why rehash it? Again, you have made it clear that gay people are "less than". Splendid work!
spoken like a true christian wih hate ???? If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Can we stop saying “pride” month. The rainbow has been hijacked, the term “pride” has some virtuous connotation, month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus all have been sidelined and we have to hear two priests on the defensive. Jesus forgive me, but many of our priests are weak.
Not only hijacked, but tarnished.
Yes you can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
Romans 1:26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
As a general to rule Im not going to be taking notes after what yall did to all those kids and the coverup you perpetuated after the fact (and continue to do). Something about your moral inferior lecturing you isn't my vibe. Two each their own though
I do not condone what any priest has done that has hurt children, but it is not the norm for priests to behaved that way. In fact, there are more people in the secular world, i.e., teachers, scoutmasters, and others in near proximity to children, that abuse children. And, other clergy don’t get off the hook either, they have also abused children. It’s abominable for anyone to do, but Catholic priests are actually less likely to abuse children than those. The Catholic Church is not alone in this, and should not be made to feel so. The MSM did a bad thing making it out to be priests alone. All people need to look to God and follow his commandments. I do not see these two breaking any commandments, so why put it on them? And if you don’t believe me, take a look at the secular online publication ‘Psychology Today.’ There are a few articles there telling us the percentage of priests, other clergy, and secular people that have committed this crime. It is definitely not restricted to Catholic priests, nor our they the majority!
@@suew4609 "but it is not the norm for priests to behaved that way" I stopped reading right there. Why? Because the issue wasn't the actions of the priests. Things happen. There's always a few bad apples
The issue was the church knowingly, willingly, and systemically covered up the incidences, did not report to law enforcement, buried the evidence, continued to employ the offenders, and moved the offenders to new areas (allowing them to offend again). Additionally, the church continues to fight again lawsuits seeking reparations & disclosure
This issue was mentioned back in 1531 by Luther. An issue existing for 493 years indicates the issue is not an issue, it is a feature. It is an actively chosen and supported position. Given the duration and extent of this behavior, claiming: "The Church actively endorses and fully supports this conduct & this behavior constitutes a core tenet of the institution" would be a fair statement.
So yes. Associating with this institution makes you morally inferior in every respect & I wont tolerate getting lectured by someone who is my moral inferior by every metric and criteria.
I also get, that I am looking at it religiously, and they say they are not...
If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the total development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Lol
Where did you guys learn your grammar?
Remember English is their second lamguage... LATIN is Perfection. Deus Vult ! :-D
😢
I just ignore it. I am one block from the route. I’ve done so for most of the 25 years I’ve lived here.
Truth…whose truth? I am so sick and tired of listening to people like this pair that want to cast aside people who disagree with THEIR understanding of “objective truth.” The idea that LBGTQIA people “struggle with disorder” in their lives and hearts because of their sexuality is patently offensive. They suffer and struggle because of the societal hatred that has been baked into the collective consciousness by people like this pair and what they believe to be “objective truth.” It’s very easy to be charitable towards people with like minds, values and morals, but all people are not the same. One’s sexual identity and the expression of that identity cannot be separated from their personhood. People are who they are and they love who they love. Is an LBGTQIA person’s love less than because it doesn’t conform to another’s objective truth” Truth is not and never has been objective. My truth is not necessarily another’s truth. True charity accepts people as they are, not who we wish them to be. LGBTQIA people do not see themselves as objectively disordered. They simply want to be accepted and loved for who they are as people.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
Romans 1:26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
@@gregoryt8792 Yeah, yeah, yeah. When the Catholic Church gets it's own shit together, then you can preach at me. In the meantime, don't judge lest ye be judged.
It’s that time of the year where Christian influencers clickbait content for pride month like the lgbt community didn’t abandon pride month in 2014.
For abandoning it, the anti-hetero hate is sure still strong.
@@TedSeeber All I see is anti-lgbt content. Its become a joke in my friend group that my fellow Christians go on holiday from acting like Christians in June.
@@shadix365 You have an entire month dedicated to Pride, you've succeeded in convincing 30% of people under the age of 15 that they are gay, and you've started medically sterilizing and altering children to feed your habit for new people to rape.
All legally.
So no, you don't get to claim "anti-lgbt" is against Christ, not when you're playing such a level of hatred of heterosexuality. And it's not just June, you're supporting this level of outright abuse all year.
Stop it..
@@shadix365There is nothing more Christ-like than calling out a sinner to repent and turn to God!
@@suew4609 Which is why I'm calling yall out :)
Man with women women with man 💯
Que d'hypocrisie...
Chastity and homosexuality are not to be confused. The problem is worse in public schools but it does not mean the egregious acts of some of the clergy did should not be condemned. When one points at a hypocrite three fingers point back at themself and the largest digit points to God. This as any terrible situation needs much prayer to God.
@@eduardohoover2127la stigmatisation des chrétiens homosexuels dans l'église est Innaceptable..
Hello, Father Jacob-Bertrand, Father Patrick. I'm a 63-year-old practicing gay Catholic man (Mass every morning). And I have a couple of serious points of dissonance with you here.
1) I was fortunate enough to have been taught at Yale by Professor John Boswell (only 13 years older than I was, he was already a full professor at that time). A philologist, he spoke or read - wait for it - several Scandinavian languages, Old Icelandic, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Latin, Greek, early and modern Russian, Old Church Slavonic, Armenian, Persian, Arabic, Hebrew, Syriac, and Akkadian. In other words, this was one breathtakingly smart man.
In 1980 he published "Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality", and I'll quote what George Chauncey (still Professor of History at Columbia today), said in response to that work, that it "offered a revolutionary interpretation of the Western tradition, arguing that the Roman Catholic Church had not condemned gay people throughout its history, but rather, at least until the twelfth century, had alternately evinced no special concern about homosexuality or actually celebrated love between men."
And how did John Boswell prove that? Because he had read EVERY extant document in its original language and needed no interpretation from anyone else. So your "take" on this matter is misleading at best, definitely unhistorical, and quite simply devoid of any real scholarship, especially as it relates to the early Church. But there's another elephant in the room here, which this debate within the Church tiptoes around, as you just did, too.
2) "Being gay" is no sin. Two people of the same sex living together is no sin. A heterosexual Catholic couple living together before marriage in the church is no sin. And this is where Francis is a very smart man. We can bless the "persons", but not the "unions" (the way we would not bless a "union" of those two heterosexual Catholics before marriage, as there is "no union.") It is the sexual act itself (between two people of the same sex OR between those two heterosexual Catholics BEFORE marriage, which is "sinful."
So, you are "assuming", are you not, that all gay couples (all gay men!) are having sex? Are you assuming that all unmarried heterosexual Catholic couples (or all single Catholics!) are having sex before marriage? If you're not assuming that, why aren't you? And if you are assuming that, why are you? Francis clearly knows that the only way to "ascertain sin" is to ask every single couple (every single person!), "Are you currently having sex, and with whom?" And THIS is why he was wise enough to say... "If a gay person is living a good life, close to the Lord, WHO AM I TO JUDGE"). But you two guys just made an entire raft of...judgments, all absent of knowledge.
Sodomy is a mortal sin. You should never receive Holy Communion if you're active.
You can't make up your own definition of "sin", you are Catholic so you have to use the Catholic definition and that makes you wrong. The CCC very clearly defines that homosexual acts are sins.
It actually is a sin for a heterosexual couple to cohabit prior to marriage. It is what is called a voluntary continuous near occasion of sin. Anyone in such a situation is bound to remove themselves from the occasion according to catholic moral theology.
@@antw3114 Well, clearly the "nearness of the occasion" of sin... is not a sin (btw, I don't think I've heard that phrase since about, oh, 1968?) But if we want to talk about the most pressing theological problems facing us, how many angels do you, personally, think can dance on the head of a pin? 😉
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error” (Rom. 1:26-27).
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9-10).
“Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine” (1 Tim. 1:8-10).
“Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire” (Jude 7).
But God’s displeasure with acting out on homosexuality is depicted as early as Genesis 19 in the Old Testament. Also see Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13.
Yes, interpretation is important. If interpretation were left up to us as individuals, we could make the Bible say whatever we want it to say, and our sinful natures could gravitate toward interpretations that serve our passions. That is why, ultimately, the Church reserves the right to interpret Scripture to herself. “For all of that has been said about the way of interpreting Scripture is subject finally to the judgment of the Church, which carries out the divine commission and ministry of guarding and interpreting the word of God” (Dei Verbum 12).
The Catholic Church is the “pillar and foundation of truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15 You can make up and misinterpret anything you’d like, including what the Pope says, but that doesn’t make you smarter or more knowledgeable than Christ’s own church. Homosexuality has always been a sin, but at times, like this age, there are more people that Satan is leading into this sin, therefore the Church will address it more. It used to be something that people suspected, but was so evil that they didn’t talk about it. Now, in our time, it seems the sin of pride, which is the sin of Satan and Adam and Eve, and is on display as homosexuality, is being made to be just another lifestyle choice, just as heterosexual people, living in sin, was made more open and therefore pushed to be accepted in the 1960s and onward. All of this acceptance, and the sexual sins accompanying it, is an act of defiance against God and his laws. We are all called to chastity, this means heterosexuals and homosexuals, to act otherwise is a sin. Living together before marriage, or in with a homosexual friend, is an occasion for sin, if there are any desires for the other. If you think that is antiquated and no one believes this anymore, you are again mistaken, and maybe it’s because of the books you read or the company you keep, but the Church hasn’t changed. Pope Francis is known for being too ambiguous in what he says, and he refuses to define what he says, frequently. As Catholics, we must take away what is good and leave the bad. If he seems to be promoting living in sin, he’s not, but many interpret it that way. What he said was not said “from the chair of St. Peter,” or ex cathedra, meaning it’s not an infallible teaching from Christ. Plus any true teaching will not contradict Scripture. If you are really “living a good life close to the Lord,” then you would follow His Churches teachings and commandments.
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15).
“Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him” (John 14:21).
“Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.Whoever does not love me does not keep my words; yet the word you hear is not mine but that of the Father who sent me” (John 14:23-24).
Pretty funny. One obvious and one probable gay men trying to reconcile their sexuality by accepting the “truth”. Good luck with that Father. Also chuckle that one of the Fathers says “like” as often as teenagers.
Get lost troll
Nice pseudo-scientific freudianism.
2 gay men
Fwiw, i have always looked at Pride month as more than a focused celebration of NotHetero Marriage. If a person who is male identifies some aspects of self where his gender does not exactly fit to biological sex, it's no longer something to be scared or ashamed of. i have seen it as a safe place for everyone to party together for a time, in their shared weirdness. Don't like it? Either don't party, or... maybe put a Cross on the rainbow flag and make it yours? Show how the Roy G. Biv was meant for everyone? Be like Constantine (cf Cornel West's take on Constantinian Christianity in Race Matters and/or Democracy Matters)? No one 'owns' a color (Yves Klein & Mr. Pantone be damned), those lovely stripes belong to Us All. // Also, it wasn't the Pride parades that made my kid trans. It was the abuse seen in my Catholic hetero marriage of 17 years, where i ended up making being a woman look like a bad proposition, taking it all with wifely grace. - a Protestant 🪭!
There is no marriage outside of one man and one woman
@@samfunk8467and that doesn't necessarily make it a good one.
@@samfunk8467tell that to the patriarchs 😅
Just becuase the patriarchs did something does not make it correct or morally right
@@samfunk8467 yeah but do you feel the need to comment "There is no marriage outside of one man and one woman" on videos about Abraham?
I realized I'm trans last November and stated HRT this January so it'll be a very happy June for me! 🥰