LIKE if you like think all vans should be electric & SHARE if you want to spread the word! We've wanted to get our hands dirty and discuss Electric Vans for a long time. Delivery of this long-awaited series of five episodes has been delayed by the Coronavirus pandemic, but we are delighted to share the first episode before the year end (the rest will follow in the New Year). Andy Torbet talks about the 'invisible workforce', gets some expert advice from Vanarama's resident expert and takes a look at the Maxus E Deliver 3. We hope you enjoy the ride! Thanks to Vanarama for loaning us Paul Kirby! www.vanarama.com/latest-news/... Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to RUclips Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a RUclips member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow #CleanEnergy #ElectricCars #ElectricVehicles #ElectricVans
I hope in your reviews you're able to load up the vans with a large set standard load, say a 800kg pallet of bricks, and test their ranges on hilly streets since elevation changes and temperature have a drastic effect on the range also. It would be a rather nasty surprise to purchase a van only to find out the advertised range was for a 20% load on a flat (or downhill) piece of road during a spring day.
Delivery vans and buses make the most sense for commercial electrification; They typically have well known routes and service requirements, so there can be more confidence in specifying the minimum performance of the vehicles. There's also a business case, since fuel and maintenance are a significant chunk of operating cost and electric vehicles can reduce both of those significantly. As popular as personal electric cars have gotten over the past decade, I think the electric delivery vans are really going to eclipse private vehicle sales in the next decade.
Nopie, actually the humble garbage/trash trucks would make far more sense to electrify .... It's just the delivery van meme is more common, so most ppl are programmed to regurgitate the talking points about it instead doing their own individual evaluation. Shame SM has foresters, so much groupthink instead seeing ppl own unique thoughts on a subject. Since memes are so boring...
@@nc3826 I would classify garbage trucks as delivery vans, since the only difference is the direction the deliveries are being made! Though electrifying them might be slightly more difficult, since they are much heavier (10+ tons) and use a lot more energy (weight, hydraulics), and still have to cover 150+ miles a day or more. It can totally be done but I don't see it as being as immediate as neighborhood delivery vans and municipal buses. Edit: For background, there was a period in my professional career where I designed CNG infrastructure for buses and garbage truck fleets.
@@Smidge204 Yep for heavy vehicle work, especially in the winter months would be better served with RNG, especially long haul freight locomotive engines.
Soon, hopefully big battery camper vans! Batteries, until we get actual Tesla towers, are the thing that will make mobile life much more doable. Camper vans don't need huge range, but ideally could live a number of days on a charge with heavy A/C use. Both winter and summer. As long as the van makes the most of high speed chargers, even all day drives should not be too painful. In a last mile delivery van, huge range doesn't really help. They can slow charge overnight at base. In a camper van, a big battery gives mobile autonomy. Constructions to keep the overall weight down and allow for some extra payload would be most welcome. 5-speed moving vans are pretty awesome, even on highways. Make a lightweight chassis like that, add a big battery, build a good camper and you have a dream mini house.
Electric vans make so much sense. No noise or pollution around homes, businesses and pedestrians. Very low costs to run. Easy to drive for hours on end. Very reliable. Can fit in with a known work pattern. I guess that's why Amazon and UPS are buying tens of thousands of them. Btw, couldn't help but smile when they were discussing pricing at 10:20. Vauxhall are giving these guys a run for their money!
Our fleet is now 100% Electric.. We have an eco dog walking, Dog grooming and pet shop business. The Kangoo ZE33 fits our needs perfectly. It is a good balance between zero emissions, fuel savings and £ Vs range. No point in lugging excess battery storage around. And just to clarify 100% means one van.. bit we all have to start somewhere... PAWWS has been going almost 10 years and we have continually updated and improved our offering, processes and we are as green as we can get at the moment. We also try to only sell products that are ecology based and we try to eliminate all single use plastics. For us it's not enough just to have switched to EVs. Pets have a big impact on the planet.. but are overlooked very often. Keep up the good work. Great to see vans get some focus👍
I have a 40kw ENV200. Absolutely love it. I am a potter and use it to transport my work to exhibitions around the UK, and then camp in it. I am still working on the camper conversion part of it. For most trips the 120-150 mile range is fine, but longer trips do require planning. My favourite thing about the van is that it sounds like a spaceship. 😄
Important question: What's the visibility like if I stack 23 used coffee cups, 5 empty buckets from KFC and a pile of unpaid parking fines on the dashboard? Asking for a friend.
I think the argument about range at 5:15 ish is fair but it is also a cover for the fact that a van should have 300 miles range. In the odd low end case of 20 miles a day you can go several days without worry of charging. There is a basic guideline of driving in colder climates, refill at half way incase you are stranded somewhere. It's just good winter safety. With ranges in the 100's divided by a quarter or even a third for cold, that is not safe. I think these vans are a good first step but just not ready for prime adaption yet.
Sadly, my work can take me from Glasgow to Inverness and take be back through Fort William. That's 344 miles, and my work can do this sort of run 3-4 times a week. I really would like to see a long wheel van that could do 450-500 miles on one charge.
Thanks for a great, super informative episode. Over here in the U.S., we want a vehicle that has the best range to be a viable camper van. We could go from campground to campground to plug in for the next day’s run, but, the ability to put low profile solar panels on the roof for better range could be a game changer. Super Charged
Looking on Auto Trader, the Peugeot E-Expert version of the Vivaro is available now, for c.£26k +Vat for the 50kwh and c.£28k +Vat for the 75kwh! Of course, Vauxhall is now owned by the Peugeot/Citroën group, so the Pug would always be released first! 26k +Vat (@20%) is still only £31.2k, very competitive with the Chinese offering!
Careful with how you calculate the including vat price - it's not straight forward with ev's. The VAT is calculated before the government grant is deducted so the vat is on £34k (£26k + £8k grant) which is £6.8k. So the total vat inclusive price is £32.8k. If you're vat registered it's not an issue obviously. I've just orded a e-dispatch 75kWh XL and paid a fraction over £27k+vat (£34k inc).
General misconception is that high lift-off regen on the accelerator (i.e. one pedal driving) saves you more energy. In fact this is less efficient than coasting and stoping with the brake pedal regen (not using the pads). One pedal driving is just more convenient in the city traffic. But coasting is always more efficient than the constant conversion of kinetic to electric energy and vice versa due to the losses.
Ive had my E-NV200 for a year now and love it, even with its short range it works well for me! With the Maxus, did those rear barn doors have locking straps to prevent them opening wide at first? Asking for the wind to catch them if not! Also a bulkhead hatch under the passenger seat would be a great improvement! I made a tiny one on my van, and its a great help, which makes the roof rack a rare use addition.
With the EV reviews including vans it would be nice to cover if they are front, rear or all wheel drive and just a bit of info on where the motors are etc. There’s a real shortage of awd vans and think EV brings the potential to maybe have a better range of options. Cheers
As a fibre technician in Australia, I have to get my van in all sorts of places that aren't ideal for the one wheel drive (RWD, no LSD) I have now. AWD electric van would be amazing if it had 230VAC & air con in the back and decent range.
I'm a plumber, currently driving a suzuki carry van, it is small but easy to park in crowded residential streets. It is very fuel efficient (for an i.c.e.) and with twin sliding doors I have easy access to all my gear. I am waiting for a similar sized e-van, maybe a little bigger but not the size of a transporter and not a car with it's windows blacked out. A 100 - 150 mile range is fine for me, dc charger is a must otherwise long trips are impossible. I really don't care about "toys" in the cab, I prefer less to go wrong. There are 10 times as many cars on the road as there are vans so I guess that is why manufacturers have been so slow bringing e-vans to market. However, the uptake for vans will likely be a much higher percentage than for cars once businesses have a realistic option for a realistic price.
Can you take the passenger seat out with the lwb van, to accommodate365- 4 metre rolls of carpet? Is it rwd as fwd doesn't work as well with a heavily loaded van?
Nice info about the side doors for cargo. I prefer it on both sides. As a plommer i sometime need some longe pipe. Please consider say something about roof rack, tow hicth, elektric outlets.
I have a Kangoo ZE33. It can take 2 x euro pallets and has sliding doors both sides. It's the H1L2 version. You can get one on a lease at a really very good price..👍
I've just finished watching a pod cast with Robert and Jehu and they were talking about a trip in a solar powered van, there's an Australian doing a trip from Alaska to Argentina in a 100% solar powered camper van. He started about 2 years ago its called Route Del Sol on you tube.
I'm looking forward to the Camper conversions of these vans both professional and amateur! Rapid charging to your destination then plug into the campsite granny boxes or Type II's (if available) - or service station Type II's for overnight charging and use! I can't wait!
Are any of these available in the North American or USA markets? It would be helpful to mention that in the videos since you do have a worldwide audience.
would have been useful to see a full cost breakdown over the first three years of ownership vs the equivalent diesel model. The ticket prices on medium sized ev vans are super high, i would like to see at what ppint they become financially benificial
yay, thank you. really wanted to get a eletric van instead of fait qubo mpv :(. regretted it. it was insurance that helped hold me back. please do cover insurance costs, especially for new drivers
So regenerative breaking gets you energy back, and saves the breaks. That would also mean less harmful break dust right? Then wouldn't it be a great idea to implement it in the London metro, since the break dust level there is way above the accepted limit. Such a build up of the dust can be, and is being quite deadly unfortunately.
What about converting this to a camper van, is there any company starting to make conversions for the general public. We see a lot of interest to using an RV to travel and see your country at least in North America including Canada were we live.
Waiting for the ID Buzz Cargo. People saying why spend £50k on a van? Why not. I'm in my work van more than my house. I love my T6 yet I hate everything about its diesel engine. Very thirsty at 28mpg and very unreliable, not ideal on a £55k van. If the IID Buzz Cargo will have 150miles of real world loaded cold weather range, dual motor and much power and be around the £50k price point I'll be happy, but it will need to offer more luxury customisation than the current Transporter. Love how the PSA group vans have set the bar, but too slow 136bhp isn't enough.
@@fishfaceschool no I haven't. I'm aware it's a big difference Vs ice but I'm meaning more in terms of the 190bhp 320lbft my current van has at 2.4tons and still isn't enough for me, I'd want more power especially when loaded up. Another reason I'm hoping for a potential dual motor setup the VAG MEB platform holds. More power is a personal choice and 100kw motor is enough for a most people.
Good to see Andy in his element here, interesting review with relevant observations. Looking forward to the next episodes. I do think 7.4 kW fast charging is just about ok but I'd like to see options for 11 and 22 kW 3-phase AC charging in addition to the rapid. I can imagine tradesmen plugging in to shop car park 22 kW chargers or fast food car park outlets while they eat. A nice extra 45 km of range in 30 minutes here and there could make longer journeys doable. Also at rapids that are already in use for DC charging, many now allow concurrent AC charging.
I wouldn't call 7.4kW a fast charging. 22kW, sure, that is fast, especially for AC. And usually, the max you can do, considering the connectors used, and reasonable max you would be able to install at residential area or office, etc. I don't think it is required in every car or van (in fact it can be detrimental to battery life, if you charge too fast overnight, but you don't need it, and forget to slow it down in car settings), but should be available as an option. Epsecially as in van the added weight between 11 and 22kW on board charge would be really small relatively speaking, and by having faster charging, you can enable some interesting use cases, even if you have smaller (and thus cheaper and lighter) battery pack.
Yippee. At last . Probably just got to wait about 5 years before Australia wakes up to it . Ldv have promised a pick up too . Let's see how long that will take. Keep smiling everyone
As a guy in the building trade with a transit custom swb at the moment. The question I need answered in these reviews is when racked out for tools is it possible to fit 8x4 sheet material up on edge in the back as removing everything to lay them flat is a nonstarter. I rack mine so I can put them in diagonally from behind the passenger side of the bulkhead to the drivers side at the back doors and can fit a good number of sheet in at once. This is never addressed in van reviews so if you can bear this in mind for future. Great work and thx to all at fullycharged. Love the Chanel. Just on a side note. I am in property maintenance and on average would do 70 ish miles in a day and on occasion have done 120miles but this is rear. So was wondering what average mileages any other guys in the building game are doing.
@7:11 they show the internal dimensions. 2.18x1.33x1.66m (7.15x4.63x5.44ft) - however it's only 1.22m between the wheels, which effectively makes the space 1.44m wide when loaded diagonally. So after some quick math you'd have approx. 2.6m (8.5ft) available for diagonal loading - hence a couple of 8x4 sheets should fit. Or you can go for the long wheelbase version, which offers 2.77m (9ft) in length.
@@stephanweinberger Thank you for doing the math on that. but in practice i am guessing those measurements are at floor level and the problem is the bulkhead and back doors may well curve inward as you go up and by the time you get to 1220mm up it may not fit. in my transit mk7 i can in fact get sheets straight in but only on the passenger side as the bulkhead behind the drivers seat bulges to allow for the seat and headrest to recline. also at the back the top corner of the sheet sits in the indent where the glass window would be. but as i say this depends on the shape of the van at 1220mm for the floor. on the diagonal they fit in my van easy. but looking at the video the bulkhead shape and the inward curve at the back corner plus the curve of the door opening make it unclear if this is the case with this van. also the wheel arch would be boxed in with most builders vans so where they are in terms on distance from the back matters to. my point being it very hard to know unless someone actually puts a few sheets in whether it is possible. again i would like to say i am not complaining about the review just offering some insight from the view point of a carpenter as to what would be good to know. Crusader Vans on youtube do a 8x4 sheet challenge where they do this but they have not done that many vans as yet. The guys might want to talk to Roger Bisby at skill builder about what us guys need from a van. thanks for talking the time to repley.
@@peterakers2047 based on my odometer readings in my Ford Transit over the past 2 years, I average 123km per weekday (never used on weekends). Some individual days I've driven about 880km though.
oow and do mention how much sound damping and absorption there is, or in other words road noise. i would probablly be upgrading the sound system, which means needing to reduce road noise. if van has been fitted with lots of absorption and damping to a greater level already that helps a lot.
@Graham Johnson i dont want to lose anymore hearing. not every person that has a white van wants to turn vol up to try hide road noise. doesnt really work. its what im already doing. didnt fully sound dampen and absorption my small mpv van. only the doors. thinking i was selling it in a year or so...
@@grahamjohnson4702 I turn the volume up and wind the window down.... It's an EV... I find this approach better than sneaking up silently on cyclists and pedestrians then blasting the Nautilus air horn🤔😙🤔😂
Don't know if I missed it but whats the range when its loaded full of cargo. Living in a rural area with lots of hills will they be able to have a good range when working.
In the video it was mentioned that Nissan estimates a 2% drop in range for every 100kg added. So if you had to load a van with half a ton (the equivalent of about six adult males, you would loose about 10% in range. I would say that with the van in the video you should be able to regularly get between 80 and 100 miles out of it when loaded up on a full charge.
Really want to convert out fleet to electric but we do a lot of miles driving all around the country fitting electric vehicle charging points so we need something with good range and enough space inside... waiting for Tesla to bring one out! 😆
Got a little worried there when Andy, who let's be honest looks like he's ex forces, praises the bulkhead window for being able to check on the cause of any "strange and bangs and noises from the back", Such as, oh i don't know, captive's wrist bindings coming loose? Regaining conch... coming around? 🤣
I’m a little confused about a comment made about braking. The statement made was that regen only occurs when letting the van slow down on its own, and the physical brakes kick in when the brake pedal is used. My Prius’s didn’t do this (they first apply regen breaking, and transition to physical brakes about 5mph), my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV doesn’t do this (does the same), yet the implication was that the physical brake pedal normally applies the physical brakes in EVs... Is this van different from other EVs then? Or does the reviewer not realise that many cars haven’t had a physical connection between the pedals and the engine/brakes for nearly 2 decades? 🤔
This is different between various EVs. Eg. Tesla vehicles also have a direct physical link from pedal to brakes. It's much easier to build (and easier to get a type rating as well).
All these vans currently are great for larger businesses which either do deliveries or have the ability to split areas into small zones for many engineers. For small companies and trades people that cover large areas with heavy loads, plumbers, sparks etc they're crap. This is the busiest time of the year for heating companies, we tend to carry up at the weight limit and cover a lot of miles in a day many more than the EV range can cope with. For instance the e-vivaro when I called them has a 217 mile range empty but when I discussed with them it drops to 60 miles loaded before taking into account the winter. At which point the issue becomes not range limited as chargers will become more common but the increased cost in hours that engineers have to be paid for the extra time they're out but not bringing in revenue. & that's the thing, do you forcibly grow your company to cover the same area but increase your costs or wait another 5 years for battery tech to give that 1-200 mile range fully loaded. As such the incentive for small/sole traders just isn't there if they cover more than their immediate local area. Which is really f'ing annoying cause by rights Vans are far more important and spend much more time on the road than any car, so the emissions savings would be far greater. Can't wait to swap over but getting fed up of manufacturers taking their time to get their act together. By the time they do a van that copes with what I need the incentive to actually get one will have dried up.
Does anyone remember Red star, drop off a parcel or letter at a train station, and someone or a courier could pick it up at the train station at the other end and take it the final miles, it's a shame that service from British rail disappeared, electric vans and cargo bikes would work well with a service like that today. Happy Christmas everyone 🥳
Yes I do, it was brilliant but can you imagine the stupendous fees train companies would charge . It would work well if pricing were held at a sensible level.
Used to drive a 4m merc sprinter. Like the idea of an electric version. With 25-30k miles per year it cost a fortune in petrol. Would want 200+ mile range.
An electric van campervan conversion episode/series would be great! The VW ID Buzz thing is going to cost a fortune and the waiting list will be daft anyway. I'd love to know the viability of converting one of these into a campervan.
The range just isn’t there for me. I’d want to be able to do my normal weekend away without charging, I’d need 350ish miles of range for that. Plus heating when parked up
An electric camper van doesn't make any sense due to the need for long range but very little overall miles. Makes it expensive when you can't recover the cost of the battery pack in fuel savings.
@@celeron55 The range is an issue but it has nothing to do with it being eclectic. It has everything to do with the companies making them. They are not willing to put in the effort to build the manufacturing infrastructure and ground up EV platform to bring down the cost. These are compliance vehicles nothing more.
@@nacnud2323 That's an issue when wild camping but hookup on sites could solve the problem for some people. Personally I'd not want to drive 350 miles without stoping so charging at a fast charger on route doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for me, just something to factor into the trip. I guess most would add PV to charge the leisure battery system.
@@celeron55 That is a contradiction surely? If a camper is doing long distances it will make the savings, although I guess if it is then sat for weeks unused you do have a point. Fast (ish) charging on route is not that big a problem, and is getting easier every year, as long as the van has the ability.
The issue for me and my Electronic Security and Fire Alarm business is the range, we have a fleet of 8 vans of VW Caddy/Ford Connect, Custom sized vans, our installation guys can probably get away with 100-150 miles of range, however our servicing guys can be as much as 150 - 200 miles a day. I appreciate they can be ‘topped up’ maybe at lunch time but it’s too costly for us as a business to have our staff sitting at a charger for 30-60 minutes before they get to their next job, I understand this can coincide with a 30 minute lunch break but that’s not how the real world works, most of the time my lunch ‘breaks’ can be the journey between calls. We are waiting for a Caddy sized van that will do 200+ miles with a decent load of tools and spare parts in the back and taking into consideration negative aerodynamics for having ladders and stepladders on a roof, not when it’s empty...... Van manufacturers seem to think vans are just used for deliveries....
aww didnt know the e-nv200 range included 300kg~ of load weight! that would have helped me make decision. i thought maybe i wait for new model... maybe i buy the old one now before any repair bills for my fait qubo :O
Leasing costs for EV vans seems to be around twice that of the ICE equivalent, even when the list prices are about the same. Would suggest that they are for some reason being hiked up or that the market doesn’t trust the residuals to be great on used EV vans. Taking the fuel/electric, road tax and even congestion charge costs into account, you would need to be covering a lot of miles to just break even, and then because you’re covering more miles the leasing cost is higher again. A low range EV van would be great for my work vehicle (especially if I could utilise onboard power too) but the costs are just too prohibitive at the moment.
I'd be interested in seeing more information on the "residuals" on EV Vans as well. I've been keeping track of prices of used EVs and E-vans on Autotrader and it seems that they don't really depreciate that much, so I'm not sure why the lease prices are so expensive. Perhaps this will change quite quickly as more vans reach the market and leasing companies will learn to trust the technology
I wonder if its simply because of lack of supply at the moment? alternatively if you are leasing, they know it's cheaper to run so cheaper month on month, so while there are few leasing firms in the market they are ramping up the cost to be *just* cheaper than ICE
A friend of mine from London was very critical of Nissan E-NV 200 van they had to use at work. he criticised very very poor range in winter (cited 35 miles at best) and the fact that they could not use air heating in the cabin because it drained the battery too much, and had to save energy by resorting to use seat heating only/instead. I dont really blame his criticism, the van used the same power/drive train as first gen Leaf, so 24kWh battery, which is extremely bad by modern standarts. That compared with higher weight of van and the weight of cargo would really decrease the range, more so in winter.
Well it wouldn't drain the main drive battery, because the heater runs off it's own 12v battery.........so the worst that could happen would be a flat 12v battery...
I am much more excited by the prospect of converting postal, UPS/FedEx/etc. and such-like delivery vehicle fleets to electric drive than the next whiz-bang toy for the conspicuous consumption set. More of this!
@Aussie Pom The batteries don't necessarily degrade any faster than others. Robert (Fully Charged) Llewellyn's 10 year old Leaf is still on it's original pack, and he's done a video specifically about battery pack longevity. The video is on here..... An EV's battery pack can readily be tested and reconditioned, with the less efficient cells being replaced with new ones. Again, there is a video on here of a UK owned Leaf having it's pack refurbished. It took about half a day to carry out the work, and the cost was comparable to fitting a new clutch in an i.c. car. Quit scaremongering...... Battery cooling system or not, Nissan have still sold almost 400'000 of them to date Worldwide.
@@marclawyer2789 I must have missed that one.. Which car is that? I have seen some experimental PV quadricycle stuff but never on a full fledged vehicle. Even with 8 hours of direct sunlight and say 3 X 330w solar panels by the time you factor in losses I can't see how you would get more than around 8kWh .. add losses and you are looking at 6kWh. I guess an very efficient EV could get about 100km for 15 kWh. So 6kWh could get you 40km..or 25miles... So a few miles I guess in perfect conditions with level ground and no heater or air con on.... You could be right but I guess it will be practically Vs cost as well. Very interesting I guess if you want to travel for 450 miles in a day with no stopping whatsoever... (Like who ever does that... Fewer than claim they do I suspect 🤔😂) solar panels won't be any good.. but then that's were these drivers are never going to want to adopt an EV... Lol I see the Rivian Van has a few camper mock ups with panels.... Interesting... It would be awesome if it could be done. We need nano technology solar PV asap...👍👍👍
It would be pointless. You'd need a solar array at least the size of a tennis court to be sufficiently effective. It just isn't a practical proposition at the moment.....
I think there a great idea not only on savings for running in the long term , but also because I suffer from breathing illness, the times I see delivery drivers of ice vehicles waiting outside business where I live 15 mins or more with there engines running for no reason. Ev vans are the answer I can go out to breathe fresh air . 😊🤓👍 ps Happy Christmas all ⛄️☃️❄️🎄
The Transit Custom electric does 310 miles with the range extender. Not full electric, but for metro deliveries you can go full electric and use the range extender for longer trips. It’s probably a good fit for you but you have to pay a hefty premium over the diesel one.
Oh to have someone who actually knows something about EVs asking the questions! So, as far as the SAIC van is concerned , does it have aircon as standard because it uses the same heat pump to *heat* the cab (and thereby save at least 60% of the electricity a standard resistive heater would use)? This is a *very important question* as it makes a big difference to range (up to 15%). Adding weight only decreases range because of the extra energy used in constant stop/start driving. At speed, the main factor that affects range is aerodynamic drag and this increases at the square of speed - in practical terms eg, drag and therefore energy use roughly *doubles* if you drive at 70mph Vs 50mph. The huge advantage of the EV Vs ICEV in stop start is the advantage of regen (-erative braking). Why you would not want to use as much of this as possible, I simply have no idea.
Range will have to be improved massively for those to come to the market. Like 400 mile range+ we are talking, so people aren't stranded and can actually go on trips to were they want to go, rather than 3 days to get to their desired location.
Nice review. Just a small point on using the brakes - the pads don't get used when you brake unless you really go for it - normal use of the brakes uses regen for slowing down in the same way as the highest setting of the regen when you take your foot off the accelarator. Much nicer to have fairly aggressive regen as it means you can just use the accelerator for accelerating and slowing down and you hardly use the brake pedal. But it makes no difference to the amount of regen you get and the brake pad wear - just personal preference which setting of regen you use.
We drive a TMV taxi van (Total Mobility Vehicle) and do between 200 to 500 kilometres in an 18 hour day. With two half hour breaks. Unfortunately there is nothing electric currently on the market, and from what I can work out from all the comments from manufacturers to date, there will never be an electric van that will suit our needs. Add to the mix the need for a wheelchair hoist, which takes a lot of power, we will have to remain with diesel or petrol vehicles, which is a real shame.
Visibility is a big deal in vans and i dont think the cost of mirroring it is all that much really, it's the same stuff after all. If you aren't selling the quantity to do that, then it's probably not worth being in the market at all
Interesting to see the Chinese version of Maxus arriving in Europe. The mainstream Mfrs are really expensive at present. The VW Transporter has only 80 miles of range & their advertised lease is £20k down & £500 per month. That’s nuts. I see Amazon is already running electric Sprinters & they’re getting about 80 miles. Some drivers are having to find public chargers to get a top up charge to get back to base at the end of the day, so there’s still a way to go, it seems
Many thanks fir testing an EV Commercial. I have a need for a vehicle to carry 2 mobility scooters and EV's simply don't cut it for me but...E Commercials are a different case. Alternatively I'll be waiting for the Cybertruck.
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We've wanted to get our hands dirty and discuss Electric Vans for a long time. Delivery of this long-awaited series of five episodes has been delayed by the Coronavirus pandemic, but we are delighted to share the first episode before the year end (the rest will follow in the New Year). Andy Torbet talks about the 'invisible workforce', gets some expert advice from Vanarama's resident expert and takes a look at the Maxus E Deliver 3. We hope you enjoy the ride!
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noticed that the new Arrival UPS electric van was not mentioned, hmmm...
Excellent presentation of relevant information
@@wexcalibur9379 It is a series and will get a mention later in the series. It still is not launched yet...
I hope in your reviews you're able to load up the vans with a large set standard load, say a 800kg pallet of bricks, and test their ranges on hilly streets since elevation changes and temperature have a drastic effect on the range also. It would be a rather nasty surprise to purchase a van only to find out the advertised range was for a 20% load on a flat (or downhill) piece of road during a spring day.
Where was the LEVC VN5?
Good to see cargo electrification being looked at seriously now. Going to be an interesting and useful series.
Delivery vans and buses make the most sense for commercial electrification; They typically have well known routes and service requirements, so there can be more confidence in specifying the minimum performance of the vehicles. There's also a business case, since fuel and maintenance are a significant chunk of operating cost and electric vehicles can reduce both of those significantly.
As popular as personal electric cars have gotten over the past decade, I think the electric delivery vans are really going to eclipse private vehicle sales in the next decade.
Nopie, actually the humble garbage/trash trucks would make far more sense to electrify ....
It's just the delivery van meme is more common, so most ppl are programmed to regurgitate the talking points about it instead doing their own individual evaluation. Shame SM has foresters, so much groupthink instead seeing ppl own unique thoughts on a subject. Since memes are so boring...
@@nc3826 I would classify garbage trucks as delivery vans, since the only difference is the direction the deliveries are being made!
Though electrifying them might be slightly more difficult, since they are much heavier (10+ tons) and use a lot more energy (weight, hydraulics), and still have to cover 150+ miles a day or more. It can totally be done but I don't see it as being as immediate as neighborhood delivery vans and municipal buses.
Edit: For background, there was a period in my professional career where I designed CNG infrastructure for buses and garbage truck fleets.
@@Smidge204 Yep for heavy vehicle work, especially in the winter months would be better served with RNG, especially long haul freight locomotive engines.
Soon, hopefully big battery camper vans!
Batteries, until we get actual Tesla towers, are the thing that will make mobile life much more doable.
Camper vans don't need huge range, but ideally could live a number of days on a charge with heavy A/C use. Both winter and summer. As long as the van makes the most of high speed chargers, even all day drives should not be too painful.
In a last mile delivery van, huge range doesn't really help. They can slow charge overnight at base.
In a camper van, a big battery gives mobile autonomy. Constructions to keep the overall weight down and allow for some extra payload would be most welcome. 5-speed moving vans are pretty awesome, even on highways. Make a lightweight chassis like that, add a big battery, build a good camper and you have a dream mini house.
Milk floats were so ahead of the curve!
AND, they only carried sufficient batteries to cover their route too!
@@koitorob or, was the route planned for the size of their batteries? Chicken or the Egg ?
Electric vans make so much sense. No noise or pollution around homes, businesses and pedestrians. Very low costs to run. Easy to drive for hours on end. Very reliable. Can fit in with a known work pattern. I guess that's why Amazon and UPS are buying tens of thousands of them.
Btw, couldn't help but smile when they were discussing pricing at 10:20. Vauxhall are giving these guys a run for their money!
I agree Michael, when I learned the Vivaro-e pricing I was quite impressed.
Who are Vauxhall?
@@jambomambo3808
They are the U.K. brand for Opel.
As a tradesman who owns an older electric van I just want to say THANK YOU for covering electric vans!....at last!
Our fleet is now 100% Electric..
We have an eco dog walking, Dog grooming and pet shop business.
The Kangoo ZE33 fits our needs perfectly.
It is a good balance between zero emissions, fuel savings and £ Vs range.
No point in lugging excess battery storage around.
And just to clarify 100% means one van.. bit we all have to start somewhere... PAWWS has been going almost 10 years and we have continually updated and improved our offering, processes and we are as green as we can get at the moment. We also try to only sell products that are ecology based and we try to eliminate all single use plastics.
For us it's not enough just to have switched to EVs. Pets have a big impact on the planet.. but are overlooked very often.
Keep up the good work.
Great to see vans get some focus👍
I have a 40kw ENV200. Absolutely love it. I am a potter and use it to transport my work to exhibitions around the UK, and then camp in it. I am still working on the camper conversion part of it. For most trips the 120-150 mile range is fine, but longer trips do require planning. My favourite thing about the van is that it sounds like a spaceship. 😄
Just placed an order for the eDeliver9 (yes, the 9, not the 3 -> it's much larger).
Can't wait.
It is a really great Van - You are in for a treat!
I’m excited for you! I see tens of them daily in China
u should film it
A new Amazon warehouse opened near me recently (N Wales), and they run 30 electric vans for local deliveries.
I was pleasantly surprised to get an Amazon delivery from an Electric van recently. Their add ran before this vid too. Good stuff
I saw an all-electric van from Amazon awhile back and it was exciting to know there will be more on the roads.
Important question: What's the visibility like if I stack 23 used coffee cups, 5 empty buckets from KFC and a pile of unpaid parking fines on the dashboard? Asking for a friend.
I imagine much better, plus a larger capacity as there is only one seat. Imagine how many cups and boxes can be casually thrown to the left!
🤣🤣🤣
along with the parking tickets, leave the window open, and let it natural dispose
This is the content I've been waiting for. Thank you.
We are already seeing sprinters around here in london, i think amazon has bought a load. makes a huge amount of sense for them
Thought that guy had an LTT jacket for a moment (Linus orange)
I think it will be a while before they work for me, as a drone operator I can sometimes do well over 300 miles in a day
I'm with you there, I've had a few days with 880km drives. A single
I think the argument about range at 5:15 ish is fair but it is also a cover for the fact that a van should have 300 miles range. In the odd low end case of 20 miles a day you can go several days without worry of charging.
There is a basic guideline of driving in colder climates, refill at half way incase you are stranded somewhere. It's just good winter safety. With ranges in the 100's divided by a quarter or even a third for cold, that is not safe.
I think these vans are a good first step but just not ready for prime adaption yet.
Sadly, my work can take me from Glasgow to Inverness and take be back through Fort William. That's 344 miles, and my work can do this sort of run 3-4 times a week. I really would like to see a long wheel van that could do 450-500 miles on one charge.
Thanks for a great, super informative episode.
Over here in the U.S., we want a vehicle that has the best range to be a viable camper van.
We could go from campground to campground to plug in for the next day’s run, but, the ability to put low profile solar panels on the roof for better range could be a game changer.
Super Charged
Looking on Auto Trader, the Peugeot E-Expert version of the Vivaro is available now, for c.£26k +Vat for the 50kwh and c.£28k +Vat for the 75kwh! Of course, Vauxhall is now owned by the Peugeot/Citroën group, so the Pug would always be released first!
26k +Vat (@20%) is still only £31.2k, very competitive with the Chinese offering!
Without AC, fast charger, rear view camera etc etc
Us van drivers don't need AC! Wind the windows down and get a heavily tanned arm!
Careful with how you calculate the including vat price - it's not straight forward with ev's. The VAT is calculated before the government grant is deducted so the vat is on £34k (£26k + £8k grant) which is £6.8k. So the total vat inclusive price is £32.8k. If you're vat registered it's not an issue obviously. I've just orded a e-dispatch 75kWh XL and paid a fraction over £27k+vat (£34k inc).
General misconception is that high lift-off regen on the accelerator (i.e. one pedal driving) saves you more energy. In fact this is less efficient than coasting and stoping with the brake pedal regen (not using the pads). One pedal driving is just more convenient in the city traffic. But coasting is always more efficient than the constant conversion of kinetic to electric energy and vice versa due to the losses.
Ive had my E-NV200 for a year now and love it, even with its short range it works well for me!
With the Maxus, did those rear barn doors have locking straps to prevent them opening wide at first? Asking for the wind to catch them if not! Also a bulkhead hatch under the passenger seat would be a great improvement! I made a tiny one on my van, and its a great help, which makes the roof rack a rare use addition.
BTW Im adveraging 3.5pence per mile on our 14pKWh tarrif. Compared to 13.5ppm for my old Desil Doblo. (Ignoring all servicing costs, just fuel)
Why are the comments disabled in the xpeng video?
Why are comments disabled for the XPeng video?
With the EV reviews including vans it would be nice to cover if they are front, rear or all wheel drive and just a bit of info on where the motors are etc. There’s a real shortage of awd vans and think EV brings the potential to maybe have a better range of options. Cheers
Rivian needs a fullsize, non-wonky lookin, cargovan/passenger van. A camperized version would prolly sell well too.
As a fibre technician in Australia, I have to get my van in all sorts of places that aren't ideal for the one wheel drive (RWD, no LSD) I have now. AWD electric van would be amazing if it had 230VAC & air con in the back and decent range.
Good show 👍
Not sure if I heard , but need to consider winter capacity loss as well.
Cheers
I'm a plumber, currently driving a suzuki carry van, it is small but easy to park in crowded residential streets. It is very fuel efficient (for an i.c.e.) and with twin sliding doors I have easy access to all my gear.
I am waiting for a similar sized e-van, maybe a little bigger but not the size of a transporter and not a car with it's windows blacked out.
A 100 - 150 mile range is fine for me, dc charger is a must otherwise long trips are impossible.
I really don't care about "toys" in the cab, I prefer less to go wrong.
There are 10 times as many cars on the road as there are vans so I guess that is why manufacturers have been so slow bringing e-vans to market. However, the uptake for vans will likely be a much higher percentage than for cars once businesses have a realistic option for a realistic price.
Nissan NV200, Citroen Berlingo/Peugeot Partner? both soon available in e versions........
Two questions what’s the cargo links in the two vans and will it ever arrive with some seats and windows in the rear
Can you take the passenger seat out with the lwb van, to accommodate365- 4 metre rolls of carpet?
Is it rwd as fwd doesn't work as well with a heavily loaded van?
oow is that down hill shot intro in heml hempstead? :D
...thats what i thought aswell...
That what I thought at the beginning too. Defo looked like the infamous 'magic roundabout'
Since the comments on "PREMIÈRE" was disabled. I wanted to come here and say, great job reporting and i loved the format :)
I wanted to express my joy at being told that there was shit loads of room in the back! :)
how many kw do you make braking with a metric ton in the back? that's what I wanna see.
Agreed. Weight in the back decreases range generally, but with regen braking surely it would help recover some of that lost range.
How about using metric units?
Thanks for a vantastic review. I'd love a camper van based on the Maxus
Nice info about the side doors for cargo. I prefer it on both sides. As a plommer i sometime need some longe pipe. Please consider say something about roof rack, tow hicth, elektric outlets.
I have a Kangoo ZE33. It can take 2 x euro pallets and has sliding doors both sides. It's the H1L2 version.
You can get one on a lease at a really very good price..👍
It can take 3 X roof cross rails. Not sure about a tow hitch.
Excellent review. Thank you.
I've just finished watching a pod cast with Robert and Jehu and they were talking about a trip in a solar powered van, there's an Australian doing a trip from Alaska to Argentina in a 100% solar powered camper van. He started about 2 years ago its called Route Del Sol on you tube.
I'm looking forward to the Camper conversions of these vans both professional and amateur!
Rapid charging to your destination then plug into the campsite granny boxes or Type II's (if available) - or service station Type II's for overnight charging and use! I can't wait!
Same here, interested in an electric van with three seats to make a camper from!
Are any of these available in the North American or USA markets? It would be helpful to mention that in the videos since you do have a worldwide audience.
Can it be purchased for private use? Like using it as a Camper Van? Or only for commercial purposes?
What about the peugeot e-expert?
would have been useful to see a full cost breakdown over the first three years of ownership vs the equivalent diesel model. The ticket prices on medium sized ev vans are super high, i would like to see at what ppint they become financially benificial
yay, thank you. really wanted to get a eletric van instead of fait qubo mpv :(. regretted it. it was insurance that helped hold me back. please do cover insurance costs, especially for new drivers
So regenerative breaking gets you energy back, and saves the breaks. That would also mean less harmful break dust right?
Then wouldn't it be a great idea to implement it in the London metro, since the break dust level there is way above the accepted limit.
Such a build up of the dust can be, and is being quite deadly unfortunately.
I LOVE VANS!!
Can't wait to get tailgated by one of these... White vans are going to get a hell of a lot faster.
Doesn't come standard with windscreen wipers?
There's a pretty big area on the roof of a van. Why don't they put PV panels on top to extend the range a bit.
What about converting this to a camper van, is there any company starting to make conversions for the general public. We see a lot of interest to using an RV to travel and see your country at least in North America including Canada were we live.
Waiting for the ID Buzz Cargo.
People saying why spend £50k on a van? Why not. I'm in my work van more than my house. I love my T6 yet I hate everything about its diesel engine. Very thirsty at 28mpg and very unreliable, not ideal on a £55k van.
If the IID Buzz Cargo will have 150miles of real world loaded cold weather range, dual motor and much power and be around the £50k price point I'll be happy, but it will need to offer more luxury customisation than the current Transporter. Love how the PSA group vans have set the bar, but too slow 136bhp isn't enough.
Have you ever driven a 130hp electric car? Doesn’t feel anything like a 130hp ICE
@@fishfaceschool no I haven't. I'm aware it's a big difference Vs ice but I'm meaning more in terms of the 190bhp 320lbft my current van has at 2.4tons and still isn't enough for me, I'd want more power especially when loaded up. Another reason I'm hoping for a potential dual motor setup the VAG MEB platform holds. More power is a personal choice and 100kw motor is enough for a most people.
Good to see Andy in his element here, interesting review with relevant observations. Looking forward to the next episodes.
I do think 7.4 kW fast charging is just about ok but I'd like to see options for 11 and 22 kW 3-phase AC charging in addition to the rapid. I can imagine tradesmen plugging in to shop car park 22 kW chargers or fast food car park outlets while they eat. A nice extra 45 km of range in 30 minutes here and there could make longer journeys doable. Also at rapids that are already in use for DC charging, many now allow concurrent AC charging.
Especially because 3-phase is already available in most workshops and could be used with a simple adapter plug.
I wouldn't call 7.4kW a fast charging. 22kW, sure, that is fast, especially for AC. And usually, the max you can do, considering the connectors used, and reasonable max you would be able to install at residential area or office, etc. I don't think it is required in every car or van (in fact it can be detrimental to battery life, if you charge too fast overnight, but you don't need it, and forget to slow it down in car settings), but should be available as an option. Epsecially as in van the added weight between 11 and 22kW on board charge would be really small relatively speaking, and by having faster charging, you can enable some interesting use cases, even if you have smaller (and thus cheaper and lighter) battery pack.
@@movax20h Good points.
I was using UK standard terminology, btw:
Fast charging = 7 - 22 kW AC
Rapid charging = DC 50 kW+ or AC 43 kW
@@nettlesoup Ok.
A good common sense review, covering the key points and important factors if deciding to go electric for your works van.
Thank you!.
Can somebody tell me what's the song in the start of the video please
I know that road! You guys are in Hemel Hempstead!
Yippee. At last . Probably just got to wait about 5 years before Australia wakes up to it . Ldv have promised a pick up too . Let's see how long that will take. Keep smiling everyone
HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
@@waynethefridgemanosborne8984 you know there won't be much waking up to EV in the next couple years with this government in power 😕
As a guy in the building trade with a transit custom swb at the moment. The question I need answered in these reviews is when racked out for tools is it possible to fit 8x4 sheet material up on edge in the back as removing everything to lay them flat is a nonstarter.
I rack mine so I can put them in diagonally from behind the passenger side of the bulkhead to the drivers side at the back doors and can fit a good number of sheet in at once. This is never addressed in van reviews so if you can bear this in mind for future. Great work and thx to all at fullycharged. Love the Chanel.
Just on a side note. I am in property maintenance and on average would do 70 ish miles in a day and on occasion have done 120miles but this is rear. So was wondering what average mileages any other guys in the building game are doing.
@7:11 they show the internal dimensions. 2.18x1.33x1.66m (7.15x4.63x5.44ft) - however it's only 1.22m between the wheels, which effectively makes the space 1.44m wide when loaded diagonally. So after some quick math you'd have approx. 2.6m (8.5ft) available for diagonal loading - hence a couple of 8x4 sheets should fit.
Or you can go for the long wheelbase version, which offers 2.77m (9ft) in length.
@@stephanweinberger Thank you for doing the math on that. but in practice i am guessing those measurements are at floor level and the problem is the bulkhead and back doors may well curve inward as you go up and by the time you get to 1220mm up it may not fit.
in my transit mk7 i can in fact get sheets straight in but only on the passenger side as the bulkhead behind the drivers seat bulges to allow for the seat and headrest to recline.
also at the back the top corner of the sheet sits in the indent where the glass window would be.
but as i say this depends on the shape of the van at 1220mm for the floor.
on the diagonal they fit in my van easy. but looking at the video the bulkhead shape and the inward curve at the back corner plus the curve of the door opening make it unclear if this is the case with this van. also the wheel arch would be boxed in with most builders vans so where they are in terms on distance from the back matters to. my point being it very hard to know unless someone actually puts a few sheets in whether it is possible.
again i would like to say i am not complaining about the review just offering some insight from the view point of a carpenter as to what would be good to know.
Crusader Vans on youtube do a 8x4 sheet challenge where they do this but they have not done that many vans as yet.
The guys might want to talk to Roger Bisby at skill builder about what us guys need from a van.
thanks for talking the time to repley.
@@peterakers2047 based on my odometer readings in my Ford Transit over the past 2 years, I average 123km per weekday (never used on weekends).
Some individual days I've driven about 880km though.
oow and do mention how much sound damping and absorption there is, or in other words road noise. i would probablly be upgrading the sound system, which means needing to reduce road noise. if van has been fitted with lots of absorption and damping to a greater level already that helps a lot.
White van man just turns up the volume so you hear him coming.
Well he was talking at a moderate volume whilst driving it.
@Graham Johnson i dont want to lose anymore hearing. not every person that has a white van wants to turn vol up to try hide road noise. doesnt really work. its what im already doing. didnt fully sound dampen and absorption my small mpv van. only the doors. thinking i was selling it in a year or so...
@@revolvingwonder3777 Not into a bit of white van man humour then?
@@grahamjohnson4702 I turn the volume up and wind the window down....
It's an EV...
I find this approach better than sneaking up silently on cyclists and pedestrians then blasting the Nautilus air horn🤔😙🤔😂
Any tipper vans coming out?
I think LDV already offer one..........or at least did...
I didn't know tipper vans were a thing!
or maybe it doesn't mean what I imagine... 🤔
Don't know if I missed it but whats the range when its loaded full of cargo. Living in a rural area with lots of hills will they be able to have a good range when working.
In the video it was mentioned that Nissan estimates a 2% drop in range for every 100kg added. So if you had to load a van with half a ton (the equivalent of about six adult males, you would loose about 10% in range. I would say that with the van in the video you should be able to regularly get between 80 and 100 miles out of it when loaded up on a full charge.
How does that loaded pallet effect that simple 100/151 mile range?
The range is based on 70% payload so you should not see to much change in range based on payload. But it will depend on how you drive it
Did you even watch the video?
Mike, that depends if you're driving uphill or down 😉
Really want to convert out fleet to electric but we do a lot of miles driving all around the country fitting electric vehicle charging points so we need something with good range and enough space inside... waiting for Tesla to bring one out! 😆
Thanks for the weight conversion for us yankees, I'm pushing for more U.S. based channels to do the same to metric. Cheers!
Got a little worried there when Andy, who let's be honest looks like he's ex forces, praises the bulkhead window for being able to check on the cause of any "strange and bangs and noises from the back", Such as, oh i don't know, captive's wrist bindings coming loose? Regaining conch... coming around? 🤣
Could this be a ev rocker van? Would love to see it converted to one.
I’m a little confused about a comment made about braking. The statement made was that regen only occurs when letting the van slow down on its own, and the physical brakes kick in when the brake pedal is used.
My Prius’s didn’t do this (they first apply regen breaking, and transition to physical brakes about 5mph), my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV doesn’t do this (does the same), yet the implication was that the physical brake pedal normally applies the physical brakes in EVs...
Is this van different from other EVs then? Or does the reviewer not realise that many cars haven’t had a physical connection between the pedals and the engine/brakes for nearly 2 decades? 🤔
This is different between various EVs. Eg. Tesla vehicles also have a direct physical link from pedal to brakes. It's much easier to build (and easier to get a type rating as well).
All these vans currently are great for larger businesses which either do deliveries or have the ability to split areas into small zones for many engineers. For small companies and trades people that cover large areas with heavy loads, plumbers, sparks etc they're crap. This is the busiest time of the year for heating companies, we tend to carry up at the weight limit and cover a lot of miles in a day many more than the EV range can cope with. For instance the e-vivaro when I called them has a 217 mile range empty but when I discussed with them it drops to 60 miles loaded before taking into account the winter. At which point the issue becomes not range limited as chargers will become more common but the increased cost in hours that engineers have to be paid for the extra time they're out but not bringing in revenue.
& that's the thing, do you forcibly grow your company to cover the same area but increase your costs or wait another 5 years for battery tech to give that 1-200 mile range fully loaded. As such the incentive for small/sole traders just isn't there if they cover more than their immediate local area. Which is really f'ing annoying cause by rights Vans are far more important and spend much more time on the road than any car, so the emissions savings would be far greater. Can't wait to swap over but getting fed up of manufacturers taking their time to get their act together. By the time they do a van that copes with what I need the incentive to actually get one will have dried up.
Yeah, I need more range in a van than these offer. I think with time better vans for us will become available.
Does anyone remember Red star, drop off a parcel or letter at a train station, and someone or a courier could pick it up at the train station at the other end and take it the final miles, it's a shame that service from British rail disappeared, electric vans and cargo bikes would work well with a service like that today. Happy Christmas everyone 🥳
Yes I do, it was brilliant but can you imagine the stupendous fees train companies would charge . It would work well if pricing were held at a sensible level.
With the short range and slow charging times it may be suitable for the first owner but will it ever be re-saleable
Why?
I think the 2nd hand EV specialists would disagree with you. There is a healthy trade in used EVs.
That is why you lease.
Used to drive a 4m merc sprinter. Like the idea of an electric version. With 25-30k miles per year it cost a fortune in petrol. Would want 200+ mile range.
An electric van campervan conversion episode/series would be great! The VW ID Buzz thing is going to cost a fortune and the waiting list will be daft anyway. I'd love to know the viability of converting one of these into a campervan.
The range just isn’t there for me. I’d want to be able to do my normal weekend away without charging, I’d need 350ish miles of range for that. Plus heating when parked up
An electric camper van doesn't make any sense due to the need for long range but very little overall miles. Makes it expensive when you can't recover the cost of the battery pack in fuel savings.
@@celeron55 The range is an issue but it has nothing to do with it being eclectic. It has everything to do with the companies making them. They are not willing to put in the effort to build the manufacturing infrastructure and ground up EV platform to bring down the cost. These are compliance vehicles nothing more.
@@nacnud2323 That's an issue when wild camping but hookup on sites could solve the problem for some people. Personally I'd not want to drive 350 miles without stoping so charging at a fast charger on route doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for me, just something to factor into the trip. I guess most would add PV to charge the leisure battery system.
@@celeron55 That is a contradiction surely? If a camper is doing long distances it will make the savings, although I guess if it is then sat for weeks unused you do have a point. Fast (ish) charging on route is not that big a problem, and is getting easier every year, as long as the van has the ability.
Is there a new driving test for electric vehicles?
Why might you need a new driving test? All the basic principles remain the same as before. The van's power source doesn't change anything.
The issue for me and my Electronic Security and Fire Alarm business is the range, we have a fleet of 8 vans of VW Caddy/Ford Connect, Custom sized vans, our installation guys can probably get away with 100-150 miles of range, however our servicing guys can be as much as 150 - 200 miles a day.
I appreciate they can be ‘topped up’ maybe at lunch time but it’s too costly for us as a business to have our staff sitting at a charger for 30-60 minutes before they get to their next job, I understand this can coincide with a 30 minute lunch break but that’s not how the real world works, most of the time my lunch ‘breaks’ can be the journey between calls. We are waiting for a Caddy sized van that will do 200+ miles with a decent load of tools and spare parts in the back and taking into consideration negative aerodynamics for having ladders and stepladders on a roof, not when it’s empty......
Van manufacturers seem to think vans are just used for deliveries....
okay.. this thing is interesting ✨
14:00 Those doors are just bare metal, without the noise insulation at the edges. That car must let in A Lot of road noise.
aww didnt know the e-nv200 range included 300kg~ of load weight! that would have helped me make decision. i thought maybe i wait for new model... maybe i buy the old one now before any repair bills for my fait qubo :O
Awesome 👏
I hear The LDV vans were made in The UK and the Netherlands up 15 years ago . What happen , the company closed down, Why?
Leasing costs for EV vans seems to be around twice that of the ICE equivalent, even when the list prices are about the same. Would suggest that they are for some reason being hiked up or that the market doesn’t trust the residuals to be great on used EV vans. Taking the fuel/electric, road tax and even congestion charge costs into account, you would need to be covering a lot of miles to just break even, and then because you’re covering more miles the leasing cost is higher again.
A low range EV van would be great for my work vehicle (especially if I could utilise onboard power too) but the costs are just too prohibitive at the moment.
I'd be interested in seeing more information on the "residuals" on EV Vans as well. I've been keeping track of prices of used EVs and E-vans on Autotrader and it seems that they don't really depreciate that much, so I'm not sure why the lease prices are so expensive. Perhaps this will change quite quickly as more vans reach the market and leasing companies will learn to trust the technology
I wonder if its simply because of lack of supply at the moment? alternatively if you are leasing, they know it's cheaper to run so cheaper month on month, so while there are few leasing firms in the market they are ramping up the cost to be *just* cheaper than ICE
It's electric VAAAAANS....
"Vahns"
How do spell Varns?
A friend of mine from London was very critical of Nissan E-NV 200 van they had to use at work. he criticised very very poor range in winter (cited 35 miles at best) and the fact that they could not use air heating in the cabin because it drained the battery too much, and had to save energy by resorting to use seat heating only/instead.
I dont really blame his criticism, the van used the same power/drive train as first gen Leaf, so 24kWh battery, which is extremely bad by modern standarts. That compared with higher weight of van and the weight of cargo would really decrease the range, more so in winter.
+Lokosik
Good lesson to make sure the battery is big enough for the cold seasons as well.
Well it wouldn't drain the main drive battery, because the heater runs off it's own 12v battery.........so the worst that could happen would be a flat 12v battery...
@@Brian-om2hh and what do you think charges the 12v system? Did you imagine it was run down throughout the day and charged at night?
Dssapointed this series of reviews stopped short of the larger 3.5t segment : Transit/Ducato/Maxus/Master/Sprinter...
I am much more excited by the prospect of converting postal, UPS/FedEx/etc. and such-like delivery vehicle fleets to electric drive than the next whiz-bang toy for the conspicuous consumption set. More of this!
The second hand market for EV vans is going be interesting.
@Aussie Pom The batteries don't necessarily degrade any faster than others. Robert (Fully Charged) Llewellyn's 10 year old Leaf is still on it's original pack, and he's done a video specifically about battery pack longevity. The video is on here..... An EV's battery pack can readily be tested and reconditioned, with the less efficient cells being replaced with new ones. Again, there is a video on here of a UK owned Leaf having it's pack refurbished. It took about half a day to carry out the work, and the cost was comparable to fitting a new clutch in an i.c. car. Quit scaremongering...... Battery cooling system or not, Nissan have still sold almost 400'000 of them to date Worldwide.
What will be more interesting will be the secondhand market for all those used diesel vans from about 2025 onwards.......
Also the advantage is congestion charge free access
Nice varn's. :)
Vans would have plenty of space for PV cells on the roof ...
Only any good for keeping the 12v system topped up TBH.
@@G-Cam1
No, there's a PV shod car that within a working day can charge the average journey to work (17 miles), so a van would be more.
@@marclawyer2789 I must have missed that one..
Which car is that?
I have seen some experimental PV quadricycle stuff but never on a full fledged vehicle.
Even with 8 hours of direct sunlight and say 3 X 330w solar panels by the time you factor in losses I can't see how you would get more than around 8kWh .. add losses and you are looking at 6kWh.
I guess an very efficient EV could get about 100km for 15 kWh.
So 6kWh could get you 40km..or 25miles... So a few miles I guess in perfect conditions with level ground and no heater or air con on....
You could be right but I guess it will be practically Vs cost as well.
Very interesting
I guess if you want to travel for 450 miles in a day with no stopping whatsoever... (Like who ever does that... Fewer than claim they do I suspect 🤔😂) solar panels won't be any good.. but then that's were these drivers are never going to want to adopt an EV... Lol
I see the Rivian Van has a few camper mock ups with panels.... Interesting...
It would be awesome if it could be done. We need nano technology solar PV asap...👍👍👍
It would be pointless. You'd need a solar array at least the size of a tennis court to be sufficiently effective. It just isn't a practical proposition at the moment.....
I think there a great idea not only on savings for running in the long term , but also because I suffer from breathing illness, the times I see delivery drivers of ice vehicles waiting outside business where I live 15 mins or more with there engines running for no reason. Ev vans are the answer I can go out to breathe fresh air . 😊🤓👍 ps Happy Christmas all ⛄️☃️❄️🎄
I need a van that can do 300 miles a day ( I have a Transit Custom).
then you need a Tesla van.
I think that will be a little way off yet. What about taking a break on route?
The Transit Custom electric does 310 miles with the range extender. Not full electric, but for metro deliveries you can go full electric and use the range extender for longer trips. It’s probably a good fit for you but you have to pay a hefty premium over the diesel one.
As per the video ... this suits 80% of van usage. So you are in the 20% so keep driving an ICE meantime.
So would a 150 mile range and 2 quick recharges while the driver has a break be feasible?
Oh to have someone who actually knows something about EVs asking the questions! So, as far as the SAIC van is concerned , does it have aircon as standard because it uses the same heat pump to *heat* the cab (and thereby save at least 60% of the electricity a standard resistive heater would use)? This is a *very important question* as it makes a big difference to range (up to 15%).
Adding weight only decreases range because of the extra energy used in constant stop/start driving. At speed, the main factor that affects range is aerodynamic drag and this increases at the square of speed - in practical terms eg, drag and therefore energy use roughly *doubles* if you drive at 70mph Vs 50mph. The huge advantage of the EV Vs ICEV in stop start is the advantage of regen (-erative braking). Why you would not want to use as much of this as possible, I simply have no idea.
I'd also expect regen braking to produce more power when the van is carrying a heavy load
Camper vans! We want electric camper vans!
Range will have to be improved massively for those to come to the market. Like 400 mile range+ we are talking, so people aren't stranded and can actually go on trips to were they want to go, rather than 3 days to get to their desired location.
Doesn't a smaller battery mean it wears out faster as well, because you're doing more cycles?
Yes. Larger battery also works less hard. But, degradation generally isn't high, and until the prices drop, right-sizing is desirable economically.
The rest of the vehicle will wear out first. Batteries do degrade but should be good for 30+ years of use.
Nice review. Just a small point on using the brakes - the pads don't get used when you brake unless you really go for it - normal use of the brakes uses regen for slowing down in the same way as the highest setting of the regen when you take your foot off the accelarator. Much nicer to have fairly aggressive regen as it means you can just use the accelerator for accelerating and slowing down and you hardly use the brake pedal. But it makes no difference to the amount of regen you get and the brake pad wear - just personal preference which setting of regen you use.
Is that the case for all brands? I'd hope so, but I don't know
Excellent - when can I git 1 with steering wheel on the "correct" side...?
What’s a varn?
We drive a TMV taxi van (Total Mobility Vehicle) and do between 200 to 500 kilometres in an 18 hour day. With two half hour breaks. Unfortunately there is nothing electric currently on the market, and from what I can work out from all the comments from manufacturers to date, there will never be an electric van that will suit our needs. Add to the mix the need for a wheelchair hoist, which takes a lot of power, we will have to remain with diesel or petrol vehicles, which is a real shame.
Why E Deliver and not DeliverE?
Brilliant!
Why don't they put the steering wheel in the middle of large vans with a seat either side? That way it's ready for any market.
Visibility is a big deal in vans and i dont think the cost of mirroring it is all that much really, it's the same stuff after all. If you aren't selling the quantity to do that, then it's probably not worth being in the market at all
What is a vahn/vhan?
It's spelt Varn
It's a van driven by a Scotsman.......
Interesting to see the Chinese version of Maxus arriving in Europe. The mainstream Mfrs are really expensive at present. The VW Transporter has only 80 miles of range & their advertised lease is £20k down & £500 per month. That’s nuts. I see Amazon is already running electric Sprinters & they’re getting about 80 miles. Some drivers are having to find public chargers to get a top up charge to get back to base at the end of the day, so there’s still a way to go, it seems
They need crew cab options.
Many thanks fir testing an EV Commercial. I have a need for a vehicle to carry 2 mobility scooters and EV's simply don't cut it for me but...E Commercials are a different case. Alternatively I'll be waiting for the Cybertruck.