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Yumi: *pissed at Bates for having Vatira at 12th*
Also Yumi: *puts Vatira at 11th*
yumi still has EASILY the best list
Nah, yumi was just talking trash to Tbates because he was trashing everyone's 1 off
I like how when Tbates is arguing against a potentially bad take he accidentally makes a worse one every time
there is no bad takes. a take is a take it might be true or wrong but you can't know because it's just a take
@@NiceDZNintro what you just said is a bad take and makes no sense whatsoever
@@Boomshakalaka023 good take
@@NiceDZNintro L take
The frequency with which TBates switches from W takes to L takes is immeasurable
Yes, the frequency is literally an eternity, cuz he's never had an L take. #BATESNEVERWRONG
He adds so much entertainment to these things. He has some absolutely bizarre takes, but he's indispensable.
Tbates flicks opinions faster than lionblaze
He is never wrong.
Tbates is sometimes wrong
1:35:40 this whole 5 minute sequence had me rolling on the floor man
I went back 20 seconds and just started laughing watching tbates read the lists knowing what was coming next.
In case you were wondering... If we combine all the lists (75 slots):
- 8 SAM (10.7%)
- 23 EU (30.6%)
- 44 NA (58.6%)
NA>EU
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SAM
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Rest of the world
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It’s not really a fair comparison. EU only sent 1 team.
@@None-lx8kj lol
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ME to
CJCJ talking about Comms strategy behind the trash talking was super cool to hear. Makes me respect Comm even more, especially when he played so heat all tourney long and the confidence he brings in interviews.
Hoping primarily for Torment to step up more in future events, but if that doesnt happen by at least the end of this season id hope for a roster change. Torment deserves his chance to shine, but the roster has too much potential right now to settle for anything less than top notch players in all three slots
Comm has the buff of the fact that he knows that fans love him and how he plays. How could you not be confident in that case? Love that guy
Torment has been getting better which is nice to see
would love to see mist in for torment
What I learned after 2 hours.
G2 had a phenomenal team performance.
They were just different gravy
Extremely bias NA fan here:
Sorry Tbates, this time you are wrong about Rise vs Atomic. As much as it burns my tongue, Rise was clearly the best player. His consistency was unmatched throughout the whole weekend and not to mention the consistent ice he has in clutch moments.
THANK YOU
This might sound like a really bad argument but rise should have won the major then. In my eyes the major mvp will almost always be the best player.
@@GamingByOPYT the mvp title doesnt equal the best player… this isnt a debate for the title because the winner will always have bias towards him.
@@GamingByOPYT It’s a 3 man game. Even if Rise is marginally better than Atomic, there’s 6 players on the pitch. Also, they went 1-1 vs G2 and I stay convinced that they would have won it all had it not been for fatigue.
Queso having the run they did being all lan rookies and not even top 5 last split is honestly so impressive, reminds me of when bds went from rlrs promotion to dominating rlcs
I swear I remember Johnny saying in his fall major rankings that he just couldn’t put more than 2 NRG players in the top 10 because they finished second.
Along with EU cope its probably because the lower bracket run they had, which NRG kinda just cruised through, since it was a different format it was less impressive.
Lol ya bias is real
He also said that JSTN’s Forza tweets were the reason he would play poorly in Sweden.
To be fair to Johnny, this format made the second place team’s run arguably more impressive than the winner of the event.
@@bolt-strikes yeah it makes it easy for G2 to go undefeated to the grand finals😂? copium
I side with Yumi’s list the most. CJ definitely went meme mode in this video, and Tbates had some good takes, but some horrendous ones as well
The Bates classic. Completely outrageous takes mixed with crazy good takes
Yumi all the way
This was so hilarious lmao. TBates has a mind of his own.
Dont we all 💀
….what?
@@omgpuppet what do u not understand exactly or are u just amazed?
We all do lmfao (yes I know this is a joke )
@@s0ulnorrr.827Wym?... He legit said that Tbates has a mind of his own, which we all do. So yeah I'd say its questionable at the very least? lmao.
Tbates: gets mad for JSTN being an HM despite averaging 470 against runner ups
Also Tbates: gets mad that runner ups are going to be top 10
Good ol', Bates
Well na he was just mad that the winners didnt have all top 10 but runners up did
@@LawsonSims44 Winners played like half less games and we saw less from them
@@joungjk7203 that's a credit to them, not a disservice.
@@joungjk7203 also lost less than them against arguably harder competition but theirs arguments for both sides
Watch Roll's face every time Bates fires off a clanger of a take for maximum enjoyment.
Hey Johnny, I would love to see this same style but meshed with an ESPN "round table" style.
Basically, every topic pops up and they have x amount of time to talk, then they have to move on. I love the long discussions but it would force a point if each pick only have 6 minutes or something.
Soooo first touch?
@@Jduehan I've never seen it, I didn't know the format.
@@samhaggerty5777 take a look it’s pretty funny a lot of the time especially with tbates and roll
1:51:00 johnny talking about marc sacrificing his life for g2 hits even harder with the roster rumors
That was pretty funny ngl
I had such great laughs this entire video, great stuff can't wait to see how wrong y'all predict the top 25 for spring major lmao.
Watch Roll's face every time Bates fires off a clanger of a take for maximum enjoyment.
I love this squad. Also I feel like Rolldizz has to be the most unbiased from the bunch. His recent lists have been more than fair for all sides
as he and the other american put atomic as #1 lol. rise clears
@@littlejaykiller oh wow what a coincidence he put the best player on the winning team as #1. Because of this, his entire list is invalidated from being unbiased because he is American and an American team won. Rise was easily top 2 and him being put at 2 in his list is definitely valid
Not just for this tournament but also for all regionals, this format was probably one of the worst formats I've ever seen for any tournament.
I already hate bracket resets, but this format just makes it so much more worse.
Same here as well. Lose 1 game and instantly have to win 8/9 games all in a row is crazy not including how bloody hard it would be concentrating for that long.
Yeah it was a little too weighted towards that group stage. That said, here comes straight double elim. 2 lives and you're out.
If I was smoking what Tbates is smoking, I would be living in a box.
But you'd also never be wrong too, so there is that
The C9 v Queso debate is literally the worst take Johnny has ever had 💀
The funnier thing is that even on twitter rise said c9 and its not even a debate 💀
Yeah that's the first time I've ever thought johnny was on eu COPIUM
What was the take?
@@eltorev1361 because he's gutted he's lost. Makes much more sense for an analyst to have a better take
@@jayeff4337 Queso had a more impressive run than S6 Cloud9
I love Johnny, and I usually think he has good takes, BUT there is no way that there were 9 players better than Joyo at this LAN.
especially monkey m00n, i know he was good, but he only made it to day 3 and got reverse swept by a guy below him
Vatira
Yanxnx
First
Daniel
Monkey
Jkanps
Beastmode
Atomic
Rise
Johnny goes from saying all NRG players can't be in the top 10 because they only finished runner up to having 3 queso players in the top 10 despite them not winning. The fact that some people ranked yanx lower than all 3 queso players shows that the EU/NA bias is real. Somehow Furia took queso to a game seven despite their best player being worst than quesos worst player. Dumb logic
Also am I the only one who thinks arsenal's bump game made him the MVP for SSG in the series against queso. Really don't understand the argument about intangibles, so what if chrome told him to demo more, does that mean that Daniel scoring more goals is also an intangible because chrome might have told him to shoot more. It's really hard to demo and create space for others to score, for a group of panelist who talk so much about things like the eye test how are they arguing against it in the queso series. So many goals were open nets created by arsenal through bumps (yes because demos aren't the only thing that create space) and demos so I feel like he easily satisfies that
Also ppl not ranking Justin in top 15 because of his team's performance and simultaneously complaining about how they don't like how a team's performance at the lan affects how it's players rank 🤯
Context matters, format and how well they played the entire tournament matter too. He also said he thinks a lot of teams were insane and performed well that major. This major he said there were 2 teams far above everyone else, so lets see if the results back that.
Fall major: NRG went 8-6 (+2) in series and BDS went 10-1 in series. Faze went 7-1 in series, Dig went 6-1 in series etc.
Winter major: Queso went 8-2 (+6) and G2 went 6-1 (+4) in series, all other teams had a +1 W/L ratio at best at 3-2 in series.
These results seem to back that there was a clear top 2 in winter and not in fall, granted they were different formats. NRG lost 6 series and 3 of those series were to people who did not win the tournament. So I will simply ask you this: In the entire fall major, do you think it's possible that 8 players (froma pool of all teams except NRG) played better than at minimum, the single worst performing member of NRG?
There is actually some context to this though. For example Rise played better than Jstn I'd say, Joyo played better than Squishy and Vatira definitely played better than Garrett. Keep in mind that NRG were in big trouble that lan, while Queso lost 1 series on the B stream. With the Furia example though I totally agree. To be honest I held LJ in higher regard then Daniel after regional 3, because LJ was being ridiculously impactful individually while Daniel was having a lot more help from his team. I think Seikoo is still the most terrifying offensive player in the game but he isn't getting that much attention these days because his team ain't winning.
P.S. Jstn can't be top 5. He performed slightly worse than Garrett for most of the event and was really quiet until the Queso series.
Bro, Vatira's defense was THE greatest I've ever seen in this tourney he should be at least top 7
TBates even though he’s insanely biased he can sometimes have like the fattest W take of all time. And also Jonny in all due respect is a lot more biased then he lets on, the last couple of videos he’s had on the LAN showed it to me when he talks about EU teams. He copes pretty hard but just hasn’t had to very much the last couple of years
Even when he casts its obvious man I almost can't stand it anymore
I use to love his takes, because I love objectivism, but it’s getting to a point of intolerable.
He copes for the memes sometimes. I did disagree with some of the stuff he said here, but think his list is still pretty much on point if you see how the LAN went.
he always talks about na copium but when anyone calls him out for copium he gets baffled and defensive
@@blk2390 yeah that’s what I mean, I think ever since NRG beat Vitality he might have realized that the regions are a lot more balanced than first thought and so when BDS was killing EU for an entire season he really latched on to the entire “EU is better than NA” debate and hasn’t really come back down from it. Same for Bates….
EU Copium has surpassed all previously observed levels, just Take the L guys, it’s just one event.
Based on yalls assessment of queso, I better see firstkiller as rank #1 becuase he literally carried his whole fuggin team🤣
When Rolldizz speaks it's always somewhere between announcing an NBA starting lineup and starting a rap battle.
I will say this: people ALWAYS say that lan vs online is super different, but it just isnt that different... The best teams are the best teams. Thinking Queso would go from playing absurd online to playing bad on lan is just kinda dumb imo. It is different yes, but inexperience on lan does not automatically mean worse performance, i hate when people say that
Maybe it’s stupid because you’re oversimplifying it to a stupid degree.
“Seikoo is better than every single player on Team Queso” -Tbates
I've been watching RLCS since Season 3 and I've always supported G2, seeing them finally win a big tourney again was amazing. BUT, I completely agree that Queso is by FAR better individually. Trying to deny that is ridiculous. Tbates whole thing of the MVP not winning was so illogical. Same with the Arsenal v Daniel argument. Just because they would have lost earlier without Arsenal, it doesn't mean you ignore how much Daniel outperformed him in the playoff bracket. Calling Arsenal the team leader or him leading comms and shit made no sense, Retals seems MUCH more like he plays that role (but it is all speculation, just guessing based off the comms videos).
Tbates chatting out his arse so often god damn. 2011 nba finals - I’m Scottish and even I know this shit - super teams don’t always perform
When Queso can't complete the lower bracket run: They're tired
When Cloud9 completed the lower bracker run: They had momentum
Eu copium for days
I agree. But in isolation just looking at that concept. It is interesting to think what is the bigger advantage tho in different scenarios. Momentum vs burning out from long run. It is interesting, because both things are real, the players themselves would agree to it. They can feel these things as they happen
I think momentum is better when you are an experienced team. However, I don’t know if being less experienced makes you faster, maybe because its more mentally taxing?
wasnt c9 first lan though was it
Johnny was casting the finals. He literally said in the final set that Queso isn’t showing any signs of fatigue. Then they lost, and well….
@@None-lx8kj we've seen it happen before where a team has done a bracket reset then fell apart and started to do constant mistakes.
Listening to TBates makes me want to pull my goddamn hair out. He will argue from literally every side and change his reasoning every 5 seconds. I am just sitting here absolutely fuming LOL. PICK AN ARGUMENT TBATES, and actually stick with it. You don't pick which argument for every individual case and decide how to justify your decisions after the fact.
Thats a top tier title
IMO, Vatira’s ball control and overall defense was more impressive than rise or Joyos play… without Vatira, Rise wouldn’t have had half the goals he had, All 3 are top 10 imo, but vatira was better than either of his teammates… I was there and he just set his team up for almost every play, and only choked at the very end with just a few mistakes…. best player at LAN overall until the last few games against G2, coming from a G2 fan, just saying. We HIGHLY overrate goals per game, and Rises’s GPG don’t erase the fact that Vatira’s control, Defense and playmaking were nearly unstoppable
All 3 TQ players choked at the end, rise made some huge mistakes too. But I agree Vatira's defense is the reason Queso made it this far and if not for the bracket reset they would have won
@@joungjk7203 when I was at LAN, everyone kept wanting to cheer for SSG and Faze, but the way Queso just dominated them was so driven by Vatira… he just finds the perfect way as 3rd to always be positioned correctly for a perfect catch and outplay of 1-2, sometimes 3 players while somehow almost never overcommitting until the last few games of the Grand finals… I can’t stress how crucial that player is and Dominant he was watching it live in person, he was gross lol… all 3 are insane and perfect at their role, and I think are top 4 in spring and at worlds at least, and I’m a G2 fan lol
Lol CJ is spot on with the memes. He should actually try making a serious list sometime. The second best team having all 3 players in the top 5 while the best team only has 1 is fun for the lols but he’s obviously just trolling
1:51 bates sitting so still knowing hes gonna instigate shit😂😂😂
This title is gold 'Most Arguments per Minute World Record | Any%' - here before it gets changed back
CJ- Just wait for Queso at London.
Vatira- Aight Imma head out
Chicago crazy underrated tho the dude carried in comms and went absolutely crazy in the finals
tbh i wish we had more LANs just we would get more of these videos.
roll dizz's list is the best one no lie
Tbates talking about hype and team comms for arsenal but Retals is literally their comms leader
45:08 johny actually predicted the next major finalists kinda crazy
Johnny, next time Tbates tries to say that the MVP can’t be on the losing team, you can speak to him in basketball terms, since apparently that’s his preference. Let him know that Jerry West was the Finals MVP in 1969 for the Lakers, despite them actually losing the finals.
Literally the only player to win it while losing in which he was by far the best player on the court on both teams. Rise was great, but he wasn't by far the best player. They played more games to play which shouldn't necessarily give you any bonuses because you're in Losers bracket
I bet Jhonny got Tbates to just ramp up the debate. That guy had zero defense, hilarious explanations and justification.
I think Johnny's list would have been best if not for the Monkey Moon being so high. They got swept, in the lower bracket, in round 2, by a team that didn't make the semi finals.
There are 18 players left at that point, none of which went on to get swept
Cago, Joyo, Vatira, Yanx, Dan all should be ahead but how tf is Monkey higher than FK? The guy who literally swept him out of the tourney?!
Ruined his list with that one.
Who is the second guy? Dont have him ever again he does not know shit. Send him back to nba
Bro I was just thinking when was the video coming. 1 minute ago its posted lol.
Yumi has a really nice list
Apparently experience matters but inexperience doesn’t? The inconsistencies with some of these arguments have me ROFL
Besides the NRG cope, Tbates’ list is pretty solid
someone needs to let cj know that queso went to game seven every series. For all of them to be in his top 5 list they shouldn't have gone to game 7's every series... OR lost their group.
Shout out Johnny for being the goat
THREEEEEE!!!!!!! At 1:35:35 made me cry laughing 🤣🤣🤣
CJ‘s List starts out spot on, then gradually devolves until it turns into a meme fest. Don’t get me wrong, I love Queso, but his List is just ludicrous.
Immaculate title. Havent seen the vid yet but already know this ones gonna be a banger
That "yeh" at 40:05 with the chuckle is absolute gold. Lmao
CJ has gone from meme takes a year ago to controversial but correct takes today
How explain, tbates was fully right
He's eyeing up that spot on the analyst desk lol
Putting all three queso players top 5 isn't anywhere near a correct take
@@christianswanger123 yes it is Lmao they are insane I’m na but those guys were nuts
Idk about that
I think that metsanauris should be at least an honorable mention he was the only one I saw that really popped off endpoint.
I believe yall vote with every player in the tournament and they then get the most voted on player from the winning team for mvp.
Bates has got to stop smoking weed before they record
QUESO played a phenomenal LAN, but no one talks about how every series they played they came one game away from being eliminated, and I think in London they can't allow themselves to fall behind in series, as that luck may run out at some point.
I wouldn't call it luck, but they find a way to clutch it up even when they're down 2 games in a bo5 or bo7.
clutching several times when it mattered most is luck now?
@@natsuno. yes when it happens in every series you play, clutches were there yes. But to be consistent at the highest level means keeping series from going to game 7’s anything can happen in RLCS especially on a LAN we saw how close SSG got.
@@natsuno. this is coming from an NA guy who was routing for queso out of EU the entire major!
Tbates is right, how do u have an mvp, 2 top 10 teammates and not win? Especially when you don’t give the winning team mvp and also not rank all 3 of them top 10. Biased flawed logic
I kinda dislike the new format of revealing them all at once. I liked it when everyone got a chance to announce it and say why.
Ehh it got better as time went on it definitely saves a bit of time each rank as long as they remember to talk about their picks like they had to reminded to in the first few.
I had such great laughs this entire video, great stuff can't wait to see how wrong y'all predict the top 25 for spring major lmao.
Too reference basketball for dude on left middle Devin booker scored 72 points and his team still lost soo he should know that
Johnny. Johnny Johnny Johnny. G2 and Queso were top 2 by a mile. Hmmmmm. Let me remind everyone how close SSG was to beating TQ. How close Furia came. That’s your top two right there. But you can’t say, “oh they were miles ahead of everyone when Queso nearly lost 3 times. I can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with Bates
They keep mentioning "if" Marc doesnt miss then g2 ain't upper bracket but the legit same thing can be said about the nrg vs queso series "if" garret didnt miss the shot in game 1 or "if" queso doesnt get the game reset then queso dont even make top 8
ye its just johnny coping
@@blk2390 yea was slightly annoying that he kept bring it up when almost every series has a moment where u can say "if" (insert name) did this then...
I watched every series. Atomic was not the most valuable player on g2, it was easily jknaps. And cago outside top 10 is so disrespectful. Same goes for furia, Caio did EVERYTHING for them he’s top 10 over yanx.
Jknaps 100% carried the earlier series, but Atomic is the reason they won the finals.
Tbh you can make an argument almost for all the top 10 to be in top 5. A single series could make someone from 10th to 2nd etc.
JKnaps was criminally ignored by the casters through the event. I think Atomic was better in the final series, but JKnaps made so few mistakes, and so many good plays all event.
as someone who has been watching beastmode and v1 for awhile im happy to see beast be rated so high
I'm sure Bates is a good personality in RL, but this dude spitting out shit that makes zero sense. He claims if 3 players that are all considered top 10 in the league are on the same team, they should dominate and sweep most series. I'll bring basketball up too since Bates did; Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Dennis Rodman in the late 90's never swept the other team in the finals. The argument is not even close to factual. Makes zero sense. Rocket League is very very competitive right now and no way is a team in the finals of a LAN gonna sweep the other team with ease.
"Basketball is my sport if you have 3 top 10 players you're gonna win the championship" what happened to the Lakers with AD, LeBron, and there super team super star line up? Im not even gonna answer bates knows he's dumb ever point he makes is literally just said and not thought about
Tbates is wrong a lot, but when he said Seikoo is better individually then everyone on queso, that was the undeniable truth. Endpoint itself is a very mid tier team, but Seikoo allows it so that he literally Carries them through every damn win! He’s an offensive nuclear force. The likes of Joyo and vatira never reached those levels like Seikoo did this lan. Joyo rise and vatira are all individually very good players so they make a fantastic team, but Seikoo is literally better then all of them but with below average non Lan players lmao
These are so entertaining! I did probs prefer when you guys do your picks live rather than reveal them because its funnier. Vatira was best defender for the Major btw!
I swear, johnny has gotten worse and worse with his EU bias lately. It’s alright to have bias of course, but no one can take it seriously when that’s all you use to make arguments. C9 was definitely more impressive than the L Queso took. One of his worst takes of all time lmao
Monkeymoon is not top25 player of the LAN aswell lol. But queso's run was impressive, especially because they played 4 Bo7 straight when C9 only played 3. It's more fair the old way I believe but whatever.
@@martingarrox5810 monkey was def top 10 in my opinion, maybe not as high as Johnny had him, but somewhere around there. I just can’t argue a more impressive run for queso when they took an L. Relative to the time, the task at hand for C9 compared to Queso was monumental. First world title for NA in a while, and dethroning the winningest team ever seem. They did it in dominant fashion. Queso just took and L to a really good G2 team. NRG, Queso and Sandrock had both been making lower bracket runs all split. In a few months time, Queso’s run definitely won’t even be close to very impressive or memorable at all.
@@martingarrox5810 MM was def a top 25 player lmfao, BDS were trash and his stats were still insane
@@martingarrox5810 LMAO i personally think M0NKEYM00N is slightly overrated when it comes to best player itw lists, however he is WITHOUT A DOUBT top 25 players I've got him 9/8 right between Daniel and Chicago on my own list
top 25 players at LAN* he's around 10-5 in my actual best players itw overall list
Everyone talking about Marc the reason G2 topping the group. What about Queso gifted restart of game against NRG? The only reason the ran the lower bracket
For real marc "gifted" them a win is like me saying garret "gifted" a win to queso in game 1 and "if" queso didnt get the game reset queso dont make top 8
13:26 Wait so the dude on the right thinks that pressure has no impact on performance? Uhhh....
I hope tbates lets other people finish thier thoughts more often. He cuts into belaboring the same point (usually biased towards NA) when other people are speaking and its getting frustrating to contiue listening to. Its fine your biased man but but everyone elsr have a turn please.
NRG just need to learn how to beat EU they are 1-6 vs EU. If they can learn that at the next LAN they will be solid for worlds.
BANGER ALERT
Tbates' whole rant about pressure is so silly lmao
I agree with Tbates on the Queso take. If they had 3 of the top 10 players in the world, they would’ve won.
Let alone 3 of the top 5 😂😂😂
Not even halfway through the vid and Tbates showing indescribable levels of clown opinions, man will say one thing and completely contradict himself the next sentence, it's amazing to watch
So true 🤣
Bates is over the m00n with the seikoo trade
Is it just me or is putting monkeymoon top 5 a horrid take? Seems like they just put him there because he sounds like he's supposed to
Nah, it's because he had a great performance. His teammates had an absolutely terrible showing tho. I can understand where you are coming from tho, but i think it is a completely valid opinion. It depends what criteria u look at. A players individual performance, or how well the team performed. It really all depends on how you look at it, its not objective. It's super subjective.
Monkey moon top 5 is just wrong with his placement he might be top 10 if your lucky
Perfect title
Lmao the title
Johnny is hella biased with his opinions about any European team or player. Its actually starting to get annoying.
Bates is worse about NA teams though 😅
@@jacklafferty6654 lol that is so true
Didn't shock win mvp one major when they didn't win the event or am I trippin
In regards to the team pressure takes and opinions.
Everyone expected NRG to make top 4, while Team Queso should go home happy by doing well in groups and making top 8 in their very first LAN.
Nobody thought this. Most analysts had queso winning the entire event in their predictions
Hey Johnny, I would love to see this same style but meshed with an ESPN "round table" style.
Basically, every topic pops up and they have x amount of time to talk, then they have to move on. I love the long discussions but it would force a point if each pick only have 6 minutes or something.
Watching this back after London shows that Cj is the highest iq here.
Where’s the retals love. The dude balled out.
This came up on my recommended and I got excited thinking they did one for the lan in a week😔
Damn I spoke too soon
Tbates is in his own little world
TBates is very entertaining but my God, his takes are so volatile
TBates is the rocket league Skip Bayless
"Marc's phenomenal hair gave G2 the second life" lmao
I imagine Marc by 8 missing the open net and then fainting and his hair turning black lmfao