5 Popular Tropes I'm Tired of Seeing
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- What are your least favourite tropes?
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0:00 - Intro
0:26 - The Chosen One
0:56 - The Strong Female Character
1:52 - The Tragic Villain
2:41 - Tortured Bad Boys
3:24 - Prophetic Dreams
3:57 - Love Triangles
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"He's in every YA book." I am WHEEZING.
My favorite strong female character is Ripley from Aliens. She is not a soldier, her personality is not the badass, she has no training in fighting or aliens. But when push comes to shove, she becomes the badass and uses what skills she has to overcome what others cannot.
She was originally written to be a man in the script.
It’s the strong mothering role Ripley has towards Newt that actually makes it compelling.
She's a classic example of what she's talking about. A badass--but no real personality, no real development as a character.
@@meggers1771 In Alien, yes. In Aliens, Ripley was already established as female in the previous movie.
Alot of the time it's not neccessarily the trope but when certian tropes are not done correctly they have the potential to not go over so well.
Very true :)
The first trope annoys me, especially when the reason why they're chosen is stupid or random as hell.
I dont have an issue with the Chosen one. just aslong as they don't do two particular taboo's. One being, "OP", "God powered", "Superman". Because then the story is pretty cliche and linear. Two being, A STUPID REASON to why he's the chosen one lol.
@@ALTZIMATE I think it's interesting when there is a lot of detail and reasons why the person was chosen that are extremely in depth to the story and is a deeper part of it than a lot of "Chosen One" stories actually are. As long as it's all sensible and storybuilding, then you can actually create a great book.
It's kind of like Harry Potter but he wasn't necessarily chosen but he was like "The Boy Who Lived" and there's a long ass story behind that (I don't read Harry Potter so sorry if I'm wrong)
I don't really recommend writing this if you are a beginner (like me) and is still learning about book construct and structure and solid plot and stuff like that.
@@xtonibx5770 My point exactly, so I agree 100%. I don't think any of the tropes she said were bad, I just think some other people have used them poorly in the past. Normally the "CHOSEN ONE" is destined to do something, so no matter what happens you know that something will get done no matter what. So because of that, your never really worried for the character. And yes, unless your making some comic book where everything is meant to be cheesy, their should be a reason why he's chosen. Not just, right place right time, or your great great great grand daddy did something and now for some reason you have to finish the job. Like those reasons, are beyond stupid.
I've just always had issues with chosen ones because it creates a lot of Mary Sues, it also doesn't seem like the main character has fully earned their power, growth or success but rather it's just guaranteed for them.
I agree with you on most of these and I try to keep those out of my story except for the dream one, because I have a fantasy race whose culture centers around having dreams that reveal hidden knowledge to them, which can include the future. I also think dreams can be really cool and I have fun making them really abstract and bizarre yet symbolic. David Lynch's work is my biggest inspiration for dream stuff.
I also have a "strong" female character, and by that I mean she CAN be strong sometimes, when it's realistic, but she also has a background and personality that I think makes her more interesting and likable. She has her weaknesses and disappointments along with her awesomeness when the time is right.
Hmm. I haven't thought of tragic villains in that way. I do agree they shouldn't be used to justify, only explain their motives. Personally I like villains where, rather than being tragic, they actually have understandable goals or even good goals, but take the wrong path. In Blade Runner, Roy Batty is a great example, as he just want his friends and himself to live longer than 4 years. The society he lives in treats him as inhuman, as property. So he justifiably lashes out.
"A good villain is a hero in his own eyes."
@@e.claytonrowe4394 or more to the point, Heinlein's corollary: "Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes"
Yeah dreams and strong female characters who are only strong because they were raped by the antagonist is a no go for me. I've read at least 20 novels where the main heroine was a sex slave or otherwise mistreated for just being a woman and that was the main reason why she behaved the way she did. Otherwise great list.
About number 3: I'm all in favour of a well-executed villain redemption arc, but honestly there's something really cathartic about seeing a genuinely horrible excuse for a human being getting a hard-earned comeuppance.
I love the tragic villain, if it's just used to explain how they became the villain. Why are they doing these things? Shades of gray is awsome to me.
Making a tragic villain can actually be black and white.
Disagree on the dreams. Dreams are a big part of life; almost 1/3rd of our time is spent asleep and a lot of it dreaming. i think we learn a lot about our past in dreams. As far as prophetic dreams, yes, that may be overdone, but not dreams about the past.
I agree! Often we learn about our present (or even future) in our dreams. When you have a dream about something and the general interpretation is "You're being faced with a situation you don't want to confront" or whatever, it's your subconscious trying to give you a hint. That's going to seem "prophetic" to a reader, but that's no reason to exclude it from fiction.
Some of the best fiction can come from understanding the character better than they understand themselves - otherwise, there is no _discovery_ .
I agree with the dream stuff. I hate dreams in books. I always roll my eyes when one comes up. But I also love love triangles.
What do you mean by I hate dreams in books? Dreams in general? Or particular dream sequences? I am working on a love triangle book, but I also have a dream scene in it, so Im interested in your thoughts on that.
fuck off personally I hate anything about dreams in books. I hate dream sequences, dream scenes, talking about dreams, etc. I also find it boring in life, too so 🤷🏻♀️
fuck off I'm not her, but I think most people have a problem with a messy vision of futute or of someone else's past. If some one dream about their traumatic past no one gonna say anything.
@@LauraTwoPointO Lol. But that doesn't explain the "WHY" part. What about dreams displeases you so much?
fuck off I find them boring, unnecessary, and they don’t move the plot along
Is this growing? If so, I’m glad! As a book nerd, I need to find out how to write better as well as read better.
Dreams being a premonition is actually really interesting to me. The game Xenoblade Chronicles does this really well. The main character gets visions of the future and he tries to change them and sometimes he fails. The mechanic is also part of the gameplay as well, you foresee an enemy’s attack and have to act accordingly
I believe the "sad villain" thing is called the Freudian excuse.
Loved your video as always!
In my opinion, the only example I can give of a book starting with a dream sequence and doing it well was Sea Of Monsters. It was done in a way that did pull you in what would've otherwise been a more dull part of the book used as an excuse to drop a lot of exposition which is why I normally don't like dreams either
Although I used to like it, I now despise the antihero trope. A really long time ago it might have been edgy, but I’m finding myself being drawn back to classic heroes: Superman, Luke Skywalker, Black Panther, Wonder Woman etc... where both their actions and motives are honorable and they have integrity.
in my novel the protagonist is "the chosen one," not by fate, but by someone in a high position of power who speculates (and hopes) this character is up to the task, almost solely because of his parentage. does that seem like a good way to present that trope? the protagonist will die as well; i'm trying my hardest to avoid giving my MCs plot armor.
I know this was three years ago, so you may not even care for feedback anymore, but as long as it's well telegraphed that the "chosen one" title isn't from a reliable narrator.
I remember the Nerevarine Prophecy in the game Morrowind being a really good one because of how well established it was that not everyone was even on the same page about it as a prophecy, and the reasons everyone had for believing/disbelieving, supporting or opposing it. Yours sounds a bit different to that, but that was just an example that came to mind of an actually good "chosen one" plot.
I hate it when authors write about characters having whole conversations with just looks. I don't know, I guess I think it's stupid and unrealistic.
I have no idea what you mean by this. What do you mean by "Looks"?
@@ALTZIMATE I mean when characters just look at each other without saying anything but somehow have conversations with just facial expressions.
KaylanMidna HD There"s such a thing. Unless they read minds... can't think of something like this
@@twilightsaika196 lol. I've never seen that XD But it sounds hilariously bad already. I mean using a facial expression or gesture to replace a dialogue is fine, but that's litteraly should be for like one time. But a whole conversation???? Im just trying to imagine it right now and I can't stop laughing.
@@ALTZIMATE Yeah, exactly! I can't name a specific example, but I know I've seen it before.
I'm new to Reedsy and am really enjoying the videos. I would, however, like to find out more about the presenters' back stories. Perhaps you could do a video on yourself. Thanks.
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Tragic villains are often a successful trope because they can be _relatable_ . If the same backstory would drive a _hero's_ actions, the shoe can fit on the other foot. If you can say "If that was my life/upbringing/circumstances, I might do that too" then the villain's not just a pell for the hero to joust upon.
As for prophetic dreams? Sometimes a dream is just a dream - but the reason dream interpretation exists in real life is because dreams are often a way for us to understand a part of ourselves or our personalities that we may not be ready to consciously confront. So it can be used as a means for a character to understand something about themselves.
Started reading the Hunger Games. The series is amazing out from the love triangle. I'm a male, which is worse. It's irritating.
‘Every triangle is a love triangle when you love triangles’ - James Acaster
I’m a new viewer. Really liked what you had to say. I was especially interested in “subverting the Chosen One trope.” Is that like in the Matrix, when the Oracle tells Neo he isn’t the one, but then he does it anyways... and then a decade later people say he really WASN’T the one-that Agent Smith was the one? Or do you mean The Chosen One isn’t going to save the world but destroy it thing? Or do you mean something else entirely? You’ve really got me thinking. Like Mega Mind being the villain, but saving the world. Or Lucifer not wanting to rule Hell any longer and moving to Miami to flirt with... well, everyone. Frodo being too weak to destroy the ring, so Sam has to do it. Or like most of the heroes in Game of Thrones who you see stand strong and then get their throats slashed/skull crushed/fatally penetrated by a shadow-thingy/eyes gouged out and skull crushed/soul sucked out/stabbed/poisoned or just beheaded ( sorry Ned)???
Bro, your all over the place. I don't think she meant all of that. It's was the general principle of being the Chosen one lol. Im not sure why your confused about that.
What makes me roll my eyes is the fictional fortune teller, who is invariably accurate. Unlike real fortune tellers... And those detective stories where the sleuth is investigating two separate cases, then discovers - they are linked! I bet that NEVER happens in real life.
I once ended a short story with a prophetic dream. That's why it was a short story
What if instead it is a chosen family? Doesn't matter which member of the family completes the task because it's their DNA that's important.
Sounds like an interesting subversion!
I'm so tired of the will they/won't they trope.
They will, then the story will end.
There CAN be other relationships between male and female characters-siblings, parent/child, friends (yes that's a thing), workplace rivalry etc.
I disagree with the dream stuff. A dream does not have to be used in the way you described in the video. A dream could be used to motivate and develop a character, or could be used in worldbuilding cultures that have kinship systems and other aspects of culture dependent upon the having and analysis of dreams.
I'll admit they're a personal pet peeve of mine but there are certainly ways to do anything well :D
A strong female character is not actually a strong female character if you have to mention being a strong female character.
I do hate love triangles because they are a save way of ruining three characters at once. True love doesn't slip into or come out of love triangles. If you love someone there can be no third person. If cannot decide between two love interests, none of them is right one. If a love triangle makes sense anywhere it's when it's less about love but more about vanity and possession with all three characters involved being evil. A love triangle among three villains that the hero can use to trick them into foolish behavior would be one way I could accept this trope.
Strong female characters are good but if your strong female character sucks then the strong female character begins to seem more like a cheep gimmick to draw readers in than anything else.
i dont see how sad backstories for antagonists are bad even if its cliche, so long as they take responsibility and try to right their wrongs.
my tits I think it stands against amothee trope: the cartoonish villain
Actually I agree with you half way. I dont feel they have to take responsibility and right their wrongs at all. Because most of the time, Being the HERO is subjective. Because some villains dont see themselves as the villain. And often, in MANY stories and moves and so forth, the world see's the vigilante just as evil as the people the vigilante is trying to stop.
It's about repetition and the cliche being pulled to redeem characters who obviously crossed the line, you can excuse a bully, but you can't excuse a rapist just because he has a sob story.
Yes! The torchered guy! OMG! I can't... Just pages and pages of puking pout speeches...
Purposefully made it a point to stress my MC is not a chosen one or particularly special. Another character even tells her she is not special.
I love a relatable villain. It’s the best type of villain.
Everyone who has ever made a horrible decision has done it from a place they believe it is justified. If the antagonist is just “bad” because that’s who he is, that’s a very 2d/flat/shallow/boring character.
I do agree with the tortured/ emo character, but only if there is no character development.
As long as a love triangle has one point chopped off at the end I’m all for it.
I somewhat disagree with the "sad villain" complaint. Because everyone is the product of:
Their birth, and:
Their upbringing/environment
I feel backstories should be based round that (same for heroes, btw)
Facts. I agree 100% Which is why I left the comment I did up above.
I like a good backstory, I just meant it feels unrealistic when a sad backstory is trying to justify bad actions, since it's not a mindset we ran really apply to real life. But interesting (and even sad) backstories for villains can be great, if anything an interesting backstory is key.
@@Reedsy Imma need you to put more specific on what you mean by Justifying though. Like Just because they have a "reason" to why they made the decision they made, doesn't mean they're seeking your approval or indicating justification. Its often just a back story so you know why they're doing what they're doing. So maybe if you have an example of this, can you call the book out by name or, a movie or something? So We have an example to base these points on?
@@Reedsy I don't agree here. I think people make bad choices and do bad things in everyday life, not because they are bad people, but because we don't agree with them. The divisiveness and partisanism of our times comes from people being unable to understand that the same motivations can lead to different choices and that is _absolutely_ their justification.
The alternative is a villain who does evil for its own sake, and that kind of villain is a cardboard cutout.
@@Reedsy This brings to mind Phantom of the Opera, which is really a tragic love story.
i totally agree!
tbh i like love triangles and sad villains :D
I think they're both good, but I have seen them both done poorly in the past. It all depends on the author.
Do you know if any love triangles with (sad) villains?
That might work.
Women love the love triangles. For them nothing's better than 2 guys competing over a female's attention, or two females competing over the high status male for attention. See real life for examples
The strong female trope is not bad it's just that when the strong female trope is done badly it tends to go really badly and I actually think that when this trope is done correctly then it can actaully work extremely well.
One of my least favorite tropes is of a boy scout kung fu expert who is so wonderful you can't stand it. I don't mind it if the character is filled out and has aspects that are interesting outside his bad ass role. I liked "Cinderella Man". You cheered for him because he was a great guy, and he had to deal with conflicts a lot of people have to face in daily, outside the ring. His pain is understated, rather than smeared all over the screen in an effort to make you feel sorry for him. I liked Mickey Ruark in "The Wrestler". He is a bad ass, but he is kind of lost in life. His problems are largely of his own making, but he still manages to be a sympathetic character. I don't like movies that wallow in pity for this poor, misbegotten bad ass, like Mel Gibson in "Lethal Weapon", or Val Kilmer in "Tombstone". This character is very popular. People love to see him. He makes LOTS of money at the box office. "Lethal Weapon" got some good reviews in the box office, but I read a scathing review of this movie in a nationwide news magazine that depicted the way I felt about it.
Love triangle. Uh-huh. Story Grid implies that for a courtship love story, 'You must have a rival character!' They are adamant about that. 'Pride and Prejudice has one, so every love story must have one!'
That's a great story by a great author, but why it's great is bc of a number of things, and a rival character might be necessary for some stories, but IMHO, there's much more than that to that great story or any great story, to the point where maybe it's really not always all that important to have your story mimic one of the greats all that closely. Especially one that's 200 years old.
I rejected the idea out of hand. It just felt too worn and tired, and I saw that as something that would only get needlessly in the way of the story I wanted to tell.
What I did instead is I created a number of 'imagined' rivals, meaning there are moments where lover #1 or lover #2 get jealous of someone without an actual reason to (the other lover isn't actually interested in the imagined rivals, but they-and at first the reader-are not sure if they are or not), and react accordingly. (That happens in real life all the time.) I even had two friends, male and female, conspire to try to make the two people who they were each in love with, see them 'faux flirting', which was done only to keep the others on their toes. Hey, it worked.
Why the example? I think the takeaway here is to ask 'Just exactly why is it that I need this?' 'What will this trope (convention, in this case), really bring to my story?' and 'Are there better, maybe more creative and unique ways to accomplish what this is supposed to accomplish?' Often, there are.
Tragic villains? I think the idea here is to add something that will make a villain more than just a 'black hat'. I also think this approach is typically not all that effective (and there are plenty of other ways to add depth to a villain other than trying to squeeze empathy for them from the reader). To me, the 'tragic villain' concept is just phoning it in.
And in 1st-P, it's really difficult to give any villain any sort of 'redeeming qualities', too. We only see them through the POV of the MC/narrator, who really is not at all interested in pondering whatever redeeming qualities a villain intent on murdering them or their loved ones might have. All that POV can see is really going to be nothing more than the black hat, which makes sense.
Is Shaelin the only woman on the planet that thinks Mr. Darcy is lame?
I think I'm in love. 😁💗
I really hate those literal child of the god himself, the purest soul on the planet with a heart made of thin ice Y/Ns in romance fanfiction. They don't have an ounce of character development.
Another thing about the Chosen One trope that I find irritating is when the character is pathetic and pretty much stays that way. I've noticed this whole concept is based around them but they don't amount to anything close to their purpose. Plus, they're whiny.
As for the dreams trope...I'm on the fence. Using them as a prophetic device can certainly be redundant. However, I'm biased! 🤷🏾
Because I love dreams in general and for foreshadowing purposes or not, when it's just to terrorize the character. Okay, that's a nightmare but same difference.
I used a dream as a form of recollection once, not a flashback but it's a long forgotten memory that they can't remember if it happened in actuality and it's resurfacing in fragments. Idk, I guess it's all subjective cause I don't really think most audiences find these annoying. Just us writers.
How would you make the 'Chosen One' subverted?
Konita Sasraku Make him not save the day.(evil laugh) You can find an interesting video about the cocept by overly sacratic production, where they give more than one kind. One kind of them ia chosen by a person rather by fate.
I've always wanted to write something wherein there's a group of people who have to fight or whatever, and the winner/last one standing is the chosen one. Also, send a group of people on a quest of some sort and whoever comes back alive is the chosen one. But my favorite dynamic is from Corvid Prompts, and it's somewhere along the lines of a teenager telling the villain that they're the chosen one and they can't win so just give up now, blah blah blah blah blah, and then the villain says "you're the fifth chosen one they've sent down."
@@augusthawley5504 That actually is a terrible reason to be the Chosen one.
Make them choose themselves (kinda makes them the antagonist for the first act, I guess, when they elbow others out the way)
Or make them be chosen for an honorable suicide mission.
Picture how the Kamikaze pilot that chickened out, got the cold treatment by his own mother/father/wife/(brainwashed) children, because by chickening out, they brought shame upon the family.
@@augusthawley5504 I think the moment you are chosen for your skills, epsecially if it's a competitiom, you're not a chosen one. Chosen is something someone\something else chooses.
I like to say every villain has a reason, not an excuse but a reason, your past dose not excuse your actions because you could have done better and be a better person. I know many heros who have tragic backstories just like a villain. It's how the person chooses to live up to their actions and past that make them a hero or villain.im not saying that tragic backstories are bad, I love them, they explain stuff, I just don't like it when it's used as an excuse, I like the type of villains that make you question whether they really are a villain same thing with the hero, make me question if it really is a hero. WAIT, I need to see a story where the villain is really the hero and the hero really is the villin. Or if the hero and villain really are nether, if you think about it, in real life there is no pure good guy or absolutely bad guy. That's what I'm doing in my story, it's hard to explain, you'd understand it once I get the book out there.
It's a good thing you hate "The Chosen One" trope. My aim in Drift is to subvert the trope with a reluctant prophet, an academic who thinks that the artificial intelligence that chose him is malfunctioning.
Thank You. Dream sequences I feel can belong in historical and mythological fiction. I'm tired of the fantasy vampire tropes personally.
I disagree with you and her. Because Dreams can work in "ANY" book :/
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Possibly already done else where, how about a list of likes?
worst trope in the world everyone agrees with: misunderstanding. If you're conflict can be completely resolved with one conversation by your main characters its neither strong nor interesting.
As far as the strong female character I understand why you would want strong female characters but if you have a dull female character who has hardly any personality than there not even worth emotionally investing in.
I hate this one trope, don't know the name. I guess you could call it "Schroedinger's crazy person." It's the one seen in far too many scifi and fantasy series where something happens to make the character -- usually the main character -- face an enemy that tries to make them think everything they've done in their life for the duration of the series (monster hunting, being a captain of a space station, or whatever) was all an elaborate delusion and now they're starting to suffer a bout of sanity. It's basically advanced, supernatural/high-tech gaslighting. I'm not talking about making a character question what's real or not in general, but specifically the sub-trope where one of the options is that they're in a mental institution.
Though on a related note, I do get a bit twitchy about the more general "struggling with what's real and what's not" trope as well. I prefer to avoid it, but I will admit I've used it a couple times in my writing. Technically it was paranormal gaslighting, but I didn't make one of the options be a mental institution.
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THE BEST LOVE TRIANGLE EVER!😘
Wait is this Shalien’s other channel?
Reedsy is more like a community channel not exclusive to Shalien although she does seem to post the majority of the content here. If you go to their youtube's about page it says "We produce videos" indicating the presence of a team.
@@rodproducts also this is the channel she works for, if I'm correct.
@@augusthawley5504 Correct.
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The only chosen one I know or is HP.
Agree with you that the chosen one could be subverted and that would be much more interesting. Dream foreshadowing is so cliche in fantasy that I try not to add dream (just occasional backstory). The sad villain thing sometimes work, goes well with the plot. But most of the time It's just bad case of appeal to pity. Reminds me of the terrible arguments when I said, 'this is an asshole and needs to be behind bar.' and someone would always say, 'but but but before you say he is criminal, you need to know why he is criminal.' And then goes on to describe sad backstory of the badass. Very difficult not to punch in the face.
And the love triangle...I prefer complexity in relation than a perfect triangle.
I hate the "it was all a dream" trope.
but inception did it amazin' but I think it might be the only one
Ugh. I’m writing about ever trope you hate. Time for a rewrite
mrplatink you don't have to! if Shaelin doesn't personally like them, it doesn't mean that they're fundamentally bad! it's her opinion, after all. it's worth looking at her reasons for disliking them, though.
dont!
Write about whatever you like, just think if there's a way to improve it
lmao, im sure your totally joking. Because your story must be all over the fucking place if you have every trope she mentioned in your story.
Or you could write such a great novel, that it "breaks out of the tropes."
#4, you mean the edge lord?
You must hate Divergent lol
Someone watched here a lot of animes.
Keep strong. Dont forget that despite the struggles and madness in this world today, God is full of justice, mercy and love.
Justice said we broke His perfect law - causing the world's previous perfection to be
destroyed - and therefore we deserve Hell (like a punishment in any legal system but this is eternal as His perfect law is eternal too). Don't think you fit in that category? Ever done one of these?: lying, stealing - regardless of how small the object EVER, hating others - which is murder in God's perfect law, lusting (plus God sees our entire thought life). Justice says "the soul that sins shall die" - if we break one in thought/word/deed it's as if we're guilty of all of them. Quite simply, living by the law (which is doing everything perfectly) is impossible for sinful humans
. The law shows us that 1. We will die in Hell if we fail to follow it and 2. We cannot save ourselves BUT, 3. God's perfect, immovable law points us to Christ, who followed and fulfilled the law in thought, word and deed perfectly in our place. He did what we couldn't and did it on our behalf. He was then sentenced to death on a cross, and took our personal punishment for our sin, paying our penalty (like paying our fine) completely FOR us, and has given us freedom.
If we turn from the sins we have committed and repent (pursue the opposite direction of love through Christ) He will, overtime, recreate us back into that previously perfect image through The Holy Spirit which Jesus sends to all who accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior of their life. He will help us through the struggle, the stress, and anything we experience in the world. It's about letting Christ in to guide and teach you and obeying Him through His power (not ourselves, we need Him to help us as it's impossible without depending on His power and instruction).
He is our substitute in His life, death and resurrection. He essentially rewrote history in our place so that, if you believe in Him, it will be as if you had never sinned if you accept Christ's death as our own in our place.
He is in Heaven right now preparing a place for us so that He can take His faithful, believing children home with Him when He returns. He will ressurrect us from death when He returns, giving mercy to those who accept His love, instruction and teachings in their life, and give justice to those who refuse it.
He doesn't want ANY of us to go to Hell and die for continuing in evil and rejecting His way to life, thats why He died FOR us. Hes giving EVERYONE a chance, He wants everyone to take the free gift of salvation from Hell. He wants us to be His and begin to follow His life of love and service through His power and abiding (staying) with Him. So long as we keep our hearts near to Christ through His strength, strive to follow His will of perfect love revealed in the Bible, and let Him lead in the midst of (very certain) pitfalls and struggles, we will, in time, win the ultimate victory over sin, pain and DEATH through Christ. Even if you are willing to be made willing, pray for Jesus to come in and He will do what we can't. Give us The Holy Spirit who will guide us in the right way.
Christ says in John 16:33: I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace. In the world you have tribulation and distress and suffering, but be courageous [be confident, be undaunted, be filled with joy]; I have overcome the world.” [My conquest is accomplished, My victory abiding.]
- (AMPLIFIED version)
NOTE: You are NEVER too sinful or messed up that God cannot turn your life around through Jesus. EVER. Regardless of what you've done or what you're going through you CAN make it through Jesus.
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So you hate Star Wars? I think everyone of those tropes are in Star Wars.
Trope #2- Tanith Low in Skullduggery Pleasant. She is sooooo boring.
My absolute least favorite trope is when the story blatantly sides with one political side without giving the opposite viewpoint a chance. Bioware has done this on occasion (heck, it's one of the reason _Mass Effect: Andromeda_ failed so epically, not to mention the way it hammers transgender pronouns into your head with the background announcer not unlike North Korea hammering its agenda onto its people with loudspeakers) and about four years ago on _Once Upon a Time,_ the writers shoehorned a same-sex kissing scene. It was obviously forced because (1) it had previously shown a main character kiss her son on the forehead, (2) Dorothy and Robin Hood immediately upgraded to couple status despite barely knowing each other beforehand, and (3) everyone uncharacteristically started grinning, eliminating all free will on how to feel about the scene (specifically, the scene _commanded_ you feel a certain way!)!
I hate the trope of using the word trope
I felt a little attacked here, haha, just kidding! The book I am developing has the tragic villain, BUT the villain is the only one who think this excuses his actions. I also has the broody guy, that's my main character, and he has a tragic backstory. But he isn't standing in a corner and smoking, he just doesn't like people anymore and would rather stay with his animals in the wood where he lives. And I use the dreams, KIND OF. The two main characters happens to be reincarnations of a former royal couple who started the war that the entire book is centered on, like they started it and will therefore end it, and they get flashbacks and dreams related to it and them.
interhigh ugh
i dont agree w the dream trope, watch a David Lynch film
I hate forced romantic subplots. If it doesn't sound realistic, I would drop the damn book.
What about a love triangle between 1 man and two women; and despite the man having sex with them both off-and-on, the two still fight for his love?
I remember this one movie (forgot what it was called) but theres these three women who get played by this one guy so instead of fighting for his love they team up to get payback.
Jamie Brolga Kaladin I remember the movie, but not the name.
I'd pass this kind of story.
@@jeoenriquez7151 What about a love triangle between 1 woman and two men; and despite the woman having sex with them both off-and-on, the two still fight for her love?
@@AxleBoost must have a pretty forgettable movie name. LoL
I'm a tortured bad boy
Very one dimensional
But I don't smoke
So maybe that adds some element of mystery to my personality
By the way, there are no particular tropes that I don't like, I don't generally read fiction, but I very much dislike the word "trope"
Wtf
Young lady, how old are you? You haven't been around the block yet. There's a whole other life out there besides books. Live in it for a while. Otherwise, you'll end up like the crazy cat lady, who lives down the street from me.
Is this a joke (if it is feel free to ignore this reply)? Because 1) this RUclips channel provides some people with *jobs*. 2) why are you watching reading/writing videos if the real world is so much better than reading/writing? Get a life. 3) some people get enjoyment out of it, so please lay off.
@@augusthawley5504 Never mind what I do. I'll watch and judge whatever I want jackass.
lol.... wait what??? Why do you think her entire life revolves around books? I'm so confused. Because she's an author and has a channel marketing herself and her work, she doesn't have a life outside of.... books? Is that what your getting at?
Well, you don't need to harass people for doing and talking about what they like and love to do. It's slightly annoying, very unnecessary, and a little hateful. These videos are also, need I remind you, her JOB to make (and even if they weren't, literally just leave her alone?). There are far worse things on the internet for you to "watch and judge" than an innocent video for a completely different viewing demographic than you. She and many of her followers/fans/subscribers are writers who've accomplished the feat of writing a novel or perhaps several. Most of her viewers who haven't have an overall goal to do so. And it may seem like I'm overreacting to this a bit (and maybe I am, who knows), but I'm getting real sick and tired of gen X's and baby boomers hopping on in to the online writing community that they aren't a part of and then telling us what we should and should not do with our time simply because you're older and we "haven't been around the block yet". Leave people alone.
@@augusthawley5504 Your wasting your breath with this guy. He has the nerve to call someone a jackass when he's the one talking out his ass. What he said was beyond dumb, and nothing short of an idiotic assumption. In other words, he's trolling because he doesn't have anything going for himself other than his nonprofitable hate comments.
yea so um... alot of these are subjective, but I'm sure that's the point of the video; to be subjective. But I just feel like, because it is so debatable it should have been a debate video rather than you being so one sided. Just a thought. (Thats why I down voted)
Mind sharing which one/s you disagree with and why?
@@rodproducts Sure, though I don't know how I'd summarize my debate for a comment section but I'll try lol. First thing I'd debate about is, Dream sequences. Reedsy kinda went into several different types of dreams, but then just landed on not liking dreams at all when saying "Im just not a fan of dream sequences".
Now she did give several reasons to why that was, however, I am currently editing my finished manuscript that I personally put a dream sequence in. So basically, I guess you can say Im a victim of this trope. But I did hesitate on putting it into my fictional story, but obviously, I landed on doing so anyway. But back to the point I was making; the reason why dreams are such a cool element in a story, is because you can now BEND THE WORLD. Things that were not once possible in your story, due to the realism of your world can now be accessed. (Think INCEPTION). This makes for really cool scenes that without it wouldn’t be possible.
Also, dreams is a good way to show the complexity of your character. What I mean by this is, even if your story is all the way FIRST PERSON, and you know the characters every thought, passion and goal and what they are against. A dream can expose them for being in denial.
You can also make a character see a different point of view, in a short but sweet dramatic fashion. Or even have them face problems they never thought possible. Alot of writers misuse the power a dream sequence can actually do, but when you really put that power to it's best use I think it can be one of the highest points in your story. And lastly, I want to touch on one element Reedsy said, and that was using a dream to prophesize.
Now, this is a cool element too but one that I feel, is a double-sided sword because you can end up spoiling your own story. But my take on this is, every dream should have a MEANING. prophesizing is the most basic and cliche meaning to a dream I admit, but still. It can be used extraordinarily. An easy way to do this, is by not making the premonition so obvious. Use it to create an element of mystery, or something to be figured out.
Also Like Reedsy said, dreams are pretty much a SAFE ZONE. The character often is in no real danger, and because of that readers and listeners do infact tune out. But here's a tip, dont make it obvious to the reader that it's a dream until the moment the character wakes up; OR here's a twist, what if the character was ACTUALLY IN DANGER? Again, think back to what I said earlier. In a dream, YOU CAN BEND THE WORLD; so you could make that possible. (Again, think INCEPTION). This is a hit or miss technique because if done wrong you just killed a potentially great story. But if done correctly, that might be your best chapter. Those are all reasons to why I think Dream sequences do work in stories.
@Reedsy Now lets argue :)
Randy besau I think the problem with most dreams they're so vague that it's annoying. Also, if it a prophecy dream one should ask why they have it. Cause normal people don't have them
@@ALTZIMATE I agree, I can understand why some aren't a fan of dreams especially when overused but if the dream can shed some light on some of the mc's problems then it's a great tool IMO. And 100% don't let the reader know its a dream absolute waste.. I mean I personally hint it to an extent
@@sharonefee1426 Exactly. But I do think most if not all of the tropes Reedsy said aren't bad, it's just most writers use them so poorly that it's annoying. Most times, "Dreams" come across as ONE BIG FILLER. It holds no significant weight, it's a tad bit on the boring side, feels stupid, and could have been left out of the story. But just because someone else did a sh*tty job making a dream, shouldn't stop anyone else from trying it for themselves.
STOP BEING AN AD
At times, your vocal fry makes you difficult to understand.
Avoid those tropes. Problem solved. Let's not raise a stink on the internet, eh? Especially getting your opinion advertised. Let people enjoy things.
I like to think that my female characters are strong, but I feel you with the SFC. What I do is I try to avoid giving my characters, ANY characters, traits which, if they were present in a man, would be called "toxic masculinity." If it's toxic in a man, it's toxic in a woman. And I can assure you that she doesn't say "just because I'm a woman" every third sentence.
I don't think I've done a Chosen One to date, and probably won't. I've done some version of dreams, but not exactly prophetic dreams. I've done sorta-kinda love triangles, but again, not exactly. I don't like brooding bad boys either, and I don't think I've done a tragic sad villain so far.
These characteristics make one an #$$@!, so yeah, I might give them to a character who's supposed to be an #$$@!.