@@i_c_e_555 they didn’t say anything in regards to the man because that’s a given that he gets no respect but for her to be crying like she was the victim is crazy!
@@tennisstar2011 unfortunately it isnt a given...many people...look down on the side chick while giving the actual cheater a pass. It's actually common....
Agreed but remember they come from a different generation then what we do nowadays. He was a pastor of a church so putting up appearances was more important.
@@jrabbt7463 exactly. Totally different time. And Evelyn has shown how mean spirited she can be. I'm surprised that she herself used to Counsel Women about Life
@@Msladyrae92No they weren’t. The parents divorced in 2000, or it was finalised. He was with her for 9 years, so either 1990 or 1991 at the latest. So while this was going on, Towanda would have been between 16-18, Trina would have been between 15-17, and Tamar would have been between 12-14 when it started. And she wasn’t the only or possibly first one he was with.
@@Msladyrae92 choosing not to come to your daughters wedding cause she said you couldn’t bring your wife on behalf of their mothers feelings , like come on now you can’t be serious it’s like he trying to force them to like her or be in her presence when they damn sure don’t have to , and have made that clear , so basically fuck your kids cause they don’t want your wife around and the wife ain’t even trying to come around so why the fuck is he trying to force it .
I'm floored how they're still blaming her for him not being there for them. He's the adulterer, he's father/husband that betrayed his family. A grown man that made his own decisions. Can't believe grown women who've lived life, had relationships and kids... Yet they blaming the other woman for their fathers absence. He even said at the dinner, that she said "go be with your children" yet he chose not to.
@@prettybrowneyes7481 It wasn’t until then they knew and stopped blaming her. they don’t blame her, they just don’t deal with her. They’re cordial because that’s the only way they’ll be able to have him in their lives. I would have cut him for good..His relationship with his kids is between them. Him involving his trick is evil and unnecessary.
He chose happiness baby girl. He has a right to be happy and not be with Evelyn's toxic ass. And he is still in his children life, who said that he isn't, I'm confused on the lie that you are putting out.
No she wasn’t. She was a byproduct of the problem. Both Evelyn and Michael admitted on several occasions that they were having problems in their marriage before Wanda. Michael said that Wanda gave him an escape from Evelyn’s behavior… I’m assuming he meant on an emotional level. And as anyone will tell you, when you are unhappy in your relationship, you will eventually gravitate to the person who puts their hands out to you and is there for you. So eventually Michael and Wanda’s relationship went from emotional intimacy to physically intimacy. After seeing Evelyn’s behavior throughout the season and then her behavior on the Iyanla episode in addition to what Trina said in her own episode on Iyanla, I believe Evelyn truly drove him crazy
@@JLPerryTV That's no excuse for carrying on a 9 year affair though, especially considering Wanda was someone the Braxtons knew from their CHURCH, for Pete sake. Michael was a MINISTER who slept with 1 of his churchgoers behind his WIFE'S back for NINE YEARS and Wanda knew he was married and kept being his 9 year mistress. IDC how Evelyn was. Michael had the choice to leave, for his own peace of mind, but he chose to stay and cheat. That's low down and ungodly to do, especially for a MINISTER.
Yeah that lien always got him it’s like o knew one of them wouldn’t be with us but I didn’t think it would be Traci the poor family experienced too much death in the family.
Wanda very sensitive but she kept him away from his kids for 8 years 😢 cry about THAT if you gone cry about something!!!! I know ppl gone say it was his choice‼️ but honestly I couldn’t be with a man who don’t give a poot about his own kids!!!!’😮
This.. do they not realize it’s worse to stay away from the kids.. and what kids don’t want to see their father.. he felt guilty , it’s disgusting and weak of him to put it on his children , how the hell would you know how they each felt when you didn’t even make it your duty to have an understanding.. pure BS
You do understand how their mother reacted to the girls maintaining any ties with their Dad right?? Traci literally stayed in Maryland to stay close to her Dad and her tyrant of a mother isolated her as a result.
Listen what Pop Braxton did was inexcusable stepping out on his marriage. But you also have to face the repercussions as the other woman AND FOR 9 years he had this affair with you. Then you marry 30 days after the divorce. You can’t whine and be upset you caused someone pain when you were the catalyst to it. Don’t play victim! With that said, both sides of family wrong. From the mom to the kids to the mistress turned wife.
EXACTLY! She up there crying like she hasnt done ANYTHING wrong...i could understand if he cheated and married a woman whom his wife and children didnt know,BUT she was a friend of the family! She deserves to feel guilty for the rest of her life.. NO REAL WOMAN WOULD HAVE DONE WHAT SHE DID..so no,she gets no sympathy..🤷♀️🙄🤦♀️ Those were tears of GUILT deep down inside and she knows it...i want to also add that Momma Braxton has every RIGHT not wanting anything to do with PaPa Braxton and Wanda...that doesnt make her bitter at all!
EXACTLY , Mann you dont get the privileges of leaving a women with 5 whole humans to raise alone and live in peace after pulling that bs. I’m sorry but NO 😂that was some messed up stuff.
What did the mom and children do wrong? He openly admitted the HE chose not to go around his own children. They said multiple times they’d call and he wouldn’t answer, they’d tell him they were in town he wouldn’t respond, in the first season they invited him out twice when they were in town and he didn’t show up. He and his current wife were completely wrong in that entire situation.
As a single woman I have never got in a relationship with a married man. She knew he was married. She went to parties etc but now want to play the victim. She had a whole azzz affair with him for 9 years but she feel she wasn't apart of the problem.
Michael and Wanda are both deplorable, to me. Wanda knew Michael was married, yet she remained his mistress for NINE YEARS. She even went to the same church as the Braxtons and she knew Evelyn. Michael refused to leave Evelyn, but instead kept another woman on the side for NINE YEARS. They're both low down people! Wanda knows good and goddamn well she's apart of the pain. You were a married man's side chick for 9 years and married him A MONTH after he left his wife, which you'd lowkey been begging for him to do. UGH.
@@callyodmedia2 What's even worst is Wanda was up in the Braxton household, too, even around the kids. Evelyn didn't even know the side chick was in her own home!
Wow and I started to feel bad for Wanda cause I know men dont tell everything but damn not a mistress for 9 years and been around the family knowing you messing with the married pastor smh I didnt know that much of that situation
@@calmb4thestorm370 She was even up in the Braxton's house, around the kids, too. It just gets more & more trifling with each revealed detail. The mistress was in their church, in their home & messing with the MINISTER. Like, what the HELL?! Wanda is revolting & Michael Braxton is low down to the ground!
@@xiamariansupreme72 whew!..that’s some cold blooded mess..that’s why I’m not quick to call somebody a friend because they’re the ones that do all the backstabbing.
@@j.kirkpatrick1919 Toni has plenty drama, she just doesn’t share…believe that. Anyone who has filed bankruptcy twice, had a divorce, sued a record label, and other things, she’s lived a life, she just has the maturity to handle it with grace and modesty.
Daddy is the problem. He manipulated all of the women in his life including his daughters. Ms.e is at fault for transferring her bitterness to her daughters instead of seeking out strength to forgive. It’s sad that in their 40s these women just then realized that their dad is just another man.
@@deemc1198 thank you, darling. At first, I thought it was me. I checked my initial comment again and sure enough I placed a time stamp on why I thought Miss E and the other sisters treated Traci differently. I’m sure Miss E expected Traci to resent and feel a way about Wanda and Traci did not do that. Out of her own mouth, she said, “that’s my father’s wife and I’m gonna respect her…”. The other sisters didn’t have a rapport with Wanda like Traci did. This is also evident when Trina got married. At the wedding, Traci was sitting with and conversing with Wanda. So, I don’t know how Lisa Jones “got lost in the loop” 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@FrozenRemix1 no problem love. U know some people be on these apps just to say silly stuff🤦🏾♀️. Sad people read but can’t comprehend now days. I see it a lot
Wanda knew that’s the fucked up part she knew he had a family so those tears are from guilt and she should feel guilty but at the same time actions are permanent so you have to forgive yourself and do the work to get those girls to forgive and heal with you .
It’s a little different. Traci made that pretty much her whole identity, and took every transgression as an opportunity to add to her narrative. This man’s actions dismantled their childhood and sense of being, and it took 10 years after the divorce to even begin to discuss what happened, and they seemingly let it go, Traci never did.
I remember Season 1 when he said "If you keep hitting that sore it will never heal" and she said "Sore? please this man ripped my heart out" I felt that. She was with the same man since the 10th grade for 35 years and bore 6 babies thats a loooooooong time to love somebody.
@@Lbree1077 Exactly! Plus the side chick of 10 yrs became the wife. If he had cheated, and later married a woman who wasn't involved in the demise of his marriage. I think they all would've moved on passed it smoother.
Just like Toni said regardless of whatever I’m not beating down my dad ... I’m not excusing his cheating but their mother gotta admit that she played and still plays a part in the deterioration of their family !
Ms. Evelyn did a grave disservice to her daughters. She gave them anger, confusion, strife, and manipulation. She allowed her feelings as the wife of an adulterer, to be transferred and taken on by her children, in her own effort to be the victim and to have the support. He cheated on his wife, not his children. He failed as a husband, but where he went wrong was allowing his guilt, hurt and shame, make him fail as a father. Where the mother failed was when she encouraged and basically reveled in that divide.
Tamar has a right to feel whatever way she wants. She was the youngest when all of this stuff took place so it probably affected her more. You have to go through that process to understand it and I have.
What I dont get is when the side piece gets the man and has ti sit by and watch the difficult times with his kids, feeling left out by his children ect why act surprised?!!! Comes with the exciting world of infidelity! Noone likes the person who hurt their parent, and literally help traumatize their childhood?! Maam! You literally are the enemy!!! Now granted we have to tolerate you but seriously maam!
@@blacklee93 Well 🗣NO SHIT, Sherlock!! I'm sure you got what I was saying.💁🏾 (btw., we ALL know that the only ppl responsible for a break-up, are 🗣those 2 ppl that's in said relationship)... Okkk👌🏾
I feel like there's more to why their father fell out of love with Ms. Evelyn and stepped outside their marriage than what's being told. I also think she may have even had a clue how he was feeling and what was going on before he actually told her.
And that’s why Evelyn treated Traci the way she did. No matter what happened btw her parents.. she respected her father. She may not have like the situation but she respected the father enough to not disrespect his wife .. Boys and girls this is why they treated her the way they did!!! Rest in peace Traci!!
@@Dexters.LaBOREatory like an after thought.. she never treated her like she actually loved and cared for her.. Traci addressed it on the show. Evelyn apologized for her actions. Nothing really changed.
@@THG88I seriously doubt that. Trina, Towanda, Tamar and Toni for a time all lived in Atlanta with her, then Toni and Tamar even when they moved to LA were footing her bills while Trina and Towanda kept her company. I think it was proximity more than hurt feelings.
Look at the destructive long term damage an affair has on the entire family. He absolutely should have left if the fell out of love. And Miss E needs ro accept what her role was in the break down of the marriage. Not that she is to blame in anyway for his betrayal and choices, but before that what was the marriage like. Unfortunately cheating makes it easy to absolve yourself from any wrong doing. Sadly they will go to their graves full of bitterness and hate.
It takes 2 to breakdown a marriage so Evelyn is not innocent. What Papa Braxton did was horrible and Wanda but the fact is he loves her and choose to be with and married Wanda. Ms. E put her pain on her girls since then and they been in a constant battle of what side to pick. Why does a child (adults now) have to pick and walk on egg shells for the other parent to heal and feel comfortable. That's wrong. I think Traci and Mike Jr staying in Maryland helped them see the whole pic and everyone's part, that's why she stays quiet and shows respect. Mommy and Daddy are humans too. I will say had the dad just handled leaving the mom right things would be different but who knows what kind of toxic relationship he and Ms. E had. I think it's sad that she has wasted life not trying to love another man again and keeping that bitterness inside her. All this time and you still can't be around him. Chile let that shit go.
The problem is their dad was not a regular guy. He was a pastor and they are set on a higher standard. Also this man has 5 daughters so that means if daddy is unfaithful and he's the pastor that wasn't immune to the flesh any man all men are capable.
The last part of your statement is wild. This ain't some 8th grade boyfriend. This was 35 years and 6 children. Ain't no telling the sacrifice she made for that. She has every right to be mad as hell for as long as she needs to.
Being a full grown adult and accepting a father who made clear multiple times that you are not a priority in his life despite him bringing you into this world is crazy to me but to each their own. I just watched the dinner scene that had with him and ms. E and they said they tried to have a dinner with him twice before and he stood him both times. Again, insane.
So from my understanding this was the only man Evelyn has been with before the divorce. He cheated for 9 years and divorced after over 20 years. So when did he leave the house because they made it seem like they were kids when the daddy left, and Tamar was in her 20s when they divorced in 2000. They must’ve been having marital problems since Toni was in HS at least.
They were fully grown when the affair was revealed and he left the home. The mother was upset because he remarried within 30 days of them divorcing. He was her first everything. They started dating at 14 and 15 yes old. Married at 18. They divorced well after Toni was established as an international superstar. The divorce happened shortly before Toni's wedding to Keri. Toni didn't invite Ms Wanda to the wedding. He walked Toni down the aisle and gave her away. But when Trina had her wedding and didn't invite Ms Wanda, he didn't show up to Walk her down the aisle. He didn't show up to give her away. Traci and Michael was the closest to him because while Tamar and Trina and Towanda had uprooted and relocated to Atlanta to be with Toni, Traci and Michael stayed put in the Maryland DMV area, in the same vicinity as him. Toni was mad because during divorce proceedings he plead that he couldn't pay any alimony. Which made Toni be responsible for all of Ms Evelyn finances. Even though she had just came out of bankruptcy.
He chose galavanting with his mistress over his girls, specifically Tamar and Trina, for the back half of their childhood. They were still kids when this was happening, and even though they didn’t know, they had to feel or sense something.
Tbh I’m young so I’m really not educated but to be honest that women knew he had a wife and he knew he had a family… he be acting like he don’t know why his kids and ex wife have a problem
Both of them are responsible. The mistress knew he was married with children and the dad was married with children. They both knew what they was doing.
I reside with Toni on a lot of things because I myself am the first born. I have 6 siblings (one on my moms side because she got remarried and my dad well… chile, anyways) and all us first borns wanna do is just keep the peace and just have everyone close together. We are the first ones to be around our parents so we understand their struggles and their emotions because we’ve got to see and understand before our younger siblings understand. In my opinion, yes every has a role in the story. Papa Braxton, Ms. Wanda, etc. If Papa Braxton was unhappy that doesn’t mean go cheat, that means sit down have a conversation with your spouse and get a divorce if that’s where the conversation leads to because you took an oath to love and hold and to cherish one another till death did you part. Communication is key. Also, everyone’s feelings and opinions are valid and i’m happy that the sisters saw Ms Wanda wasn’t the reason for all the madness
Knowing that the parent’s divorce were in 2000 makes me understand why they’re not over it but… they were all adults so idk why they’re acting as if he abandoned them during their childhood
I think he emotionally abandoned them long before that and abandonment in general hurts, no matter the age. And seeing your mama hurt and being old enough to understand as a woman what she's going through must hurt.
I say it all the time, "A man is still a man..." not a male - HUman... so, your expectations should be that you are dealing with such. I think after all of these years, the girls should be over their anger with her - clearly their father and his wife love each other... BUT, when you consider the fact that this lady was coming to Ms. Evelyn seeking advice on how to deal with her man - and never told her that the man she was seeking advice about was HER husband; I wouldn't be in the forgiving space either - if I were Ms. E.
Now after I have seen the these episodes of the Braxton Family Values I now understand why Pop Braxton and thier Brother don’t Show up on the Show with the drama of Mother Braxton and her daughters excluding Toni and Trina.
@@Tootsieroll22 nice try. His sorry ass stayed away and didn't attend his daughters wedding. No excuses for that bum.Every second he was with her in that 9 yr period,he took that time away from his children.
I'm with Traci on this one..." that's dad's wife and i'm going to respect her!!"... their to old for the other stuff and their losing time with him by choosing to hold grudges.
@@leo123722 If Evelyn was unfaithful, Michael would've already aired that out, but he hasn't. He's called her mean, angry and bitter, but he's never called her a cheater, likely cause she never cheated. So, as much as she may have an attitude, Evelyn isn't an adulterer, like Michael, with his 9 YEAR affair with Wanda, who was 1 of his churchgoers and he was the church MINISTER!
That dad claims he thought his kids didn’t want anything to do with him 🙄 , You made it worse by staying away.. I am so sick of these damn men and their lack of communication skills.. it’s very old get HELP and I dont mean that by getting inside of the head of another woman 🤨
ummmmmm they were grown as fuck when their parents got divorced. while his affair is low down and dirty, their momma made them feel like they needed to choose a side which is dead ass wrong. his deciding to not communicate with his children was also dead as wrong. but that didn’t mean they couldn’t communicate with him. tracy spoke with her dad hints as to why she was always the outsider. The rest chose their mommas feelings to be more important than to try and keep a relationship with their dad. I think the only one to recognize that their momma is or was the problem was Toni. she’s definitely mentioned that he mom put her daughters in the middle of her divorce. Even Tamara son is being put in the middle. he said “owwwwwww i’m telling gma.”
Wanda can't fry for years but what she did was work and she is part of the pain. This man I have zero respect for him. They asking Miss E to be okay after 35 years went to waste. They are asking for toomuch especially because they don't see anything wrong about what they did. Defensive as hell
If it wasn't Wanda he would have been with another woman. Plus, if you're not in love with someone anymore, it is what it is. Mr. Braxton said they had fell out of love before Wanda.
Welp life happens. People do fall out of love, yea he could’ve handled it different but we don’t know if he was saying their separated or not. They can forgive their cheating husbands but not their father. Glad they made amends and are doing a lot better
A lot people don't understand because they didn't grow up in two parent household so this type of brokenness seems normal. What Michael and Wanda did was so fundamental disrespectful to their entire family unit. Regardless of what Miss E says, that could be difficult if not impossible for a child to reconcile. If my father did what Michael did, the relationship would definitely be different and I would never accept Wanda. But because a lot of people grew up in homes where the family was never a unit, it's hard for people to understand the principle of this kind of disregard for the family unit.
It was really hard for me to feel sorry for her. She knew what he was all about and stayed a side chick for nine years until she finally got promoted. Nevermind them taking on their mother's pain, imagine finding out that your father cheated on your mother, married his side chick 30 days later, and just kept it moving.
I think the mom needs to let her adult children be adults. They can be around their dad and his wife their relationship failed he cheated and yes it hurts but it was his LOSS. Why would he show up anywhere without his wife they are not children he is an adult and anyone who wants me around has to respect my mate being present and that includes my ADULT children
It’s so sad that they don’t wanna believe their father is a hot ass mess.. he is showing y’all and y’all still choose to play delusional.. he kept the woman around
I will NEVA respect a woman sleeping with a married men period, Wanda knew exactly what she was doing period!
Eh, the man knew he was married. I blame both parties. They BOTH knew what they were doing
@@i_c_e_555 exactly . They always blame the women and let the men off free. Senseless
Girl you’ve slept with a married man before, maybe not knowingly BUT U HAVE AS WELL. U don’t have no right to judge
@@i_c_e_555 they didn’t say anything in regards to the man because that’s a given that he gets no respect but for her to be crying like she was the victim is crazy!
@@tennisstar2011 unfortunately it isnt a given...many people...look down on the side chick while giving the actual cheater a pass. It's actually common....
If the dad couldn’t stand being at home, he should have divorced instead of cheating.
Facts!!!!
True; however, this was centuries ago. They all need to get over it at this point. Miss Evelyn played a bigger part in this than she is admitting.
Agreed but remember they come from a different generation then what we do nowadays. He was a pastor of a church so putting up appearances was more important.
He was a pastor lying in thr pulpit
@@jrabbt7463 exactly. Totally different time. And Evelyn has shown how mean spirited she can be. I'm surprised that she herself used to Counsel Women about Life
She was dating married man with 6 Kids.... I don't care about her tears!!!
They were all grown adults. I’m sure Mr. B lied a lot to that lady
I know that’s right.
@@Msladyrae92No they weren’t. The parents divorced in 2000, or it was finalised. He was with her for 9 years, so either 1990 or 1991 at the latest. So while this was going on, Towanda would have been between 16-18, Trina would have been between 15-17, and Tamar would have been between 12-14 when it started. And she wasn’t the only or possibly first one he was with.
@@sabriyahsmith346 sin is sin, even if he was not married, fornication is just as bad.
@@mykoniichistorychannel right, when the divorce was FINALIZED, it was said that he had several affairs.
Wanda is partially responsible for sleeping with a married man, but Michael Sr. was ABSOLUTLY 100% responsible for not being there for his children.
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They’re both fully responsible.
They were adults when he divorced Evelyn.
@SeeItsReggieT are you sure?
Braxton slept with Wanda in their home. He didn’t just cheat, he brought that woman in their bed.
Oh hello no! I’m my Maya from girlfriends voice.
Where did u here that??
@@annjohnson9504 Yes. Ms. E said it season one when they had the infamous dinner.
Trifflin
She’s not the villain? 😂
It’s a dangerous thing when a man goes outside his home looking for peace.
Maybe he should be the peace then, man go outside of their homes because they are cowards.
Not him saying Wanda is compassionate but she had no compassion for his wife 😂
Exactly! Imagine having an affair with a married man who has 6 kids and is a pastor for 9 years straight! That makes no sense.
him choosing the lady over his kids was the issue. they shouldn’t be forced to be in her presence to see him
If I’m not mistaken , everyone were adults at that time
@@Msladyrae92 choosing not to come to your daughters wedding cause she said you couldn’t bring your wife on behalf of their mothers feelings , like come on now you can’t be serious it’s like he trying to force them to like her or be in her presence when they damn sure don’t have to , and have made that clear , so basically fuck your kids cause they don’t want your wife around and the wife ain’t even trying to come around so why the fuck is he trying to force it .
I'm floored how they're still blaming her for him not being there for them.
He's the adulterer, he's father/husband that betrayed his family.
A grown man that made his own decisions.
Can't believe grown women who've lived life, had relationships and kids... Yet they blaming the other woman for their fathers absence.
He even said at the dinner, that she said "go be with your children" yet he chose not to.
@@prettybrowneyes7481 It wasn’t until then they knew and stopped blaming her. they don’t blame her, they just don’t deal with her. They’re cordial because that’s the only way they’ll be able to have him in their lives. I would have cut him for good..His relationship with his kids is between them. Him involving his trick is evil and unnecessary.
He chose happiness baby girl. He has a right to be happy and not be with Evelyn's toxic ass. And he is still in his children life, who said that he isn't, I'm confused on the lie that you are putting out.
She said she feel like she was part of the problem… Chic you were PART of the problem , but she wasn’t the main problem..
No she wasn’t. She was a byproduct of the problem. Both Evelyn and Michael admitted on several occasions that they were having problems in their marriage before Wanda. Michael said that Wanda gave him an escape from Evelyn’s behavior… I’m assuming he meant on an emotional level. And as anyone will tell you, when you are unhappy in your relationship, you will eventually gravitate to the person who puts their hands out to you and is there for you. So eventually Michael and Wanda’s relationship went from emotional intimacy to physically intimacy.
After seeing Evelyn’s behavior throughout the season and then her behavior on the Iyanla episode in addition to what Trina said in her own episode on Iyanla, I believe Evelyn truly drove him crazy
@@JLPerryTV That's no excuse for carrying on a 9 year affair though, especially considering Wanda was someone the Braxtons knew from their CHURCH, for Pete sake. Michael was a MINISTER who slept with 1 of his churchgoers behind his WIFE'S back for NINE YEARS and Wanda knew he was married and kept being his 9 year mistress. IDC how Evelyn was. Michael had the choice to leave, for his own peace of mind, but he chose to stay and cheat. That's low down and ungodly to do, especially for a MINISTER.
@@JLPerryTV thats still no excuse
@@JLPerryTV Yes she was.
@@xiamariansupreme72 I think we’ve seen time and time again that ministers are far from perfect.
It's kinda of crazy that Toni says we're all here, no one's six feet under given now that Traci is gone! It's heart wrenching to hear it!
true
For real. I know the holidays are harder than ever with her gone.
Yeah that lien always got him it’s like o knew one of them wouldn’t be with us but I didn’t think it would be Traci the poor family experienced too much death in the family.
Can’t believe she’s really gone.
Wanda very sensitive but she kept him away from his kids for 8 years 😢 cry about THAT if you gone cry about something!!!!
I know ppl gone say it was his choice‼️ but honestly I couldn’t be with a man who don’t give a poot about his own kids!!!!’😮
Rest in Heaven Traci 🕊🌷
Michael should have seen his kids no matter with wanda or not
This.. do they not realize it’s worse to stay away from the kids.. and what kids don’t want to see their father.. he felt guilty , it’s disgusting and weak of him to put it on his children , how the hell would you know how they each felt when you didn’t even make it your duty to have an understanding.. pure BS
You do understand how their mother reacted to the girls maintaining any ties with their Dad right??
Traci literally stayed in Maryland to stay close to her Dad and her tyrant of a mother isolated her as a result.
Toni was 31 and Tamar 21 when they divorced, they could’ve done the same
You are so right.
@@tampasfinest2625Meaning he chose this woman while Tamar was still a child.
Listen what Pop Braxton did was inexcusable stepping out on his marriage. But you also have to face the repercussions as the other woman AND FOR 9 years he had this affair with you. Then you marry 30 days after the divorce. You can’t whine and be upset you caused someone pain when you were the catalyst to it. Don’t play victim! With that said, both sides of family wrong. From the mom to the kids to the mistress turned wife.
Facts.
EXACTLY! She up there crying like she hasnt done ANYTHING wrong...i could understand if he cheated and married a woman whom his wife and children didnt know,BUT she was a friend of the family! She deserves to feel guilty for the rest of her life.. NO REAL WOMAN WOULD HAVE DONE WHAT SHE DID..so no,she gets no sympathy..🤷♀️🙄🤦♀️
Those were tears of GUILT deep down inside and she knows it...i want to also add that Momma Braxton has every RIGHT not wanting anything to do with PaPa Braxton and Wanda...that doesnt make her bitter at all!
Preach!!!!!
EXACTLY , Mann you dont get the privileges of leaving a women with 5 whole humans to raise alone and live in peace after pulling that bs. I’m sorry but NO 😂that was some messed up stuff.
What did the mom and children do wrong? He openly admitted the HE chose not to go around his own children. They said multiple times they’d call and he wouldn’t answer, they’d tell him they were in town he wouldn’t respond, in the first season they invited him out twice when they were in town and he didn’t show up. He and his current wife were completely wrong in that entire situation.
I Like When The Brother Makes A Cameo; His 1-2 Sentences Are Always Profound.
As a single woman I have never got in a relationship with a married man. She knew he was married. She went to parties etc but now want to play the victim. She had a whole azzz affair with him for 9 years but she feel she wasn't apart of the problem.
Mizz Wanda bye… the tears… bye
Exactly those crocodile hoe tears😂
Michael and Wanda are both deplorable, to me. Wanda knew Michael was married, yet she remained his mistress for NINE YEARS. She even went to the same church as the Braxtons and she knew Evelyn. Michael refused to leave Evelyn, but instead kept another woman on the side for NINE YEARS. They're both low down people! Wanda knows good and goddamn well she's apart of the pain. You were a married man's side chick for 9 years and married him A MONTH after he left his wife, which you'd lowkey been begging for him to do. UGH.
And I can't believe that was his side piece, Evelyn looks way better!
@@callyodmedia2
What's even worst is Wanda was up in the Braxton household, too, even around the kids. Evelyn didn't even know the side chick was in her own home!
Wow and I started to feel bad for Wanda cause I know men dont tell everything but damn not a mistress for 9 years and been around the family knowing you messing with the married pastor smh I didnt know that much of that situation
@@calmb4thestorm370
She was even up in the Braxton's house, around the kids, too. It just gets more & more trifling with each revealed detail. The mistress was in their church, in their home & messing with the MINISTER. Like, what the HELL?! Wanda is revolting & Michael Braxton is low down to the ground!
@@xiamariansupreme72 whew!..that’s some cold blooded mess..that’s why I’m not quick to call somebody a friend because they’re the ones that do all the backstabbing.
The only time I agreed with Tamar" You have to choose your kids"" hit home for me, I've been there
-Tony the oldest yet looks the youngest
Drama free will do that to u
Who is Tony? Are you talking about Toni Braxton? 😄
@@pjpj3416 lol the “y” is offensive honey 😂😂
Tamar was looks the youngest…knock it off😂
@@j.kirkpatrick1919 Toni has plenty drama, she just doesn’t share…believe that. Anyone who has filed bankruptcy twice, had a divorce, sued a record label, and other things, she’s lived a life, she just has the maturity to handle it with grace and modesty.
Evelyn.... has her own issues. let's be clear
She was toxic and kept it going thru her daughter's
It doesn’t matter about Evelyn. He was married to Evelyn and was cheating which is why Evelyn probably was acting the way she was with her husband.
@@paulettekeel6318-Ty!
That may be so, but he could have…I dunno, gotten a divorce?
To be honest, Tamar never knows what she's talking about. This is proof that you can be GROWn and still act like a child.
Daddy is the problem. He manipulated all of the women in his life including his daughters. Ms.e is at fault for transferring her bitterness to her daughters instead of seeking out strength to forgive. It’s sad that in their 40s these women just then realized that their dad is just another man.
@7:39 and that is why Miss E low-key resented Traci, treated her differently, and the other sisters followed her lead 😩
Well Traci didn’t like her mother so it was easy to do. And I like Traci
@@LisaLisaCJ I’m sure Traci didn’t like her mother because of the reasons I stated in the very comment you responded to 😵💫
@@FrozenRemix1 honey some people read and can’t comprehend 😂😂😂😂😩🤦🏾♀️ I understand u honey lol
@@deemc1198 thank you, darling. At first, I thought it was me. I checked my initial comment again and sure enough I placed a time stamp on why I thought Miss E and the other sisters treated Traci differently. I’m sure Miss E expected Traci to resent and feel a way about Wanda and Traci did not do that. Out of her own mouth, she said, “that’s my father’s wife and I’m gonna respect her…”.
The other sisters didn’t have a rapport with Wanda like Traci did. This is also evident when Trina got married. At the wedding, Traci was sitting with and conversing with Wanda.
So, I don’t know how Lisa Jones “got lost in the loop” 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@FrozenRemix1 no problem love. U know some people be on these apps just to say silly stuff🤦🏾♀️. Sad people read but can’t comprehend now days. I see it a lot
Wanda knew that’s the fucked up part she knew he had a family so those tears are from guilt and she should feel guilty but at the same time actions are permanent so you have to forgive yourself and do the work to get those girls to forgive and heal with you .
Of course you were part of the pain, the problem, the affair. You already tore the daily up.
I didn't understand how they always talked about Traci living in the past and there they were 14 years later still upset with their Dad.
It’s a little different. Traci made that pretty much her whole identity, and took every transgression as an opportunity to add to her narrative. This man’s actions dismantled their childhood and sense of being, and it took 10 years after the divorce to even begin to discuss what happened, and they seemingly let it go, Traci never did.
I don't blame Ms E.
Time does not heal everything.
I remember Season 1 when he said "If you keep hitting that sore it will never heal" and she said "Sore? please this man ripped my heart out" I felt that. She was with the same man since the 10th grade for 35 years and bore 6 babies thats a loooooooong time to love somebody.
@@Lbree1077 Exactly! Plus the side chick of 10 yrs became the wife.
If he had cheated, and later married a woman who wasn't involved in the demise of his marriage. I think they all would've moved on passed it smoother.
@@autumnskai6383 FACTS . So now this what they have to deal with …….. forever
The only reason why Evelyn is still bitter about it is because she still loves him and wants him to be with her
@@JLPerryTVI don't think so .... She's mad at the way things happened
Just like Toni said regardless of whatever I’m not beating down my dad ... I’m not excusing his cheating but their mother gotta admit that she played and still plays a part in the deterioration of their family !
🗣Wonder how sensitive Ms Wanda would feel if you left her for someone else! I stand with TAMAR!
Ms. Evelyn did a grave disservice to her daughters. She gave them anger, confusion, strife, and manipulation. She allowed her feelings as the wife of an adulterer, to be transferred and taken on by her children, in her own effort to be the victim and to have the support. He cheated on his wife, not his children. He failed as a husband, but where he went wrong was allowing his guilt, hurt and shame, make him fail as a father. Where the mother failed was when she encouraged and basically reveled in that divide.
Very well said
Amen
Iyanla said it right about their mother during Trina’s “Fix My Life” episode.
U are sick girl for real, when your husband cheats on you, with 6 kids and your fellow girl is his side chick, then u will understand her pain
🎯💯
All that stuff Tamar was saying sound like something straight outta miss E mouth 😂😂
Like Iyanla said, and I’m paraphrasing, Tamar is the physical demonstration of Ms. E’s pain, and she acts it out.
@@mykoniichistorychannel that's so sad
Tamar has a right to feel whatever way she wants. She was the youngest when all of this stuff took place so it probably affected her more. You have to go through that process to understand it and I have.
What I dont get is when the side piece gets the man and has ti sit by and watch the difficult times with his kids, feeling left out by his children ect why act surprised?!!! Comes with the exciting world of infidelity! Noone likes the person who hurt their parent, and literally help traumatize their childhood?! Maam! You literally are the enemy!!! Now granted we have to tolerate you but seriously maam!
I will never respect Wanda
Facts!!!!
💯
Fr Fr! 💯💯
I love how Traci is respectful.
She said "I don't wanna take her place"🤔🤔 Uumm, ok, you just wanna take her husband, huh?!? 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
LISTEN LINDAA SMDH
True, but somehow I still blame Braxton for that. 😌
how do you "take" someone's husband? the husband gave himself away
@@blacklee93 Well 🗣NO SHIT, Sherlock!! I'm sure you got what I was saying.💁🏾 (btw., we ALL know that the only ppl responsible for a break-up, are 🗣those 2 ppl that's in said relationship)... Okkk👌🏾
LMMFAO!!!! GURL, U GIVETH LIFE!!!!!
I feel like there's more to why their father fell out of love with Ms. Evelyn and stepped outside their marriage than what's being told. I also think she may have even had a clue how he was feeling and what was going on before he actually told her.
And that’s why Evelyn treated Traci the way she did. No matter what happened btw her parents.. she respected her father. She may not have like the situation but she respected the father enough to not disrespect his wife .. Boys and girls this is why they treated her the way they did!!! Rest in peace Traci!!
How did she treat her???
@@Dexters.LaBOREatory like an after thought.. she never treated her like she actually loved and cared for her.. Traci addressed it on the show. Evelyn apologized for her actions. Nothing really changed.
@@THG88I seriously doubt that. Trina, Towanda, Tamar and Toni for a time all lived in Atlanta with her, then Toni and Tamar even when they moved to LA were footing her bills while Trina and Towanda kept her company. I think it was proximity more than hurt feelings.
Look at the destructive long term damage an affair has on the entire family. He absolutely should have left if the fell out of love. And Miss E needs ro accept what her role was in the break down of the marriage. Not that she is to blame in anyway for his betrayal and choices, but before that what was the marriage like. Unfortunately cheating makes it easy to absolve yourself from any wrong doing. Sadly they will go to their graves full of bitterness and hate.
She should feel bad. You contributed to the breakdown of the family
It takes 2 to breakdown a marriage so Evelyn is not innocent. What Papa Braxton did was horrible and Wanda but the fact is he loves her and choose to be with and married Wanda. Ms. E put her pain on her girls since then and they been in a constant battle of what side to pick. Why does a child (adults now) have to pick and walk on egg shells for the other parent to heal and feel comfortable. That's wrong. I think Traci and Mike Jr staying in Maryland helped them see the whole pic and everyone's part, that's why she stays quiet and shows respect. Mommy and Daddy are humans too. I will say had the dad just handled leaving the mom right things would be different but who knows what kind of toxic relationship he and Ms. E had. I think it's sad that she has wasted life not trying to love another man again and keeping that bitterness inside her. All this time and you still can't be around him. Chile let that shit go.
The problem is their dad was not a regular guy. He was a pastor and they are set on a higher standard. Also this man has 5 daughters so that means if daddy is unfaithful and he's the pastor that wasn't immune to the flesh any man all men are capable.
No it doesn’t take 2 to break down a marriage u so loud and wrong!
The last part of your statement is wild. This ain't some 8th grade boyfriend. This was 35 years and 6 children. Ain't no telling the sacrifice she made for that. She has every right to be mad as hell for as long as she needs to.
It takes one to cheat.
Being a full grown adult and accepting a father who made clear multiple times that you are not a priority in his life despite him bringing you into this world is crazy to me but to each their own. I just watched the dinner scene that had with him and ms. E and they said they tried to have a dinner with him twice before and he stood him both times. Again, insane.
That man had a 9 year affair
Exactly! I remember on one episode Ms E said Wanda wasn’t the only woman he was with and he was cheating with other women in their church.
So from my understanding this was the only man Evelyn has been with before the divorce. He cheated for 9 years and divorced after over 20 years. So when did he leave the house because they made it seem like they were kids when the daddy left, and Tamar was in her 20s when they divorced in 2000. They must’ve been having marital problems since Toni was in HS at least.
They were fully grown when the affair was revealed and he left the home. The mother was upset because he remarried within 30 days of them divorcing. He was her first everything. They started dating at 14 and 15 yes old. Married at 18. They divorced well after Toni was established as an international superstar. The divorce happened shortly before Toni's wedding to Keri. Toni didn't invite Ms Wanda to the wedding. He walked Toni down the aisle and gave her away. But when Trina had her wedding and didn't invite Ms Wanda, he didn't show up to Walk her down the aisle. He didn't show up to give her away. Traci and Michael was the closest to him because while Tamar and Trina and Towanda had uprooted and relocated to Atlanta to be with Toni, Traci and Michael stayed put in the Maryland DMV area, in the same vicinity as him. Toni was mad because during divorce proceedings he plead that he couldn't pay any alimony. Which made Toni be responsible for all of Ms Evelyn finances. Even though she had just came out of bankruptcy.
@@true90skid apparently they tried to separate when the siblings were younger. But he stayed (I think it was said in Iyanla’s episode)
He chose galavanting with his mistress over his girls, specifically Tamar and Trina, for the back half of their childhood. They were still kids when this was happening, and even though they didn’t know, they had to feel or sense something.
-Toni is so mature
She’s 50, she should be.
@@mykoniichistorychannel 53*...n age ain't mean much with maturity
@@NickiG04 like I said, should be.
She Sure is
He really loves Wanda
Tbh I’m young so I’m really not educated but to be honest that women knew he had a wife and he knew he had a family… he be acting like he don’t know why his kids and ex wife have a problem
THANK YOU. I’ve been saying this since day 1!!!!!!!
You should have got divorced first before you started another relationship pastor
Both of them are responsible. The mistress knew he was married with children and the dad was married with children. They both knew what they was doing.
And Wanda gurllllll no u Not up here acting like ur hurt or so upset plz ma'am go sat down 😂 okurrr!!
They all look so good here
Best I ever seen them look.. wardrobe and everything
I reside with Toni on a lot of things because I myself am the first born. I have 6 siblings (one on my moms side because she got remarried and my dad well… chile, anyways) and all us first borns wanna do is just keep the peace and just have everyone close together. We are the first ones to be around our parents so we understand their struggles and their emotions because we’ve got to see and understand before our younger siblings understand.
In my opinion, yes every has a role in the story. Papa Braxton, Ms. Wanda, etc. If Papa Braxton was unhappy that doesn’t mean go cheat, that means sit down have a conversation with your spouse and get a divorce if that’s where the conversation leads to because you took an oath to love and hold and to cherish one another till death did you part. Communication is key.
Also, everyone’s feelings and opinions are valid and i’m happy that the sisters saw Ms Wanda wasn’t the reason for all the madness
Very well written.
Toni looks so drained and disappointed 😞 so sad!
He definitely cheating on her too
It ALWAYS takes two to tangle. Its never only one persons fault.
Knowing that the parent’s divorce were in 2000 makes me understand why they’re not over it but… they were all adults so idk why they’re acting as if he abandoned them during their childhood
I think he emotionally abandoned them long before that and abandonment in general hurts, no matter the age. And seeing your mama hurt and being old enough to understand as a woman what she's going through must hurt.
Amen exactly
He abandoned them way before cheating with Wanda and then he married her.
I say it all the time, "A man is still a man..." not a male - HUman... so, your expectations should be that you are dealing with such. I think after all of these years, the girls should be over their anger with her - clearly their father and his wife love each other... BUT, when you consider the fact that this lady was coming to Ms. Evelyn seeking advice on how to deal with her man - and never told her that the man she was seeking advice about was HER husband; I wouldn't be in the forgiving space either - if I were Ms. E.
-Damn Toni😍🎯
Now after I have seen the these episodes of the Braxton Family Values I now understand
why Pop Braxton and thier Brother don’t
Show up on the Show with the drama of Mother Braxton and her daughters excluding Toni and Trina.
Yep
That plus they not getting paid to show up either
He settled for a sensitive sweet woman ❤ mrs E acts like Tamar and that’s hard to deal with
i said the same thing. a lot of women don’t understand men just want peace, love, and to feel wanted.
Trina: last night I got the truth and the honesty ouwutt 💀😭😂
Them girls are a reflection of their mother with that said MS E is annoying like Tamar lol
They really are..THEY JUST LIKE HER!! PERIOD
She sure is. Traci was and Trina is the only different ones.
I would rather join the Madagascar circus and fly through flaming hoops, then to pick my mistress over my kids 💯
You got a mistress? Lol
@@KianaG1280 exactly 🤣
He didn’t choose her over them. They were manipulated by their bitter and lying mother
@@Tootsieroll22 nice try. His sorry ass stayed away and didn't attend his daughters wedding. No excuses for that bum.Every second he was with her in that 9 yr period,he took that time away from his children.
@@Tootsieroll22 they were manipulated???? How does manipulating the kids cause him to have a nine year affair?? 😂
Im sure Mrs. Wanda was there for Traci when her sisters and mom went on and left her behind. Seems like they had a good relationship.
7:02 I 100% agree with Trina on this one!!!!!
I'm with Traci on this one..." that's dad's wife and i'm going to respect her!!"... their to old for the other stuff and their losing time with him by choosing to hold grudges.
I'm not respecting no homewrecker. She knew he was married. She was at reuions, parties you name it. I will never sleep with a married man
@@msquan1991 oh please you really
Thinks Miss.E was faithful something up with her
@@leo123722 oh stop to with the ghetto narrative . If she was not faithful the same way she threw him under the bus he would of did the same
@@leo123722 If Evelyn was unfaithful, Michael would've already aired that out, but he hasn't. He's called her mean, angry and bitter, but he's never called her a cheater, likely cause she never cheated. So, as much as she may have an attitude, Evelyn isn't an adulterer, like Michael, with his 9 YEAR affair with Wanda, who was 1 of his churchgoers and he was the church MINISTER!
I don’t think they ever talked about it. They did that in their family everything was always swept under the rug
I was looking for battle field V videos [Bfv] and i come across this video
Lil West 😂😂😂
Hahaha
Guess it is a battlefield
@@MsIcollins LMAOOOOO 😂
No one is six feet under hits different 😢
Yes! Hearing that almost took my breath away
Lady please, you were part of the cause of their family breaking up ..the nerve
That dad claims he thought his kids didn’t want anything to do with him 🙄 , You made it worse by staying away.. I am so sick of these damn men and their lack of communication skills.. it’s very old get HELP and I dont mean that by getting inside of the head of another woman 🤨
Yes you were responsible for the pain too!
Now you the mistress why you crying
I can’t chile
Can I just say! (Lip smack) Traci had on A Beautiful n Slaying swimwear! And the B WORE THAT ISH!!!! R.I.P Queen!
Lady you was The Problem 🤷🏾♀️ save them tears Hunny
Terrible how Tracy was the chosen one to leave this earth before her dad
-Traci wouldn't saying anything yesterday
You did want to take her place 🙄
Tracy is not trying to hear that shit
That’s true Tamar
ummmmmm they were grown as fuck when their parents got divorced. while his affair is low down and dirty, their momma made them feel like they needed to choose a side which is dead ass wrong. his deciding to not communicate with his children was also dead as wrong. but that didn’t mean they couldn’t communicate with him. tracy spoke with her dad hints as to why she was always the outsider. The rest chose their mommas feelings to be more important than to try and keep a relationship with their dad. I think the only one to recognize that their momma is or was the problem was Toni. she’s definitely mentioned that he mom put her daughters in the middle of her divorce. Even Tamara son is being put in the middle. he said “owwwwwww i’m
telling gma.”
This is a family of manipulators. Wanda know what she doing.
Wanda can't fry for years but what she did was work and she is part of the pain. This man I have zero respect for him. They asking Miss E to be okay after 35 years went to waste. They are asking for toomuch especially because they don't see anything wrong about what they did. Defensive as hell
Trina and Tamar STAY using the incorrect words.
You’re wrong Cheater. Take accountability
3:50 Towanda- u need anotha pilla lol
When is she not kissing Toni's azz and isn't in servant/assistant mode 😂
My grandpa did something very similar to this, and my family still deals with the ramifications from all this.
What Toni said at the end ✅
And all of them married men like their Daddy.
Before Trina started skin bleaching, nowadays she's pink 😂😂😂.
This a sad situation all the way around
If that Tamar don't look like that Daddy then nobody does that is daddy's face on a woman's body
And so does Traci and Trina
I don’t see any tears 🥴
😂😂😂
Wanda is't to sensitive considering she was laid up in Mrs. Evelyn's bed with her husband! Don't nobody feel bad for them.
If it wasn't Wanda he would have been with another woman. Plus, if you're not in love with someone anymore, it is what it is. Mr. Braxton said they had fell out of love before Wanda.
Welp life happens. People do fall out of love, yea he could’ve handled it different but we don’t know if he was saying their separated or not. They can forgive their cheating husbands but not their father. Glad they made amends and are doing a lot better
Ho straight up Michael & Wanda accountability period messed them girls up for life
The daddy downgraded if you ask me…
Terribly 😂😂😢.
A lot people don't understand because they didn't grow up in two parent household so this type of brokenness seems normal. What Michael and Wanda did was so fundamental disrespectful to their entire family unit. Regardless of what Miss E says, that could be difficult if not impossible for a child to reconcile. If my father did what Michael did, the relationship would definitely be different and I would never accept Wanda. But because a lot of people grew up in homes where the family was never a unit, it's hard for people to understand the principle of this kind of disregard for the family unit.
You are apart of the pain you knew what was up from the beginning
It was really hard for me to feel sorry for her. She knew what he was all about and stayed a side chick for nine years until she finally got promoted. Nevermind them taking on their mother's pain, imagine finding out that your father cheated on your mother, married his side chick 30 days later, and just kept it moving.
I think the mom needs to let her adult children be adults. They can be around their dad and his wife their relationship failed he cheated and yes it hurts but it was his LOSS. Why would he show up anywhere without his wife they are not children he is an adult and anyone who wants me around has to respect my mate being present and that includes my ADULT children
It’s so sad that they don’t wanna believe their father is a hot ass mess.. he is showing y’all and y’all still choose to play delusional.. he kept the woman around