I pitched a wrestling show to 'Dave' back in 2017, (they had Steve Austin's Broken Skull Ranch on every night at 9pm and had just done big numbers with a boxing event, so it wasn't... ya know... totally off brand). Perhaps almost unbelievably, they told me, "wrestling is too low brow". I got home that night, flicked on Taskmaster, to watch Josh Widdicombe literally counting beans.
I got more of an education from watching wrestling than I did from school or any other show on TV. 'Dave' shows a fat man in his pants to fill air time.
Richard and Marina, I didn't expect wrestling to come up - but thank you!!!! I'm a life long wrestling fan and as soon as anyone who doesn't watch wrestling hears you like wrestling, the first thing they say is "You know it's fake, right?" - like after watching wrestling for over 35 years, as an adult I wouldn't know the entertainment I watch religiously was pre-determined. So yes, the outcomes are pre-determined, but the art of what goes into the performance is incredible. These aren't men stamping the ground and pretending to hit each other anymore. The in ring matches are often called in the ring, which even after all this time blows my mind; some of the spots are incredible. But it's also how they link those spots together. Being a wrestler is also about how you look and, even more importantly, how good you are on the mic and your promo skills. And, as I am sure someone has mentioned already, the injuries are very real. Some wrestlers get to come back after years away in rehab - like Adam Copeland, Bryan Danielson (who is one fo the best on the world in my extremely humble opinion). Some might come back - we're all hoping Big E will make a return. Some sadly become too injured to wrestle again. So yes, it is pre-determined who will take the pin, or submit. But the performance in the ring in usually called there and then and injuries are very real. That's sports entertainment. So again, thank you - we know it isn't real. We also know it isn't entirely fake. I've always rather thought of it this way - movies aren't real either.
Wrestling rings are reportedly hard, and wrestlers are trained to minimise impact to each other, but things can go wrong, hence why wrestlers like Adam Copeland have broken their neck and needed surgery. In terms of entertainment, if the right measure of wrestling, psychology and storytelling are used, it can be really entertaining.
There's no reportedly about it. It's a ring with an inch of foam over wood with then a very thin canvas on top of it. It hurts to fall on. Be slammed on ect
Many years ago my cousin had taught people how to do pro wrestling and showed us a few moves that you would have hurt if really done to someone. I still remember a few moves tax wise in the states it is not a sport but entertainment.
Thankfully, Richard had a sensible reaction & assessment of the Paltrow thing. I had to force myself to continue listening once she was even brought up.
After watching wrestling almost every day for a good 25 years, I can't say it's always entertaining, but it's certainly addictive. It's like my nan and corrie, you dont actively like it all the time, but you'll be damned if you ever miss a show "just in case" something important happens
I’ve always said that women have soap operas and guys have wrestling. Granted, men and women are totally fine to watch either, but it’s a short and easy sentence to make to point out how enjoyable wrestling is.
“Nobody knows anything“ is such a great quote from the brilliant screenwriter William Goldman! He was talking about Hollywood and whether a film might succeed or not, but I think it applies to a lot of things in life!
Ah Marina ," Saying something completely wild and inappropriate", didn't think it was possible. Wow, You just get better and better. I can die happy now. Thankyou
Little Roland Barthes wrote a good essay on professional wrestling called "The World of Wrestling", in his collection Mythologies. Where he draws comparisons between wrestling and politics. Wrestling is also unusual, because in terms of entertainment. I can't think of another example where it all plays out in real time. Two years for the audience is the same two years for the wrestlers. They don't go "...TWO YEARS LATER" and have a wrestler return after being ran over by a van, due to his polyamory catching up with him. As well as the attempted vehicular manslaughter.
I have deliberately adopted the Americanism _"season"_ because it's just confusingly ambiguous to use the word _"series"_ to refer to both the whole and the constituent parts.
I knew Richard was going to say Would I Lie To You was the most improvised. It sort of has to be given how the interrogator responds to the person they're questioning. Likewise I knew he'd say Lee Mack was the fastest, he's clearly very quick witted. I can't believe it took me 13 years to discover it.
Thank you so much for respectfully discussing wrestling and for also mentioning AEW. A lot of people hear the word "wrestling" and scoff whilst other people immediately think "WWE", but professional wrestling is so much more than just WWE.
I'm not sure she's right though. I think it's just another Americanization. It's called a "season" in America because shows literally start airing during the summer or fall TV seasons all at roughly the same time. However, shows in the UK can start and end any time of the year, so "season" makes no sense. "Series" does makes sense because it's a grouping of episodes in a show that go together in a series. Both countries use "programme" or "show" for the whole thing, with US using "series" for the whole show as well.
It might be an Americanization, but it's one of the few that's an improvement. I think it's good to have separate words for the whole thing and the episodes that are released close to each other.@@dorianwilliams9586
Most enjoyable and thank you Richard for your comments on escape to the country. I'm south African but my grandparents on both sides came from Scotland and Wales so I enjoy the information given about the area in between the houses. I love House of Games.. Happy New Year 🎉
I highly recommend osw review. Its a RUclips channel featuring running commentary of old wrestling pay per views. Once you get into the in jokes... you're in for a treat!
Doctor Who used Season and Series to differentiate between Classic Doctor Who and 2005> Doctor Who, with the former referred to as Seasons 1, 2, 3, etc and the latter as Series 1, 2, 3 and so on. Which made sense and largely stopped any confusion, such as someone expecting to see a Matt Smith episode and instead getting Jon Pertwee. However when the show returns this year, it's being reset back to #1 again. Because reasons.🤷 So what we call the new episodes now, I have no clue. Volume?
I respect the skill wrestlers need to throw each other about, jump and cartwheel, etc. But those guys aren't being seriously hurt like a boxer or an MMA fighter. It's entertainment with a pre-agreed outcome.
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261 Amateur Wrestling is utterly different to Wrestling Entertainment. I've never seen a professional/amateur wrestler jump from a 20ft ladder onto the body of someone else, or another ladder or the floor. Have you heard of Chris Benoit? His brain was that of an 80 year old and severely damaged from the headbutts, chair shots and so forth that he gave and took throughout his Wrestling Entertainment Career. Look up Wrestling Entertainers who have passed away because of a Drug Overdose and the reason why they were taking them in the first place - it was because of injuries incurred in the ring. When people say Wrestling is fake - the storylines and characters are fake, but what happens in the ring is not. Heard of Droz? He was paralysed from the neck down by a move performed by D'Lo Brown. Look it up.
If Marina likes the SW Christmas special then she’ll love the equally overlooked Christmas album ‘Christmas in the stars’. So many classic tracks like ‘what do you get a wookie for christmas’
As someone who HAS been on Location Location Location - I couldn't "just pop down to the local estate agent". Now, I accept that my particular requirements list was not met by Just Another House... however most estate agents are only interested in selling you what's on _their_ books. .... "Motor Mad Ian from Edinburgh"
Had no idea what Marina sounded like, having loved her writing for years, but I did not think her voice would be like this. Knew the inflections would be those, but not the pitch. And I’m still smitten; perhaps more than before. 😊
Kurt angle obviously very well known professional wrestler and olympic gold medalist and won it with a broken neck so you know hes tough he said when he became a pro wrestler he didnt really know about it and just thought it was fake and everyone told him all his life it was fake and what he did was real but he said the first day he did training and took the in ring bumps he said it was one of the hardest things hes ever done and he felt like quitting after the first couple of days because it hurt so much just getting slammed over and over on a ring match which was like landing on a solid coffee table. But he stuck it out and he said it became his biggest passion in life because of how wrestling let you tell stories and you could tell them threw you're performance in the ring and the buzz of that was just something he loved(even tho he went on to break his neck 6 more times through out his career) so the physicality invovled is high and they gotta do it 3-4 days a week aswell.
As a pro wrestling fan there is a few videos, each an hour or so in length videos by a RUclipsr called supereyepatchwolf (interesting name i know) that go into the depths of what makes wrestling fascinating that id recommend should you not be able to sync the time into a book he's a very compelling storyteller and even if you are a fellow wrestling nerd like myself you'll likely get a kick out of it.
I hate that they talk so freely about Wrestling being fake these days and Wrestlers going on podcasts or whatever, talking about the backstage stuff. When i was a kid, we just watched it and enjoyed it without knowing all that stuff.
Yeah, I especially hate the post show press conferences or "media scrums" they do now. It's almost like airing a "making of" documentary right after a movie. They are utterly pointless, and completely kill the anticipation for upcoming storylines and feuds.
Not too sure if the pain being inflicted is real, unless of course wrestlers really don't know how to throw a punch. Pretty certain it's all acting geez.
@jakobthelibrarycard6261 It's really a mix of both. That ring they're on still isn't like landing on a fluffy cloud. Those chest slaps will still redden/tear the skin, and being thrown into a rail or whatever (while they make sure to land on it as safely as possible) is still landing on a rail. I'm not really a fan of it, by the way, but brain injuries from having chairs bashed over their heads (even if they're somewhat gimmicked) still leads to real brain injuries later in life.
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261they still need to connect. They still bump hard and yes they sell the pain but they have to take the hits. They are basically stuntmen but with no real protection and no second takes.
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261the moves are performed in such a way to minimise risk to the performers, but there is no way to jump off a ladder on to a table without it hurting
I forget which year it was ( perhaps in the 90s ) WWE actually went to court ( in either new York or New Jersey ) where they argued that their shows in arenas etc. were Entertainment events and not Sporting events. This was because the taxes , on tickets and on their revenue ( i think ) were lower for Entertainment events VS Sporting events. The cat was out of the bag. lol
As someone that religiously watches WWE and now also religiously watches this podcast, I can confirm that WWE is definitely not wrestling. But it sure is entertainment. Loved to hear both your opinions. Think you're the only 2 people who have made me not feel like an absolute freak for being so obsessed with it. Loving the pod
Of course Pro Wrestling is entertainment just as "real" sports are. And considering some think tosh like Love Island is entertaining I'd say wrestling is high brow in comparison.
Marina doesnt want to go on HIGNFY because she knows Ian will dive quite happily into her previous *extremely* close relationship with one Piers Morgan...
Do a whole wrestling episode. Dammit do a series, Interview Wrestletalk, What culture, wrestling with wreget, post wrestling, osw reviews and deffo interview Wrestle Me
Next podcast. Are men who think that female football pundits and co comms should not be analysing premier league football, right wing? As Marina’s paper suggested, and she implied. Lineker and Alistair Campbell ate rally raking it in with these podcasts
Is Osman the man to get wrestling back on British TV? Hook up with Rab Florence (Burnistoun etc) and get a weekly show going. If Gladiators can come back then maybe this can too (although don’t go down the WOS route as that has so much baggage it was doomed from the start)
with the location location location homeowners always lowballing their numbers the estate agents know they over price their houses because no one really knows how much a house should cost. but if that one person who does know how much it should cost sees it on tv and calls it out theyll look bad. i think if every landlord had to go on record publically to say what theyre charging and have B-roll footage of the room theyre renting out theyd all be giving 50% discounts
lol, the way you both pronounce "McMahon" is absolutely sending me into hysterics :D Traditionally it's pronounced "McMan" & I feel like this needs to be said, Vinnie Mac is.... not a good person. Ask Dr Martha Hart. One point I would like to make is that "WWE" & "pro wrestling" are not interchangeable. In fact, WWE no longer even calls itself pro wrestling, instead using the term "sports entertainment". WWE is undoubtedly the most recognizable & well-known brand but it represents only a tiny fraction of the larger industry. CMLL in Mexico is actually the world's oldest wrestling promotion, having been founded over 90 years ago. Pro wrestling, at it's best, borrows from every conceivable form of storytelling: mime, slapstick, vaudeville, theatre, film & music. It can be everything all at once. You can go from the most emotional & dramatic storylines where friends become enemies, enemies become friends & betrayal is just a steel chair shot to the back away, to absolute high farce & comedy. Professional wrestling isn't just entertainment, it's nothing short of the most complete form of entertainment in existence. Is it stupid ? Gloriously so. It's the stupidest & best thing in the world. To give you some idea of the breadth of stories possible in wrestling I'll provide these two examples: between 2019 & 2020 in the promotion All Elite Wrestling (AEW), The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega & Hangman Page told a sophisticated story that touched on toxic masculinity, jealousy, imposter syndrome, addiction & depression. It was at times funny, touching, melodramatic & shocking. On the other end of the scale, I once saw Kota Ibushi wrestle a match for Dramatic Dream Team Pro Wrestling (DDT Pro) in which he was tasked with escaping a multi-storey sex dungeon where each floor was guarded by a different sexual pervert that he needed to defeat.
I think they’re asking the wrong question. Because like me people who loved Pro-Wrestling. Most of them stop liking it at some point. For me it was when i was about 12.
22:56 but you never answered the question- I didn’t realize you Brits had switched… We’ve been calling them seasons within a series the whole time in the US; when did you also start calling them seasons?
I'm not convinced with that answer either. I think we started saying seasons informally about 10-15 years ago with the emergence of streaming services and dvd boxsets of US shows. Before that it was always series for UK shows, and probably still is predominantly
15-20 years ago, it caught on gradually. Until that time we'd usually get US TV shows months or even years late as our networks obtained the rights, but with the rise of live streaming, torrents and eventually OD services we basically adopted the US format for everything. We don't have seasons like US TV does, so we never used that term. The only thing broken up into seasons here are sports.
It's always interesting to hear Star Wars fans dumping on the Holiday Special (which is truly a cringeworthy watch) yet fail to acknowledge the cheesiness of the movies, the original in particular. Not saying it's unworthy of the love it receives, but nevertheless cheesy.
The original Star Wars wasn't cheesy at the time. It was a global phenomenon, and changed the movie industry forever, especially in the fields of visual effects and sound design. It won Academy Awards. The Holiday Special...not so much.
So often have my guard up when it comes to seemingly random conversations about Pro-Wrestling. But how could I expect Richard to not have a clear straight forward view of Kayfabe in Wrestling = Cannon in a TV series. Although this year it seems maybe Tony Khan has had his eye on the Jacksonville Jaguars a bit too much & not taken enough care with AEW either...Oh and a bit of hoopla with backstage "mishaps"
Not a snob, just like different things, I don't get why people like Lord Of The Rings or Star Wars or Eastenders... different strokes for different folks
If done properly it really is such and emotional and cool form of entertainment and when you can invest in a storyline and the characters just like you would a play or a movie then it really is enjoyable but it isn't for everyone and that's fine
In the list of the best ski resorts in the French Alps, the ski resort Tignes/Val d'Isère is top with 4.6 out of 5 stars (equal rating: Les 3 Vallées - Val Thorens/Les Menuires/Méribel/Courchevel). The largest ski resorts offer up to 600 kilometres of slopes (Les 3 Vallées - Val Thorens/Les Menuires/Méribel/Courchevel). The highest ski resorts for skiing in the French Alps extend up to an altitude of 3,842 metres (Aiguille du Midi (Chamonix)). And our tip for the best value for money is the ski resort Les 7 Laux - Prapoutel/Le Pleynet/Pipay val des airs culdrose see a shieron yes golden red tips pettles rise in rose paffumes
It's great how Marina can laugh and joke about all the hi-jinks she gets upto as a member of the gutter press - what japes, having to be blackmailed in order to not publicly out someone's sexuality! And she can hide behind the flippant "I'm just an idiot, ignore me"! She truly is the best of humanity.
The rock is not the biggest star in hollywood John cena is a way bigger star in hollywood he surpassed the rock get you’re facts right the rock is the most overhyped and overrated person I have ever seen
Wrestling rings are reportedly hard, and wrestlers are trained to minimise impact to each other, but things can go wrong, hence why wrestlers like Adam Copeland have broken their neck and needed surgery. In terms of entertainment, if the right measure of wrestling, psychology and storytelling are used, it can be really entertaining.
If it can draw a crowd then it's entertainment to at least those people. I couldn't call it a sport though -- which is usually the question -- because a sport has to be truly competitive, for me, rather than pre-arranged/scripted/etc. I see more comparisons with pantomine than anything else.
Wrestler Al Snow said that people have known it was fake since the 1930s, when newspapers stopped printing the results. However, that never stopped people going to watch it in the boom periods of the 60s and 70s in the territory system. Vince McMahon coined the phrase 'Sports Entertainment ' to get around the athletic commissions in America I believe, but it is an amalgamation of stunt choreography, pantomime and psychological storytelling. Chain wrestling is considered a technical marvel and can be a spectacle in itself, but it all has to drive the narrative of the story told in the ring to get the audience to pop. To that end, wrestling can be considered an art.
They get a lot of concussions as well. The wrestler who went mental, killed his family and then self supposedly had some traumatic brain injuries from wrestling.
I pitched a wrestling show to 'Dave' back in 2017, (they had Steve Austin's Broken Skull Ranch on every night at 9pm and had just done big numbers with a boxing event, so it wasn't... ya know... totally off brand). Perhaps almost unbelievably, they told me, "wrestling is too low brow". I got home that night, flicked on Taskmaster, to watch Josh Widdicombe literally counting beans.
I got more of an education from watching wrestling than I did from school or any other show on TV. 'Dave' shows a fat man in his pants to fill air time.
😂😂 sheesh
You display a stunning lack of insight into how television works. Probably a good thing your show didn't get picked up.
It got picked up by Channel 5 then off the back of that, I landed roughly 3,000 hours of programming. @@TheAcer4666
@@TheAcer4666 weird comment and ultra defensive. Do you work on one of these horrendous, lazy shows full of unfunny comedians being indulged?
Richard and Marina, I didn't expect wrestling to come up - but thank you!!!! I'm a life long wrestling fan and as soon as anyone who doesn't watch wrestling hears you like wrestling, the first thing they say is "You know it's fake, right?" - like after watching wrestling for over 35 years, as an adult I wouldn't know the entertainment I watch religiously was pre-determined. So yes, the outcomes are pre-determined, but the art of what goes into the performance is incredible. These aren't men stamping the ground and pretending to hit each other anymore. The in ring matches are often called in the ring, which even after all this time blows my mind; some of the spots are incredible. But it's also how they link those spots together. Being a wrestler is also about how you look and, even more importantly, how good you are on the mic and your promo skills. And, as I am sure someone has mentioned already, the injuries are very real. Some wrestlers get to come back after years away in rehab - like Adam Copeland, Bryan Danielson (who is one fo the best on the world in my extremely humble opinion). Some might come back - we're all hoping Big E will make a return. Some sadly become too injured to wrestle again. So yes, it is pre-determined who will take the pin, or submit. But the performance in the ring in usually called there and then and injuries are very real. That's sports entertainment. So again, thank you - we know it isn't real. We also know it isn't entirely fake. I've always rather thought of it this way - movies aren't real either.
Marina and Richard are so watchable and just a delight.. I can't remember the last time I hit subscribe so quickly and so hard.
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I'm a big WWE fan and I think this is why the algorithm plopped this on my recommendation page. Glad it did. All hail the algorithm.
Wrestling rings are reportedly hard, and wrestlers are trained to minimise impact to each other, but things can go wrong, hence why wrestlers like Adam Copeland have broken their neck and needed surgery. In terms of entertainment, if the right measure of wrestling, psychology and storytelling are used, it can be really entertaining.
There's a famous clip of Jim Cornette explaining pro wrestling to the Vice film crew. It's as simple as he says. Goody v Baddy.
There's no reportedly about it. It's a ring with an inch of foam over wood with then a very thin canvas on top of it. It hurts to fall on. Be slammed on ect
Many years ago my cousin had taught people how to do pro wrestling and showed us a few moves that you would have hurt if really done to someone. I still remember a few moves tax wise in the states it is not a sport but entertainment.
@@drwatsonca6945 Vince McMahon reportedly coined it sports entertainment to get around the athletic commissions.
Legitmately didn't expect to hear AEW mentioned in this, great stuff.
Well Richard is a Fulham fan
I've been bingeing these over the last few days. Very great.
Marina and Richard have such great chemistry ! I love this podcast
Thankfully, Richard had a sensible reaction & assessment of the Paltrow thing. I had to force myself to continue listening once she was even brought up.
After watching wrestling almost every day for a good 25 years, I can't say it's always entertaining, but it's certainly addictive. It's like my nan and corrie, you dont actively like it all the time, but you'll be damned if you ever miss a show "just in case" something important happens
I’ve always said that women have soap operas and guys have wrestling. Granted, men and women are totally fine to watch either, but it’s a short and easy sentence to make to point out how enjoyable wrestling is.
You don't actively like your nan all the time? 🤔😂
I was not expecting the Star Wars Holiday Special to get a mention 😂
I can confirm that some people do buy the houses on Escape to the Country. A friend in our village got hers that way!
The best part is unlike the states you are not stuck buying one of the homes.
I'm late to the party here, but have instantly subbed, as I'm dead keen to hear this Noel Edmonds and Keith Chegwin story!!
“Nobody knows anything“ is such a great quote from the brilliant screenwriter William Goldman! He was talking about Hollywood and whether a film might succeed or not, but I think it applies to a lot of things in life!
Ah Marina ," Saying something completely wild and inappropriate", didn't think it was possible. Wow, You just get better and better. I can die happy now. Thankyou
Loved your answers regarding the wrestling!
23:06 sidestepped that question. Never used to be called "season" in the uk, showing your relative youth there.
Little Roland Barthes wrote a good essay on professional wrestling called "The World of Wrestling", in his collection Mythologies. Where he draws comparisons between wrestling and politics.
Wrestling is also unusual, because in terms of entertainment. I can't think of another example where it all plays out in real time.
Two years for the audience is the same two years for the wrestlers. They don't go "...TWO YEARS LATER" and have a wrestler return after being ran over by a van, due to his polyamory catching up with him. As well as the attempted vehicular manslaughter.
I have deliberately adopted the Americanism _"season"_ because it's just confusingly ambiguous to use the word _"series"_ to refer to both the whole and the constituent parts.
I knew Richard was going to say Would I Lie To You was the most improvised. It sort of has to be given how the interrogator responds to the person they're questioning. Likewise I knew he'd say Lee Mack was the fastest, he's clearly very quick witted. I can't believe it took me 13 years to discover it.
Thank you so much for respectfully discussing wrestling and for also mentioning AEW.
A lot of people hear the word "wrestling" and scoff whilst other people immediately think "WWE", but professional wrestling is so much more than just WWE.
I’d been fighting the same issue, so the series and season clarification was a game changer, thank you.
I'm not sure she's right though. I think it's just another Americanization. It's called a "season" in America because shows literally start airing during the summer or fall TV seasons all at roughly the same time. However, shows in the UK can start and end any time of the year, so "season" makes no sense. "Series" does makes sense because it's a grouping of episodes in a show that go together in a series. Both countries use "programme" or "show" for the whole thing, with US using "series" for the whole show as well.
It might be an Americanization, but it's one of the few that's an improvement. I think it's good to have separate words for the whole thing and the episodes that are released close to each other.@@dorianwilliams9586
Most enjoyable and thank you Richard for your comments on escape to the country. I'm south African but my grandparents on both sides came from Scotland and Wales so I enjoy the information given about the area in between the houses.
I love House of Games..
Happy New Year 🎉
I highly recommend osw review. Its a RUclips channel featuring running commentary of old wrestling pay per views. Once you get into the in jokes... you're in for a treat!
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Have A Good Week... Till Next Week by John Lister is another good book on British wrestling from the World of Sport era.
21:59 yes!! The Wrestling is a brilliant book. As seen on Wrestle Me.
Doctor Who used Season and Series to differentiate between Classic Doctor Who and 2005> Doctor Who, with the former referred to as Seasons 1, 2, 3, etc and the latter as Series 1, 2, 3 and so on. Which made sense and largely stopped any confusion, such as someone expecting to see a Matt Smith episode and instead getting Jon Pertwee.
However when the show returns this year, it's being reset back to #1 again. Because reasons.🤷 So what we call the new episodes now, I have no clue. Volume?
As a trainee wrestler it hurts we just get used to the pain. It’s entertainment in certain aspects but mostly we are hurting each other for money
I respect the skill wrestlers need to throw each other about, jump and cartwheel, etc. But those guys aren't being seriously hurt like a boxer or an MMA fighter. It's entertainment with a pre-agreed outcome.
Jakob. If it’s so easy, how about you get in there and give it a go?
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261 I can name people who have had bones broken Steve Austin brock lesnar.
@@jafwilding Don't recall stating anywhere that it's easy. I used to do amateur wrestling though.
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261 Amateur Wrestling is utterly different to Wrestling Entertainment. I've never seen a professional/amateur wrestler jump from a 20ft ladder onto the body of someone else, or another ladder or the floor. Have you heard of Chris Benoit? His brain was that of an 80 year old and severely damaged from the headbutts, chair shots and so forth that he gave and took throughout his Wrestling Entertainment Career. Look up Wrestling Entertainers who have passed away because of a Drug Overdose and the reason why they were taking them in the first place - it was because of injuries incurred in the ring. When people say Wrestling is fake - the storylines and characters are fake, but what happens in the ring is not. Heard of Droz? He was paralysed from the neck down by a move performed by D'Lo Brown. Look it up.
If Marina likes the SW Christmas special then she’ll love the equally overlooked Christmas album ‘Christmas in the stars’. So many classic tracks like ‘what do you get a wookie for christmas’
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Fun trivia about that album: the track "R2-D2 We Wish You A Merry Christmas" is Jon Bon Jovi's first ever professional recording.
As someone who HAS been on Location Location Location - I couldn't "just pop down to the local estate agent". Now, I accept that my particular requirements list was not met by Just Another House... however most estate agents are only interested in selling you what's on _their_ books.
.... "Motor Mad Ian from Edinburgh"
I'll ask here but will also Google it, but why am I seeing podcasts named The Rest Is....?
Saturday morning tv is still alive with Saturday mashup on cbbc
Had no idea what Marina sounded like, having loved her writing for years, but I did not think her voice would be like this. Knew the inflections would be those, but not the pitch. And I’m still smitten; perhaps more than before. 😊
I like how "Is pro wrestling entertainment" is such a self-evidently stupid question, it's perfect as clickbait - a perfect title for this vid.
I thought Season was an American term as their shows run for so much longer, typically crossing seasons, whereas in the U.K., we have shorter series.
Yes.
What about Saturday morning tv for kids that isn’t live? Would have to condense the format, but maybe doable?
That’s a RUclips niche now.
Kurt angle obviously very well known professional wrestler and olympic gold medalist and won it with a broken neck so you know hes tough he said when he became a pro wrestler he didnt really know about it and just thought it was fake and everyone told him all his life it was fake and what he did was real but he said the first day he did training and took the in ring bumps he said it was one of the hardest things hes ever done and he felt like quitting after the first couple of days because it hurt so much just getting slammed over and over on a ring match which was like landing on a solid coffee table. But he stuck it out and he said it became his biggest passion in life because of how wrestling let you tell stories and you could tell them threw you're performance in the ring and the buzz of that was just something he loved(even tho he went on to break his neck 6 more times through out his career) so the physicality invovled is high and they gotta do it 3-4 days a week aswell.
Wrestling is entertainment. The wrestlers are performers/stunt men. Plus you have a story easily on the level of a Holyoaks.
If I worked at Endemol and helped bring Big Brother and Deal or Deal to TV, I'd shut the fuck up about what is or isn't entertainment
23:19 I have to state, I am British, for it is, and always will, be series.
As a pro wrestling fan there is a few videos, each an hour or so in length videos by a RUclipsr called supereyepatchwolf (interesting name i know) that go into the depths of what makes wrestling fascinating that id recommend should you not be able to sync the time into a book he's a very compelling storyteller and even if you are a fellow wrestling nerd like myself you'll likely get a kick out of it.
The WWE is entertainment... For 12 year olds. How adults can watch it & genuinely get excited is beyond me.
You didn’t mention Willian?
I hate that they talk so freely about Wrestling being fake these days and Wrestlers going on podcasts or whatever, talking about the backstage stuff. When i was a kid, we just watched it and enjoyed it without knowing all that stuff.
Yeah, I especially hate the post show press conferences or "media scrums" they do now. It's almost like airing a "making of" documentary right after a movie. They are utterly pointless, and completely kill the anticipation for upcoming storylines and feuds.
The outcomes in pro wrestling is pre-determined, but the pain they inflict on each other is very real.
Not too sure if the pain being inflicted is real, unless of course wrestlers really don't know how to throw a punch. Pretty certain it's all acting geez.
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It's really a mix of both. That ring they're on still isn't like landing on a fluffy cloud. Those chest slaps will still redden/tear the skin, and being thrown into a rail or whatever (while they make sure to land on it as safely as possible) is still landing on a rail.
I'm not really a fan of it, by the way, but brain injuries from having chairs bashed over their heads (even if they're somewhat gimmicked) still leads to real brain injuries later in life.
@@christopherpope961 Can't disagree with any of your comments. =)
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261they still need to connect. They still bump hard and yes they sell the pain but they have to take the hits. They are basically stuntmen but with no real protection and no second takes.
@@jakobthelibrarycard6261the moves are performed in such a way to minimise risk to the performers, but there is no way to jump off a ladder on to a table without it hurting
Is wrestling entertainment? It is for the person watching. Discussion over.
I forget which year it was ( perhaps in the 90s ) WWE actually went to court ( in either new York or New Jersey ) where they argued that their shows in arenas etc. were Entertainment events and not Sporting events. This was because the taxes , on tickets and on their revenue ( i think ) were lower for Entertainment events VS Sporting events. The cat was out of the bag. lol
Snooker table boy. One of the powers could be "147 break" where he breaks 147 of your bones before you get a chance to get out of your seat.
As someone that religiously watches WWE and now also religiously watches this podcast, I can confirm that WWE is definitely not wrestling. But it sure is entertainment. Loved to hear both your opinions. Think you're the only 2 people who have made me not feel like an absolute freak for being so obsessed with it. Loving the pod
If you were really a big WWE fan you wouldn't disrespect it by saying this
@bobshrubb3067 Do you wanna quiz me or something? You clearly aren't a wrestling fan, because you don't know what it's like being a wrestling fan.
Of course Pro Wrestling is entertainment just as "real" sports are. And considering some think tosh like Love Island is entertaining I'd say wrestling is high brow in comparison.
Richard is the only person I've seen praise Tony Khan but only because he wants to improve Fulham, not because AEW is good
Thank you for talking about wrestling with respect, I appreciate it. And Fulham are doing alright with Jiminez, I think you're OK for the season.
Marina doesnt want to go on HIGNFY because she knows Ian will dive quite happily into her previous *extremely* close relationship with one Piers Morgan...
'Why Don't You..?'
Do a whole wrestling episode. Dammit do a series, Interview Wrestletalk, What culture, wrestling with wreget, post wrestling, osw reviews and deffo interview Wrestle Me
This all but confirms Richard Osman Vs Roman Reigns/Marina Hyde Vs Rhea Ripley WM40 main events.
Next podcast. Are men who think that female football pundits and co comms should not be analysing premier league football, right wing? As Marina’s paper suggested, and she implied.
Lineker and Alistair Campbell ate rally raking it in with these podcasts
Is Osman the man to get wrestling back on British TV? Hook up with Rab Florence (Burnistoun etc) and get a weekly show going.
If Gladiators can come back then maybe this can too (although don’t go down the WOS route as that has so much baggage it was doomed from the start)
with the location location location homeowners always lowballing their numbers the estate agents know they over price their houses because no one really knows how much a house should cost. but if that one person who does know how much it should cost sees it on tv and calls it out theyll look bad. i think if every landlord had to go on record publically to say what theyre charging and have B-roll footage of the room theyre renting out theyd all be giving 50% discounts
lol, the way you both pronounce "McMahon" is absolutely sending me into hysterics :D Traditionally it's pronounced "McMan" & I feel like this needs to be said, Vinnie Mac is.... not a good person. Ask Dr Martha Hart. One point I would like to make is that "WWE" & "pro wrestling" are not interchangeable. In fact, WWE no longer even calls itself pro wrestling, instead using the term "sports entertainment". WWE is undoubtedly the most recognizable & well-known brand but it represents only a tiny fraction of the larger industry. CMLL in Mexico is actually the world's oldest wrestling promotion, having been founded over 90 years ago. Pro wrestling, at it's best, borrows from every conceivable form of storytelling: mime, slapstick, vaudeville, theatre, film & music. It can be everything all at once. You can go from the most emotional & dramatic storylines where friends become enemies, enemies become friends & betrayal is just a steel chair shot to the back away, to absolute high farce & comedy. Professional wrestling isn't just entertainment, it's nothing short of the most complete form of entertainment in existence. Is it stupid ? Gloriously so. It's the stupidest & best thing in the world. To give you some idea of the breadth of stories possible in wrestling I'll provide these two examples: between 2019 & 2020 in the promotion All Elite Wrestling (AEW), The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega & Hangman Page told a sophisticated story that touched on toxic masculinity, jealousy, imposter syndrome, addiction & depression. It was at times funny, touching, melodramatic & shocking. On the other end of the scale, I once saw Kota Ibushi wrestle a match for Dramatic Dream Team Pro Wrestling (DDT Pro) in which he was tasked with escaping a multi-storey sex dungeon where each floor was guarded by a different sexual pervert that he needed to defeat.
You know that wrestling is entertainment with a known outcome because bookies refuse to take bets.
NO. Succession for instance is the programme or show name. And the series is well which series it is ie. series 1, series 2. We aren't American.
Finally, the RUclips algorithm did something good.
Its what is inside the dress.
I think they’re asking the wrong question. Because like me people who loved Pro-Wrestling. Most of them stop liking it at some point. For me it was when i was about 12.
22:56 but you never answered the question-
I didn’t realize you Brits had switched…
We’ve been calling them seasons within a series the whole time in the US; when did you also start calling them seasons?
I'm not convinced with that answer either. I think we started saying seasons informally about 10-15 years ago with the emergence of streaming services and dvd boxsets of US shows. Before that it was always series for UK shows, and probably still is predominantly
15-20 years ago, it caught on gradually. Until that time we'd usually get US TV shows months or even years late as our networks obtained the rights, but with the rise of live streaming, torrents and eventually OD services we basically adopted the US format for everything.
We don't have seasons like US TV does, so we never used that term. The only thing broken up into seasons here are sports.
We don't.
@31.58 . Ive read it, several times over , it's brilliant, Read it! btw, I've lost my copy :(
Unlike this show! YES it is!
No, it’s just silly. Next question.
Having met Gok Wan once, I doubt very much whether he's ever said thank you to anyone, the arrogant ponce.
It's always interesting to hear Star Wars fans dumping on the Holiday Special (which is truly a cringeworthy watch) yet fail to acknowledge the cheesiness of the movies, the original in particular. Not saying it's unworthy of the love it receives, but nevertheless cheesy.
The original Star Wars wasn't cheesy at the time. It was a global phenomenon, and changed the movie industry forever, especially in the fields of visual effects and sound design. It won Academy Awards.
The Holiday Special...not so much.
If you have to ask if wrestling is entertainment , then it isn't for you.
If anyone thinks the pain in wrestling is fake, there's 2 words to say otherwise. Chris Benoit
It's disgraceful that nobody from WWE has ever been nominated for best actor.
Don 'The Mobster' Trump?
So often have my guard up when it comes to seemingly random conversations about Pro-Wrestling. But how could I expect Richard to not have a clear straight forward view of Kayfabe in Wrestling = Cannon in a TV series.
Although this year it seems maybe Tony Khan has had his eye on the Jacksonville Jaguars a bit too much & not taken enough care with AEW either...Oh and a bit of hoopla with backstage "mishaps"
Wrestling has one large problem , Injections that have ruined many a life .
Marina is knowledgeable, but very up her own arse.
Sasha Banks is entertainment. The rest aren’t
When the BBC meets the Guardian. A marriage made in hell.
I’ll tell you what isn’t entertainment. This podcast.
Lee mack 13:46 is more quantity than quality. I only like one in ten of his wise cracks. Can be quite irritating.
I must be a snob. I do not understand why anyone cares about wrestling.
Not a snob, just like different things, I don't get why people like Lord Of The Rings or Star Wars or Eastenders... different strokes for different folks
@@paulshaw9953 I'd watch a Royal Rumble over a turgid 3 hours of Lord of the Rings any day.
@@prappsy3028 amen to that
If done properly it really is such and emotional and cool form of entertainment and when you can invest in a storyline and the characters just like you would a play or a movie then it really is enjoyable but it isn't for everyone and that's fine
The highest paid person in the world of WWE is the choreographer.
Not even close
1. Get a bunch of lefty "comedians" to tell each other unfunny jokes and untrue stories.
@@juliansydney9819 you'd be surprised, and those roles do not proclude people from lying
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It's great how Marina can laugh and joke about all the hi-jinks she gets upto as a member of the gutter press - what japes, having to be blackmailed in order to not publicly out someone's sexuality! And she can hide behind the flippant "I'm just an idiot, ignore me"! She truly is the best of humanity.
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WWF WWE see hear comes the monies
Ah its pointless you want a question you cannot Answer what does the entire universe waight its got only one answer. What 75% see 2° tax
The rock is not the biggest star in hollywood John cena is a way bigger star in hollywood he surpassed the rock get you’re facts right the rock is the most overhyped and overrated person I have ever seen
Yes.
Wrestling rings are reportedly hard, and wrestlers are trained to minimise impact to each other, but things can go wrong, hence why wrestlers like Adam Copeland have broken their neck and needed surgery. In terms of entertainment, if the right measure of wrestling, psychology and storytelling are used, it can be really entertaining.
If it can draw a crowd then it's entertainment to at least those people. I couldn't call it a sport though -- which is usually the question -- because a sport has to be truly competitive, for me, rather than pre-arranged/scripted/etc. I see more comparisons with pantomine than anything else.
Wrestler Al Snow said that people have known it was fake since the 1930s, when newspapers stopped printing the results. However, that never stopped people going to watch it in the boom periods of the 60s and 70s in the territory system. Vince McMahon coined the phrase 'Sports Entertainment ' to get around the athletic commissions in America I believe, but it is an amalgamation of stunt choreography, pantomime and psychological storytelling. Chain wrestling is considered a technical marvel and can be a spectacle in itself, but it all has to drive the narrative of the story told in the ring to get the audience to pop. To that end, wrestling can be considered an art.
They get a lot of concussions as well. The wrestler who went mental, killed his family and then self supposedly had some traumatic brain injuries from wrestling.
@@heldinahtmlhell CTE. American football players suffer from that too reportedly.