Tying the (original) Grouse and Green wet fly
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2024
- From Taff Price's 1986 "Fly Tying, an International Guide to over 400 Patterns), the Grouse and Green is a classic old school, winged wet fly.
Hook: #8-14 wet fly
Thread: Black
Tail: Golden pheasant tippets
Rib: Gold tinsel
Body: Dyed green seal's fur (or a modern equivalent)
Throat: Brown hackle fibers
Wing: Grouse wing slips (or any mottled hen)
** Some of the popular books used on this channel: **
Fly Pattern Encyclopedia: amzn.to/34U0rUe
Mike Valla's "Tying the Founding Flies," 2015, amzn.to/354oSir
Valla's "Tying and Fishing Bucktails..." 2016, amzn.to/3Jg2Mys
Valla's "Tying Catskill-Style Dry Flies," 2020, amzn.to/3DmYOjJ
Valla's "Classic Streamer Fly Box," 2020, amzn.to/3n3Vakf
Dave Hughes, "Essential Trout Flies," 2017, amzn.to/3lbCZYX
Hughes, "Nymphs for Streams and Stillwaters," amzn.to/3HC2jpc
Hughes, "Wet Flies," 2015, amzn.to/33ac3lQ
David Klausmeyer's "Favorite Flies," 2020, amzn.to/3oeSNMa
Randle Scott Stetzer's "Flies, the Best One Thousand," amzn.to/34Q15mp
Terry Hellekson's "Popular Fly Patterns," 1976, amzn.to/2L4IyvS
Dick Stewart's, "Flies for Bass and Panfish," 1992, amzn.to/3aGpFs1
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Your tying videos are possibly the best on the platform. I love how you give background beforehand and go into depth on the materials as you go.
Keep up the great work.
One of my favourite flies. Started using it in the 1950’s and still use it today.
Holy cow, this is a great comment Donald! I love to hear of folks who have real, practical experience with the flies I only know from the books. So thank you for this note my friend. :-)
That's one of my favorite things to do, swinging a wet fly. Thanks for the video, Matt
You bet Dave! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Hi Matt. Lots of folks having coffee and watching you make bugs. Life is good! I’ve been tying lots of flats stuff over the winter, but you bring me back to the trout stream. Cheers.
Well thank you for the kind words Tom! I guess I'm mostly a trout guy based on where I live. I would love to chase some saltwater fish in the flats, but that might have to wait until I retire and can take some vacations in Florida. :-)
@@SavageFlies Hey Matt. I’m a freshwater guy mostly, panfish, bass, trout, anything really. Once I started with a fly rod and caught fish I’ve been hooked since. Hence my being bitten a bit early by the bonefish bug - a very potent bug too and a whole new world opened up! My wife just shakes her head at my obsession as long as the honey do is honey done.
Good morning Matt. Enjoying my morning ☕️and watching your video. Hope the rest of your week goes well and have a great weekend. Take care Matt.
Well thank you John! It's been a long week and just got back from NC for a funeral. Trying to catch up on some comments and see if I can find the motivation to tie something tonight. I might just lay on the couch and take the night off though. :-) I hope you had a great weekend my friend.
@@SavageFlies Funerals are difficult especially if you have a long travel to and from. I can’t blame you if you take the night off. You always seem to have something on the go.
@@SavageFlies Funerals are difficult especially if you have a long travel to and from. I can’t blame you if you take the night off. You always seem to have something on the go.
My how fly tying has change over 67 yrs never had to wear a. Tie nice job matt
Hahaha! But 67 years ago I think all gentlemen wore ties every day. At least that's what the pictures in old books makes us think. :-)
Looks like a fish catcher. I admit to a fondness for wet flies, not just because they have been effective at catching, but also I enjoy the rhythm of the cast & swing & retrieve
Yes Bob, there must be some serious allure to the rhythmic method of swinging wet flies. Of course it would be more fun when it's working. Hope you're doing well. I saw an email from you- and yes, I've actually watched that chess channel. That young lady is pretty amazing!
Wet flies have done quite well for me. I started with streamers and then wet flies next. It was a while before I got to dry flies and finally nymphs.
Re: the chess player. She has an advantage. Both parents are grandmasters.
Nice one natt. I like the old school wet patterns.
Well thank you Mike! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Great fly! I've been watching a lot of videos lately about swinging wet flies so your video is timed perfectly for me. As always, thanks for your great content!
Well thank you for the note! Back in the spring I was on a mission to become a better wet fly fisherman. I had a couple of decent days doing it but have a long way to go still. :-)
Great job on that fly Matt. Thanks for posting!
Well thank you Daryl! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Great pattern. This fly is also shown in Mike Dawes' , "The Flytier's Manual". This traditional pattern can be tied in many colors and is a really great wet fly. I learned to flyfish by wet fly fishing because when I started my casting was terrible and wet fly fishing hid my sins. Thanks for the video and history.
Ed, great comment; thank you! I do have both of Mike Dawes' books so will definitely check it out. I love when folks educate me in the comments here. Especially if they reference a book that's already on my shelf. :-)
Gidday Matt. Cool looking fly. Thankyou.
Well thank you Ken!
Hi Matt! I dig the green pattern a lot! I find that green tends to land me more strikes. Thank you for sharing! Tight lines! 😎🎣
You got it my friend! Appreciate the note. :-)
Another nice one Matt appreciate the lesson. This one’s definitely on my list. Have a blessed day my friend.
Well thank you! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Very nice jig
That is a great looking fly
Appreciate it John! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Interesting color combo. Nice fly. Thanks for the video!
Appreciate it! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Nice fly. I just love tying and fishing with wet flies. I fish them more than anything else. I fish wets and nymphs often in similar ways. I get bored with people who don't even kbow what they are, and how pleasant and exciting they care tp fish.. :-)
Yes! Great comment. I'm kind of similar and that I'll fish a generic wet fly like a nymph sometimes, but I don't often go the other way and swing regular nymphs. Though I have caught a few fish with a prince nymph when I was about to pull it out and was lifting it through the water like a wet fly. :-)
Perfect way to start the morning! Love seeing you tie and teach us about these oldies. Thanks Matt.
Well thank you Garrett! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Nice looking wet fly Matt, thaks.
Appreciate it Joe! Hope you had a great weekend. I just got back in town and am trying to catch up on a week's worth of comments. Fun times, but this is the double-edged sword of having a channel that's still growing. I love interacting with everybody here but it's starting to take longer and longer these days! :-)
@@SavageFlies keep the faith!
Topnotch fly. Thx Matt!!
Well thank you Clyde! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Coffee time with Matt,
Always looking forward to what your doing nicely done 😉👍
Well thank you Jim! I just got back in town from NC. (No fishing, it was an uncle's funeral. So no video today unless I can find the motivation to make one tonight. But I might just take the night off. :-) )
Nice! Thank you!
Nice 👍🏻 Tie Guy 🎉
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Haha! Thanks Brian. :-)
Like that Double - Meaning, do Ya EH !!!
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You are definitely right about seal fur being hard to work with. It does however have a shiny look in the water that triggers fish into biting. I haven’t tied this particular pattern but I was wondering if a guy couldn’t use a dubbing loop. Either way thanks for sharing.
I like to think of seals fur as the antron of its day.
Yes!! I hadn't thought about that until reading these comments but I think you're 100% right. :-)
Angora is an excellent substitute for seal's fur. :-) Easily available as well.
I like angora, it is a bit more coarse a fiber than seal, but it spins very well and blends very well with stuff like ice dub. I like it best on larger flies, like leeches, buggers, stoneflies, streamers, and crayfish. But! I think folks used fish bigger wet flies as well as small. I think sizes ranged 4-14. It’s my goal this year to try swinging some bigger wet flies and see how they do.
Another great comment my friend! Yes, angora goat is also challenging, but a lot easier to find. I have experimented with Euro Seal dubbing which is similar enough. But I have no idea what that's even made out of. :-)
How you doing Sir Matt? It's after 11 pm and finally was able to see the video of theGrouse and Green. It's totally awesome. Real seals fur is hard to come by isn't it. I would sure like to get my hands on some someday. Beautiful Fly,Great Tie and video. Thank you Sir Matt, till next time my friend.😊
Well thank you Edward! It's been a long week here and I'm just trying to catch up on some comments. I hope you're doing well! Regarding real seal's fur, it is hard to find. I got some from this seller on Etsy but it doesn't look like he has a lot left. www.etsy.com/listing/962348680/authentic-wet-fly-and-salmon-fly-natural For a close substitute, you can try Euro Seal dubbing. It's a lot easier to get! www.flyshack.com/DisplayItem.aspx?ItemID=23258
Please excuse the rookie question-would a dubbing loop help tame the seal fur? Beautiful fly!
Yes Ed! It probably would have, and I should have probably considered trying a dubbing loop. But it also might have been a good bit more work for only a little bit more cleanliness. So I'm not entirely sure. :-)
Love the old classic wet fly. I'm wondering since seal is so hard to apply to the thread that maybe a dubbing loop would be good in this situation. . Thanks for another awesome tying video Matt
Yep, I think that would be a great call David! I would have been better trying that but sometimes I forget, or just get lazy. :-)
Hey Matt, I'm glad to see how you did with the dubbing. I have some ice dubbing that I really like, and I think it's rabbit, but it's very hard to dub onto the thread, I was wondering if there was some kind of trick to this dubbing, but after watching you I realize that some dubbing is just difficult to work with. It's things like this is what I like to see as to how other tiers deal with these challenges. Thanks Matt. 👌
Try putting sparse pinches on top of each other, that sometimes helps. I take a very sparse amount of coarse dubbing and dub it onto the thread (don’t worry if it looks thin, or long, or like it’s just a tiny bit of fibers coiled around the thread), and then I take a second sparse amount and kind of fold and dub it around the first to kind of lock it onto the thread. Repeat if necessary.
Jim, good question, and great response Mungo! Sometimes I just overdo the wax and lick my fingers when trying to get the dubbing to stick to the thread. But you're still right- some materials are just hard to put on thread. :-)
Nice! Is there any advantage to seal fur as dubbing?
I really don't know if there is an advantage to seal's fur! I know the old timers seemed to have used it all the time. Maybe it just holds its color well when wet? I know wool and other naturals tend to get darker when wet, but it seems to me that seals fur would act a bit more like synthetic. But I'm totally guessing here. :-)
Hey Matt. I am the host and producer of the Everyman Upland podcast. I was wondering if you’d be willing to come on the show to talk about upland game, waterfowl, and fur game materials that we can be using out of our game bags.
Sure, I'll consider! If I think I know enough about what I'm talking about. :-) Just send me an email and we can chat. matt@savageflies.com
Hi matt digging that caddis green necktie when is it due to hatch seals fur was used because of its fogginess. Very translucent when wet. Fished 3 wets down and across for fifty years because they work. 😊
Burt, great comment! Someone else in the comments asked me what the advantage was and I really didn't know. So thank you for educating us! I hope you had a great weekend my friend. :-)
Nice! I wanted to learn how to tie this style of wing to experiment with my own patterns, but you sure make it look easy. When you say "right" and "left" feather do you mean the right and left side of the same feather? Or from the same corresponding spot from the right wing and left wing? Also, can you give some other specific feathers that will work for this (I got pheasant hen and grouse, but what are the "other upland birds" you mentioned)?
Great question! And a right and left means the latter. You have two wings, and take a feather from roughly the same spot on each, so they look kind of the same, but symmetrically opposites. And then take a slip from roughly the same area on each. As for upland game birds, I always take that to mean the birds (aside from ducks) that hunters hunt for. Pheasant is the main one, but quail, partridge, grouse, maybe woodcock and I think doves would qualify as well.
Thanks!@@SavageFlies
I use dubbing loop on seel fur dubbing
Yep Glenn, that's probably a better technique. Thanks for the note my friend!