What's With All Those Dents In Ship Hulls?

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Комментарии • 693

  • @cleverusername9369
    @cleverusername9369 10 дней назад +164

    Ryan loves the abrupt "end of video" joke and I'm always here for it

  • @brucelytle1144
    @brucelytle1144 10 дней назад +309

    I've watched brand spanking new ships go to sea for sea trials, all sleek and smooth. They all come back from 3 days of sea trials, all oil canned!
    It just everything 'settling' in to place.😊

    • @rizash
      @rizash 10 дней назад +9

      Was just thinking about this…. Imagine ships with ice breaker hulls…. The hull shrinks in the cold, and steel under tension is strong, but deep sub zero steel is brittle. I wonder how they prevent ships that serve in heat and ice from having major hull issues.

    • @BrokenLifeCycle
      @BrokenLifeCycle 10 дней назад +25

      @@rizash A better grade in steel alloy and/or heat treatment meant for those temperature ranges. Thicker than average plating. Extra structural members behind the ice breaking side.

    • @brucelytle1144
      @brucelytle1144 10 дней назад +7

      @@rizash The steel that is used for building ship hulls varies tremendously, according to intended use.
      I've never worked on an ice breaker, but I would guess that the bow and along the waterline would be similar to armor plating. Most ice breakers work by riding up on the ice and use the weight and inertia of the ship to break the ice from the top, vs cutting through it. I can't confirm, but it seems as though I read an article about a breaker that had a large weight they rode up on the ice with it placed aft, to raise the bow, then once atop the ice, it was brought forward to help break through with it's weight added to the bow. Kinda like the Dahli in Baltimore with an Interstate Highway on it.

    • @aserta
      @aserta 10 дней назад +8

      It's not just settling, it's also flexing. I've been on both short and long boats and while you don't "see" it on short boats, they flex as well. On long boats... oh boy, ever been in an empty metro? :))
      When that happens, the resistance the boat has against it is in part because of the skin acting like "lattice" between frames and horizontal segments (name escapes me atm). So it "crumples" and deforms as a result, because it stretches diagonally and makes a "belly" as a result.
      One place one can see this all the time, old bug doors or frames. The older it gets, the more "belly" it has, it's also why old doors that aren't fit anymore crack their windows.

    • @sharonnicholson3393
      @sharonnicholson3393 10 дней назад +1

      Now we solved that issue why do we call it spanking new

  • @SB-iy7ls
    @SB-iy7ls 10 дней назад +74

    When you said 4ft of the spacing it really help but the size of the ship into perspective.

  • @madamscustoms
    @madamscustoms 10 дней назад +145

    Working as a ship fitter at BIW, brand new destroyers have this issue. Years ago this was fixed by straightening all bulkheads by using a fine spray of water and a heat from a torch. This would straighten the ripples in the bulkheads. This is still done, but only on badly warped or rippled bulkheads.

    • @rickjames8317
      @rickjames8317 10 дней назад +35

      Yep, I worked Dept. O9 at the yard in the mid 2000s and I only ever saw the weather deck plating being straightened. I assume because indentations would make a puddle and/or a tripping hazard.
      A bunch of the old timers I talked to said that the Arleigh Burke DDG-51 was beautifully smooth. Apparently, they flame straightened everything for the first run of ships. I'm sure it got cut for cost.
      Keep up the good work, brotha'.
      Bath Built Is Best Built! 🇺🇸

    • @thejohnbeck
      @thejohnbeck 10 дней назад +8

      Bath Iron Works?

    • @ronsamborski6230
      @ronsamborski6230 10 дней назад +8

      Thanks for what you guys did at Bath Iron Works. I was a sailor for a couple years on U.S.S. Preble DDG-46, and I’m sure you didn’t work on that particular ship, but Preble was built at BIW way back when. The tin can fleet owes a hearty salute to all the shipyard workers and engineers who turn out great ships. 🫡 🇺🇸 ⚓️

    • @aserta
      @aserta 10 дней назад +9

      Until they invent a metal that can stretch and regain its shape, this isn't so much an issue as it is a design choice. You could most definetly make a rigid enough ship to not have oil canning, but do you want to? - is the question.
      The more they travel, the more stretch they get, until the "belly" between frames reaches its max potential and it just exists there. Oil canning are ... essentially tiger stripes on boats - for the same reason we have them as well. Moving about, the skin stretches between rigid portions.

    • @h17matt
      @h17matt 10 дней назад +11

      I worked @ BIW in the early '80s in production planning department - some of the "oil canning" is caused by welding heat shrinkage (the heat makes the metal shrink and pucker). I worked with the IHI (Japanese) consultants on flame straightening / bending techniques. We watched them lay out and form a piece of shell plating with nothing more than a torch, a water hose, and some wedges/sledgehammer in less time than the yard guys could do it with the 3-roller bending press. Took incredible skill and lots of experience to do that.

  • @wampuscat7433
    @wampuscat7433 10 дней назад +68

    You can see similar oilcanning on the fuselage of the B-52s still in service.

    • @charlesball6519
      @charlesball6519 10 дней назад +6

      I was stationed at Barksdale AFB from 2002-2005. They said it was designed this way, as flying high up in altitude, the pressurized cockpit will even those wrinkles out.

    • @AJS86
      @AJS86 10 дней назад +5

      A lot of aircraft get it.

    • @jamesburns2232
      @jamesburns2232 10 дней назад +6

      The wings on a B-52 "flap" in flight. The wing tips move up and down.
      If they didn't flap, turbulence would cause them to break off. 🤠

    • @AJS86
      @AJS86 10 дней назад +11

      @jamesburns2232 pretty sure that's most aircraft. Wing has to be strong but flexible.
      Especially at the tip when there's no winglet or fence.

    • @aserta
      @aserta 10 дней назад +1

      Mesh doors have it too. Same reason. Rigid framing for a thin skin + movement = stretch and deformation in the skin. It's actually part of the design in most applications of this methodology. I might have it wrong, because this is just based on what i've visually seen, but i think in some parts of airframes, they specifically reinforce (extra fabric - fiberglass or carbon or whatever they may use) the edges leaving an oval shape of lesser material towards the center of the "segment" to allow it to buckle and move rather than be rigid and crack.
      It's also the reason why long, lloooooooong boats, when you look down the centerline in rough seas look like a 3D variant of the empty metro, bending and twisting ... but not breaking apart (like they used to, for example, on the great lakes, where many a boat was lost because they were too rigid).

  • @cjford2217
    @cjford2217 10 дней назад +46

    Jersey is a welded ship. Welding causes heat distortion, so some of this could date all the way back to construction.

    • @davea4245
      @davea4245 8 дней назад +4

      I've seen "oil canning" on bulkheads on the cargo holds and engine rooms. I've worked 3 decade in shipbuilding and I have questions about his explanation.
      Also I've never heard of any ship with 48 inch frame spacing. I guess it might happen however I've only seen ships with 36 inch frame spacing. Even the metric blueprints I expected 1 metre space however the print where 9144 mm 🙄

    • @vibratingstring
      @vibratingstring 7 дней назад

      ​@@davea4245 haha on 9144.
      There is no single frame spacing. We choose frame spacing to optimize structural efficiency balanced with cost considerations.

    • @ricks_talented_tongue
      @ricks_talented_tongue 3 дня назад +1

      I believe he is partially right but welding full frames and longs on military ships is a large cause of distortion, after all strength not appearance is what they want..

  • @squangan
    @squangan 10 дней назад +48

    As a non nautical person I had always assumed this was from heavy waves battering the sides of ships over the years and pushing the metal in between the supporting ribs. I’m glad to finally know what the real cause of it is.

    • @SeSmokki
      @SeSmokki 9 дней назад +4

      As a person who uses RUclips often, I also guessed that would be the case.

    • @brianlinton910
      @brianlinton910 9 дней назад +3

      I’m still going with the atmospheric and physical pressure changes over the giant invisible thumb chasing ships… 😂

    • @justbrowsing6327
      @justbrowsing6327 8 дней назад +2

      Yep I thought the same.

    • @GlenMartin
      @GlenMartin 7 дней назад +3

      You are actually also correct. Not heard it called 'Oil canning' before, maybe its an Americanism? We UK seafarers call this 'panting' and it refers to the flexing in and out like an oil can when a ship is making way in large seas. If you Google Panting in ships, it will describe exactly this

    • @vibratingstring
      @vibratingstring 7 дней назад +1

      You are correct. ( I am a nav arch. ) Look at the hungry horse appearance along the waterline that is hydro loading. The sup.side of the new ship is weld shrink and possibly some global deflection induced buckling.

  • @cogboy302
    @cogboy302 10 дней назад +81

    I was in Bristol, UK, in 1988 at a military show day.
    The Royal Navy were there with the Sea Cadets in a smallish craft. About the size of a Coastguard Cutter. Whilst trying to navigate the lock system, they made a massive cock up, and backed it hard into the concrete dockside, which put a rather spectacular dent in the transom on one corner. The kind of dent which doesn't buff out.
    Oops.
    They didn't stick around for everyone to see.
    Someone got a major bollocking after that little bump.

    • @robertboykin1828
      @robertboykin1828 10 дней назад +8

      put a big suction cup onit and it may pop out..

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 10 дней назад +3

      Haha wow, sounds like you saw Troutbridge come in to dock!

    • @davidncw4613
      @davidncw4613 10 дней назад +12

      I saw cops smash one of their twin merc 250 outboards by backing in to a piling. My laughter resulted in a rather hostile safety inspection.

    • @damkayaker
      @damkayaker 10 дней назад

      @@davidncw4613 Were they state cops? They 're the most fragile egotistical tyrants.

    • @robertthomas5906
      @robertthomas5906 10 дней назад +2

      There's a saying in the USN. If your ship runs a ground, so does your career. Same with running into a dock and causing damage.
      Funny thing. We were at lunch and I asked if one of the Nuclear Carriers ran a ground. I forget which one. It turned out that carrier had run a ground in California. It caused a lot of damage. He went on to tell me what happened to that guy.

  • @ytlas3
    @ytlas3 10 дней назад +45

    USS Peleliu LHA 5 came into LBNSY for some finishing work shortly after being constructed. When work was completed she was homeported at Long Beach Naval Station. She went on a cruise into Alaskan waters and encountered 50 foot waves (or higher), some crashing into her superstructure. When she came back she had those marks all over her superstructure.

    • @geronimo5537
      @geronimo5537 10 дней назад +3

      yeah I always thought it was caused by waves hitting the ship over time

    • @barryscott6222
      @barryscott6222 10 дней назад +1

      Exactly - water hammer

    • @warrenpuckett4203
      @warrenpuckett4203 9 дней назад +3

      I was on the FFG 37 in the Gulf of Alaska during a September storm. A roller coaster was a tame ride after that.

  • @chadhartsees
    @chadhartsees 10 дней назад +136

    I've wondered this forever. Sorry for being one of the 1,000 people asking about it! LOL.

    • @Varangian_af_Scaniae
      @Varangian_af_Scaniae 10 дней назад +14

      If people didn't ask questions Ryan's job would be much harder. Finding topics for one video per day is not an easy feat.

    • @bebo4807
      @bebo4807 10 дней назад

      Did you really laugh out loud? I doubt it.

    • @Michael_Brock
      @Michael_Brock 10 дней назад +1

      A sailor got angry, and went psycho with a power hammer. Simples i dont think.
      But funny image to me!

    • @ronsamborski6230
      @ronsamborski6230 10 дней назад +1

      @@Michael_Brock Yep, Popeye after downing too much spinach! 😃

    • @aserta
      @aserta 10 дней назад +1

      @@ronsamborski6230 Popeye eating some rotten spinach and having a bit of a backwards burp. :))

  • @Gunners_Mate_Guns
    @Gunners_Mate_Guns 9 дней назад +8

    I served on a Charles F. Adams-class guided missile destroyer and on a Knox-class frigate, and the oil-canning was immediately apparent all the way down the hull, especially right at or above the waterline.
    I had (apparently incorrectly) believed that this was from water repeatedly striking the steel over the years that caused it over time.
    Yet again, I learn something new thanks to this excellent channel.

  • @sonnypruitt6639
    @sonnypruitt6639 10 дней назад +22

    My father had one of those oil cans is the garage when I was a kid. It would make a "dunk ah dunk ah" sound when you used it. I haven't thought about that can until just now, watching this video.

    • @bebo4807
      @bebo4807 10 дней назад

      I used those oil cans when I was a kid. They were round. I don’t know what Ryan is talking about with the triangle shape.

    • @sonnypruitt6639
      @sonnypruitt6639 10 дней назад +3

      @@bebo4807 They were funnel shaped, I guess that's what he meant to say. 🤔

    • @bebo4807
      @bebo4807 10 дней назад +4

      Not the oil cans I used. They were a half sphere with a flat bottom with a spout in the center. You depress the flat part with your thumb and out comes the oil.

    • @RobertCunningham-cw4bv
      @RobertCunningham-cw4bv 10 дней назад

      Exactly 👍​@@bebo4807

    • @fredbrandon1645
      @fredbrandon1645 10 дней назад

      ??? I still use several out in my shop... as well as a couple of thumb pumps. But then i do know how to use hand and machine tools

  • @bruces1g
    @bruces1g 10 дней назад +19

    Ryan, I think a lot of us would be interested in how you became the Curator of the New Jersey. What kind of career path did you take? How were you educated in relation to the ship? What was your journey to the BB New jersey?

    • @danielbowman4395
      @danielbowman4395 10 дней назад +6

      The video was 3 yrs ago-
      How to become a ship museum curator.

  • @jth877
    @jth877 10 дней назад +27

    I was just there on Saturday, and while you can explain the bilge keel dings, the bow ones were not explained. At least tracked to known incident.
    The hull pitting (all dead rust) was quite surprising. I assume most of that came from being in storage. I had very strong urge to start welding the pits back up and grinding them smooth. I wonder how that effects hydrodynamics.
    It was a great experience, and I was able to see a Tico and CV67.

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 10 дней назад

      It actually makes the ship go faster!

    • @ronsamborski6230
      @ronsamborski6230 10 дней назад +2

      @@tedmoss Is that like the dimples on a golf ball? 😃

  • @davidb.fishburn9338
    @davidb.fishburn9338 10 дней назад +16

    It's very common on the Great Lakes freighters. There's youtube channels that show these ships going in/out of Duluth and other harbors, and the Soo Locks. You can see the oilcanning on them in the videos.

  • @rickashcroft8226
    @rickashcroft8226 10 дней назад +17

    Also referred to as "hungry horse" because it looks like you can see the ribs...

    • @Akm72
      @Akm72 10 дней назад +3

      Ah, thanks for posting. That's what I was told it was called years ago. Thanks for confirming my memory!

  • @butchs.4239
    @butchs.4239 10 дней назад +52

    I've always considered the term "oil canning" to be related to the old metal and paper cylindrical oil cans used before the switch to plastic packaging. You'd stab an oil spout through the top of the can and when emptying it the bottom would pop in and out as air replaced the oil as it drained from the can.

    • @LenKusov
      @LenKusov 10 дней назад +15

      Fun fact, you can actually still buy oil in cans like that, BUT only if your daily driver has a turbine engine. For whatever reason, jet/gas turbine oil still comes in cans, so if you daily an M1 Abrams or a Cirrus VisionJet you still gotta have the funky little spout.

    • @rogerwhiting9310
      @rogerwhiting9310 10 дней назад

      Me too

    • @wbstaple8387
      @wbstaple8387 10 дней назад +12

      The oil cans he is talking about are quite old. Using them made a cool "poink" noise as you oiled, clicking your thumb in and out on the thin metal bottom. My grandfather had one back in the 70's and we would play with it as kids.

    • @DK-gy7ll
      @DK-gy7ll 10 дней назад +12

      @@wbstaple8387 Ever time I hear about those oil cans I think of the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz.

    • @oldfarmer4700
      @oldfarmer4700 10 дней назад +9

      I still have my old oil spout I used years ago. It got put in the tool box thinking someday the plastic containers wouldn’t be used any more and the cans would be back. I looked at it a couple years ago thinking I should just throw it away but I wiped it off and put it back.

  • @speleotrog
    @speleotrog 10 дней назад +6

    As someone else pointed out, these deformations are commonly called "hungry horse". While heating from sunlight may be an issue, these distortions look like plate yielding due to wave slam loading - huge dynamic seawater pressures from wave impacts in high seas exacerbated on flared bows where the plating deforms, plastically, to a more stable and resistant bent or curved shape. It's not usually considered "damage" unless it significantly decreases performance or results in bent framing or stiffeners. Navy ship bows (aircraft carriers, in particular, which can be severely flared) have been destroyed by wave slam in severe storms. Similar, but less severe, distortions also reflect weld-bead shrinkage during hull construction on the internal side of thin plating, which unavoidably pulls the plate to the inside ... they are pretty much always seen on thinner plating.

    • @geronimo5537
      @geronimo5537 10 дней назад +1

      yeah I always thought it was caused by waves hitting the ship over time

    • @ColonelSandersLite
      @ColonelSandersLite 10 дней назад

      @@geronimo5537 I'm sure that this *can* cause it to some degree or deepen existing oil canning by stretching out the metal. That being said, you can find pictures of oil canning on ships that are still under construction and haven't even touched a wave yet.
      For instance, search up 'DDG 123 under construction Ingalls Shipbuilding'. You can find a picture of her port bow before she was launched and you'll see some pretty pronounced oil canning going on.
      There are ways to eliminate oil canning. Both to minimize its formation during welding and to correct it after the fact. That being said, I don't think anyone considers it to be a priority on warships. No one goes to go to the work and expense to do anything about it.
      If you want to know more about those sorts of techniques, you can find accessible versions looking into videos by guys that do sheet metal work on custom cars. Same principles, just at a smaller scale.

  • @andrewe4277
    @andrewe4277 10 дней назад +3

    I have noticed for many years and have always wondered what the real explanation was. Thank you Ryan for what you are doing to educate all of us.

  • @barneymagee3285
    @barneymagee3285 10 дней назад +6

    Usually caused by the welding, it can be rectified by applying heat on the opposite side , but there is a knack to this , and it will burn off the paint inside and out, as well as take a lot of time.

  • @davidpowell5437
    @davidpowell5437 10 дней назад +2

    I've noticed this so many times that I realised that it probably wasn't grounds for concern, but then I assumed it was the result of heavy weather...
    Thanks from the UK for straightening that one out!

  • @Marc83Aus
    @Marc83Aus 10 дней назад +8

    Its speed ripples, the indentations capture vortexes of turbulent water which reduces friction over the hull. Those WWII submarines were so advanced!

    • @misdangered4326
      @misdangered4326 3 дня назад

      They make a big difference. You can’t waterski off the back without these speed ripples…

  • @DavidSmith-cx8dg
    @DavidSmith-cx8dg 10 дней назад +5

    It is something I often wondered about . It's almost universal on modern ships and I assumed nothing anyone worried about . Thanks to Ryan I've found out . Certainly on the older ships that were riveted and much more heavily built I never noticed much .

  • @abcde_fz
    @abcde_fz 5 дней назад +1

    Did you say "...if you visit my old Torsk down in Baltimore"? Almost my home town. (Baltimore County resident 56 years.) This was a cool trivia video. I've wondered about 'oil canning' for many years, but it was on YT that I finally learned the answer! I don't think I would have guessed it was expansion from repeated exposure to sunlight/darkness, but it sure as hell explains it simply enough!

  • @fsj197811
    @fsj197811 10 дней назад +5

    Interesting. I wouldn't have thought those vertical lines were 4' apart. As always, thanks for sharing.

  • @stefstaf
    @stefstaf 9 дней назад

    Thank you for answering a years-long question I had about these distortions. My best guess up until now was from the years of hammer-chipping to remove the old paint.

  • @soteriamediaproductions6165
    @soteriamediaproductions6165 7 дней назад +2

    Heat expansion is true. I used to be a welder at Newport News shipbuilding, and carriers are built in sections in various places throughout the yard. These sections come to the dry dock already canned. This is from the skin being welded to the frame. A tremendous amount of heat is introduced from welding in that square pattern, so to speak, causing that effect.

  • @TheSpaceEnthusiast-vl6wx
    @TheSpaceEnthusiast-vl6wx 10 дней назад +3

    Thanks as always! As other people have said, I have wondered this for years! For me at least, in my opinion, it makes the battleship (and other ships) look cool.

  • @robertpoore7604
    @robertpoore7604 10 дней назад +1

    Thanks Ryan for this information. Great explanation.

  • @chrismetevier9396
    @chrismetevier9396 6 дней назад

    Awesome discussion of the What, How and Why. I learned a lot. Thanks.

  • @Paul-rd5pw
    @Paul-rd5pw 10 дней назад +2

    Keep up the good work Ryan. I always learn lots from your videos

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 8 дней назад +1

    Very nice information Sir. Thanks for the knowledge being passed on.

  • @matthewallen978
    @matthewallen978 10 дней назад

    I love learning about this stuff, im a contemporary diesel mechanic, i work on locomotives mostly, but i love seeing the engineering that goes into these incredible machines, if a battleship were deployed today, i'd be one of the first to signup as crew

  • @gooner5742
    @gooner5742 10 дней назад +2

    Good question Charles

  • @horatiohooligan1706
    @horatiohooligan1706 10 дней назад +14

    B-52 56-0687 located at MCO (Orlando Airport FL) has the same skin wrinkles although it is a Vietnam era Strategic Bomber.

    • @briansmith2616
      @briansmith2616 10 дней назад

      Every B-52 I have seen pictured has those. I wonder if there is a different cause on aircraft?

    • @jimbobbubba4165
      @jimbobbubba4165 10 дней назад

      that's exactly what I was thinking on b52s after I heard his explanation

    • @stevensullivan3121
      @stevensullivan3121 10 дней назад

      Almost every aircraft has them, it's normal for aluminum.

    • @Manco65
      @Manco65 9 дней назад

      It's the air pushing against the fuselages. With water it's hydraulic action.

    • @briansmith2616
      @briansmith2616 9 дней назад

      I would have figured on aircraft it's from the the airframe flexing. Ryan stated in the video it's due to heat on the ships hull, is that not correct?

  • @RealityCheck6969
    @RealityCheck6969 8 дней назад

    I always wondered but never took the time to research it. Thx for the video.

  • @michaelfrank2266
    @michaelfrank2266 10 дней назад +3

    Interesting as per always Ryan. Thank you.

  • @ImpendingJoker
    @ImpendingJoker 10 дней назад +3

    This oil canning can be seen on the B-1B Lancer and the B-52 as well, and for the same reasons. Heat causes the aluminum to expand and contract and the skin pops in and out.

  • @L3GHO5T
    @L3GHO5T 4 дня назад

    I got to see USS Little Rock last Friday. It was my first time ever seeing a large warship up close and photos or videos do not do justice for these behemoths, they have to be seen in person to truly marvel in their glory. Leaves you breathless. I hope one day to see an Iowa class.

  • @garywagner2466
    @garywagner2466 10 дней назад

    Thanks for the explanation. Have a marvellous day!

  • @iwantmyvanback
    @iwantmyvanback 10 дней назад +3

    Saw this on USS Hornet recently and was curious why it exists. Thanks for the info!

  • @lizzapaolia959
    @lizzapaolia959 10 дней назад +1

    Very interesting as well as educational. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. God bless 🙏

  • @Markusmoose603
    @Markusmoose603 8 дней назад

    this honeslty answered a question i've been wondering for years. thanks

  • @dannyl2598
    @dannyl2598 7 дней назад

    Thanks.
    I've been told that when they attached the last connection of the two halves of the St. Louis Arch, they did it on a worm sunny day so the steel would be hot, then they used fire trucks with water cannons to cool the exact spots needed in order to align the bolt holes at the top.

  • @TheChonaman
    @TheChonaman 10 дней назад

    Thanks for the explanation, Ryan! It makes sense. Temperature differentials, different materials, different densities, the effects of sun on different paint schemes/colors. Science actually can explain many things!

  • @LMyrski
    @LMyrski 10 дней назад +2

    I always heard of it as "waffling" and it is something that is rarely seen on pre-1920s vessels because they rarely employed as thin a steel shell over frames spaced as wide. It is much more common on welded construction as opposed to riveted. Take a look at the USS Olympia for example, you really need to look hard to find any distortions.

  • @marcus123841
    @marcus123841 8 дней назад

    You learn something new every day ,now I know ,thank you 🎉

  • @jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617
    @jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617 8 дней назад

    Thank you for explaining this curiosity bro.

  • @paulmelton361
    @paulmelton361 10 дней назад +5

    Hi Ryan,
    I’ve been following & watching your videos on the dry docking of battleship New Jersey.
    Thank you for all of the videos and the hard work that you put into them. It is appreciated.
    In 1969. I was in first grade. Our elementary school took a field trip to Seattle. We went to various sites and saw different things.
    And then we went to the Bremerton shipyard and we took a tour on the decks of battleship Missouri . As the first grader, I was quite impressed.
    With your videos about battleship, New Jersey and Iowa class battleships, it puts everything into perspective and I understand the ship even more.
    Once again, thank you for all of your hard work!

  • @justdeaf-ry6bn
    @justdeaf-ry6bn 10 дней назад +1

    I've always wondered about those ripples on the ship. Now. I know thanks Ryan.

  • @thomasm7682
    @thomasm7682 6 дней назад

    So glad to see the Jersey up on blocks receiving some needed TLC.

  • @maximilliancunningham6091
    @maximilliancunningham6091 9 дней назад

    Thank you Ryan.

  • @johnfraser8116
    @johnfraser8116 4 дня назад

    Very interesting and reassuring. Thanks!

  • @Sebastian-lk9xz
    @Sebastian-lk9xz 9 дней назад

    I'm 45 Years old and almost this long interested in ships, maritime warfare and so on. But I did learn today what oil canning ist! Great video, thank you, enjoyed it very much. All the best from germanry.

  • @charlottevixen9222
    @charlottevixen9222 8 дней назад

    one mistake i noticed, mentioned lighter colours absorb light, but it reflects more, other than that, another awesome video and explainer thank you!

  • @callenclarke371
    @callenclarke371 8 дней назад

    You know, I knew all this stuff before I clicked on the video. I think I had pieced it together from different bits of trivia over the years, but I've never heard anyone put it together in a clear simple explanation before. Well done.

  • @S_M_360
    @S_M_360 10 дней назад +1

    Learn so much here. Love it.

  • @georgemitchell9696
    @georgemitchell9696 6 дней назад

    BB62, Watched her come into Long Beach for refitting. Took the tour, many years later. Amazing.

  • @alstewart9915
    @alstewart9915 9 дней назад

    Was wondering that too. Thought it was where tugs would push against to maneuver the ship to/from the dock. Thanks!

  • @LovingMontanatoDeath
    @LovingMontanatoDeath 5 дней назад

    I've been a mariner my whole adult life and did not know this. Thanks!

  • @CacheCanada
    @CacheCanada 10 дней назад

    Enjoying the journey of New Jersey into drydock after having visited her a number of years ago.

  • @johnjones5354
    @johnjones5354 10 дней назад

    Great explanation.

  • @ifartedq4
    @ifartedq4 3 дня назад

    Man I love this and Battleship Texas they both went to dry dock

  • @davemachoukas6175
    @davemachoukas6175 5 дней назад

    Always wondered about this. Thank you for explaining 😅

  • @rubberduck3421
    @rubberduck3421 10 дней назад

    Thank you very much for the video. I've always wondered where the dents come from. To be honest, I was expecting something with waves, as they usually occur at the bow, where the sheet metal is particularly thin.

  • @ferry602
    @ferry602 День назад

    Thanks for this video, since long time I was wondering why a ship has so many dents. 👌👌👌👏

  • @Moredread25
    @Moredread25 10 дней назад

    The tour was great!

  • @clydesuckfinger8068
    @clydesuckfinger8068 10 дней назад +2

    Oil canning is common on aircraft as well and generally not a grounding discrepancy, unless it’s popping rivets between the skin and supporting structure.

  • @stevenscoville2773
    @stevenscoville2773 8 дней назад

    In my last career after the military I was a welder/fabricator (not on ships), and we always had to watch for oil-canning when welding sheet metal (>1/4") to any heavy ribs or supports as this happens frequently if you don't watch your heat.

  • @aaaht3810
    @aaaht3810 10 дней назад

    When I was in the navy I served on a destroyer that was 30 years old. Sometimes when we were in port and the rising or setting sun hit the ship properly you could clearly see all the frames and longitudinals along the hull.

  • @henrycarlson7514
    @henrycarlson7514 10 дней назад

    So wise , Thank You

  • @TimR123
    @TimR123 9 дней назад

    This was a total "huh, I never thought that was it" moment. Love it.

  • @johno9507
    @johno9507 10 дней назад

    I appreciate the metric measurements Ryan. 🇦🇺🙂

  • @dpsamu2000
    @dpsamu2000 6 дней назад

    I have wondered about that. I worked in the machine shop of a ship repair company with dry docks but never asked about it. I have been asked about it but had to guess it was repetitive wave strikes. I did tell questioners I was guessing. Your answer makes sense.

  • @gregshamieh6339
    @gregshamieh6339 9 дней назад

    One also sees this in travel trailers that are either metal monocoque or metal cladding over wood construction -- no way to avoid the skin heating up and undergoing thermal expansion and contraction more than the underlying structure. As someone who has homebuilt such machines, I knew exactly what you were describing.

  • @peridoodle2644
    @peridoodle2644 10 дней назад

    I had always thought it was a result of repeated stresses of water hitting those places as she ship goes through waves over many years. It's nice to know the actual reason for sure now! I've seen a lot of DDGs and CGs with oil canning on Naval Base San Diego. I haven't really seen it on the Independence class LCSs (the aluminum ones) but maybe the material or their relative newness has spared them from them.

  • @adamk203
    @adamk203 10 дней назад

    I always thought it was because the thinner hulls slowly got hammered inward by pounding waves. But thanks for providing the real answer.

  • @Cha-y412
    @Cha-y412 10 дней назад

    I alway thought it was from tugs and ships coming along side. Learned something new today.

  • @kristopherdetar4346
    @kristopherdetar4346 8 дней назад

    Interesting how much attention BB62 is getting these days. Years ago I remember it sat in mothballs at Bremerton from the end of Vietnam until 1981 when it got towed down to San Diego for refitting and refurbishment. I lived in Port Orchard,WA and remember the day it got pull out of the dock and towed out of Peugeot Sound in 1981. Good to see it being preserved. We may need her again someday against the Chinese.

  • @TheKira699
    @TheKira699 9 дней назад

    Thank you for that. I had wondered and wasn't far off, but didn't have the name for it. (Dad's ex Royal Australian Navy Captain so I've seen my fair share of ships and subs on board.)

  •  9 дней назад

    Would love to see the props after their cleaning, and awesome across the board, thank you!

  • @mikeske9777
    @mikeske9777 10 дней назад +1

    Oil canning is also common on aluminum skinned aircraft. If you ever saw a 747 on jacks and not on its landing gear in a maintenance hanger the entire aft section of the aircraft under the vertical stabilizer is puckered in or out depending where the supporting frames under the skin of the plane are at It is just another example of oil canning and it does not hurt or even damage the aircraft. Once the 747 is in the air the oll canning will go away as the aircraft is pressurized.

  • @markciocco2509
    @markciocco2509 10 дней назад

    Thanks, always wondered what those hull depressions were

  • @user-ch3lt4ve6b
    @user-ch3lt4ve6b 10 дней назад +2

    To the people wondering if it reduces when it’s cold…..No, it doesn’t. I remember they tested a section on Missouri in ‘86, @ LBNSY, they tried freezing a 4x4’ section of bow steel…. Nothing happened, and as soon as the sun hit it, it warmed up with no metallurgical abnormalities….They thought they could straighten the steel by reducing its temperature, but soon learned that armor plated steel doesn’t “breathe”, for lack of a better word. And trying to pound the indentations flat was ludicrous….Besides, it would’ve “oil canned” as fast as its first deployment, IF they had somehow flattened it, or even replaced it. I’ll try to remember the other “experiments” we tried on New Jersey & Missouri…Spoiler alert: I think they all failed to rejuvenate the ships. Also: Adding extra plate was discussed, but soon dismissed as feathering the new plate to the ship’s shape was a fool’s folly.

  • @edschoenstein1893
    @edschoenstein1893 10 дней назад

    Great topic! I believe you also see a similar oil canning affect on aircraft. just look at the skin on a B-52......

  • @davidvik1451
    @davidvik1451 10 дней назад +1

    This does not as likely to appear on riveted ships since there is not a heat affected zone like the double fillet welds at the frames and bulkheads. Yes flat areas are most susceptible while curved plates being more ridged will offer greater resistance to this. This is also called "Hungry Horse". Two British destroyers a new welded one, and the other an older riveted. The skipper on the riveted ship sent a message saying that the other skipper needed to feed his horse since she was showing her ribs.

  • @davidhines7592
    @davidhines7592 5 дней назад

    finally someone answers this. see it on modern warships all over the hull and always wondered

  • @chadportenga7858
    @chadportenga7858 7 дней назад

    As someone that works with cast metals, people don't realize just how much metal expands when it heats up. Even the sun causes When a rigid framework inside the ship doesn't expand, but the sun expose panels do, it only takes a tiny bit to cause rippling.
    Another place you can see the effects of heat expansion is a bridge. Look at the expansion joints on bridges (they're the things that look like interlocking fingers on the roadway). In cold months, the tips of the "fingers" will barely be overlapping, but in the summer heat, there is very little gaps exposed. It's the same thing, except that the ship can't move like an expansion joint can.

  • @TimTernet0
    @TimTernet0 2 дня назад

    I remember my old oil can as you mentioned.

  • @stephenludlum9746
    @stephenludlum9746 7 дней назад

    Oil canning or Panting is an in-and-out movement of the shell plating resulting from the variations of water pressure waves passing along the hull and when the vessel pitches. The location of the most significant stresses is at the bow when making headway. These are greatest in fine bowed vessels. So, it is more than a temperature issue; but can be a combination of issues.

  • @CAPNMAC82
    @CAPNMAC82 10 дней назад

    Also, in days of very old, oil, particularly vegetable oils were sold in rectilinear cans that would dent in the centers, particularly from handling.

  • @Rancourt762
    @Rancourt762 10 дней назад

    I always assumed it was from water pressure or waves crashing into it. I learned something new. Cool

  • @patmcbride9853
    @patmcbride9853 8 дней назад

    I "woke up" to oil canning when my supplemental heating coils kicked in on my heating system.
    It was like a really loud firecracker went off under the floor.
    The ducts will distort when the temperature changes rapidly and that sometimes makes large areas suddenly snap in or out.

  • @kinasbloody
    @kinasbloody 10 дней назад

    Great content❤

  • @JoshuaC923
    @JoshuaC923 10 дней назад +4

    0:25 this joke never gets old😂

  • @terrymcdonald7524
    @terrymcdonald7524 9 дней назад

    Back in 1950 I saw rows of destroyers tied up side by side in Bremerton Washington that were mothballed and part of the Pacific reserve fleet. They all looked hammered compared to the larger cruisers. The Five battleships that were there at the time were pretty smooth. Looking back on it , they were all pretty abused.

  • @josephvarno5623
    @josephvarno5623 10 дней назад +1

    OK. Small correction.
    In the video you said that the lighter colors absorb the rays of the sun and prevent heating.
    The way i was taught in high school, in theater programs, and independent research into the statement.
    Dark colors absorb the the rays of the sun which intensifies heating. Light colors reflect the rays of the sun which minimizes heating.
    It's a smallish nit to pick, but when I had to worry about picking up black painted objects from the stage that had been lit up for 2 hours being too hot to handle vs objects painted pink or white, it gets you a bit.

  • @4evaavfc
    @4evaavfc 10 дней назад

    Interesting and informative.

  • @selkiemaine
    @selkiemaine 10 дней назад +1

    I think that another component of oilcanning is the impact of waves on certain areas of the hull - as you say, nothing to be concerned about, but one often sees it in those areas where seas impact.

  • @mmkkggggoodd2315
    @mmkkggggoodd2315 20 часов назад

    Thanks for preserving this rare and important part of our American history1