if they take the philosophy of the 2014 & 2015 Royals and believe in singles, liner-doubles, BABIP, good runners on bases, and a couple homers here and there, they can take advantage of their field and win their division. Cal and another player can be the boom-or-bust HR players like Schwarber, but everyone else needs to aim for line drives 80% of the time and cause chaos on the basepaths
You can't put it all on the hitting coach. They added 2 Mitches that have career strike out percentages above league average, and brought in Polanco who is obviously at the end of his career, so what else should we have expected?
@@flaquis2729 Both Mitches are still solid at least Haniger and Mariners don't need their batters to be superstars they should be average or slightly above average and still be good and Polonco is at the end of his career so what? Like I said he doesn't need to be a superstar just needs to be solid which he's sorta has been
@@flaquis2729 Haniger has been washed these past two seasons but Garver and Polanco were still solid prior to them joining the mariners. Garver is coming off a 139 ops+ season with the rangers and in the last 3 seasons with the twins Polanco had a 120 ops+.
The one thing I never understood about their free agent signings is the sea level AND large outfield. This screams a team that should be built around speed, pitching, and contact.
Pitching is cheap, offense is expensive. The 2015 Royals are the comparison you seen to be trying to make. Here's the closest 2024 statistical equivalent lineup to those 2015 Royals: C: Salvador Perez 1B: Freddie Freeman 2B: Thairo Estrada SS: Dansby Swanson 3B: Alec Bohm LF: Fernando Tatis Jr (To make up for Moose hitting more homers than Bohm w/o compromising OF defense or OPS) CF: Jarren Duran RF: Johan Rojas DH: Jurickson Profar It only worked for the Royals because they developed guys in house (Hosmer, Gordon, Moose, Salvy, basically Cain) and had them while they were cheaper. Seattle has never been capable as a franchise of developing bats, and because they won't pay good hitters such as many of the above in free agency they are left with very little. Only 2 players with 800+ PA's for the Mariners since 2010 have an OPS over .800, and both were superstars that were developed by other teams (Nelson Cruz, Robinson Cano). Tom Murphy and Seth Smith are their 5th and 6th best hitters of the last 15 years. That's just sad man. In regards to the stadium argument, poor teams usually build pitchers parks and prioritize pitching because it artificially keeps scores down and games closer. It's a calculated illusion of being competitive. Losing 2-1 looks better at the surface than losing 5-1 if you know you're probably only gonna score 1 run anyways.
@@n0lanv0id 10 consecutive season of 200 hits or more, stole bases, and had a rocket arm out in right field. Oh and he could slug when the situation called for it too. This team needs some Ichiros!
@parkercrossland410 especially since their field is built like a smaller Safeco. Large outfield and the wind normally blows in from i-435 (the outfield).
I hate how this team takes competent hitters and ruins them. We saw what Julio could do, we saw what Polanco did, Arrozarena, we see what Teoscar is doing now. Guys come to Seattle and forget how to hit and it can’t be a coincidence. And I’m not going to blame the stadium or the sea level or whatever, because we’ve had good offenses in the past. It’s something with the coaching I swear
They need a philosophy shift. The 2023 Padres had one of the worst line drive rates in the league. They embraced contact hitting this year and now they're #1. Mariners should follow a similar path imo
Arozarena had been pretty down for a good chunk of the year for what it's worth. This level of non-production is unprecedented but it's not entirely as far off as it seems.
The Red Sox strike out a lot this year, too. They leave tons of runners on base. It's incredibly frustrating. The difference is we had no expectations coming into this season, but the Mariners barely missed the playoffs last year. Strikeouts kill rallies, kill scoring, and hoping for the HR doesn't seem to be working.
But, this is what the Baseball gurus keep telling us is good for the game. Bunting is useless, stealing a base is a waste of time, singles hitters provide no value. The Mariners seem to be adhering to the analytic bible. I don't understand why they are not winning their division.
Game 6 of the 1986 World Series was perhaps the most exciting game I've ever watched. The Mets were down 4 runs in the 9th inning, but they came back to win thanks to the now much-maligned art of small ball.
The red sox have a good reason to construct their team around all or nothing power hitters, the monster and the pesky pole lend to that playstyle. The mariners dont, and their best players going into precipitous decline means that there's no one on base.
@@antonioreconquistador Fenway Park is Anti-HR especially for Lefties, and babies line drive hitters and high batting average hitters. The Red Sox are constructing their team terribly. They need to focus way more on speed, contact while not striking out and Right-Handed line drive and Home Run Hitters...
This is probably the saddest season so far as a Mariner's fan. As a lifelong fan since the early 2000's, I've never been so disappointed, the hype for this season and the 91% playoff odds to this. Ugh, hopefully Dan Wilson can fix things a bit and sneak us in there at like 90 wins or something
We all feel you. Been talking to a buddy for the last two weeks just telling each other how much it hurts. We sucked for so long, started trending up and now it just feels like the 2010s all over again. Great pitching, no bat
After watching tonight's ball game, it's going to be difficult to fix. ARod isn't even producing like he used to in prior second half's. I agree it's incredibly sad
I literally knew this was gonna happen. I kept telling everyone don't get your hopes up. They were in 1st place by all star weekend and right as I let my guard down, they Squander it again!
The mariner's going so TTO heavy in a pitchers park is something I will never get. A lineup that not only desperately lacks contact hitters but philosophically too
This is EXACTLY the video I was saying you should make! Thanks for diving deeper into the historically TERRIBLE offensive problems of this team. Italk studios barked at this team only about A MILLION TIMES! But you always have very detailed explanations as to why a team has been so surprisingly good or bad. To me, the Mariners offensive problem has been going on since 2002 and the results can be seen in terms of how many times they made the playoffs since their 116 win 2001 season when their offense was one of the best in MLB history! Just once! Also when they were swept by the Astros, rewatch the highlights of that game and that summarizes all of this!
T-Mobile Park doesn't seem to be a problem for the other team apparently... As a Mariners fan blaming the stadium is nothing more than a peer excuse, the team is just badly coached and I'm so glad Scott servais got fired he was holding this team back
Ok how many people genuinely believe the stadium is the only reason. You are clearly talking to the wrong people. It is part of the reason, we are ranked low on the stadium list for a good reason. But when you combine that with the fact that we strikeout at the worst possible times, swing at 3-0 counts that lead to a double play, and couldn't play small ball if their life depended on it, then the park factor starts to make sense. And if you think firing Scott going into the final month and promoting someone within the organization will change anything, I might have some more bad news for you (it's not the manager, but the players). Dan is going to be a manager and the players will still be doing what they do. If we start winning it isn't because of Dan😂😂😂
Yea I'm not a M's fan but I never understood that whole "pitchers park" or "hitter friendly park" excuse when it comes to winning and losing on a consistent basis, cuz both teams that are playing, are playing on that same field and therefore both teams have the same advantage. It can explain some things, like why their pitchers have a lower ERA in Seattle, but like I said the team they play against has that exact same advantage so to blame the park is just a lame cop-out.
@@cassianandor4103 also Mariners pitching in the years of 2004-2008 had some of the worst pitching I had ever seen as a Mariners fan and even the stadium couldn't save their awful bullpen in 1999 either. As a huge Mariner fan and youtube covering the Mariners, Im tired of the victimization of the Mariners through T mobile park. so done with the excuses LMAO. if they cant hit homeruns, then figure out other ways. 2000 Edgar Martinez, 2001 Bret Boone, 2016 Robinson, Nelson Cruz didn't have issues with T Mobile park either, and their numbers would agree
In my lifetime I don’t think it’s ever been harder to be a Mariners fan. Our 1995 “The Double” was a glorious moment that saved our team from moving away. But when your biggest highlight is from something that happened almost THIRTY YEARS ago, it’s impossible not to feel depressed. Not like it was a World Series victory either…to date we’re the only team that hasn’t even BEEN to the WS, in almost 50 years of franchise history. It’s just sad
4:34 - It wouldn't hurt Haniger to get half a step closer to the plate. He may be farther from the plate than the catcher. He's gonna whiff at anything away.
This type of offense is how the league is trending overall but on steroids. I've never seen more guys with .240/.330/.450 slash lines than the past few years
On the Mariners it’s more like .205/.275/.410 haha I swear. I get that hitting is hard in today’s game but damn. Occasional homers or totally whiffing on bad pitches. It’s getting to the point where I barely get excited by a homerun because it’s almost always a solo shot. Getting like 58 RBI a year…nobody can get on base anymore unless they happen to get hit by a pitch. Tough being an M’s fan man
No I really think the Mariners are just a couple of pieces away from being contenders. We have the best rotation in baseball and some great young hitters in Julio and Cal Raleigh. We just totally whiffed on our free agent signings. Garver and Polanco have been worthless and guys like JP Crawford have had horrible seasons after they played well last year.
@SportStorm23 oh so am I! Still gotta have faith but it's such a Ms thing to happen. Just hoping for the day we get a series of positive videos from the community 🙏. When we deserve it of course
Ways to Debunk the T Mobile park excuse 2000 Edgar Martinez 37 Homeruns 141 RBIs 2000 Alex Rodriguez 41 Homeruns and an above 10 WAR 2001 Bret Boone 37 Homeruns 141 RBIs 2016 Robinson Cano 39 Homeruns Nelson Cruz, consistently hit over 37 homeruns per season. Yeah these are extreme examples, but T Mobile park is far from the reason why the offense is terrible
So your case for T Mobile Park not being an issue is built around a few seasons from a legit Hall of Famer, Bret Boone's best season in a team that won 116 games...and players who probably would be Hall of Famers if they didn't do PEDs. Alongside seasons from other legit Hall of Famers, All Stars and veteran hitters (like Adrian Beltre, Teoscar Hernandez and Randy Winn) who were merely only OK in Seattle and then immediately rebounded to elite form the second they left town. Yeah, a real strong case to be made there.
@@ahogg5960 Beltre was in a garbage situation, Scott Servais literally promotes strikeouts and Randy Winn was actually good in Seattle, he just had that one lucky 2nd half of 2005. And you know, players don't have to hit homeruns all the time right? its called adapting, plus TMobile already brought in the fences, what other solutions do you got, it seems all people do is blame a stadium but nobody comes up with a solution
One thing to add to the end of the video. Mariners ownership won't spend this offseason but continue to cut costs. They currently own Root Sports and the Kraken and Trail Blazers have both left the network. The Mariners are the network's only professional sports team left. Due to this massive financial blunder, Stanton will cut costs and shed salary. I hate being a Mariners fan.
It’s crazy how fast this season turn around as a mariners fan. Went from thinking this was the team to run it with for a couple years in 2021 to I only want like 5 guys on this team next year.
For perspective on how Dipoto won’t commit to big acquisitions that Cal suggests, the mariners were in the perfect position to deal for Soto when he was on the trade block. Seattle had all the prospects and pitching depth to offer San Diego. ESPN even made a whole article on how it was a match made in heaven, but then after news came out Soto was going to the Bronx, SD supposedly didn’t even get as much as a phone call from Dipoto.
Mariners fans knew this was coming. When you don’t draft more than one good hitting prospect over the span of years and don’t spend on hitters this will happen no matter how much good pitching there is.
I like how around the 13:30 mark you show all the teams that had to go through the Astros basically to win it all. And that's the team pushing the Mariners out of the postseason, besides themselves.
So far that Julio Rodriquez contract hasn't been worth it. Is it because he doesn't have the talent [hitters] surrounding him or is it something else. I am not saying trade him, but I am wondering if they tried to trade him would another team feel that contract is worth taking. Also he cannot seem to play a full season. The rest of the team isn't performing well either. The highest ops out of the starting lineup is .691 when league average is .700. This team needs a great deal of work to be done on it. I just don't see it happening though as it has been apparent that the Ownwer [John Stanton] is not open to spending to improve things.
He played 130 games his rookie year and a 155 last year. This is his first season with significant missed time. And he has a 127 OPS+ for his career. He’s just having a bad year
I still dont understand why they got rid of the 2019 ball. When the average pitchers velocity has gone up like 3 mph in the last few years, they didn't need any more help. They needed the nerf
As a lifetime M's fan, I appreciate this honest look at my team. I remember other dark times where we'd sell the farm to win now, and watched many players go on to have successful careers. I like the word sustainability, but that has to come with the occasional push to win this year. If 2025 isn't the year the M's get a superstar, I may have to switch favorite teams...
There’s something arrogant about Seattle. Anytime I watch a mariners game with your local broadcasters it seems as if y’all are some kind of dynasty but in reality y’all need some humble pie.
The Mariners organization is full of excuses for their failings. Marine air, weather, location, etc. I’m surprised they haven’t blamed their proximity to dormant volcanoes or Alaska.
How does park factor adjust year to year? It’s the same stadium it was last year, it’s just harder to hit in because Kirby, Woo, Gilbert, Miller, and Castillo start every time out
There is a coaching and development problem in Seattle. None of their prospects besides Julio ever reach potential peak. Then once they’re traded they flourishing
A few things. The park is an excuse for a casual fan. They barely hit better on the road and strike out at a similar rate as well. The 2001 Mariners were not only #1 in MLB in runs scored but did it before the fences were brought in. That is insane I also don't think this season is due to Dipoto partially. I think they should have kept Teoscar because his 2023 was solid but his 2024 is in part due to being around a stacked lineup. For me the problem comes down to coaching because it's a trend on good hitters coming here always performing worse. Dehart was a kid and makes no sense as far as resume and Servais literally brought nothing positive or any energy to the team other than bad bullpen management and putting out nonsense lineups with no consistency.
As a rangers fan, I see this happening with our team the first half of the season too. We won the WS based on power being better than the DBacks, so I think we assumed that would lead to success this year, and it just hasn’t. Also, as a baseball fan, I hope that teams see this and go back to a more traditional lineup setup. Contact, speed, and one or two long ball threats lead to sustained success over a long season. Hoping is not a strategy and teams need to know that.
Ah yes as an Angel's fan I remember the smugness of yall when that team won a wildcard series how the mighty have fallen haha. Not that we have anything to cheer for!
What they need to do is build a lineup with high contact rate and the ability to just get on base. Stop trying to get discount HR hitters. They can’t get adjusted to T-mobile park. Focus on just getting on base
I would partially add Cal Raleigh dissing the Astro's in that post game interview as part of the reason why they also lost the division lead. Cal Raleigh might've cursed them (joke)
I've been waiting for this video for a very long time. This has been a problem for the last couple years now. My only question is, what do we do from here going forward? This team is 100% a WS Contender if we had as good as an offense as this pitching staff.
Well yeah if our offense was as good as our pitching we'd be #1 on both sides of the ball, we'd be WS favorites. But that's just about impossible to do even if you have the largest payroll in the league. Not defending our cheap owners. But tbh our pitching staff really doesn't need to be as deep as it is, we could pick up some serious bats if we traded and were willing to pay big bat contracts.
The next step is to sell some of the arms in the Minors to find a potent bat with some control, or willing to negotiate. The pitching staff is set for a couple more years, and there are enough good arms further down that only need that long to be ready for the MLB roster. Arozarena was a nice addition, but we need to build a roster with a higher OBP and AVG, without selling too much of the pop.
As a Mariners fan, I really wish we implode hard this rest of the way, it is the only way to get this incompetent GM out for good, if we finish somewhat close to the WC race , he might get another year and he has shown time and time again he just does not know how to build a good roster regardless of budget constrains, we need someone new with a good track record.
And there’s the “this team is in second place, stop complaining.” You clearly didn’t see what happened and second place wont be good enough in the AL West and the AL West only
I think you shouldve talked a bit about J-Rod. He was supposed to be one of MLB's next big superstars and is the face of their franchise, yet the dude this year is struggling hard and only has a 98 OPS+🙃. 98 OPS+ for your face of your franchise is not good. I know he missed like 20ish games but before he got hurt he was struggling hard and he only has 11 HRs so far through 112 gamss played this year, making him on pace to hit only 16 HRs in a 162 game season which is half of the HRs he hit last year. I think you couldve also talked about how they had to fire their hitting coach and Servais. Lastly i think you couldve gone into how the astros have knocked them out the last few years: it was the astros that swept them in 2022, and it was the astros that beat them 2 games out of 3 at the end of last year's regular season in what was essentially a make it or break it playoff series, knocking them out of the playoffs, and how this year because the astros keep winning despite having a depleted pitching staff is why they've blown their division lead.
Im glad we fired scott servis and are having Dan wilson coach and Edgar become the new batting coach. Its really hard being a mariners fan right now, good vid!
This is exactly how I feel as a Cubs fan. What in the world happened to our hitters? Did they overachieve last year? No, Counsell's just a bad manager, and I saw it coming. As soon as he leaves Milwaukee, that offense goes berserk. He and his staff hold teams back.
Good video. Its amazing how many times mariners squander bases loaded no outs. There must be some metric on the expected runs to get out of in that situation. I'm pretty sure the mariners have the lowest in modern era. It might be confirmation bias but i swear they get more runs 2 outs 0/2 then bases loaded no outs, and i'm talking about the whole inning not just the first batter
I can offer a non-metric explanation: walks are far worse at driving in runs than singles. When you go full three-true-outcomes ball like Dipoto, you sacrifice a lot of run-driving ability for the sake of walks & HRs. When you play in the anti-Coors, walks are great but relying on HRs as your main run-driver is a stupid risk to take. Three-true-outcomes is set to fail as moneyball evolves to prioritize AVG in this bizarro world and leaves moneyball-wannabees like Dipoto to adapt or rot.
The fix to the lack of offense is simple. Change their hitting approach. Too much watching fastballs down the middle. Attack fastballs early, mid, and late in at bats. Quit going up to bat hoping for a walk.
this team has always been spoty with hitting for years. Its idiots who don't know anything about the team thinking the team is different because they go on a win streak every once in a while. Which if they knew anything about the team they would know we do it every year. Nothing changes from year to year with this team.
I’m GLAD the odds are getting slimmer for us seeing the Seattle Mariners in the Playoffs. They don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. Especially because I get MLB Extra Innings. And I live in the STUPID NORTHWEST MYSELF. UNFORTUNATELY! And because of that! If any of MY TEAMS on MLB Extra Innings has to play those STUPID MARINERS! They require it to be Blacked out on my team’s network. It would be even more of a disgrace if they have to play my Colorado Rockies! The club in Baseball who play their Home Games at Coors Field in Denver, Colorado. The State I should be living in. I like the city of Seattle in general & the State of Washington in general too! And I do like a few of their College Teams & Junior Teams. But I just don’t like any of their Pro Teams due to them blacking out my teams from their Network when they have to play them. But their Southern Neighbor State Oregon is an EVEN WAY BIGGER DISGRACE. I’d be WAY MORE DISGUSTED if Portland or anywhere else in Oregon ever got a MLB Team. Further more! I’m EXTREMELY ANGRY at all those Northwest Pro Clubs that exist that are Blacking Out my teams from their network when they have to play them. Including MLB’s Seattle Mariners!
As a Rangers fan who witnessed a championship last year, I want the Mariners to win considering that the Rangers are having a World Series hangover. I don’t want Houston to win, but the Mariners have consistently been silent with their bats.
This has been an issue for them forreeevveerr. They need to rethink their scouting and development from the ground up. Its not a coincidence at this point. Seattle has really loyal fans too they deserve better.
as a fellow padres fan getting swept by the angles was the lowest of lows for us. Thank goodness that we're playing the way we should've, and could've earlier.
I sware every year there’s gotta be that one series where the pads get swept by a bottom 5 team in baseball. Even though it’s literally happened twice this year (Rockies, angels), somehow things are looking good for us. Keep the playoff push going!
The only reason their odds for the playoffs were so high was because of luck, the Astros early rash of injuries and drinking stupid juice, and the Rangers majorly underperforming.
As an Ms fan, I'll also state that a big problem with this team is how cheap the ownership is. Despite being one of the most profitable teams in MLB, we're running a payroll lower than league average (currently $147 mil when the average is $165 mil), and due to restraints placed by ownership, partly thanks to our own RSN troubles, dipoto hasn't gotten the payroll raises he's been previously promised and hoped for (hence why he's so heavily reliant on trades). It's one thing to be strapped for cash, but it's especially frustrating when the ownership wants long-term success without spending big (and doubly pissifying when we know that they can spend when they want to, as the 2018 season payroll was, after adjusting for inflation, close to $190 mil, which would be on par with what the red sox are currently running)
Astros fan, we had no business winning the division last year. Mariners fans deserve a ws banner. Theyre some of the best, i like the ms. Hopefully they can get it together
The Mariners and the Blue Jays are the two teams we were supposed to fear. It has been years, and nothing has happened. The Jays more than the Mariners to be fair.
The Mets got swept by these Mariners, losing by a combined scored of 22-1. Both teams can laugh about that series when they meet up on the beaches of Galveston this upcoming October.
I had a lot of hopes this year as a Seattle fan. It's been nice to say "this team can play" over the last couple years. But man, I haven't been this disappointed in the team since 2004. It sucks, because there is legit talent on this team, and a lot of that tends to get overlooked by the average baseball fan if you ask me. But when you see a team collapse this hard... The only way I can describe it is pain. It's just... pain.
When you still players hovering at or below 200 batting average in the lineup still says it all. They strike out because they have poor foundational hitting drills eye hand quick twitch training. I could have them striking out 50 percent less in one week. Their tradition BP isn't working. There is no reason every player on this team can't hit 250 or above the rest of they way. If they don't it's next player up.
They needed to add superstars in the off-season two years ago, when the homegrown nucleus was showing signs of peaking - and I said so - and now it is too late as when these players hit free agency I doubt any of them stick around.
Safe to say we shouldn't have let Geno or Teo go this last offseason... we could really use the 45 homers and 160 RBIs those two have put up combined so far this year...
It can't be fixed quickly. Take a trip back to 2001 and that team and how it was constructed. No, you're not going to find Ichiros, Brets, and Edgars under every rock, but that's what works in that ballpark. Having the best pitching staff in the most pitcher-friendly ballpark is a misallocation of talent. You need high average, high OBP line-drive hitters who can keep things moving and keep pressure on the opposing pitcher(s). You need 2-3 great starters just to be a winning team and have a shot in the playoffs, but at times over the last 2-3 years the M's have had 6 or even 7 good starters on the roster or in AAA...good when someone gets injured, sure, but too much value in one place. They corrected some of that over the offseason but, as the video points out, didn't really get better with the trades and acquisitions.
Let’s be honest and this is coming from a mariners fan This team has always been and will continue to be irrelevant. We can never seem to get an owner who actually cares about winning they just care to make the team just good enough to bring fans in and make as much money as possible. This team is such a joke I mean how do you only make the playoffs 5 times in almost 50 years I mean come on at some point you think they would at least become good by accident at least. It is getting to the point where this team is not even fun to rout for because there is just no point in doing so because deep down you already know the outcome
Maybe yesterday's walk-off will turn their season around?
I hope so. I wanna see my team win it all.
@@SportStorm23 nope
nope
if they take the philosophy of the 2014 & 2015 Royals and believe in singles, liner-doubles, BABIP, good runners on bases, and a couple homers here and there, they can take advantage of their field and win their division. Cal and another player can be the boom-or-bust HR players like Schwarber, but everyone else needs to aim for line drives 80% of the time and cause chaos on the basepaths
It did not
Sending players away for striking out a bunch, then going for the worst K rate in history screams, "hitting coach problem."
Gm is tard
You can't put it all on the hitting coach. They added 2 Mitches that have career strike out percentages above league average, and brought in Polanco who is obviously at the end of his career, so what else should we have expected?
They fired their hitting coach hopefully Edgar can help the players cause if not then Mariners are doomed
@@flaquis2729 Both Mitches are still solid at least Haniger and Mariners don't need their batters to be superstars they should be average or slightly above average and still be good and Polonco is at the end of his career so what? Like I said he doesn't need to be a superstar just needs to be solid which he's sorta has been
@@flaquis2729 Haniger has been washed these past two seasons but Garver and Polanco were still solid prior to them joining the mariners. Garver is coming off a 139 ops+ season with the rangers and in the last 3 seasons with the twins Polanco had a 120 ops+.
The one thing I never understood about their free agent signings is the sea level AND large outfield. This screams a team that should be built around speed, pitching, and contact.
Pitching is cheap, offense is expensive. The 2015 Royals are the comparison you seen to be trying to make.
Here's the closest 2024 statistical equivalent lineup to those 2015 Royals:
C: Salvador Perez
1B: Freddie Freeman
2B: Thairo Estrada
SS: Dansby Swanson
3B: Alec Bohm
LF: Fernando Tatis Jr (To make up for Moose hitting more homers than Bohm w/o compromising OF defense or OPS)
CF: Jarren Duran
RF: Johan Rojas
DH: Jurickson Profar
It only worked for the Royals because they developed guys in house (Hosmer, Gordon, Moose, Salvy, basically Cain) and had them while they were cheaper. Seattle has never been capable as a franchise of developing bats, and because they won't pay good hitters such as many of the above in free agency they are left with very little.
Only 2 players with 800+ PA's for the Mariners since 2010 have an OPS over .800, and both were superstars that were developed by other teams (Nelson Cruz, Robinson Cano). Tom Murphy and Seth Smith are their 5th and 6th best hitters of the last 15 years. That's just sad man.
In regards to the stadium argument, poor teams usually build pitchers parks and prioritize pitching because it artificially keeps scores down and games closer. It's a calculated illusion of being competitive. Losing 2-1 looks better at the surface than losing 5-1 if you know you're probably only gonna score 1 run anyways.
Dipoto loves sabrmetric inclined management. And homerun is the darling of sabrmetric.
Hence why Ichiro was a literal god amongst men for nearly 10 straight years there
@@n0lanv0id 10 consecutive season of 200 hits or more, stole bases, and had a rocket arm out in right field. Oh and he could slug when the situation called for it too. This team needs some Ichiros!
@parkercrossland410 especially since their field is built like a smaller Safeco. Large outfield and the wind normally blows in from i-435 (the outfield).
I hate how this team takes competent hitters and ruins them. We saw what Julio could do, we saw what Polanco did, Arrozarena, we see what Teoscar is doing now. Guys come to Seattle and forget how to hit and it can’t be a coincidence. And I’m not going to blame the stadium or the sea level or whatever, because we’ve had good offenses in the past. It’s something with the coaching I swear
They need a philosophy shift. The 2023 Padres had one of the worst line drive rates in the league. They embraced contact hitting this year and now they're #1. Mariners should follow a similar path imo
Arozarena had been pretty down for a good chunk of the year for what it's worth. This level of non-production is unprecedented but it's not entirely as far off as it seems.
The Red Sox strike out a lot this year, too. They leave tons of runners on base. It's incredibly frustrating. The difference is we had no expectations coming into this season, but the Mariners barely missed the playoffs last year. Strikeouts kill rallies, kill scoring, and hoping for the HR doesn't seem to be working.
But, this is what the Baseball gurus keep telling us is good for the game. Bunting is useless, stealing a base is a waste of time, singles hitters provide no value. The Mariners seem to be adhering to the analytic bible. I don't understand why they are not winning their division.
Game 6 of the 1986 World Series was perhaps the most exciting game I've ever watched. The Mets were down 4 runs in the 9th inning, but they came back to win thanks to the now much-maligned art of small ball.
The mariners don’t have good hitters tho in general
The red sox have a good reason to construct their team around all or nothing power hitters, the monster and the pesky pole lend to that playstyle. The mariners dont, and their best players going into precipitous decline means that there's no one on base.
@@antonioreconquistador Fenway Park is Anti-HR especially for Lefties, and babies line drive hitters and high batting average hitters. The Red Sox are constructing their team terribly. They need to focus way more on speed, contact while not striking out and Right-Handed line drive and Home Run Hitters...
This is probably the saddest season so far as a Mariner's fan. As a lifelong fan since the early 2000's, I've never been so disappointed, the hype for this season and the 91% playoff odds to this. Ugh, hopefully Dan Wilson can fix things a bit and sneak us in there at like 90 wins or something
We all feel you. Been talking to a buddy for the last two weeks just telling each other how much it hurts. We sucked for so long, started trending up and now it just feels like the 2010s all over again. Great pitching, no bat
After watching tonight's ball game, it's going to be difficult to fix. ARod isn't even producing like he used to in prior second half's. I agree it's incredibly sad
same. I used to go to games with my dad before they blew up the Kingdome. Its been a tough couple decades to be a fan.
I literally knew this was gonna happen. I kept telling everyone don't get your hopes up.
They were in 1st place by all star weekend and right as I let my guard down, they Squander it again!
@@Magucci13 we all knew it was going to happen. We're Mariners fans
The mariner's going so TTO heavy in a pitchers park is something I will never get. A lineup that not only desperately lacks contact hitters but philosophically too
This is EXACTLY the video I was saying you should make! Thanks for diving deeper into the historically TERRIBLE offensive problems of this team. Italk studios barked at this team only about A MILLION TIMES! But you always have very detailed explanations as to why a team has been so surprisingly good or bad. To me, the Mariners offensive problem has been going on since 2002 and the results can be seen in terms of how many times they made the playoffs since their 116 win 2001 season when their offense was one of the best in MLB history! Just once! Also when they were swept by the Astros, rewatch the highlights of that game and that summarizes all of this!
Italk makes the most low effort content and gets way more views than he deserves. We need more channels like this
T-Mobile Park doesn't seem to be a problem for the other team apparently... As a Mariners fan blaming the stadium is nothing more than a peer excuse, the team is just badly coached and I'm so glad Scott servais got fired he was holding this team back
Funny part is that even with him getting fired this team still wouldn’t be able to hit 😂
Other team only has to hit there a few games
Ok how many people genuinely believe the stadium is the only reason. You are clearly talking to the wrong people. It is part of the reason, we are ranked low on the stadium list for a good reason. But when you combine that with the fact that we strikeout at the worst possible times, swing at 3-0 counts that lead to a double play, and couldn't play small ball if their life depended on it, then the park factor starts to make sense. And if you think firing Scott going into the final month and promoting someone within the organization will change anything, I might have some more bad news for you (it's not the manager, but the players). Dan is going to be a manager and the players will still be doing what they do. If we start winning it isn't because of Dan😂😂😂
Yea I'm not a M's fan but I never understood that whole "pitchers park" or "hitter friendly park" excuse when it comes to winning and losing on a consistent basis, cuz both teams that are playing, are playing on that same field and therefore both teams have the same advantage. It can explain some things, like why their pitchers have a lower ERA in Seattle, but like I said the team they play against has that exact same advantage so to blame the park is just a lame cop-out.
@@cassianandor4103 also Mariners pitching in the years of 2004-2008 had some of the worst pitching I had ever seen as a Mariners fan and even the stadium couldn't save their awful bullpen in 1999 either. As a huge Mariner fan and youtube covering the Mariners, Im tired of the victimization of the Mariners through T mobile park. so done with the excuses LMAO. if they cant hit homeruns, then figure out other ways.
2000 Edgar Martinez, 2001 Bret Boone, 2016 Robinson, Nelson Cruz didn't have issues with T Mobile park either, and their numbers would agree
In my lifetime I don’t think it’s ever been harder to be a Mariners fan. Our 1995 “The Double” was a glorious moment that saved our team from moving away. But when your biggest highlight is from something that happened almost THIRTY YEARS ago, it’s impossible not to feel depressed. Not like it was a World Series victory either…to date we’re the only team that hasn’t even BEEN to the WS, in almost 50 years of franchise history. It’s just sad
4:34 - It wouldn't hurt Haniger to get half a step closer to the plate. He may be farther from the plate than the catcher. He's gonna whiff at anything away.
He's afraid of losing his remaining testicle
This type of offense is how the league is trending overall but on steroids. I've never seen more guys with .240/.330/.450 slash lines than the past few years
On the Mariners it’s more like .205/.275/.410 haha I swear. I get that hitting is hard in today’s game but damn. Occasional homers or totally whiffing on bad pitches. It’s getting to the point where I barely get excited by a homerun because it’s almost always a solo shot. Getting like 58 RBI a year…nobody can get on base anymore unless they happen to get hit by a pitch. Tough being an M’s fan man
The real question is....did the Mariners just overachieve like mad, giving people unnatural expectations?
The video says yes.
Probably.
No I really think the Mariners are just a couple of pieces away from being contenders. We have the best rotation in baseball and some great young hitters in Julio and Cal Raleigh. We just totally whiffed on our free agent signings. Garver and Polanco have been worthless and guys like JP Crawford have had horrible seasons after they played well last year.
@@austriangroyper9308 they've been trying to get those 2 pieces for 10 years now.
Yo, as a Mariners fan you ABOLUTELY KILLED THIS SHIT. Didn't miss a thing, and I'm glad to finally have a video that explains it all. Thank you.
WE MADE IT TO A SPORTSTORM VIDEO BUT IN TH WRONG WAY!! LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
I put off this video because it makes me so sad😭😭
Haha I'm still rooting for you guys
@SportStorm23 oh so am I! Still gotta have faith but it's such a Ms thing to happen. Just hoping for the day we get a series of positive videos from the community 🙏. When we deserve it of course
Ways to Debunk the T Mobile park excuse
2000 Edgar Martinez 37 Homeruns 141 RBIs
2000 Alex Rodriguez 41 Homeruns and an above 10 WAR
2001 Bret Boone 37 Homeruns 141 RBIs
2016 Robinson Cano 39 Homeruns
Nelson Cruz, consistently hit over 37 homeruns per season.
Yeah these are extreme examples, but T Mobile park is far from the reason why the offense is terrible
So your case for T Mobile Park not being an issue is built around a few seasons from a legit Hall of Famer, Bret Boone's best season in a team that won 116 games...and players who probably would be Hall of Famers if they didn't do PEDs.
Alongside seasons from other legit Hall of Famers, All Stars and veteran hitters (like Adrian Beltre, Teoscar Hernandez and Randy Winn) who were merely only OK in Seattle and then immediately rebounded to elite form the second they left town.
Yeah, a real strong case to be made there.
@@ahogg5960 Beltre was in a garbage situation, Scott Servais literally promotes strikeouts and Randy Winn was actually good in Seattle, he just had that one lucky 2nd half of 2005. And you know, players don't have to hit homeruns all the time right? its called adapting, plus TMobile already brought in the fences, what other solutions do you got, it seems all people do is blame a stadium but nobody comes up with a solution
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You forgot Ken Griffey and Ichiro
This team reminds me of the 2018 Diamondbacks. We squandered a division lead over the Dodgers in September due to this same issue
We don't talk about 2018....... There's a reason why we forget about that season.
One thing to add to the end of the video. Mariners ownership won't spend this offseason but continue to cut costs. They currently own Root Sports and the Kraken and Trail Blazers have both left the network. The Mariners are the network's only professional sports team left. Due to this massive financial blunder, Stanton will cut costs and shed salary. I hate being a Mariners fan.
Wow, an honest fan. A fan that doesn't bail. you are the nuts of the fanbase. You kick ass. And your words of analysis are valued. I salute thee
100 win pitching staff. 100 loss hitting staff……
It’s crazy how fast this season turn around as a mariners fan. Went from thinking this was the team to run it with for a couple years in 2021 to I only want like 5 guys on this team next year.
I just got back from watching the Mariners lose to the Giants 4-3 at T-Mobile Park and this popped up. It indeed was a maddening game.
For perspective on how Dipoto won’t commit to big acquisitions that Cal suggests, the mariners were in the perfect position to deal for Soto when he was on the trade block. Seattle had all the prospects and pitching depth to offer San Diego. ESPN even made a whole article on how it was a match made in heaven, but then after news came out Soto was going to the Bronx, SD supposedly didn’t even get as much as a phone call from Dipoto.
Mariners fans knew this was coming. When you don’t draft more than one good hitting prospect over the span of years and don’t spend on hitters this will happen no matter how much good pitching there is.
Sometimes i feel like the mariners are trying to give houston another mickey mouse division title
I like how around the 13:30 mark you show all the teams that had to go through the Astros basically to win it all. And that's the team pushing the Mariners out of the postseason, besides themselves.
So far that Julio Rodriquez contract hasn't been worth it. Is it because he doesn't have the talent [hitters] surrounding him or is it something else. I am not saying trade him, but I am wondering if they tried to trade him would another team feel that contract is worth taking. Also he cannot seem to play a full season. The rest of the team isn't performing well either. The highest ops out of the starting lineup is .691 when league average is .700. This team needs a great deal of work to be done on it. I just don't see it happening though as it has been apparent that the Ownwer [John Stanton] is not open to spending to improve things.
He played 130 games his rookie year and a 155 last year. This is his first season with significant missed time. And he has a 127 OPS+ for his career. He’s just having a bad year
Trade him just keeps getting worse
Team won't be any good until it gets new owners
They were good last year though🤷♀️
I still dont understand why they got rid of the 2019 ball. When the average pitchers velocity has gone up like 3 mph in the last few years, they didn't need any more help. They needed the nerf
we know
- a mariners fan
They need to be a young team. And a couple good veterans. As a fan this team is absolutely pathetic
As a lifetime M's fan, I appreciate this honest look at my team. I remember other dark times where we'd sell the farm to win now, and watched many players go on to have successful careers. I like the word sustainability, but that has to come with the occasional push to win this year. If 2025 isn't the year the M's get a superstar, I may have to switch favorite teams...
Cal Raleigh had to rescind his post game comments in a public statement. "I'm sorry boss", has happened more then once in Seattle
Dipoto will never live down his "as long as we win at a 54% clip" comment. Know what the fans want, Jerry? We want to WIN AND WIN NOW!!
hey look we have a huge ballpark with a marine layer thicker than molasses, lets try to only score runs by hitting homeruns that should go well 😂
There’s something arrogant about Seattle. Anytime I watch a mariners game with your local broadcasters it seems as if y’all are some kind of dynasty but in reality y’all need some humble pie.
The Mariners organization is full of excuses for their failings. Marine air, weather, location, etc. I’m surprised they haven’t blamed their proximity to dormant volcanoes or Alaska.
How does park factor adjust year to year? It’s the same stadium it was last year, it’s just harder to hit in because Kirby, Woo, Gilbert, Miller, and Castillo start every time out
There is a coaching and development problem in Seattle. None of their prospects besides Julio ever reach potential peak. Then once they’re traded they flourishing
A few things. The park is an excuse for a casual fan. They barely hit better on the road and strike out at a similar rate as well. The 2001 Mariners were not only #1 in MLB in runs scored but did it before the fences were brought in. That is insane
I also don't think this season is due to Dipoto partially. I think they should have kept Teoscar because his 2023 was solid but his 2024 is in part due to being around a stacked lineup.
For me the problem comes down to coaching because it's a trend on good hitters coming here always performing worse. Dehart was a kid and makes no sense as far as resume and Servais literally brought nothing positive or any energy to the team other than bad bullpen management and putting out nonsense lineups with no consistency.
It’s been a rough time to be a M’s fan but recently it’s been straight up annoying
As a rangers fan, I see this happening with our team the first half of the season too. We won the WS based on power being better than the DBacks, so I think we assumed that would lead to success this year, and it just hasn’t.
Also, as a baseball fan, I hope that teams see this and go back to a more traditional lineup setup. Contact, speed, and one or two long ball threats lead to sustained success over a long season. Hoping is not a strategy and teams need to know that.
You can't name a fanbase more loyal, or more miserable, than us Seattleites.
Ah yes as an Angel's fan I remember the smugness of yall when that team won a wildcard series how the mighty have fallen haha. Not that we have anything to cheer for!
What they need to do is build a lineup with high contact rate and the ability to just get on base. Stop trying to get discount HR hitters. They can’t get adjusted to T-mobile park. Focus on just getting on base
I would partially add Cal Raleigh dissing the Astro's in that post game interview as part of the reason why they also lost the division lead. Cal Raleigh might've cursed them (joke)
In June, my friend told me the Mariners were in first place and I replied, "Talk to me in September."
I am in physical pain watching them most days
I enjoy these videos when they come out. Keep up the great work and go padres from one fan to another!
Thank you!
As a Mariner fan, I can confirm that we suck badly.
I've been waiting for this video for a very long time. This has been a problem for the last couple years now. My only question is, what do we do from here going forward? This team is 100% a WS Contender if we had as good as an offense as this pitching staff.
Well yeah if our offense was as good as our pitching we'd be #1 on both sides of the ball, we'd be WS favorites. But that's just about impossible to do even if you have the largest payroll in the league. Not defending our cheap owners. But tbh our pitching staff really doesn't need to be as deep as it is, we could pick up some serious bats if we traded and were willing to pay big bat contracts.
The next step is to sell some of the arms in the Minors to find a potent bat with some control, or willing to negotiate. The pitching staff is set for a couple more years, and there are enough good arms further down that only need that long to be ready for the MLB roster. Arozarena was a nice addition, but we need to build a roster with a higher OBP and AVG, without selling too much of the pop.
@@cinch1619 Arozarena was a bad addition, poor outfield metrics and a very low Batting avg
I wonder if they'll trade a starter for a big hitter in the off-season instead of signing someone
@@SportStorm23 That's what I wanna know. But, who?
For the past decade, Mariners and Astros fans have had exactly opposite experiences.
As a Mariners fan, I really wish we implode hard this rest of the way, it is the only way to get this incompetent GM out for good, if we finish somewhat close to the WC race , he might get another year and he has shown time and time again he just does not know how to build a good roster regardless of budget constrains, we need someone new with a good track record.
I'm old enough to remember the consistently clownish display that was 80s Mariners baseball. This is somehow more painful to watch.
great video! 👏 you earned a new follower.
As a mariners fan it’s sad that I get impressed when an opposing player comes out with a BA of .240 or higher
Austin Hedges feels that way
And there’s the “this team is in second place, stop complaining.” You clearly didn’t see what happened and second place wont be good enough in the AL West and the AL West only
I think you shouldve talked a bit about J-Rod. He was supposed to be one of MLB's next big superstars and is the face of their franchise, yet the dude this year is struggling hard and only has a 98 OPS+🙃. 98 OPS+ for your face of your franchise is not good. I know he missed like 20ish games but before he got hurt he was struggling hard and he only has 11 HRs so far through 112 gamss played this year, making him on pace to hit only 16 HRs in a 162 game season which is half of the HRs he hit last year.
I think you couldve also talked about how they had to fire their hitting coach and Servais.
Lastly i think you couldve gone into how the astros have knocked them out the last few years: it was the astros that swept them in 2022, and it was the astros that beat them 2 games out of 3 at the end of last year's regular season in what was essentially a make it or break it playoff series, knocking them out of the playoffs, and how this year because the astros keep winning despite having a depleted pitching staff is why they've blown their division lead.
As a Mariners fan Dipoto has completely ruined this Team
Im glad we fired scott servis and are having Dan wilson coach and Edgar become the new batting coach. Its really hard being a mariners fan right now, good vid!
This is exactly how I feel as a Cubs fan.
What in the world happened to our hitters? Did they overachieve last year?
No, Counsell's just a bad manager, and I saw it coming. As soon as he leaves Milwaukee, that offense goes berserk. He and his staff hold teams back.
Pitchers having to pitch near perfect every outing to stand a chance of winning, is par for the course for the mariners for the last 20 years.
Amen! Finally!! Someone said it!!!
I was sitting behind the plate for that Garver HR. Was there for the Cal grand slam, too. They are 11-0 at games I’ve been to this year lol
Good video. Its amazing how many times mariners squander bases loaded no outs. There must be some metric on the expected runs to get out of in that situation. I'm pretty sure the mariners have the lowest in modern era. It might be confirmation bias but i swear they get more runs 2 outs 0/2 then bases loaded no outs, and i'm talking about the whole inning not just the first batter
I can offer a non-metric explanation: walks are far worse at driving in runs than singles. When you go full three-true-outcomes ball like Dipoto, you sacrifice a lot of run-driving ability for the sake of walks & HRs. When you play in the anti-Coors, walks are great but relying on HRs as your main run-driver is a stupid risk to take. Three-true-outcomes is set to fail as moneyball evolves to prioritize AVG in this bizarro world and leaves moneyball-wannabees like Dipoto to adapt or rot.
“All Star Ty France” is the best joke I’ve heard in a fat minute
The fix to the lack of offense is simple. Change their hitting approach. Too much watching fastballs down the middle. Attack fastballs early, mid, and late in at bats. Quit going up to bat hoping for a walk.
That's how MLB Batters are trained to do nowadays... Force Walks and Home Runs...
They just need 8 Ichiros with Cal at catcher and they would easily be the best offensive team in baseball.
this team has always been spoty with hitting for years. Its idiots who don't know anything about the team thinking the team is different because they go on a win streak every once in a while. Which if they knew anything about the team they would know we do it every year. Nothing changes from year to year with this team.
I’m GLAD the odds are getting slimmer for us seeing the Seattle Mariners in the Playoffs. They don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. Especially because I get MLB Extra Innings. And I live in the STUPID NORTHWEST MYSELF. UNFORTUNATELY! And because of that! If any of MY TEAMS on MLB Extra Innings has to play those STUPID MARINERS! They require it to be Blacked out on my team’s network. It would be even more of a disgrace if they have to play my Colorado Rockies! The club in Baseball who play their Home Games at Coors Field in Denver, Colorado. The State I should be living in. I like the city of Seattle in general & the State of Washington in general too! And I do like a few of their College Teams & Junior Teams. But I just don’t like any of their Pro Teams due to them blacking out my teams from their Network when they have to play them. But their Southern Neighbor State Oregon is an EVEN WAY BIGGER DISGRACE. I’d be WAY MORE DISGUSTED if Portland or anywhere else in Oregon ever got a MLB Team. Further more! I’m EXTREMELY ANGRY at all those Northwest Pro Clubs that exist that are Blacking Out my teams from their network when they have to play them. Including MLB’s Seattle Mariners!
Everyone said geno strikes out to much ! We don’t need him ! Yeah ! How’s that working out for you !
I feel like the Mariners are going through what the Padres offense experienced last year.
As A Padre fan, I agree.
As a Rangers fan who witnessed a championship last year, I want the Mariners to win considering that the Rangers are having a World Series hangover. I don’t want Houston to win, but the Mariners have consistently been silent with their bats.
ya'll ate dinner with biden. That would make most of us hungover.
Very similar to the 2021 mets
As a long time Mariners fan this is gold. Please do a vid with data about how well former Mariners hitters improve after leaving Seattle lol
That sucks that it's a realistic video to mak
This has been an issue for them forreeevveerr. They need to rethink their scouting and development from the ground up. Its not a coincidence at this point. Seattle has really loyal fans too they deserve better.
as a fellow padres fan getting swept by the angles was the lowest of lows for us. Thank goodness that we're playing the way we should've, and could've earlier.
I sware every year there’s gotta be that one series where the pads get swept by a bottom 5 team in baseball. Even though it’s literally happened twice this year (Rockies, angels), somehow things are looking good for us. Keep the playoff push going!
As long as it's not against the Rockies, this is the most fun I've ever had watching the Padres
Yes, its crazy how we are so bad against a rock bottom team
The only reason their odds for the playoffs were so high was because of luck, the Astros early rash of injuries and drinking stupid juice, and the Rangers majorly underperforming.
As an Ms fan, I'll also state that a big problem with this team is how cheap the ownership is. Despite being one of the most profitable teams in MLB, we're running a payroll lower than league average (currently $147 mil when the average is $165 mil), and due to restraints placed by ownership, partly thanks to our own RSN troubles, dipoto hasn't gotten the payroll raises he's been previously promised and hoped for (hence why he's so heavily reliant on trades).
It's one thing to be strapped for cash, but it's especially frustrating when the ownership wants long-term success without spending big (and doubly pissifying when we know that they can spend when they want to, as the 2018 season payroll was, after adjusting for inflation, close to $190 mil, which would be on par with what the red sox are currently running)
Astros fan, we had no business winning the division last year. Mariners fans deserve a ws banner. Theyre some of the best, i like the ms. Hopefully they can get it together
This is a lot of words to say “the Astros are inevitable”.
The Mariners and the Blue Jays are the two teams we were supposed to fear. It has been years, and nothing has happened. The Jays more than the Mariners to be fair.
Yet, somehow, they're only 3.5 games back of Houston in the AL West.
Ruining them???? Players come and go. We get stuck with this decade after decade. It ruins us.
The Mets got swept by these Mariners, losing by a combined scored of 22-1.
Both teams can laugh about that series when they meet up on the beaches of Galveston this upcoming October.
I had a lot of hopes this year as a Seattle fan. It's been nice to say "this team can play" over the last couple years.
But man, I haven't been this disappointed in the team since 2004. It sucks, because there is legit talent on this team, and a lot of that tends to get overlooked by the average baseball fan if you ask me. But when you see a team collapse this hard...
The only way I can describe it is pain. It's just... pain.
As a long-time Mariner's fan, I've almost accepted that our battle cry is "Maybe next year". We've been saying this for a long, long, long, long time.
When you still players hovering at or below 200 batting average in the lineup still says it all.
They strike out because they have poor foundational hitting drills eye hand quick twitch training.
I could have them striking out 50 percent less in one week. Their tradition BP isn't working. There is no reason every player on this team can't hit 250 or above the rest of they way. If they don't it's next player up.
They needed to add superstars in the off-season two years ago, when the homegrown nucleus was showing signs of peaking - and I said so - and now it is too late as when these players hit free agency I doubt any of them stick around.
Bro actually studied the Mariners falloff
Safe to say we shouldn't have let Geno or Teo go this last offseason... we could really use the 45 homers and 160 RBIs those two have put up combined so far this year...
Thanks for letting me know my team’s offense is bad I didn’t know 🫡
Great video and analysis
Isnt Dipoto the guy that wasted Pujols and Trout together on the Angels?
What website do you use for playoff % and other stats for specific months?
Only the Mariners could have assembled the best pitching rotation in the league and the worst offensive team SIMULTANEOUSLY. Go M's!!!
It can't be fixed quickly. Take a trip back to 2001 and that team and how it was constructed. No, you're not going to find Ichiros, Brets, and Edgars under every rock, but that's what works in that ballpark. Having the best pitching staff in the most pitcher-friendly ballpark is a misallocation of talent. You need high average, high OBP line-drive hitters who can keep things moving and keep pressure on the opposing pitcher(s). You need 2-3 great starters just to be a winning team and have a shot in the playoffs, but at times over the last 2-3 years the M's have had 6 or even 7 good starters on the roster or in AAA...good when someone gets injured, sure, but too much value in one place. They corrected some of that over the offseason but, as the video points out, didn't really get better with the trades and acquisitions.
You’ve got to play to your park. They should not be trying to be a power team it will not work for them
it hurts to watch this as an ms fan. good video!
Pretty sure Ross Atkins and Jerry went to the same school of running a team
Let’s be honest and this is coming from a mariners fan
This team has always been and will continue to be irrelevant.
We can never seem to get an owner who actually cares about winning they just care to make the team just good enough to bring fans in and make as much money as possible.
This team is such a joke I mean how do you only make the playoffs 5 times in almost 50 years I mean come on at some point you think they would at least become good by accident at least.
It is getting to the point where this team is not even fun to rout for because there is just no point in doing so because deep down you already know the outcome
Awesome video breakdown. Sorry Mariners we all wanna see you in the post season over houston.
Depression