Drobiazko & Vanagas (LTU) - 2002 World Figure Skating Championships, Ice Dancing, Free Dance
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2010
- Nagano, JAPAN - 2002 World Figure Skating Championships, Ice Dancing, Free Dance - Margarita Drobiazko and Povilas Vanagas of Lithuania were stunned and upset when they were placed in 4th in this dance which then dropped them from 3rd to 4th Place overall. The Lithuanian Skating Federation would file a protest which was denied by the ISU. Ironically, the Lithuanians tend to be a favorite with the judges from North American and Western Europe. When you look at this panel of judges, you knew they would be scored irrationally. Because of this snub, 38 of the ice dancers signed a petition protesting the results and had it delivered to the referees of the event. This would be the last straw to break the camel's back with this beloved 6.0 scoring system, and a new interim scoring system would be introduced next season, leading to the implementation of the IJS system, that we know of today, in 2004.
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Listen to the crowd. The Japanese are very a very knowledgeable skating audience and very appreciative of good skating. They knew what had happened and that this team had just got the shaft yet again..
The judges back then were totally insane. This couple was underscored every single time. Shame on them. This program was fantastic and they skated it beautifully
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I wonder what the final placement would have been if both Anissina and Peizerat and Barbara fusar poli and Margaglio had competed in this World championship instead of retiring. That would have been interesting to see. Judging in Ice dance during the 6.0 system was pretty shit with all the corruption and hierarchy system but it became another level of shittier after Grishuk and Platov retired. Like the 2001 & 1999 worlds ice dance final results was a joke especially the 2001! A lot of groups that should have gotten higher placements or should have gotten the medals they deserved didn't get it like A&P should have won 3 Worlds instead of just 1, Drobiazko and Vanagas should have been in top 3 and gotten more medals instead of just 1 bronze and should have gotten bronze in Olympics too. It's a huge joke! The Russians and Italians were handed their medals in a platter by the judges whether it's Worlds or Olympics!
1. Lithuania
2. Israel
3. Canada
Lobacheva/Averbukh didn't have the necessary technical content to begin with.
Actually, at 2000 World's the commentators said they deserved better than 3rd, at least the silver. So that speaks for itself. Here, again they say they considered them in 1st place-and yet again, under marked. Indeed, the amateur world didn't work for them. However, that does not mean the professional world hasn't. They're doing fantastically-crowds still love them.
I would definitely agree here, and I do think they should have been silver in 2000. This competition was a sham! There is so much wrong with them finishing fourth! I would say at least silver, I wouldn't object to Gold either. They are a stronger team than the Italians. It's so frustrating. I'm sure they are great as pros, they have always been popular among the crowd. I miss them but I don't blame them one bit for being so disillusioned.
This was the problem with ice dance under the 6.0 system, if you didn't have a judge on the panel or weren't from a favoured country, you were off the podium. It was ridiculous and infuriating. I watch this now, I still can't understand why this team got the shaft so often, they were better than the Israelis. When Rita and Povilas got back to their hotel, all the skaters, ice dancers, pair teams, and single skaters, gave them a standing ovation.
After all these years I still seriously wanna smash something everytime I think of this. And after all these years my heart still breaks for them over and over again. This is probably the most riddiculous judging I've seen my entire life. No words.
:D This was one of my favorite teams from back then, this was before the USA really made it's mark in Ice Dancing.
I liked it when the Israeli chick said no one was taking away their bronze medal award moment away. Guess what, it was never yours!!!
Fifteen years later and I still would have placed D. and V. 1st in the free dance. My results for the free dance would have been: 1st: Lithuania, 2nd: Canada, 3rd: Israel or Russia. I don't believe there was bribing from the Israeli team, rather, judges always seemed to be against D. & V. I cannot understand how they did not win Gold, and worse, were shut out of the medals. This performance is one of the most artistic and emotional free dances I've ever seen.
Well not neccessary bribing, but....just rewatch all dance competitions from that season and pay particular attention to the Israeli judge (who get which marks and placement from her). It is very interesting and telling...
In my opinion, B/K were absolutely overscored with their MJ Free that looked totally tacky. Modern pairs and single skaters did a way better job in portraying MJ's legacy. B/K were also legendaries overall, but let's not forget that they also sometimes had unlikable programs.
@@MsRumex When it comes to the Israelis in particular, you may think of bribing of course - but I think that before and after this event it was quite clear how much they were underscored 'til the rest of their career due to antisemitism. Drobiazko/Vanagas on the other hand were discriminated for not being "real russians". Both couples were true victims of discrimination.
Yes, I'm still not over the way these two were robbed
This, unfortunately, is the perfect microcosm of their career--constantly being underscored and cheated out of better results. I can't blame Rita for being so upset and not hiding her disappoint for the benefit of the cameras. There is no way to justify the Israelis beating them in the free dance and moving up to bronze. If there is a silver lining, I'm proud that so many of their competitors recognized the injustice and stood up for their friends.
I felt so bad for this team, they were always undermarked, except for 2000, where they won bronze. They should have won bronze in the Olympics and here, bronze at least. The controversy here, combined with the controversy at the Olympics, was why the old system had to be changed, there was way too much controversy, people may complain about the sport losing its artistry (I don't think it has), but a sport can never afford to lose credibility, which skating was in jeopardy of doing after this.
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I would give them silver at SLC, I think they were better than Lobacheva and Averbukh, they had more power and passion. Anissina/Peizerat deserved their gold. It wasn't the Israelis fault at all, those judges were ruining the sport's credibility
If they had skated for russia they would have had better marks...
@intldawn There was speculation that Galit's father was involved with trying to bribe and persuade judges to place the Israelis in medal contention.
@Kevindl1985 I had to say it's "speculation," because that's what I heard from others as well. I just cannot make any direct accusations of what I do not know for a fact... but thank you for your input.
A whole lot better remembered for not been awarded a medal when it was deserved, than "given" one when it wasn't deserved. These guys I believe still touring and still get standing ovations. While the Israelis, well what happened to them? The ugly guy, who knows, and the pretty chick, is a coach.
And there was the problem in ice dance during the 6.0 system, too bias, and only certain countries really had a chance. To have them behind the Israelis who were good but didn't have the same level polish or basic skating, is just a travesty.
I maintain that they were always scored so poorly because TPTB were mad that they chose to compete for Lithuania and not Russia after the wall came down.
That's perhaps a bit far-fetched. I do think though that representing a country like Russia as opposed to a small country like Lithuania (a nation with little tradition and history in figure skating) would've helped their results a great deal. But if they had skated for Russia, they would not have made it to the 92 and 94 Olympics. And maybe even the 98 Olympics (I liked them a lot better than Lobacheva & Averbukh but Linichuk seemed to have a lot of heft within Russia when it came to skating).
@@gk891 Honestly Drobiazko & Vanagas were better than Lobacheva & Averbukh. It's weird how D&V never placed higher than L&A. Lobacheva and Averbukh and Barbara fusar Poli and Margaglio these two teams were lucky that they got placed higher by the judges and got medals which I don't think they deserved cuz there were few other teams that were better than them.
@@alien8855 I agree that Rita and Povilas were much better than L&A. But they actually did place higher than L&A once during the 1999-2000 season. D&V won the bronze at many of the major competitions that season ahead of L&A. Unfortunately they were never able to beat them again even though in many situations, I thought they should've.
@Anonnynonny No arguments here. I will always be very bitter about this and their 5th place finish at the Olympics when two teams ahead of them FELL! I will never understand that. They should have gotten bronze here and at Salt Lake City and I still can find no legitimate reason why they didn't. I feel bad for the Israeli team, too, because it's not their fault. They didn't do anything wrong. This is squarely on the judges. *sigh*
@3Axel1996 No kidding? I didn't realize that. Still, judges should know better.