This is just 1 of 60 videos in our course. We get way more advanced with the lighting, but also show you how to shoot with only one small light or even none. This is the complete roadmap to advanced your cinematography no matter where you are at on your journey. I have loved making all these videos that you have requested!
Mark, I've already emailed you about this, but I must say... I do not think you get "way more advanced" with the lighting in the course. This video here is as advanced as the course ever gets. I was very let down by the Cinematic Eye.
yeah apparently it doesnt get more advanced. and also, its a bold statement to say this is a complete roadmap "no matter where you are at on your journey". like, you got chivo teaching a course?
I almost clicked passed this video as it seemed a bit long and beyond my budget/scope. Boy was I wrong. I loved it. I do commercial interviews for counters and make commercials/adverts and it was so useful. I am making some short dog style mini films for my main client soon and really want to see more of you guys. Brilliant video, you have such a great way of teaching. You are giving new information but It feels like coaching. Awesome mate thanks. Might need to look at your course again….
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This is bringing up some deep anxiety memories from being on shoots and the director & producer would take TOO MUCH TIME deciding on how to light a scene that would only be 5 seconds of the entire program. All the options they had looked amazing lol
Haha yes, when you have too much time it can spawn this weird psychological battle between the creatives on set. Someone finds a problem and the power dynamics and their insecurities/self doubt/egos all kick into play. Sometimes, having no time is actually the best thing for everyone's sanity.
Awesome video with some great concepts. Something that they didn’t touch on in this video (that will probably be covered in the course) is One of the most intimidating things when first coming to set is: where do I start? In this video, they went right for the key, but In general (after choosing your angle), you want to set exposure for what is hardest to control, and in this scene, that’s the window. How bright do you want that reLative to what you will want the lens to shoot at? From there you can go with your ratios for key:fill:backlight:background/ambient. Then you can just set your ratios and there is a lot less guess work to get to a good starting point. Hope this helps!
thx for this free content. two things which you guys could have mentioned: - colour temperature, your lamps are probably at 5600k, the light from outside is just a bit more cold. that also should be discussed when talking about why this may look light. - when your subject seems to be too bright, compared to your background, you should try out to bounce one source in the ceiling an one throw the 8x8... just to brighten up the ambience cheers
The reason it looks sourcy almost no matter what you do is because the light is not motivated from the window behind her. The strongest light should come from the direction of the window and then you could add in softer fill from the front. The best thing you did in this setup was turning on the backlight which made the lighting seem a bit more natural. But in the end it was turned off.
Yep, good feedback here. There are a couple big issues. For starters, at this time of day the light doesn’t come directly through the windows and light the subject and background much, but instead it softly returns off of the environment outside and in turn we are looking at very bright, front lit trees. This means we are fighting to reach a good ambience level inside the room, but also the room itself doesn’t have great light or shape. It also means adding a nice direction light from the windows won’t look natural either. You’ve also blocker he in a way where the soft light coming through the windows doesn’t reach her much and the key light doesn’t “wrap” the window. So at best we have to hope the key light can look like an additional window. I think all of this underlines how scouting and blocking based on knowledge and experience are the foundation of good lighting. If you do these two things well so that you pick the right location, schedule the day for best light, and then block your talent well, lighting becomes much easier and can look much more natural and dynamic.
@@scon1425Great point. It also depends on how long of an interview it is. Light changes, so this comes into play. If you're going to film later in the day to get softer light on the trees, you could have too much of a lighting change if it's a long interview. I'm a neg head, and I love negative fill. You could also use three quarter grid on the hair light to keep the light directed to your subject.
yeah. videos like this make me feel conflicted. on one hand, I appreciate that these guys are trying to help demystify lighting and filmmaking and make it easier for people to get some of the basics. on the other hand, I don't love that people who clearly have a very rudimentary grasp on these ideas themselves are sort of cosplaying as experts and ultimately leading people down the wrong path. I think this setup here is just fundamentally being approached from a lack of experience, and you can kind of feel that they are pretty inexperienced and likely kinda regurgitating things they have seen or heard other do/say. Though the location leaves a lot to be desired, there is a way to get a nice interview setup at this time of day, in this location if that is what you had to do. But ultimately I think it falls flat because in this case our "expert" is a little bit green himself and essentially misses some early steps that would get things on the right track. instead of taking the pth of least resistance, he kinda just tries to pump a bunch of light in and soften it as much as possible, without a core understanding of why taking that approach results in an image that looks "lit" and generally very flat / monotone.@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049
@@scon1425 The gear they are using is top notch! I would hope they are doing commercial work. My gear is not at their level yet! I've had my eye on the Nanlite 500 with the spot attachment. At almost $2k, it's an investment for sure.
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The thing that always seems to get me stuck on set is, WHEN to use which set up. Seeing how you guys communicate in real time to carve out something that you’re both content with is dope!
Hi! Many of you have pointed out how helpful a handheld light meter would have been on this video, and I agree it could have sped up things. That said, we do have many other videos in the course where people are using light meters, for a mid-level skill setup like this we don't often see cinematographers using one, although it's quite useful! Also, when i'm complaining about the light feeling "sourcey" a quick solve could have been backing up the lamps from the diffusion :). Love seeing all the feedback from pro DP's and gaffers in these comments!
I've never used a light meter. Light is my paint brush, so it would get in the way of the artistic expression. I never say never, but I'm not convinced it's absolutely necessary.
It feels sourcey because it’s too front on compared to the perception of where the windows would be. I’d move the key off to the right a bit and bring in some bounce to softly fill in some of the shadows. It would feel more natural but you’d still be able to create a brighter portion of the face which would make her stand out
This is fabulous!! You can have the best camera in world, if you don't know how to light it it will look like shit. In my opinion this is one of the most important things when it comes to video production. Always grateful for your content Mark.
Lighting is probably the most important aspect to shooting anything. However it also highlights how far our cameras still have to go to see the world the way that we do. We wouldn't need half the lighting gear that we do if cameras had better light performance and higher dynamic range.
Hi Mark I just recently came across your channel and man do I wish I would’ve found your stuff a year ago when I first got in to video work. But since I came across your channel I have gained a huge interest in moving towards doing documentaries and can’t wait to get started. Thank you for all you do on here sir!
Quick note: a silk is a type of diffusion. Not a generic term for diffusion. Just like grid cloth there are different types of silks and different densities. Also for the love of god never cut your tennis balls in X’s. Doing so makes it harder to put them on stands than if you use just one cut.
Right-hand rule is ignored with the 4x. Opened toed shoes on crew. Using #2 clamps when you have ties on your rag. Incorrect leg placement of the hair light c stand Your 'boom light' is also ignoring the right hand rule Also, you can shoot a light into the ceiling to bring up the room. I know this is a taste of a course, but this preview has so much of the basics that are incorrect, I can't imagine this course being worth it, lighting wise.
This is being labeled as an "Advanced" course. The basics of stand setup and placement are being done wrong. There's no indication that they're intentionally doing things wrong as a way to get engagement. And if they are, shame on them
I guess you could always use the inverse square law to brighten the background interior if needed, by pulling the main light setup backwards and up the power. Getting the same exposure on her and brighter on background. Might flatten the light on her a bit, but that diffusion is so big that it might not make much difference on her face. Or you could pull the aputure and Nanlite lights back from the diffusion to spill more into the white ceiling and walls. Great vid, thank you!
A note: Adding distance between the light source and the subject makes the shadows MORE harsh, and sharper, not less harsh and softer. I like this video and seeing the differences as you make changes.
Thanks so much for all these videos and really taking the time to show and compare visual examples on screen with do's, dont's, and experiments. Incredibly helpful! 💚
Amazing breakdown ❤ One question, light panels are already huge compared to a regular light, like your 2nd light. How would two regular lights work with this or should I use a softbox or 4x4 1/4 to create a larger key light before hitting the silk?
We dig into the theory/foundations which is good for every cinematographer but then have a series of videos where the lighting gets more and more advanced and so this will be perfect for you as you can jump right into where you want to improve your skills most
Excellent job! An interesting thing you might try here if you don’t have the luxury of an 8x (former gaffer and current DP here) - you could bring the 4x to the very edge of frame and as close to subject as possible, depending on your final comp. This would make it wrap better and become less sourcey. The closer the diffusion is to the subject the softer it will be - and it usually helps the eyes pop. Great video!
Mark long time no see. Thank you so much for uploading this video. I worked on a feature where we did this every day for 3 weeks and still couldn’t rap my head around “why” The amount of detail you put in the video is extremely helpful. I’m curious how you would do this lighting set up if the subject was wearing glasses because of reflections?
Great video! Something confusing I’m seeing in here…isn’t grid cloth different than silk? I’m assuming that this was silent grid and not silk used in this video. The same strengths are available in silk as well but it’s a different quality in the type of diffusion.
Hey, yes grids and silks are different, and both have multiple diffusion options. usually it comes down to personal preference which one people prefer. I prefer grids over silks and so our package trucks have all grids. Early in my career I used silks a lot more and then made the which to grids. I think the comment I made at 4:03 was more that we had a variety of grids available on the truck package for testing for the purpose of this video. Both are great options; cheers!
@@DerekLamoureux I agree! I prefer the grid cloth as well. I was more talking about the text in the lower thirds calling the grid cloth silks. Just wanted to clarify this for anyone who ends up purchasing diffusion material based on this video. Fantastic teaching in this btw!
This is super helpful to me to know how DPs think as I move more and more into video. One observation, coming from a photography background, so I don't really know what I'm talking about when it comes to video... The screen you are using to judge these lighting changes seems much more contrasty than the final edit. The side by side scenes shown on the RUclips video show much more subtle differences. As I was watching this with my photographer's mind I was amazed at the effort to soften the edges of shadows and balance contrast. The concerns about contrast seems to me a little anachronistic. Today's modern sensors handle more DR than cameras from even a few years ago. Is it really necessary to flatten scenes so much? As shown in the post processing of the video shown here, in contrast to what we see on the monitor within the video, a lot can be done in post... not meaning major effort, just meaning adjusting highlight and shadow levels. To this point, you guys were walking around these super bright light sources during this shoot, we can observe as you move around the room the way the camera you shot this on handles high DR situations. It often looks great.
Yep absolutely agree man, the reality is the differences in the lighting are very subtle when using the different diffusions. The amount of this finessing would only really happen on big shoots when there is lots of time allocated for each shot. Putting a single soft source off to the side quickly will usually result in a great looking image for most run and gun situations. Ultimately it comes down to the intention of the video. Big Budget = More people seeing it, you want it to look the absolute best. Small Budget = A quickly positioned soft source is going to look just fine. And it is true, DM range of cameras now is insane. You can simply shoot with natural light, employing the basic lighting rules (back lighting, diffusing the sun) and it's going to look great.
Great stuff. I like the mention of using a power window. Maybe I missed it but what is the advantage or reason for adding more diffusion vs. just turning the power down on the light if it's too hot?
I would like to know more about the manufacturers of the products too. I love the cardeliini center clamp and painters pole hack! Its so time consuming to set up a giant silk on all four sides. Who makes your silk? 8' x 8' half many be up soon for my kit.
Excuse me, may I ask what you think about the following light stand? I recently found a new light stand on top of Amazon, it has six sections of removable rods up to 8.2' long, it has two sliding arm pistol grips that allow me to quickly adjust the PLM and softboxes at the same time, my current studio is an 8 ' and I can adjust its height as I want, and at only cost $159 . Do you think it will do help for the lighting efficiency.
Nice job, but since you guys were trying to go all out, I definitely think you needed something to increase the ambient light in the room. Another 8x8 out of frame left, behind the subject, either as a bounce or adding a very small amount of light would have done wonders.
This also is why it looked source-y. You first exposed for outside. Great. You then lit the subject with soft light and tailored the amount of light to properly expose the subject. Great. Now outside and subject are well exposed. So why does it look source-y? The contrast ratio between subject and indoor ambience is unnatural. Would have been perfect if the ambient lighting was added.
At 04:50, there is a fundamental error about how lights work. The closer the light, the SOFTER the shadow will be . Your caption effectively says the exact opposite.
if the light looks too sourcy, how about distancing it a bit or even reducing the light power Again I think the right place to put the C Stand is behind the diffusion fabric and not in front
There are also other varieties of diffusion fabrics made from different types of fabrics and plastics including but not limited to: muslin (very thick & can be used as a bounce or diffusion), natural silk, poly silk, highlight, soft frost, and many others. I lean heavily on grid cloth because the thickness of each is actually measured for consistency so you can know how many stops of light are lost through the diffusion. Generally speaking any opaque surface that can refract light can be used as a diffusion source. This includes clouds, smoke, atmospheric haze both artificial and natural, I’ve even used condensation on a glass window. Plenty of ways to do it and they all look and feel slightly different! Head to your local rental house or film school to try a bunch of variations if you want to find your favorites!
The principles introduced are stellar, thanks for the mini masterclass. I'm wondering if an Aputure 600d (or equivalent) and a light dome 150 (huge) pushed through 8x8 1/4 silk (or maybe not?) might have achieved a similar result...
2 ton grip package. I'd love to see lighting essential for traveling to a location. How can a one man team back a backpack and still have decent lighting options? 🤔
Also talking about backlight like it’s a style is a bit misleading. The backlight in the 90s was always extremely harsh usually from an open face tungsten source or something. It’s still an important tool and can be dialled in to make it less obvious and super subtle while still stopping the hair from falling to black and adding some very subtle separation. Especially in a setup like this where you have light from the windows behind a very subtle hair light would help to continue the backlight you’re getting on the sofas etc and make it feel more natural
Something that could have impacted how you light is whether or not talent is looking off camera or directly on. It seemed like this was primarily for looking directly at camera and are you shooting into the shadow side if off camera? Another factor to consider.. If off... you could have approached from the side more, brought in fill to lessen your contrast ratio and had it look more like light from the windows were lighting your subject. The COB light could have been the main key motivated by the windows and coming in more from the side, and your panel could have been the fill to keep contrast ratio low to match the environment. The light you ended on definitely didn't look source-y but it also didn't look very motivated.
Very nice tutorial! How would you deal with change of the sunlight in this case? I found myself lighting an interview very nice but then the sun changes and the whole atmosphere of the room changes.
Quick tip, Use tennis balls on the ends of your tripods in order to not scratch the floors instead of using huge sheets... Easy and inexpensive.. Edit, lol you mentioned it later on..
Hello. Very interesting and informative. I live in Quebec. Do you where online I can buy c-stands, silks, cloths, boards (everything that I might need to bounce or diffuse light) and everything to attach them on a c-stand? Thanks.
“It’s feeling source-y because it’s quarter grid, so it’s not really taking the level off our subject” is also misleading. While quarter grid does reduce the light level less than heavier diffusion, the level is not why quarter grid tends to look source-y, but instead it’s because lighter diffusion fabrics don’t diffuse the light as much as heavier diffusion fabrics. If it was just about level you could dim the light down.
lol , your “sourcey “ light was because your fixture was too close to your scrim. If you wanted a big soft light you should have pulled the key light source back till it filled the 8x8x space. If you did not have power then add your second light the same distance back . C;amping the fabrics is fast and easy but abusive to the silk. It’s the easiest way to tear your silk right at the edge . The clove hitch is your friend . It’s fast and easy. Use your pony clamps to contain the silk on the ends and have them pointed down not up this way you can get your bar close to the ceiling.
What would happen if you used two 1/4 or 1/2 grids spread out. Set it up so the light hits one grid then travels a certain distance and hits the next grip resulting in double diffusion? I guess you would need lots of room & steps.
The result would largely be the same as using the full grid, although it would likely be a bit softer because it would spread more evenly than have the source right behind a single frame. You would, however, need a lot of light because the further the light gets from the subject the darker it gets. This technique is referred to as “double breaking” a light. That said, it’s debatable that the light really would benefit from being softer as this setup is already basically a front lighting situation and is plenty soft.
How did you manage to get the exposure set so the natural light coming through the windows in the background was t blown out while keeping the subject perfectly exposed at the same time?
Neutral density filters. At a very basic level, it works like this: Step 1) Expose for the windows using an ND filter so you can keep your shutter at 180 degrees or 1/48 or 1/50, depending on your camera. Step 2) Blast enough light at the subject to make a convincing match between the level outside and inside. Step 3) Finesse the lights like you’ve seen in this video so it doesn’t look like you have a giant lamp shooting at the subject. - Also, if you don’t have a lot of lighting firepower, do not shoot with windows in the background.
Great video! If the window is visible within the frame, the key light and the window should be set to the same T-stop. The subject should not be exposed brighter than the window. Honestly, a light meter would make this process faster.
Certainly agree, and in the course we have even more advanced lighting setups where the DPs use light meters to dial in lamp power and exposure. For this video, the intended audience wouldn’t likely be using one.
Hey mark this has peaked my interest in buying module one AOD, I went to the website and while the price isn’t cheap, I am still very interested. However I am confused by the “waitlist” thing. I might ask for this as a Christmas gift so how would I handle that, should I go ahead and get on the wait list? A little puzzled how to buy it when it’s only open at certain times of the year and such. Let me know, thanks!! This video was great!
Hey Billie! We only “open the doors” for AOD to be available for purchase twice a year. So starting Sept 8th for two weeks the course will be available. Our early bird discount pricing is only available for the first 72hrs. If you’re needing it as a Christmas gift from family, please shoot an email to info@aodfilm.com and our team can help
@@DerekLamoureux im not seeing T Bar on the modern studio site. Is it just the two pieces of square tubing and the ear for 1" Square Tube? Also who sells the knurled Baby pin you have to hang the tube light from the grip head?
@@compadresfilmco yes, it's part of the 4' 8x8 breakdown kit, i dont know if you can buy it indivudually- may have to call and ask Modern; but having the full 8x8 breakdown kit is great
As softness of light is dependent of source to subject size ratio , you can also get the same level of softness on a face ,by having a smaller source closer to your subject ,as a much larger one farther away. The only difference is level of drop off. Your light is way too close to the diff in the early shots , thats why its sourcy , its not filing the frame evenly . Get the frame closer and move the light back. Generally you would want to keep the back ground darker than the subject , and hair lights .. Just say no !
@@jaimcgregor Yeah thats the physics , its the only thing that changes the softness of the light , even a small Fresnel light ,will light a very small object with soft light, if its close enough. And the opposite , the sun is a huge source ,but its far from earth , so on a clear day its a very hard light , cloud cover, makes the source much bigger and closer , we get soft light. You can get exactly the same softness of light with a 4x4 , evenly lit, in close ,as an 8x8 farther way. But the drop off of light will be much faster with the smaller source , which its why they use much bigger diff frames on drama,s , so the actors can walk around the set without suddenly getting darker. But interviews this is less of a concern. You don't need to have a bigger diff frame, miles away from the subject next to the camera like that. You can use a smaller one closer in. Get it in frame and then just move it out till its clear . You also need to fill the diff as evenly as possible , thats why book lights are used when you cant get the light back far enough to fill the frame evenly. As seen in this example when the light was very close to diff screen , actually attached to the same stand , in the 4x4 example its not the strength of the screen its not lighting it evenly thats the problem.
Agreed. He was only at 40% on the COBB light so he could have backed that up and gone toward full output. I like putting grids/egg crate on as well to better control the spread.
This is just 1 of 60 videos in our course. We get way more advanced with the lighting, but also show you how to shoot with only one small light or even none. This is the complete roadmap to advanced your cinematography no matter where you are at on your journey. I have loved making all these videos that you have requested!
Thanks Mark for this video. So grateful.
Mark, I've already emailed you about this, but I must say... I do not think you get "way more advanced" with the lighting in the course. This video here is as advanced as the course ever gets. I was very let down by the Cinematic Eye.
yeah apparently it doesnt get more advanced. and also, its a bold statement to say this is a complete roadmap "no matter where you are at on your journey". like, you got chivo teaching a course?
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I almost clicked passed this video as it seemed a bit long and beyond my budget/scope. Boy was I wrong. I loved it. I do commercial interviews for counters and make commercials/adverts and it was so useful. I am making some short dog style mini films for my main client soon and really want to see more of you guys. Brilliant video, you have such a great way of teaching. You are giving new information but It feels like coaching. Awesome mate thanks. Might need to look at your course again….
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This is bringing up some deep anxiety memories from being on shoots and the director & producer would take TOO MUCH TIME deciding on how to light a scene that would only be 5 seconds of the entire program. All the options they had looked amazing lol
Correct, diminishing returns
Haha yes, when you have too much time it can spawn this weird psychological battle between the creatives on set. Someone finds a problem and the power dynamics and their insecurities/self doubt/egos all kick into play. Sometimes, having no time is actually the best thing for everyone's sanity.
This was incredible. Thank you so much Derek and Matt!
Awesome video with some great concepts.
Something that they didn’t touch on in this video (that will probably be covered in the course) is One of the most intimidating things when first coming to set is: where do I start? In this video, they went right for the key, but In general (after choosing your angle), you want to set exposure for what is hardest to control, and in this scene, that’s the window. How bright do you want that reLative to what you will want the lens to shoot at? From there you can go with your ratios for key:fill:backlight:background/ambient.
Then you can just set your ratios and there is a lot less guess work to get to a good starting point.
Hope this helps!
thx for this free content.
two things which you guys could have mentioned:
- colour temperature, your lamps are probably at 5600k, the light from outside is just a bit more cold. that also should be discussed when talking about why this may look light.
- when your subject seems to be too bright, compared to your background, you should try out to bounce one source in the ceiling an one throw the 8x8... just to brighten up the ambience
cheers
The reason it looks sourcy almost no matter what you do is because the light is not motivated from the window behind her.
The strongest light should come from the direction of the window and then you could add in softer fill from the front. The best thing you did in this setup was turning on the backlight which made the lighting seem a bit more natural. But in the end it was turned off.
Yep, good feedback here. There are a couple big issues. For starters, at this time of day the light doesn’t come directly through the windows and light the subject and background much, but instead it softly returns off of the environment outside and in turn we are looking at very bright, front lit trees. This means we are fighting to reach a good ambience level inside the room, but also the room itself doesn’t have great light or shape. It also means adding a nice direction light from the windows won’t look natural either. You’ve also blocker he in a way where the soft light coming through the windows doesn’t reach her much and the key light doesn’t “wrap” the window. So at best we have to hope the key light can look like an additional window. I think all of this underlines how scouting and blocking based on knowledge and experience are the foundation of good lighting. If you do these two things well so that you pick the right location, schedule the day for best light, and then block your talent well, lighting becomes much easier and can look much more natural and dynamic.
@@scon1425Great point. It also depends on how long of an interview it is. Light changes, so this comes into play. If you're going to film later in the day to get softer light on the trees, you could have too much of a lighting change if it's a long interview. I'm a neg head, and I love negative fill. You could also use three quarter grid on the hair light to keep the light directed to your subject.
yeah. videos like this make me feel conflicted. on one hand, I appreciate that these guys are trying to help demystify lighting and filmmaking and make it easier for people to get some of the basics. on the other hand, I don't love that people who clearly have a very rudimentary grasp on these ideas themselves are sort of cosplaying as experts and ultimately leading people down the wrong path. I think this setup here is just fundamentally being approached from a lack of experience, and you can kind of feel that they are pretty inexperienced and likely kinda regurgitating things they have seen or heard other do/say. Though the location leaves a lot to be desired, there is a way to get a nice interview setup at this time of day, in this location if that is what you had to do. But ultimately I think it falls flat because in this case our "expert" is a little bit green himself and essentially misses some early steps that would get things on the right track. instead of taking the pth of least resistance, he kinda just tries to pump a bunch of light in and soften it as much as possible, without a core understanding of why taking that approach results in an image that looks "lit" and generally very flat / monotone.@@rickdeckardbladerunner2049
@@scon1425 The gear they are using is top notch! I would hope they are doing commercial work. My gear is not at their level yet! I've had my eye on the Nanlite 500 with the spot attachment. At almost $2k, it's an investment for sure.
My point exactly.
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The thing that always seems to get me stuck on set is, WHEN to use which set up. Seeing how you guys communicate in real time to carve out something that you’re both content with is dope!
Hi! Many of you have pointed out how helpful a handheld light meter would have been on this video, and I agree it could have sped up things. That said, we do have many other videos in the course where people are using light meters, for a mid-level skill setup like this we don't often see cinematographers using one, although it's quite useful! Also, when i'm complaining about the light feeling "sourcey" a quick solve could have been backing up the lamps from the diffusion :). Love seeing all the feedback from pro DP's and gaffers in these comments!
I've never used a light meter. Light is my paint brush, so it would get in the way of the artistic expression. I never say never, but I'm not convinced it's absolutely necessary.
It feels sourcey because it’s too front on compared to the perception of where the windows would be. I’d move the key off to the right a bit and bring in some bounce to softly fill in some of the shadows. It would feel more natural but you’d still be able to create a brighter portion of the face which would make her stand out
This is fabulous!! You can have the best camera in world, if you don't know how to light it it will look like shit. In my opinion this is one of the most important things when it comes to video production. Always grateful for your content Mark.
Thanks mate! Glad it’s helping :)
This style of video are my favorite in AOD 🔥
Lighting is probably the most important aspect to shooting anything. However it also highlights how far our cameras still have to go to see the world the way that we do. We wouldn't need half the lighting gear that we do if cameras had better light performance and higher dynamic range.
Hi Mark I just recently came across your channel and man do I wish I would’ve found your stuff a year ago when I first got in to video work. But since I came across your channel I have gained a huge interest in moving towards doing documentaries and can’t wait to get started. Thank you for all you do on here sir!
Quick note: a silk is a type of diffusion. Not a generic term for diffusion. Just like grid cloth there are different types of silks and different densities. Also for the love of god never cut your tennis balls in X’s. Doing so makes it harder to put them on stands than if you use just one cut.
Right-hand rule is ignored with the 4x.
Opened toed shoes on crew. Using #2 clamps when you have ties on your rag.
Incorrect leg placement of the hair light c stand
Your 'boom light' is also ignoring the right hand rule
Also, you can shoot a light into the ceiling to bring up the room.
I know this is a taste of a course, but this preview has so much of the basics that are incorrect, I can't imagine this course being worth it, lighting wise.
Knuckles on the right for safety.
Actually with the possible missteps, mistakes, and or anything in between, this course might be worth it. to teach what not to do.
This is being labeled as an "Advanced" course. The basics of stand setup and placement are being done wrong.
There's no indication that they're intentionally doing things wrong as a way to get engagement.
And if they are, shame on them
Yes. It was extra nerve racking that they are putting the light over talent…
I guess you could always use the inverse square law to brighten the background interior if needed, by pulling the main light setup backwards and up the power. Getting the same exposure on her and brighter on background. Might flatten the light on her a bit, but that diffusion is so big that it might not make much difference on her face. Or you could pull the aputure and Nanlite lights back from the diffusion to spill more into the white ceiling and walls. Great vid, thank you!
A note: Adding distance between the light source and the subject makes the shadows MORE harsh, and sharper, not less harsh and softer. I like this video and seeing the differences as you make changes.
Pure gold thank you guys
Thanks so much for all these videos and really taking the time to show and compare visual examples on screen with do's, dont's, and experiments. Incredibly helpful! 💚
Amazing breakdown ❤ One question, light panels are already huge compared to a regular light, like your 2nd light. How would two regular lights work with this or should I use a softbox or 4x4 1/4 to create a larger key light before hitting the silk?
Love this series , hope you making more video like this❤
Can you tell me that that small red T-shaped object is at the top of the C-stand. can you share a list of the gear you used?
Can you provide a course on the business side - pricing, negotiation, hiring a crew/how much to pay them, marketing & sales, etc?
This is insanely valuable. I've been a DP for 3 years. Who exactly is The Cinematic Eye designed for? Beginner? Advanced?
We dig into the theory/foundations which is good for every cinematographer but then have a series of videos where the lighting gets more and more advanced and so this will be perfect for you as you can jump right into where you want to improve your skills most
Excellent job! An interesting thing you might try here if you don’t have the luxury of an 8x (former gaffer and current DP here) - you could bring the 4x to the very edge of frame and as close to subject as possible, depending on your final comp. This would make it wrap better and become less sourcey. The closer the diffusion is to the subject the softer it will be - and it usually helps the eyes pop.
Great video!
Good suggestion. And the OPPOSITE of the on screen text, which appears to be an error.
Lovely. Thanks for making this! Also, Im glad you have a course.
Mark long time no see. Thank you so much for uploading this video. I worked on a feature where we did this every day for 3 weeks and still couldn’t rap my head around “why”
The amount of detail you put in the video is extremely helpful.
I’m curious how you would do this lighting set up if the subject was wearing glasses because of reflections?
Great video! Something confusing I’m seeing in here…isn’t grid cloth different than silk? I’m assuming that this was silent grid and not silk used in this video. The same strengths are available in silk as well but it’s a different quality in the type of diffusion.
Hey, yes grids and silks are different, and both have multiple diffusion options. usually it comes down to personal preference which one people prefer. I prefer grids over silks and so our package trucks have all grids. Early in my career I used silks a lot more and then made the which to grids. I think the comment I made at 4:03 was more that we had a variety of grids available on the truck package for testing for the purpose of this video. Both are great options; cheers!
@@DerekLamoureux I agree! I prefer the grid cloth as well. I was more talking about the text in the lower thirds calling the grid cloth silks. Just wanted to clarify this for anyone who ends up purchasing diffusion material based on this video. Fantastic teaching in this btw!
Bro those flipflops are next level
Very cool insight
This is super helpful to me to know how DPs think as I move more and more into video. One observation, coming from a photography background, so I don't really know what I'm talking about when it comes to video... The screen you are using to judge these lighting changes seems much more contrasty than the final edit. The side by side scenes shown on the RUclips video show much more subtle differences.
As I was watching this with my photographer's mind I was amazed at the effort to soften the edges of shadows and balance contrast. The concerns about contrast seems to me a little anachronistic. Today's modern sensors handle more DR than cameras from even a few years ago. Is it really necessary to flatten scenes so much? As shown in the post processing of the video shown here, in contrast to what we see on the monitor within the video, a lot can be done in post... not meaning major effort, just meaning adjusting highlight and shadow levels. To this point, you guys were walking around these super bright light sources during this shoot, we can observe as you move around the room the way the camera you shot this on handles high DR situations. It often looks great.
Yep absolutely agree man, the reality is the differences in the lighting are very subtle when using the different diffusions. The amount of this finessing would only really happen on big shoots when there is lots of time allocated for each shot. Putting a single soft source off to the side quickly will usually result in a great looking image for most run and gun situations. Ultimately it comes down to the intention of the video. Big Budget = More people seeing it, you want it to look the absolute best. Small Budget = A quickly positioned soft source is going to look just fine.
And it is true, DM range of cameras now is insane. You can simply shoot with natural light, employing the basic lighting rules (back lighting, diffusing the sun) and it's going to look great.
Great stuff. I like the mention of using a power window. Maybe I missed it but what is the advantage or reason for adding more diffusion vs. just turning the power down on the light if it's too hot?
more diffusion softens the light even further
hi and thanks for the video!
What is the name of the t-Bar?
Blessings&Greetings
Fantastic walk through! More of this please!
We have dozens in our Cinematic Eye course! You can find more there :) theartofdocumentary.com
I would like to know more about the manufacturers of the products too. I love the cardeliini center clamp and painters pole hack! Its so time consuming to set up a giant silk on all four sides. Who makes your silk? 8' x 8' half many be up soon for my kit.
Excuse me, may I ask what you think about the following light stand? I recently found a new light stand on top of Amazon, it has six sections of removable rods up to 8.2' long, it has two sliding arm pistol grips that allow me to quickly adjust the PLM and softboxes at the same time, my current studio is an 8 ' and I can adjust its height as I want, and at only cost $159 . Do you think it will do help for the lighting efficiency.
Nice job, but since you guys were trying to go all out, I definitely think you needed something to increase the ambient light in the room. Another 8x8 out of frame left, behind the subject, either as a bounce or adding a very small amount of light would have done wonders.
This also is why it looked source-y. You first exposed for outside. Great. You then lit the subject with soft light and tailored the amount of light to properly expose the subject. Great. Now outside and subject are well exposed. So why does it look source-y? The contrast ratio between subject and indoor ambience is unnatural. Would have been perfect if the ambient lighting was added.
At 04:50, there is a fundamental error about how lights work. The closer the light, the SOFTER the shadow will be . Your caption effectively says the exact opposite.
if the light looks too sourcy, how about distancing it a bit or even reducing the light power
Again I think the right place to put the C Stand is behind the diffusion fabric and not in front
There are also other varieties of diffusion fabrics made from different types of fabrics and plastics including but not limited to: muslin (very thick & can be used as a bounce or diffusion), natural silk, poly silk, highlight, soft frost, and many others. I lean heavily on grid cloth because the thickness of each is actually measured for consistency so you can know how many stops of light are lost through the diffusion. Generally speaking any opaque surface that can refract light can be used as a diffusion source. This includes clouds, smoke, atmospheric haze both artificial and natural, I’ve even used condensation on a glass window. Plenty of ways to do it and they all look and feel slightly different! Head to your local rental house or film school to try a bunch of variations if you want to find your favorites!
Great info
The principles introduced are stellar, thanks for the mini masterclass. I'm wondering if an Aputure 600d (or equivalent) and a light dome 150 (huge) pushed through 8x8 1/4 silk (or maybe not?) might have achieved a similar result...
I would consider some fill or bounce instead of trying to have a house-sized light source that "feels sourcy"
2 ton grip package. I'd love to see lighting essential for traveling to a location. How can a one man team back a backpack and still have decent lighting options? 🤔
We have that video in the course! We also just emailed it for free if you’re on our waitlistb
@@markbone - I’m on the list. 👌
Great Stuff. Keep'em coming like this!
Also talking about backlight like it’s a style is a bit misleading. The backlight in the 90s was always extremely harsh usually from an open face tungsten source or something. It’s still an important tool and can be dialled in to make it less obvious and super subtle while still stopping the hair from falling to black and adding some very subtle separation. Especially in a setup like this where you have light from the windows behind a very subtle hair light would help to continue the backlight you’re getting on the sofas etc and make it feel more natural
Something that could have impacted how you light is whether or not talent is looking off camera or directly on. It seemed like this was primarily for looking directly at camera and are you shooting into the shadow side if off camera? Another factor to consider.. If off... you could have approached from the side more, brought in fill to lessen your contrast ratio and had it look more like light from the windows were lighting your subject. The COB light could have been the main key motivated by the windows and coming in more from the side, and your panel could have been the fill to keep contrast ratio low to match the environment.
The light you ended on definitely didn't look source-y but it also didn't look very motivated.
Just my 2 cents. I'm a student every day. I realize I sound preachy or whatever. I don't mean to.
Great Video!
Very nice tutorial!
How would you deal with change of the sunlight in this case? I found myself lighting an interview very nice but then the sun changes and the whole atmosphere of the room changes.
LFG!!!! Open the freaking doors already!!!!
Loved this
Quick tip, Use tennis balls on the ends of your tripods in order to not scratch the floors instead of using huge sheets... Easy and inexpensive.. Edit, lol you mentioned it later on..
Stoked for this release!🔥
What brand are you glasses? I want some good glasses like you but I could not find any! Yours are dope! 🔥
How much I enjoyed this video is proportional of how much I dislike hair light, glad you got rid of it. 😁
Did you grip overhead light a little bit wrong or maybe you have counter clockwise screws in Canada? 🤔
My thoughts exactly. The hair light was rigged in an unsafe manner.
Id like to see with mark sitting in and how to avoid reflections on the glasses.
i would take them off hahaha
Hello. Very interesting and informative. I live in Quebec. Do you where online I can buy c-stands, silks, cloths, boards (everything that I might need to bounce or diffuse light) and everything to attach them on a c-stand? Thanks.
Hey Mark awesome video! Please what light stands did you use there? The ones with the red.
love iit hope you and your team doing more series of kind video
Why am I excited for something I won't get to be part of? lmao. Can't wait to see the documentaries that come from the students this year!
Leeroy! Be a part of it brother!!
@@markbone once the money is no issue then I’m in!💪🏾
I'm hear for listening to that heavy Canadian accent. Makes me feel so warm and comfy inside. Sorey but I had to say it. :D
Hahahaha 🇨🇦🍁
So much knowledge in this video!!!!!
glad you liked it!
Is this course about Lighting or Cinematography, Which aspect is focused more?
Both! We go into all aspects!
Thanks for sharing this information 🤙🏾
loved this!
Very valuable explanation here 💯👀
This was awesome!
greath video thank Mark
Robert Richardson is the GOAT.
“It’s feeling source-y because it’s quarter grid, so it’s not really taking the level off our subject” is also misleading. While quarter grid does reduce the light level less than heavier diffusion, the level is not why quarter grid tends to look source-y, but instead it’s because lighter diffusion fabrics don’t diffuse the light as much as heavier diffusion fabrics. If it was just about level you could dim the light down.
I actually liked it with just the hard light at the end ha
lol , your “sourcey “ light was because your fixture was too close to your scrim. If you wanted a big soft light you should have pulled the key light source back till it filled the 8x8x space. If you did not have power then add your second light the same distance back . C;amping the fabrics is fast and easy but abusive to the silk. It’s the easiest way to tear your silk right at the edge . The clove hitch is your friend . It’s fast and easy. Use your pony clamps to contain the silk on the ends and have them pointed down not up this way you can get your bar close to the ceiling.
I see this woman at every rave I attend.
What would happen if you used two 1/4 or 1/2 grids spread out. Set it up so the light hits one grid then travels a certain distance and hits the next grip resulting in double diffusion? I guess you would need lots of room & steps.
Lots of room. More would just cut the light more
The result would largely be the same as using the full grid, although it would likely be a bit softer because it would spread more evenly than have the source right behind a single frame. You would, however, need a lot of light because the further the light gets from the subject the darker it gets. This technique is referred to as “double breaking” a light. That said, it’s debatable that the light really would benefit from being softer as this setup is already basically a front lighting situation and is plenty soft.
Somebody give her kudos for her patience please :)))
Can't find that T bar thing anywhere. help.
How did you manage to get the exposure set so the natural light coming through the windows in the background was t blown out while keeping the subject perfectly exposed at the same time?
Neutral density filters. At a very basic level, it works like this: Step 1) Expose for the windows using an ND filter so you can keep your shutter at 180 degrees or 1/48 or 1/50, depending on your camera. Step 2) Blast enough light at the subject to make a convincing match between the level outside and inside. Step 3) Finesse the lights like you’ve seen in this video so it doesn’t look like you have a giant lamp shooting at the subject. - Also, if you don’t have a lot of lighting firepower, do not shoot with windows in the background.
Wish I had a team to work and learn with
Awesome video!! thank you so much!
Got to take this course.
heck yeah!
'' Cinematography is your preference''.....that's a good take away.
Thank You, Mark ❤
You’re most welcome
how do you guys paint your grip equipment? does it flake off really easy?
Maybe bouncing it instead of shooting through diffusion would have reduced the "source" look of the light?
Great video! If the window is visible within the frame, the key light and the window should be set to the same T-stop. The subject should not be exposed brighter than the window. Honestly, a light meter would make this process faster.
Certainly agree, and in the course we have even more advanced lighting setups where the DPs use light meters to dial in lamp power and exposure. For this video, the intended audience wouldn’t likely be using one.
Love it bro
Hey mark this has peaked my interest in buying module one AOD, I went to the website and while the price isn’t cheap, I am still very interested. However I am confused by the “waitlist” thing. I might ask for this as a Christmas gift so how would I handle that, should I go ahead and get on the wait list? A little puzzled how to buy it when it’s only open at certain times of the year and such. Let me know, thanks!! This video was great!
Hey Billie! We only “open the doors” for AOD to be available for purchase twice a year. So starting Sept 8th for two weeks the course will be available. Our early bird discount pricing is only available for the first 72hrs. If you’re needing it as a Christmas gift from family, please shoot an email to info@aodfilm.com and our team can help
Awesome thanks man!
Thanks guys!
What kind of T-bar clamp are you using?
I learned alot thanks
Thank you so much!
You’re welcome so much
What's the brand of this T-bar you are using? Looks solid!
It’s modern studio
Merci!
@@DerekLamoureux im not seeing T Bar on the modern studio site. Is it just the two pieces of square tubing and the ear for 1" Square Tube? Also who sells the knurled Baby pin you have to hang the tube light from the grip head?
@@compadresfilmco yes, it's part of the 4' 8x8 breakdown kit, i dont know if you can buy it indivudually- may have to call and ask Modern; but having the full 8x8 breakdown kit is great
Sorry for asking but am curious, what's your intention when you put your fingers in front of the camera lens in relation to the light setup?
As softness of light is dependent of source to subject size ratio , you can also get the same level of softness on a face ,by having a smaller source closer to your subject ,as a much larger one farther away. The only difference is level of drop off. Your light is way too close to the diff in the early shots , thats why its sourcy , its not filing the frame evenly . Get the frame closer and move the light back. Generally you would want to keep the back ground darker than the subject , and hair lights .. Just say no !
Yep, that's always been my understanding as well. The closer the light is, the softer it is.
@@jaimcgregor Yeah thats the physics , its the only thing that changes the softness of the light , even a small Fresnel light ,will light a very small object with soft light, if its close enough. And the opposite , the sun is a huge source ,but its far from earth , so on a clear day its a very hard light , cloud cover, makes the source much bigger and closer , we get soft light. You can get exactly the same softness of light with a 4x4 , evenly lit, in close ,as an 8x8 farther way. But the drop off of light will be much faster with the smaller source , which its why they use much bigger diff frames on drama,s , so the actors can walk around the set without suddenly getting darker. But interviews this is less of a concern. You don't need to have a bigger diff frame, miles away from the subject next to the camera like that. You can use a smaller one closer in. Get it in frame and then just move it out till its clear . You also need to fill the diff as evenly as possible , thats why book lights are used when you cant get the light back far enough to fill the frame evenly. As seen in this example when the light was very close to diff screen , actually attached to the same stand , in the 4x4 example its not the strength of the screen its not lighting it evenly thats the problem.
Agreed. He was only at 40% on the COBB light so he could have backed that up and gone toward full output. I like putting grids/egg crate on as well to better control the spread.
love it. ❤
I'm getting flashbacks from my Canadian hockey coach(in the US). That dude's up and down in pitch is dead on my coach. lol
and a bit of my cali surfer bud.