Laminate will ruin just about any carbide blade which is why they make a PCD blade for that. Well worth it if your installing a bunch of it, for small job cheap blade and toss it or plan on sharpening.
Aluminum oxide is in laminate flooring. Instead of using miter saw you should invest in a cheap laminate cutter. Been doing it since high school and it has saved alooot of money not having to buy a $50 blade for every job. Pro tip 👌
It seems like most of the cheap ones don’t cut very clean at all and can’t cut small pieces. I decided to buy a $60 blade for my 500 sq ft laminate job rather than spending the same amount in the Roberts cutter that has as many bad reviews as good ones. Hopefully I didn’t screw up for this one time job. Seems like some of the more expensive laminate/tile cutter work really well but didn’t want to invest $200-400 as a diy-er.
Had to dislike this because it just shows a dull blade with no proof of context. Laminate definitely does dull a blade although, the first thing it does is gum it up.
@@supercleanone8038 No, it is slightly softer than carbide. If will grind it slowly, but will be difficult to produce a clean cutting edge. Usually diamond abrasives are used.
I 100% agree its the flooring. I have done a ton of pergo floors and it never gums saw blade, it dulls it fast, even the best blades have short life with laminate floors. Get cheap blades and change often.
I am 36 year in the floor business, so believe me when I tell you, this is easily avoidable. When cutting laminate flooring, you have to chop through the material vary quickly. A single slow cut can ruin a blade, so start with a freshly sharpened blade. It should feel strang at first to chop through the piece. If it doesn't, the you are probably going to slow. You really want to slam it down. Do this, and your blades will go through thousands of cuts before needing to be sharpened.
Idk of this works but, 99% sure this is a joke, I mean if you go fast no matter how fast ur blade is spinning your just gonna splinter through the wood and potentially even snap the blade which is fun of course
@@peter2213 It's not a joke, and I believe the reason it works is that laminate, unlike wood, has carbon in the melamine surface that causes lots of heat at the rim of the blade, on the teeth. By chopping you are not rubbing the teeth on the carbonized melamine surface. But that is just an educated guess. But honestly, I have used the same blade on thousands of feet only to have a helper ruin a blade after just a couple of cuts by not following my instructions. Fortunately, I have a guy that sharpens them.
@@patrickg5286 I usually use snips/cutters for Hardy, but I am usually cutting sheets and not boards. But I will definitely try that if I ever find myself cutting boards.
@@josephdestaubin7426 my last job, we used a lot of Hardie 1X4 (¾ thick) for exterior door casing. Only way to cut it with a chop saw is to turn it on the side and slam the blade through it. Otherwise the blade will be smoking by the 2nd cut.
The top finish on some laminate flooring is made from aluminum oxide. Same stuff grinding wheels are made from. I bought a shear for doing laminate. Best thing going. No getting up and down. And most of all. Don't loan tools.
@@danfoster4871 It is a huge timesaver. No more up and down, or sawdust. Depending on the flooring there is minor chipping on the top surface. Usually not enough to make a difference. Because it will be covered by the base trim. I would say it paid for itself on the first job.
If you slide the blade out and initiate the cut on the edge and not on the flat laminate your blade life will triple. Making the blade dig ruins it faster.
Was looking for this comment. Like, why not go get a cutter ? I guess they're kinda pricey if you're only doing one job , but then you can cut all kinds of other stuff with it
@@TeoPriceputul I don't think he realizes it's the blade causing the problems. But it's a great saw, I currently got the craftsman version of it after always renting a the dewalt to do wood work.
Lol. Found that out the expensive way. Always assume vinyl will trash any blade or tool you use. I don’t even bother with an expensive or even stock blade to cut vinyl. It won’t splinter like wood do just use the cheapest framing blade you can find.
For day to day, use the Freud 100. For fine work, but not laminate flooring, use the Forest woodworker ll. Designate an older Freud as your laminate blade!
This happens to any saw mitre saw jig saw circular saw. What happens is the lamination on the wood has glue and other substances on them these gunk up your carbide tips. If you put your blade in some soapy water let it soak a few minutes then take a wool scourer and gently rub the blade going with the blade cutting carbide you will remove the greases and gunk gathered up on the blades. Dont rub to hard else you could take the carbide tips off. This is how these companies make money. They sell the machine for a fraction of what it should cost because they know the blades will gunk up eventually then you spend a small fortune replacing the blades which they make for barely anything. Just a quick clean and degrease saves you a fortune
I’ve sharpened mine after doing laminate. Pain in the ass. Did it by hand. It worked but I spent 3 hours. Just buy the new one for 48$ or whatever. Don’t run it dull. Almost lost a finger before doing that.
Laminate does not ruin the blades , clean blades after cutting laminate with degreaser & a brass wire brush 🤦🏽♂️ , it’s just glue build up on the blade carbide teeth , clean then and it’ll work like new SMH , but yea what the guy who said use a cutter instead of saws works best for laminate / LVP / LVT . Laminate cutter and a jig saw with a laminate blade will work best 👍🏽
@@colin8477 no, you have pressure on the board while cutting on a chopsaw so it wouldn't hurt it. Also , you're not cutting into the aluminum nitrate wear layer without first coating the teeth with the mdf core.
lol there is a reason why laminate blades exist Freud make a nice one. you can just take that blade to woodcraft and for $15-20 they will sharpen it like new.
Cutting through any surface on the long side is harder on the blade. Using a circular saw cutting from the edge will go a lot better. Yes, the blade will still be destroyed but you’ll get through the job no problem and not ruin an expensive 12” blade. Never use a chop saw for laminate. A slide saw will work a lot better except the blade is expensive compared to a circ saw blade.
You get more out of the blade when u cross cut 2x4 like you did on the 2nd cut. Less surface area to cut than if your were to lay it flat. I apply the same principle when using my metal band saw. 🍲 for 💭
Haha Nope, it was in correct. I think the adhesive in laminate just killed the blade. My other video after blade swap confirmed that was the problem. Surprised a small laminate job my buddy used it for did that much damage.
I read an article or watched a video on how laminate flooring is made the west resistant coating on the flooring is aluminum oxide basically a grindstone on the floorings surface thus the long wearing floor and a dull blade
In fairness the blades provided with the new dewalt tools are horrendous. They bend on a mitre cut and clog up way too quickly. In Europe anyway. Provided with a really thin blade. Marketing manouevre so we have to buy new blades ???? Dewalt have a great set of blades fine, medium and rough for about 120euro. 🤔🤔🤔
@@danfoster4871 simple green works best imo. Use a brush to scrub the teeth clean. you could probably get away with dish soap and the scrubby side of a sponge
@@danfoster4871 look closely at your blade and scrape it with your knife. You will see all the glue from the flooring that melted and stuck to the blade.
Did you see the smoke? Maybe that is an indication that the blade is heating up. My advice is to buy some safety glasses and take up knitting. Just sayin’
You're using the saw wrong, you just slammed it in, when you need to pull it through. You just proved yourself wrong. You do get dull blades after laminate tho
You know they make other blades right? It's ok to get a new one. Oh, almost forgot. The same thing will happen if you try to cut bricks, steel, wood, tile, plexiglass etc. No blade stays sharp forever. Surprise!
Maybe use a proper blade for the job then? Those blades are terrible anyway. It is a worthwhile investment to get a higher end blade and pay for a sharpening service every once in a while.
Imagine having to use a power tool for Laminate floor.. shitt is easier to cut then Mdf flooring. Maybe your just showing a demonstrate of what not to do??
Laminate will ruin just about any carbide blade which is why they make a PCD blade for that. Well worth it if your installing a bunch of it, for small job cheap blade and toss it or plan on sharpening.
Aluminum oxide is in laminate flooring. Instead of using miter saw you should invest in a cheap laminate cutter. Been doing it since high school and it has saved alooot of money not having to buy a $50 blade for every job. Pro tip 👌
You talking about that big metal break/shear? I used one once during a job and made a world of difference and alot cleaner
It seems like most of the cheap ones don’t cut very clean at all and can’t cut small pieces. I decided to buy a $60 blade for my 500 sq ft laminate job rather than spending the same amount in the Roberts cutter that has as many bad reviews as good ones. Hopefully I didn’t screw up for this one time job. Seems like some of the more expensive laminate/tile cutter work really well but didn’t want to invest $200-400 as a diy-er.
Had to dislike this because it just shows a dull blade with no proof of context. Laminate definitely does dull a blade although, the first thing it does is gum it up.
I bought a blade just for the lam floor. My original dewalt blade is still good
I install laminate every day it does make blades dull..... But i use a blade sharpener and safe a ton of money instead of buying a new
100$+ blades
Fun fact: Aluminum oxide is abrasive
That why most sandpaper is made with it
Also used to grind carbide🤔
@@supercleanone8038 No, it is slightly softer than carbide. If will grind it slowly, but will be difficult to produce a clean cutting edge. Usually diamond abrasives are used.
Yep, that's why there's a special blade for that
I switched to cordless jigsaw long ago. No dust, cut in the same room, blades don’t last but cheap and quick to replace
get a carbide tooth jigsaw blade. works great with hardie siding also
I 100% agree its the flooring. I have done a ton of pergo floors and it never gums saw blade, it dulls it fast, even the best blades have short life with laminate floors. Get cheap blades and change often.
I am 36 year in the floor business, so believe me when I tell you, this is easily avoidable. When cutting laminate flooring, you have to chop through the material vary quickly. A single slow cut can ruin a blade, so start with a freshly sharpened blade. It should feel strang at first to chop through the piece. If it doesn't, the you are probably going to slow. You really want to slam it down. Do this, and your blades will go through thousands of cuts before needing to be sharpened.
Idk of this works but, 99% sure this is a joke, I mean if you go fast no matter how fast ur blade is spinning your just gonna splinter through the wood and potentially even snap the blade which is fun of course
@@peter2213 It's not a joke, and I believe the reason it works is that laminate, unlike wood, has carbon in the melamine surface that causes lots of heat at the rim of the blade, on the teeth. By chopping you are not rubbing the teeth on the carbonized melamine surface. But that is just an educated guess. But honestly, I have used the same blade on thousands of feet only to have a helper ruin a blade after just a couple of cuts by not following my instructions. Fortunately, I have a guy that sharpens them.
This is the same way I cut Hardie board. The only way, without destroying a blade for every 2 cuts 👍
@@patrickg5286 I usually use snips/cutters for Hardy, but I am usually cutting sheets and not boards. But I will definitely try that if I ever find myself cutting boards.
@@josephdestaubin7426 my last job, we used a lot of Hardie 1X4 (¾ thick) for exterior door casing. Only way to cut it with a chop saw is to turn it on the side and slam the blade through it. Otherwise the blade will be smoking by the 2nd cut.
Breaking news.... when you blink your eyes close very fast.
I don't understand. Please elaborate.
🤯
Has this been proven or is it simply here say?
LoL
Fuck off
The top finish on some laminate flooring is made from aluminum oxide. Same stuff grinding wheels are made from. I bought a shear for doing laminate. Best thing going. No getting up and down. And most of all. Don't loan tools.
Does the shear work well?
@@danfoster4871 It is a huge timesaver. No more up and down, or sawdust. Depending on the flooring there is minor chipping on the top surface. Usually not enough to make a difference. Because it will be covered by the base trim. I would say it paid for itself on the first job.
YES, well worth the $350 if you do it for a living
@@hugavet3049 If I remember it was less than $200
Best tool for the job. And then you can cut siding and soffits with it too
Yeah. I had the same thing happen and I was only doing a small room of laminate. Definitely worth getting a PCD blade.
I just use a jig saw to cut laminate. I can do a whole house with one blade and still cuts good.
Pro tip, buy a laminate cutter for $300.
DIY tip, use a jig saw. Blades are cheap, less dust
But 15 times longer to do the job if your lucky.
I don’t get it. How does laminate ruins it? Also isn’t that a 4x2?
Fun fact: your child won't chew it's cutlery.
lol well yea. We keep an old shitty blade in the trailers just for laminate flooring.
Never use a new blade for laminate
If you slide the blade out and initiate the cut on the edge and not on the flat laminate your blade life will triple. Making the blade dig ruins it faster.
That’s why I don’t cross cut with chop saw but a laminate cutter- much faster and no dust.
Was looking for this comment.
Like, why not go get a cutter ? I guess they're kinda pricey if you're only doing one job , but then you can cut all kinds of other stuff with it
@@Nick-be5hh laminate cutters crush the laminate more than cut it, for the most part they leave a pretty untidy edge too
So the sparks you get when cutting laminate is bad for the blade? 🤔
Nice workshop. Nice tool. What model is it from Dewalt? Are yoh happy with it?
The tool its the problem dummy
Brian Greenfield why?
@@TeoPriceputul I don't think he realizes it's the blade causing the problems. But it's a great saw, I currently got the craftsman version of it after always renting a the dewalt to do wood work.
Tom Bogle for lamine you need proper blade. Dewalt is a great tool.
How does he still have all his fingers?
Lol. Found that out the expensive way. Always assume vinyl will trash any blade or tool you use. I don’t even bother with an expensive or even stock blade to cut vinyl. It won’t splinter like wood do just use the cheapest framing blade you can find.
I spent the $ on a LamiBlade...after Trashing 2-3 Finish Blades...and with a 12" saw, that was $!!
😂😂funny story! Thanks for sharing.
how about sharpening it?
Couldn't focus on your video because I was so focused on the fact that you were not wearing safety glasses. Please use them. Thank you.
What kind of shopvac you have cause mine isn’t sucking everything I cut with mdf?
Use a drywall dust bag for mdf dust. I usually cut the bag to empty it and tape it back up to use 2-3 times. Keeps the filter clean for good suction.
Dude is brand loyal
I was gonna say it doesn’t do it for me when I do flooring but I don’t have carbide I think
For day to day, use the Freud 100. For fine work, but not laminate flooring, use the Forest woodworker ll.
Designate an older Freud as your laminate blade!
It might've just gummed up the carbide tips; try using household cleaner and scrubbing the tips
Oven cleaner
This happens to any saw mitre saw jig saw circular saw. What happens is the lamination on the wood has glue and other substances on them these gunk up your carbide tips. If you put your blade in some soapy water let it soak a few minutes then take a wool scourer and gently rub the blade going with the blade cutting carbide you will remove the greases and gunk gathered up on the blades. Dont rub to hard else you could take the carbide tips off. This is how these companies make money. They sell the machine for a fraction of what it should cost because they know the blades will gunk up eventually then you spend a small fortune replacing the blades which they make for barely anything. Just a quick clean and degrease saves you a fortune
No PPEs?
I’ve sharpened mine after doing laminate. Pain in the ass. Did it by hand. It worked but I spent 3 hours. Just buy the new one for 48$ or whatever. Don’t run it dull. Almost lost a finger before doing that.
It’s the rake of the teeth. That is more than likely a fine finish or combination blade with an alternating tooth grind. You need a TCG grind
Also, metric sockets will eventually strip your standard nuts and bolts. You’re welcome.
Laminate flooring is really hard on blades. It's no big surprise the blade is dull.
I learned this the hard way
Laminate does not ruin the blades , clean blades after cutting laminate with degreaser & a brass wire brush 🤦🏽♂️ , it’s just glue build up on the blade carbide teeth , clean then and it’ll work like new SMH , but yea what the guy who said use a cutter instead of saws works best for laminate / LVP / LVT . Laminate cutter and a jig saw with a laminate blade will work best 👍🏽
Buy a Bullet Tools laminate/vinyl and Hardi shear. It’s really works well and uses no electricity.
You can see tiny sparks when you cut laminate, it must have a very tough coating!!!!
Are you cutting it underside up?
Wouldn’t that make the topside look bad/chipped?
@@colin8477 no, you have pressure on the board while cutting on a chopsaw so it wouldn't hurt it. Also , you're not cutting into the aluminum nitrate wear layer without first coating the teeth with the mdf core.
Seriously that’s why dewalt makes a poly crystalline diamond blade just for laminate. Look it up.
On laminate use a negative rake quad tooth blade they last so much longer ✌️✌️✌️
Ohh trying to use it after cutting laminate i get it now
lol there is a reason why laminate blades exist Freud make a nice one. you can just take that blade to woodcraft and for $15-20 they will sharpen it like new.
Cutting through any surface on the long side is harder on the blade. Using a circular saw cutting from the edge will go a lot better. Yes, the blade will still be destroyed but you’ll get through the job no problem and not ruin an expensive 12” blade. Never use a chop saw for laminate. A slide saw will work a lot better except the blade is expensive compared to a circ saw blade.
Nice plunge cut
Diablo 44t and clean it every so often.
Tip: don't ever try to cut anything that'll melt when hot with a tablesaw or alike. It'll get stuck and can hurt you. Don't try it
You get more out of the blade when u cross cut 2x4 like you did on the 2nd cut. Less surface area to cut than if your were to lay it flat. I apply the same principle when using my metal band saw. 🍲 for 💭
Very nice. I always use a horizontal band saw like you said but, never considered it for the miter saw. I'll have to try it.
If your carbide tips are still good then Soak it in oil over night the laminate will come off.
Safety glasses?
Is it in backwards? Iv done it myself 180°mistake
Gzjhzheh🐪
Haha Nope, it was in correct. I think the adhesive in laminate just killed the blade. My other video after blade swap confirmed that was the problem. Surprised a small laminate job my buddy used it for did that much damage.
I read an article or watched a video on how laminate flooring is made the west resistant coating on the flooring is aluminum oxide basically a grindstone on the floorings surface thus the long wearing floor and a dull blade
Mitre saw ruins Mans hearing part 1
Noticed how it actually cut the 2'X when he turns it on its side. Always easier to cut on the thin side than flat. But yes laminate does ruin blades.
Yeah, throw that 2x6 or 2x8 up there vertically for easy cutting too, pro tip, genius
Which country are you?
PPE??
Should know better to use gilotine type cutter for laminate floor.
In fairness the blades provided with the new dewalt tools are horrendous. They bend on a mitre cut and clog up way too quickly.
In Europe anyway. Provided with a really thin blade. Marketing manouevre so we have to buy new blades ???? Dewalt have a great set of blades fine, medium and rough for about 120euro. 🤔🤔🤔
Another case of owner/operator error & not the tool. He should have found out that laminate flooring shouldn’t be cut with wood blade.
Do a video cleaning it
me mandas dos?
I just found this out the hard way. Wasted a new makita blade
Duh. Get the flooring blade. Just clean this one off and it should work fine
With what?
@@danfoster4871 simple green works best imo. Use a brush to scrub the teeth clean. you could probably get away with dish soap and the scrubby side of a sponge
@@danfoster4871 look closely at your blade and scrape it with your knife. You will see all the glue from the flooring that melted and stuck to the blade.
I learnt that years ago never use your choppy on laminate use a jigsaw
No clue....🤔
Score and snap 🤷🏻♂️ all end cuts I make are done with a razor blade and a square. Notched cuts get a circular saw with a shitty old blade
Did you see the smoke? Maybe that is an indication that the blade is heating up. My advice is to buy some safety glasses and take up knitting. Just sayin’
Ohhh you’re soooo smart. Enlighten us more please.
I already buy a cheap blade when I cut a laminate flooring.
You're using the saw wrong, you just slammed it in, when you need to pull it through. You just proved yourself wrong. You do get dull blades after laminate tho
Laminate destroys blades in minutes. Hate it
You don't plunge cut a 2x4 like that
Very insightful... wait no, the opposite
Come on act like you've got a pair and push down on it like a man! 🤣
Turn the blade backwards to cut the floor. It will still be like new when you switch it back
I have that is very good for pargola
Precio sierra
You know they make other blades right?
It's ok to get a new one.
Oh, almost forgot. The same thing will happen if you try to cut bricks, steel, wood, tile, plexiglass etc. No blade stays sharp forever. Surprise!
Maybe use a proper blade for the job then? Those blades are terrible anyway. It is a worthwhile investment to get a higher end blade and pay for a sharpening service every once in a while.
Well shit push it through faster you're barely moving it ofcourse it's gonna smoke 🤣🤣🤣 was this a joke cause I love it
Как говорил, один мой товарищ.Мэртвы бчёлы,не жундят
????? Am I stupid or wut, i mean to me that looks like.. wood lol
(Laminate flooring is literally multiple layers off wood and some resin?)
Nice 👍
Dewalt has excellent tools but all their saw blades are horrible.
Just needs cleaned.
โตะนีลาคาเฟ่?
Imagine having to use a power tool for Laminate floor.. shitt is easier to cut then Mdf flooring.
Maybe your just showing a demonstrate of what not to do??
Try cleaning your saw blade at the very least. But yeah, that crap is very abrasive on saw blades.
Nice ppe
That also happens when you have the blade on backwards🙄
I put the blade on backwards when I cut vinyl siding so it doesn’t chip...but that isn’t backwards it’s just smoked
Every time...
Use a laminate break and you’ll save yourself 60$
I have made this mistake myself with a table saw
That’s because dewalt is just expensive black and decker. It’s garbage.
I don't see the point of this video what so ever.
Buy laminate shear
Le falta filo al disco
Blade is still good just needs the glue from the fooling cleaned of it.
That's why you buy Milwaukee.
Oh really? Milwaukee blades never go dull?
🙄
Yah get a laminate blade, you wouldn't cut metal with a wood blade, if you do you must love wasting money