So what have we learned today? That there have been some very odd tube line proposals and that a VPN probably won’t stop you from being attacked by zeppelin pirates. Valuable lessons indeed.
I often wile away an idle hour joining up bits of London's railways to plug seeming holes or introduce new connections, but then my carer comes for me and I go back to my padded cell.
Hi Jago. I like this video, as with the others, really good stuff. I learnt things and everything. It raises a controversial opinion of mine: I like a map! The proposal was described really well by you (thanks!) but I find it a lot easier to understand that sort of thing when drawn. I guess not everyone like that, but if you do...well you have at least one supporter :)
I can hear it now on the 1973 tube stock announcements with Julie Berry’s voice “This is Waterloo. Change here for the Bakerloo and Northern Lines and National Rail services. This is a Piccadilly Line service to Elephant and Castle.”
Hi Joe, what about the following: "This is Waterloo. Change here for the Northern and Piccadilly lines and National Rail services. This is a Bakerloo line service to Liverpool Street." With Liverpool Street being the "end" of the line and Fenchurch Street being the "start" of said line.
Have they got rid of those now? I remember them when visiting London in 2001-2005 ish and maybe even in 2009&10? But I moved too far away to casually to go London on a whim like I used to so I don’t know what they are now.
Good points about the practicalities of these proposed schemes. The Waterloo and City is very close to the surface when it reaches Bank (even though it's platforms are way down Queen Victoria Street, hundreds of yeards from 'Bank' junction) and so extending it would mean chopping through lots of existing tube lines, sewers and bank vaults
Ootacamund (now known as Udagamandalam) was a wonderful old colonial hill town when I visited it in 1985. Went up by the old narrow gauge rack railway (now there's a video to be done Jago!) but had spent too much time in the hot sun and so spent two days in the very nice hospital up there. Lovely race course and, at the time, one of the best Chinese restaurants I'd ever been in. Brought back many memories but don't remember seeing and Zeppelin Pirates there...
I can't remember the last time I saw an eight-masted Tube Frigate under full sail breezing into Elephant & Castle and can only assume it is all thanks to Jago's VPN and animal magnetism!
Lubbock seems like a decent bloke. To quote his Wiki: 'In 1987, as a jocular protest against the cost of cremation, he offered to leave his body to Battersea dogs home "to vary the inmates' diet." Bill Wadman-Taylor, manager of the home, said: "I am sure there is a lot of nutritional value in the noble Lord and the dogs are not fussy, but we just couldn't do it."'
I used to do some work for Lord Avebury (Eric Lubbock), supporting one of his parliamentary committee roles - he was a lovely, lovely man. A real humanitarian. RIP.
Jago, your advert for Surfshark was absolutely priceless (although not literally). I think you may have missed your calling of becoming a writer for television.
Lubbock is an interesting character, he was a friend of Kim Philby and, according to John LeCarre, was suspected of being the 'fourth man' not least due to his habit of tying up parliamentary time with proposals for large scale schemes, although most of these made sense.
Mr H, I shall declare an interest here: I enjoy your videos without fail, and this was, in that respect, no exception. But I don't usually enjoy the adverts quite as much as I did this one. I was almost disappointed when it ended and you started babbling about London's tube lines. All in all, a hugely enjoyable experience and one I expect to repeat several times. Pip pip. Simon T
I think it would get there eventually. Because otherwise Bromley would rip apart general council of London... They already bitching and whining in their news posts, so I think they gonna lose it at some point 🤣
The 3 scariest words in transportation planning: “Why don’t they…” (Or worse: “Why don’t we…” Recent example: “Why don’t we build a bridge to Northern Ireland…”) 😜☘️
Zeppelin pirates? Sounds like a lot of hot air to me; or was that hydrogen I was thinking of? One 'spark' of imagination, and those pirates might all go up in flames. Oh, the humanity!!!
That would have been a bit of a steep gradient too from the Bakerloo up to the W&C. Excellent video as ever sir. Although my game of guess the time when you mention Charles Yerkes failed this time!
I would extend the W&C line to Wimbledon along the railroad (admittedly tbere are some difficulties, might be able to just convert some of the tracks to tube standard). These stops could be made: Lambeth (new) at Lambeth road, Vauxhall, Nine Elms (new) connecting to the Battersea extension, Battersea Park (current Queenstown road station with current Battersea Park moved to the bridges for better connectivity), Battersea Fields (new), Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Common (new), Earlsfield, Duensford Road (new) and Wimbledon. This line could take some passenvers from the railroad (some of which already change to the W&C at Waterloo), create better connectivity in the area and maybe shut some of the regional train stations, creating a faster commute for them. To ease the strain on the current W&C line, it could branch off to Aldwych (renamed to and connected with Temple) and end at Holborn. Maybe some extra track could be built to King's Cross, but it shouldn't take away capacity from the Picadilly line.
Never a truer word from the ever insightful Hazzard of this parish. The Aldwych branch was incredibly unpopular with the train crews who had to shuttle forth and back 19 times if they were on the early turn or 18 times if they were on the late. On the early turn the said shuttling was preceded by working the train empty from Northfields to Holborn and shunting onto the branch. At the end of the shuttling the train was screwed down in Holborn platform and the crew rode on the cushions to Wood Green for their meal relief and their next train. On the late turn the crew had the pleasure of riding on the cushions to Holborn and preparing the train prior to shuttling. After shuttling they awaited the signalman's pleasure to set the road and clear the signal so they could drive to Wood Green where they were relieved for their meal break and next train. The shuttle train was returned to Northfields depot by the relieving crew.
19 times? Is that all? I invite LUL crews to explore the delights of the Stourbridge Town Car. When I worked it back in the 1990s the job cards generally filled two sheets of A4. To make the shifts "more productive"(!) someone in power decided that instead of travelling pass from Birmingham New Street to Stourbridge and back, we should walk over to Birmingham Snow Hill and work a Snow Hill - Stourbridge - Dorridge - Stourbridge first and *then* go onto the Town Car. Those diagrams only need one sheet of A4 so were clearly better...
@@atraindriver 19 trips was only half the turn for a minute and a half each way along a dark tunnel. After grub we picked up another train and carried on to fill out the eight hour turn. The Town Car is out in the country, a positive delight by comparison. Agreed that those who work out the turns/diagrams should spend some time working on the trains.
@@RogersRamblings Town Car out in the country? It's in daylight, but I wouldn't exactly call Stourbridge 'country'. Unless they've knocked a lot of stuff down in the past 20 years (or the trees have really grown) it was basically industrial one side and houses on the other. 2.5 minute each way, used to be four round trips an hour when it was proper bubblecars, went up to six round trips when the PTE decided to throw their weight around, although I think it's settled down to something more sensible now it's a toy train. We used to run on request in the evenings, though, which made the late shifts pleasant. Bet they can't get away with that any more! Oh for 8 hour shifts. If you've still got them on LUL don't let them go! We ended up with 5 11 hour shifts, and 11 hours with up to 5h15 in the seat and a bare minimum break is not exactly enjoyable - which is why, like a lot of my colleagues I moved elsewhere at the first opportunity...
@@atraindriver It was eight hour shifts when I was on the job in the late 70s/early 80s when it was still LT. LU has now gone over to some form of flexible rostering. The view on the Town Car might be urban rather than rural but it's still in the open unlike the Aldwych Branch. ruclips.net/video/lkSN1lqXU6I/видео.html
Aldwych apparently is on the same alignment as Charring Cross (old Jubilee spur). I thought there had been some thought given to bringing Charring Cross back in to use and extending the Jubilee to Holborn
Bad luck chums of the Waterloo and City line commuter now crammed in with commuters from Kings Cross and Finsbury Park. Squeeze in chums, its gonna be a bumpy ride!
The MP just strikes me as the kind of person who just sits there with a map and a marker and just starts drawing ideas, infrastructure be damned. I’ve seen people like that make suggestions that include connections so steep, the trains would need to to work on a Cog rail system...
@@highpath4776 Both Down Street and Brompton doesn't have the space access which you need to get down to the platforms, because large and heavy filming equipment will have to be taken used in the filming
There was certainly a case for extending the Piccadilly line to Waterloo because it would have given a faster connection for passengers between the mainline stations at Waterloo, King's Cross and St Pancras. You rightly dismiss the rest of the Lubbock proposals as the political baloney they undoubtedly were.
As a periodic user of Waterloo (along with 90 million others) I would have welcomed direct Piccadilly trains to Kings Cross via Aldwych and W&C to Liverpool Street via Bank and (much less often) Fenchurch Street. The other proposed changes don't make a lot of sense though. Plus how do you add the Waterloo trains into the already full Piccadilly north of Holborn. Echoes of Jago's previous video where the planners tried to see if the Jubilee line Charing Cross spur could be extended to Waterloo and ended up with an extremely wiggly snake. (Way-out off-the-wall idea; join the Piccadilly to the old Jubilee at Green Park, run some trains to Charing Cross then round a loop to Waterloo and back up to Aldwych and rejoin the Piccadilly. Probably reduces trains too much in the Piccadilly Circus/Leicester Square/ Covent Garden section where they are most needed.)
The natural way to extend this Piccadilly branch line would be eastwards to provide an interchange with City Thameslink and then terminate at Bank. That would be very useful and popular so it will never happen.
First of all I thought it was an interesting sounding idea and then i realised it was completely daft! Petition to have a video about zeppelin pirates!
Would like to hear more about the odd proposal for the W&C, especially as I've heard a few myself. The only one that made sense to me was a mid rout station at Blackfriars.
Considering just how the planning of the Tube developed, I am not in the least surprised to find out that one of the people planning it wanted his bones gnawed on by stray dogs.
Very interesting. Thanks. We need dreamers and doers as well as those who always say no due to the 💰. But a map would have been useful of all the proposed changes and connections. It got very confusing!
Jago, ol' bit, old fruit-cake, I have now read comments from my fellow viewers, and it is exquisitely clear that your loyal fans all enjoyed the advert. Well done. Simon T
Apparently the dogs probably would have accepted the donation, but management wouldn’t (seriously). There was a newspaper comment to the effect that south (of the river) London wasn’t as well served by the Underground because, being a less genteel area, its residents were mainly shift workers who relied on night buses, as opposed to white collar workers living on the opposite side.
Must remember not to eat food or drink hot beverages when watching a Jago Hazzard video "Eric Lubbock would make a later equally unsuccessful bid to have his body fed to the dogs in Battersea" cue choking as my baked potato with hummus and chilis went down the wrong hole LOL
@@mickho7910 According to that font of knowledge wikipedia The dogs home turned him down because the human staff felt squeamish so it offered it to the cats home instead.
Imagine if the Bakerloo Line went all the way to Folkestone and Dover. And the Victoria Line went down to Gatwick Airport and Brighton. And the Waterloo & City Line could of been extended from Waterloo to Brentford, Twickenham, Wimbledon, Richmond, Hampton Court, Strawberry Hill, Weybridge and possibly to Woking and from Bank to Finsbury Park, Highbury and Islington and Enfield. Plus nice pun as well.
What your talking about is an RER style regional metro, ie Crossrail. Some of the places you talk about are already part of the Crossrail 2 proposals. I'm reasonably confident that they will look at proposals for Crossrail 3 when they finally commission Crossrail 2. All reasonable proposals to TfL.
@@stephenreardon2698 Crossrail 2 is on the agenda. But Crossrail 3 will not be happening until the next 30-40 years time. And Thameslink 2 will probably not happen until after 2050 lol. And CBA to re-edit because I already am sick of doing that.
It might have made a degree of sense if there was also an accopanying proposal to extend to the b̶a̶k̶e̶r̶l̶o̶o̶ picadilli down towards Orpington. But then if you're going to do that, why not just extend the Bakerloo? Fun fact - I once, many moons ago, had a dream that there was a Bakerloo line service from the high numbered platforms at Orpington. To the best of my knowledge there was no such plan at the time, but when the Lewisham extension was being thought about, Orpington was considered as a possible terminus. Was I seeing the future? or just a coincidence? Knowing what I know now - I don't think bringing the Bakerloo to Orpington is sensible. Disclaimer: I'm from Orpington, although I no longer live there.
Is the Battersea Dogs Home thing true? What would the donation be for? For the dogs to gnaw on him? 🤨 Anyway, all these crazy old plans are always interesting to wonder what it would be like had they happened. Although of course with route re-use nowadays the answer tends to be “like the Overground/DLR/particular Line if it had opened earlier”. Still. Even then, the things like different construction techniques and dogmas of their time would have probably changed the outcome in various ways, even if they’d likely just be small ones. Or maybe they’d be big diifferences if management was done poorly. Lastly; not complaining, but is this a different mic? Or perhaps, just a missing pop filter but same mic? Or maybe there’s post-processing you normally do which is missing here? Anyway, it was most noticeable in the beginning. It sounds like you moved a bit further away from the mic by the end of the VO. Although the qualitative difference remains, the quantitative one is lessened. Wasn’t too distracting after I got used to it, and I certainly don’t want to give a hard time or anything. Life happens and whatever the reason is isn’t really my business. Nevertheless I wanted to let you know it was present in case it was just a mistake or something.
Could you get a short film out of the links between underground lines that are otherwise unconnected? that allow stock movements and engineers trains to move between lines. Also the places where the underground is connected to the national network or was such as Ruislip Depot and near Kensington Olympia.
In my opinion, the Strand / Aldwych extension could be open as a separate line connecting the Picadilly Line and maybe replace Waterloo & City Line (that need some extra engineering and crowd control) similar to the City Line proposal.
The problem is the Aldwych branch is very badly connected to the main part of the Piccadilly which always made it impossible to run much more than a shuttle service (there was a through service in its first year but this constituted a single late night train for theatre goers). It is one of the great mysteries as to why it was constructed so badly.
A curve at Waterloo, while undesirable, could hardly be worse than the curve at Euston, where the city branch of the Northern line doubles back to head towards Kings Cross. A lot of viewers here are too young to remember Eric Lubbock, Orpington man or Lord Avebury?, As I think he became.
I think there are indeed two abandoned loops under the thames, one for the Piccadilly (though that might have been the proposed, but never built). And one from Charing Cross, before the northern got to Waterloo.
So the question is would it have still operated as a shuttle? As surely a direct service to [say] Cockfosters, likely would have caused scheduling issues on the eastern sections,
What would be useful is W&C from Bank to Aldgate East (or Whitechapel) With a Station at Houndsditch - this could have subway walking to Liverpool Street / Fenchurch Street and Aldgate - the distances are not much more than the corridors on the Northern at Kings Cross.
How about building a line between St. George's Circus and Borough Station that's worth closing the Waterloo and City Line? Note: Bakerloo Line passes St. George's Circus without having a stop.
So what have we learned today? That there have been some very odd tube line proposals and that a VPN probably won’t stop you from being attacked by zeppelin pirates. Valuable lessons indeed.
The return of the horse drawn zeppelin is here! (Piratical pursuits optional)
@@truckerallikatuk Please stop. I have a stitch. XD
I have this strange ancestral fear that if I go south of the river I might spontaneously combust Which is quite irrational since I am in Australia.
You are already south of the river, then?
@@SamuelFurse Imagine if they went even more south, they might end up Tasmanian!
@@LeafHuntress Truly a fate worse than death
I don't know anything about Tasmanians, I'm American.
@@wta1518 They're Devils
I often wile away an idle hour joining up bits of London's railways to plug seeming holes or introduce new connections, but then my carer comes for me and I go back to my padded cell.
If the next Surf Shark presentation is lacking Zeppelin Pirates I shall be awfully cross
In my mind with Captain Pugwash!
Arrrrrrr, Jim lad!
Captain pugwash has been given the short end of the stick
Always leave your public wanting more they say!
Hi Jago. I like this video, as with the others, really good stuff. I learnt things and everything. It raises a controversial opinion of mine: I like a map! The proposal was described really well by you (thanks!) but I find it a lot easier to understand that sort of thing when drawn. I guess not everyone like that, but if you do...well you have at least one supporter :)
Hi Samuel - I can produce you one if you would like?
A map of mine was featured in Jago's video on Angel a couple of weeks ago.
@@Volvoman90 Oooh that sounds good :)
@@SamuelFurse Here we go: imgur.com/a/dccibjr
@@Volvoman90 great map! Makes it a lot clearer - what software do you use to mess around with the tube like that?
@@Volvoman90 Very impressive - essential visualization aid. Mr Hazzard should engage you on a contract to illustrate his excellent videos.
I can hear it now on the 1973 tube stock announcements with Julie Berry’s voice “This is Waterloo. Change here for the Bakerloo and Northern Lines and National Rail services. This is a Piccadilly Line service to Elephant and Castle.”
Hi Joe, what about the following:
"This is Waterloo. Change here for the Northern and Piccadilly lines and National Rail services. This is a Bakerloo line service to Liverpool Street."
With Liverpool Street being the "end" of the line and Fenchurch Street being the "start" of said line.
@@aaronmread very heathrow terminal 4
@@aaronmread Yes I can hear that now as well.
Have they got rid of those now? I remember them when visiting London in 2001-2005 ish and maybe even in 2009&10? But I moved too far away to casually to go London on a whim like I used to so I don’t know what they are now.
Meanwhile on the Bakerloo: **initial D theme starts playing**
Who else wants to hear about the zeppelin pirates?
Me!
Could have been worse. Could have been the Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
Aaarrr!
Very much indeed
All of us…
Somewhere out there a guiltless, mild-mannered chap by the name of Lionel Forbes-McKenzie just felt an Underground train roll over his grave.
Your a proper gent guvnor an' no mistake..Lord luv ya squire...
First time in a couple of years I didn't skip past an ad. Well done. Your vids are the castle form bucket to my sandcastle days.
ROFL on the promotion🤣 that was an amazing plug.
You, Sir, have made me enjoy an ad!
The utter bounder!
I didnt realize but this is the channel I've needed my entire life
It looks like the Aldwych branch got Stranded, and it has stayed that way
Good points about the practicalities of these proposed schemes. The Waterloo and City is very close to the surface when it reaches Bank (even though it's platforms are way down Queen Victoria Street, hundreds of yeards from 'Bank' junction) and so extending it would mean chopping through lots of existing tube lines, sewers and bank vaults
There's nearly as much effort in the advertisement as the video😂😂. The sponsors must love you as much as your subscribers. Keep them coming please
What was the advertisment for ? Polo Mints and Visible Panty Lines ?
that's like sticking your fork into the spaghetti and twiddling it around a bit
Jago is our much-needed P.G. Wodehouse of the new millennium.
I want to hear about the zeppelin pirates!
I think I read somewhere they assassinated Kennedy & Elvis
Ootacamund (now known as Udagamandalam) was a wonderful old colonial hill town when I visited it in 1985. Went up by the old narrow gauge rack railway (now there's a video to be done Jago!) but had spent too much time in the hot sun and so spent two days in the very nice hospital up there. Lovely race course and, at the time, one of the best Chinese restaurants I'd ever been in. Brought back many memories but don't remember seeing and Zeppelin Pirates there...
I can't remember the last time I saw an eight-masted Tube Frigate under full sail breezing into Elephant & Castle and can only assume it is all thanks to Jago's VPN and animal magnetism!
Lubbock seems like a decent bloke. To quote his Wiki: 'In 1987, as a jocular protest against the cost of cremation, he offered to leave his body to Battersea dogs home "to vary the inmates' diet." Bill Wadman-Taylor, manager of the home, said: "I am sure there is a lot of nutritional value in the noble Lord and the dogs are not fussy, but we just couldn't do it."'
"On being advised that the dogs would probably accept but the home's management wouldn't, he made the same offer to the cats."
I used to do some work for Lord Avebury (Eric Lubbock), supporting one of his parliamentary committee roles - he was a lovely, lovely man. A real humanitarian. RIP.
That last bit before the outro was a real "Wait, what!?" moment.
Jago, your advert for Surfshark was absolutely priceless (although not literally). I think you may have missed your calling of becoming a writer for television.
Lubbock is an interesting character, he was a friend of Kim Philby and, according to John LeCarre, was suspected of being the 'fourth man' not least due to his habit of tying up parliamentary time with proposals for large scale schemes, although most of these made sense.
Mr H, I shall declare an interest here: I enjoy your videos without fail, and this was, in that respect, no exception. But I don't usually enjoy the adverts quite as much as I did this one. I was almost disappointed when it ended and you started babbling about London's tube lines. All in all, a hugely enjoyable experience and one I expect to repeat several times. Pip pip. Simon T
A Bakerloo line to Hayes would have been very useful for me....litterally 20 years ago, so under the Law of Sod it will probably be built now.
Yes, that fellow Sod has a lot to answer for.
I think it would get there eventually. Because otherwise Bromley would rip apart general council of London... They already bitching and whining in their news posts, so I think they gonna lose it at some point 🤣
The 3 scariest words in transportation planning: “Why don’t they…”
(Or worse: “Why don’t we…”
Recent example: “Why don’t we build a bridge to Northern Ireland…”) 😜☘️
Zeppelin pirates? Sounds like a lot of hot air to me; or was that hydrogen I was thinking of? One 'spark' of imagination, and those pirates might all go up in flames. Oh, the humanity!!!
Best VPN advert ever.
The map men might have something to say about that.
If ever there's a movie that just has to be made it surely must be 'Captain Hazzard And The Zeppelin Pirates'.
One of the few ads I haven't skipped through
Jago old pal you must tell us about that time you were attacked by zepplin pirates.
That would have been a bit of a steep gradient too from the Bakerloo up to the W&C. Excellent video as ever sir. Although my game of guess the time when you mention Charles Yerkes failed this time!
There where certainly some interesting proposals. I really enjoyed this video, thank you .
I would extend the W&C line to Wimbledon along the railroad (admittedly tbere are some difficulties, might be able to just convert some of the tracks to tube standard). These stops could be made: Lambeth (new) at Lambeth road, Vauxhall, Nine Elms (new) connecting to the Battersea extension, Battersea Park (current Queenstown road station with current Battersea Park moved to the bridges for better connectivity), Battersea Fields (new), Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Common (new), Earlsfield, Duensford Road (new) and Wimbledon.
This line could take some passenvers from the railroad (some of which already change to the W&C at Waterloo), create better connectivity in the area and maybe shut some of the regional train stations, creating a faster commute for them.
To ease the strain on the current W&C line, it could branch off to Aldwych (renamed to and connected with Temple) and end at Holborn.
Maybe some extra track could be built to King's Cross, but it shouldn't take away capacity from the Picadilly line.
that ingenious way to promote your sponsorships. good job!! 👍👍👍
That title is gloriously ridiculous, I'm in awe
Never a truer word from the ever insightful Hazzard of this parish. The Aldwych branch was incredibly unpopular with the train crews who had to shuttle forth and back 19 times if they were on the early turn or 18 times if they were on the late.
On the early turn the said shuttling was preceded by working the train empty from Northfields to Holborn and shunting onto the branch. At the end of the shuttling the train was screwed down in Holborn platform and the crew rode on the cushions to Wood Green for their meal relief and their next train. On the late turn the crew had the pleasure of riding on the cushions to Holborn and preparing the train prior to shuttling. After shuttling they awaited the signalman's pleasure to set the road and clear the signal so they could drive to Wood Green where they were relieved for their meal break and next train. The shuttle train was returned to Northfields depot by the relieving crew.
19 times? Is that all?
I invite LUL crews to explore the delights of the Stourbridge Town Car. When I worked it back in the 1990s the job cards generally filled two sheets of A4.
To make the shifts "more productive"(!) someone in power decided that instead of travelling pass from Birmingham New Street to Stourbridge and back, we should walk over to Birmingham Snow Hill and work a Snow Hill - Stourbridge - Dorridge - Stourbridge first and *then* go onto the Town Car. Those diagrams only need one sheet of A4 so were clearly better...
@@atraindriver 19 trips was only half the turn for a minute and a half each way along a dark tunnel. After grub we picked up another train and carried on to fill out the eight hour turn.
The Town Car is out in the country, a positive delight by comparison.
Agreed that those who work out the turns/diagrams should spend some time working on the trains.
@@RogersRamblings Town Car out in the country? It's in daylight, but I wouldn't exactly call Stourbridge 'country'. Unless they've knocked a lot of stuff down in the past 20 years (or the trees have really grown) it was basically industrial one side and houses on the other.
2.5 minute each way, used to be four round trips an hour when it was proper bubblecars, went up to six round trips when the PTE decided to throw their weight around, although I think it's settled down to something more sensible now it's a toy train.
We used to run on request in the evenings, though, which made the late shifts pleasant. Bet they can't get away with that any more!
Oh for 8 hour shifts. If you've still got them on LUL don't let them go! We ended up with 5 11 hour shifts, and 11 hours with up to 5h15 in the seat and a bare minimum break is not exactly enjoyable - which is why, like a lot of my colleagues I moved elsewhere at the first opportunity...
@@atraindriver It was eight hour shifts when I was on the job in the late 70s/early 80s when it was still LT. LU has now gone over to some form of flexible rostering.
The view on the Town Car might be urban rather than rural but it's still in the open unlike the Aldwych Branch.
ruclips.net/video/lkSN1lqXU6I/видео.html
Okay, that is one where a map would have been great. I went "from ... to... wait what" a bit too often this time. Anyhow, nice video!
One of the best shills I've heard on RUclips! There was quite a lot of audio clipping in that bit, though. Negligibly jarring.
Aldwych apparently is on the same alignment as Charring Cross (old Jubilee spur). I thought there had been some thought given to bringing Charring Cross back in to use and extending the Jubilee to Holborn
How would Henry's diagram have looked, if this proposal went ahead.
Henry?
@@ChrisBeard - Henry Charles Beck. The inventor of the railway line diagram found on station platforms. Jago's previous video was on that very topic.
;-) Bit formal. We call him Harry in these parts.
Bad luck chums of the Waterloo and City line commuter now crammed in with commuters from Kings Cross and Finsbury Park. Squeeze in chums, its gonna be a bumpy ride!
Liked the video and your Surfshark insert Jago.
Thank you for uploading these informative videos 👍🏻
This has to be the best ad read in history. 😂
6:02 "as we know, nothing came of any of this." PHEW!!!!
The MP just strikes me as the kind of person who just sits there with a map and a marker and just starts drawing ideas, infrastructure be damned.
I’ve seen people like that make suggestions that include connections so steep, the trains would need to to work on a Cog rail system...
Sharks that surf are scary. I would however like to avail myself of some merchandise from yourself
If they reopened The Strand the British film industry might take a dive
They've got Charing Cross if push comes to shove, it'll be fine
@@chrisoddy8744 Thats a more modern looking station where as The Strand is a more older looking station which filmmakers seem to prefer
@@davidsummer8631 Down Street, Brompton Road.
@@highpath4776 Both Down Street and Brompton doesn't have the space access which you need to get down to the platforms, because large and heavy filming equipment will have to be taken used in the filming
There was certainly a case for extending the Piccadilly line to Waterloo because it would have given a faster connection for passengers between the mainline stations at Waterloo, King's Cross and St Pancras. You rightly dismiss the rest of the Lubbock proposals as the political baloney they undoubtedly were.
Keep up the sterling work Jago. It's obvious you are a gentleman of distinction. I wonder if the Aldwich branch could make a good DLR extension?
As a periodic user of Waterloo (along with 90 million others) I would have welcomed direct Piccadilly trains to Kings Cross via Aldwych and W&C to Liverpool Street via Bank and (much less often) Fenchurch Street. The other proposed changes don't make a lot of sense though. Plus how do you add the Waterloo trains into the already full Piccadilly north of Holborn. Echoes of Jago's previous video where the planners tried to see if the Jubilee line Charing Cross spur could be extended to Waterloo and ended up with an extremely wiggly snake. (Way-out off-the-wall idea; join the Piccadilly to the old Jubilee at Green Park, run some trains to Charing Cross then round a loop to Waterloo and back up to Aldwych and rejoin the Piccadilly. Probably reduces trains too much in the Piccadilly Circus/Leicester Square/ Covent Garden section where they are most needed.)
The natural way to extend this Piccadilly branch line would be eastwards to provide an interchange with City Thameslink and then terminate at Bank. That would be very useful and popular so it will never happen.
First of all I thought it was an interesting sounding idea and then i realised it was completely daft!
Petition to have a video about zeppelin pirates!
Seconded!
Thirded !
Fourthed, fifthed and sixthed!
Now try saying that.
@@ianthomson9363 Return of the Sixthed
I'm sorry but at 2:19 the guy right of screen went for a kiss and got a hug instead. Brutal.
Friend zoned!
He had to make do with going home to a nice glass of water and a red pill instead, I guess ...
Would like to hear more about the odd proposal for the W&C, especially as I've heard a few myself. The only one that made sense to me was a mid rout station at Blackfriars.
Gravelly Soil = A Country and Western Trio that play weekly at the Dukes Head in Lewisham
I wonder if there is anywhere called Offing with a railway station… Thanks for the entertaining video.
Considering just how the planning of the Tube developed, I am not in the least surprised to find out that one of the people planning it wanted his bones gnawed on by stray dogs.
Very interesting. Thanks. We need dreamers and doers as well as those who always say no due to the 💰. But a map would have been useful of all the proposed changes and connections. It got very confusing!
There was the plan when building the highgate railway that the bakerloo would join it, so EandC to camden town direct was considered
Jago, ol' bit, old fruit-cake, I have now read comments from my fellow viewers, and it is exquisitely clear that your loyal fans all enjoyed the advert. Well done. Simon T
What a bonkers proposal, though it's reassuring that politicians can be crayonistas too!
Or perhaps the Underground was designed by taxi drivers, eh Gov? 🤔
They were like regular pirates, except for floating in the sky on their majestatic airships, in place of sailing over sees.
The Bakerloo Switcheroo! :-)
Isn't "Aldwych" used for TV and Movies sets?
Never mind about boring trams, railways and what not. What about those zeppelin pirates? I want to hear more about those!
Captain Swellingham🤣
I enjoyed it so much I clicked the like button multiple times and now I’ve forgotten if the like button is on or off. 😂😂😂
just because something is inane and impractical has,
to the best of my knowledge,
ever really been an impediment to its adoption
Apparently the dogs probably would have accepted the donation, but management wouldn’t (seriously).
There was a newspaper comment to the effect that south (of the river) London wasn’t as well served by the Underground because, being a less genteel area, its residents were mainly shift workers who relied on night buses, as opposed to white collar workers living on the opposite side.
Wonderful video, thanks.😆
Must remember not to
eat food or drink hot beverages
when watching a Jago Hazzard video
"Eric Lubbock would make a later equally unsuccessful
bid to have his body fed to the dogs in Battersea"
cue choking as my baked potato with hummus and chilis
went down the wrong hole LOL
Apparently that’s a true story.
@@mickho7910
According to that font of knowledge
wikipedia
The dogs home turned him down
because the human staff felt squeamish
so it offered it to the cats home instead.
@@johncrwarner Yes, dogs wouldn’t have cared.Cats apparently are more likely, than dogs, to eat owners who have died.
Imagine if the Bakerloo Line went all the way to Folkestone and Dover. And the Victoria Line went down to Gatwick Airport and Brighton. And the Waterloo & City Line could of been extended from Waterloo to Brentford, Twickenham, Wimbledon, Richmond, Hampton Court, Strawberry Hill, Weybridge and possibly to Woking and from Bank to Finsbury Park, Highbury and Islington and Enfield. Plus nice pun as well.
What your talking about is an RER style regional metro, ie Crossrail. Some of the places you talk about are already part of the Crossrail 2 proposals. I'm reasonably confident that they will look at proposals for Crossrail 3 when they finally commission Crossrail 2. All reasonable proposals to TfL.
@@stephenreardon2698 Crossrail 2 is on the agenda. But Crossrail 3 will not be happening until the next 30-40 years time. And Thameslink 2 will probably not happen until after 2050 lol. And CBA to re-edit because I already am sick of doing that.
Fantastic video sir.
Great video Jago
Love these videos!
I need a map for this.
Really enjoyed this 👍
I would have loved a line from Waterloo to Liverpool Street
Was the Aldwych spur built to provide access to theatres and the Royal Opera House?
I'm pretty sure Eric Lubbock also wanted to colonize the sun
Sounds like a good idea,but I doubt that Rupert Murdoch would've liked it
It might have made a degree of sense if there was also an accopanying proposal to extend to the b̶a̶k̶e̶r̶l̶o̶o̶ picadilli down towards Orpington. But then if you're going to do that, why not just extend the Bakerloo?
Fun fact - I once, many moons ago, had a dream that there was a Bakerloo line service from the high numbered platforms at Orpington. To the best of my knowledge there was no such plan at the time, but when the Lewisham extension was being thought about, Orpington was considered as a possible terminus. Was I seeing the future? or just a coincidence?
Knowing what I know now - I don't think bringing the Bakerloo to Orpington is sensible.
Disclaimer: I'm from Orpington, although I no longer live there.
Is the Battersea Dogs Home thing true? What would the donation be for? For the dogs to gnaw on him? 🤨
Anyway, all these crazy old plans are always interesting to wonder what it would be like had they happened. Although of course with route re-use nowadays the answer tends to be “like the Overground/DLR/particular Line if it had opened earlier”.
Still. Even then, the things like different construction techniques and dogmas of their time would have probably changed the outcome in various ways, even if they’d likely just be small ones. Or maybe they’d be big diifferences if management was done poorly.
Lastly; not complaining, but is this a different mic? Or perhaps, just a missing pop filter but same mic? Or maybe there’s post-processing you normally do which is missing here?
Anyway, it was most noticeable in the beginning. It sounds like you moved a bit further away from the mic by the end of the VO. Although the qualitative difference remains, the quantitative one is lessened.
Wasn’t too distracting after I got used to it, and I certainly don’t want to give a hard time or anything. Life happens and whatever the reason is isn’t really my business. Nevertheless I wanted to let you know it was present in case it was just a mistake or something.
So...who wants to hear more of those Zeppelin Pirats? o/
Ops he done it again - well done on the sponsorship
Could you get a short film out of the links between underground lines that are otherwise unconnected? that allow stock movements and engineers trains to move between lines. Also the places where the underground is connected to the national network or was such as Ruislip Depot and near Kensington Olympia.
Nature abhors an unused tube spur.
In my opinion, the Strand / Aldwych extension could be open as a separate line connecting the Picadilly Line and maybe replace Waterloo & City Line (that need some extra engineering and crowd control) similar to the City Line proposal.
The problem is the Aldwych branch is very badly connected to the main part of the Piccadilly which always made it impossible to run much more than a shuttle service (there was a through service in its first year but this constituted a single late night train for theatre goers). It is one of the great mysteries as to why it was constructed so badly.
@@timrollpickering From what I heard, it's been more useful as a movie set for horror fim producers than it ever was as a train line ...
A curve at Waterloo, while undesirable, could hardly be worse than the curve at Euston, where the city branch of the Northern line doubles back to head towards Kings Cross.
A lot of viewers here are too young to remember Eric Lubbock, Orpington man or Lord Avebury?, As I think he became.
I think there are indeed two abandoned loops under the thames, one for the Piccadilly (though that might have been the proposed, but never built). And one from Charing Cross, before the northern got to Waterloo.
So the question is would it have still operated as a shuttle? As surely a direct service to [say] Cockfosters, likely would have caused scheduling issues on the eastern sections,
What would be useful is W&C from Bank to Aldgate East (or Whitechapel) With a Station at Houndsditch - this could have subway walking to Liverpool Street / Fenchurch Street and Aldgate - the distances are not much more than the corridors on the Northern at Kings Cross.
The Bakerloo connected to the City Line connected to the Piccadilly Line connected to? Now here's the Word of The Lord 😆
How about building a line between St. George's Circus and Borough Station that's worth closing the Waterloo and City Line?
Note: Bakerloo Line passes St. George's Circus without having a stop.
That would not be likely as Bakerloo line trains are irregular and usuall running 5 mins late. they just couldnt cope with that extra stop
@@TheClockwise770 I haven't demanded a stop but a branch.
Starts at 1:44
Waterloo & City Line needs to connect up to the City & Northern Network Rail line up to Finsbury Park, to join the big-boy tube line
Giving the Waterloo and City line a way of accessing surface lines would be an advantage.
Today my part of the Fleet line was closed and I had to divert onto older lines of other colours.
I hope you managed to navigate through that Underground labyrinth so you could get home in time to view Mr Hazzard's latest offering