This reminds me of something that Dallas did a few years ago. Downtown and Uptown were divided by a massive 12-lane highway, but eventually they sank the highway down below grade and put it inside a tunnel, with a park built on top. Now they've got a great green space with food trucks and restaurants and lots of open area for activities. Completely changes the character of that part of the city without impacting traffic.
Even if something did impact cars (aka, the least efficient form of traffic), it can still be worth it. Many city centers in the Netherlands are completely car free. You'll have to work hard to find people that disagree with that over here. It's a paradigm shift, but it shows that you shouldn't always be worried about "impacting traffic". Traffic where it doesn't belong SHOULD be impacted. A neighborhood isn't a thoroughfare, and no place for a highway.
@@alex2143 It’s pretty shocking how long it’s taken to get cars banned from European city centres, it’s still not perfect but we’re finally making progress now. I’ve always felt allowing them in city centres was a stupid idea, even as a kid before I knew anything about urban planning or anything like it. I went to London and was just shocked by the constant back to back traffic all over the Victorian centre, I was walking around on foot faster than the cars, and whenever the cars were able to go faster and not jam up it just made walking worse because of the noise. It’s great to see that older European cities (which have even worse issues with cars just not fitting in the small streets) are finally banning them, and they should be banned in many other cities too for sure.
I didn’t know Minneapolis and St. Paul added this new public transport. It really improves walk ability and many other things. I enjoy your videos and subscribed.
I graduated from the U just last year, and getting around campus is great. With only busses and light rail traffic here, there is little chance of being struck by a car speeding down the street. There are even pedestrian bridges over this section near the student union/bus pickup and dropoff zone. Though this section only lasts a couple blocks, and it soon becomes a dangerous car filled road again. University Ave, as you continue east towards St Paul, is several lanes across and the light rail bisects the middle, making it feel like a small freeway.
Local Minnesota resident here! Thank you for mentioning noise pollution! Cities aren’t loud, cars and trucks are. I’m excited to see the expansion of the blue and green lines in the future as the blue line might make its way into northern Brooklyn Park.
It's funny how much you start to take things like this for granted when you live in the area. Thanks for reminding me to appreciate it! I just hope the street layout can expand out from the UofM campus someday.
@@HanginInSF They want disabled and old people to freeze waiting for a tram or bus that takes too long to get on and doesn't stop where they need it to.
@@news_internationale2035 in my city they will also probably get robbed, assaulted and/or pissed on while waiting for an unfirable, pensioned muni operator who is taking a "sick" day. NEVER leave yourself dependent on the government for any basic sevice if you can avoid it.
I remember when Washington Avenue was a a four lane death road cutting through the most walkable part of the city. This transformation was part of the reason I was drawn to the urban studies major when I later attended the University. So happy to see attention being brought to small, impactful quality of life improvements such as this!
I'm glad I stumbled across this channel; this is great work, and it's a perspective more people need to see. If I may offer a constructive critique: it helps to use consistent meanings of "street" and "road," where a "road" is a high-throughput simplified environment with minimal on/off connections and a "street" is a platform for city development and the places where we conduct our lives. (And then there's the "stroad" monstrosity; a thing that tries to be both street and road.) In this video we have an awesome example of a stroad being reclaimed into a street. Keep up the great work and good luck with your channel!
Fully agree to what you say! Greetings from Dresden in Germany, where I take the Bus and train and/or my bicycle in the train for my 12 miles commute to work every morning.
The issue with trams having to share space with cars and pedestrians is that the trams can't travel at full speed due to collision danger, and they tend to get stuck in traffic. This dramatically decreases their efficiency and viability, but they're still better than busses in terms of passenger capacity and ride quality.
What? How? Idk how else can it be but in my city 95% of tram tracks go on their own piece of land and are not a part of any street so they dont share the road with anyone and never sit in traffic. The draw to trams over busses or cars is that in rush hour i can get places literally faster by it than in a car stuck in trafic
@@firestarter1888 You're right, I accidentally said trains instead of trams. My point was that trams don't work well unless they are separated from other traffic, so we're on the same page.
Not really. Max speed is not that important for the tram average speed in the city centre where it stops every 500 metres at the stops anyway. What is important is that it does not have to stop anywhere else.
I went to the U in the 80 and crossed that road on foot many times a day... always crowded this is much better... although its sad to see all the small bars and shops that used to be there are gone
@@cmmartti It was just an old McD's that was an icon on that corner. But I agree, it barely qualifies as food....yet I find myself indulging from time to time. :)
They're free to drive on roads built by the government lol, "freedom on wheels" is a marketing scheme backed and lobbied by car industries and suburban developers
I love Washington Ave its one of the more pleasant places to walk around Campus. I just wish the University would consider removing most of their surface lots and replacing them with housing for students faculty and staff.
NJ Transit brought light rai lback to downtown Newark but hasn't resorted the old suburban streetcar lines into other areas of Essex County, NJ except for a route into neighboring Belleville.
in one of your videos u had citites in US that had 10 lane interstate roads through the central city. Thats just insane. Just build the damn road outside of city and just have exits for that city.
Noise suppression for the microphone will do miracles The viewer can hear your saliva in the mouth when you talk, not talking about ambient noise from the fridge or PC cooler or whatever is working in your room
It seems this should be the norm for such a neighborhood. What's amazing is cities that choose to allow the pollution, noise, and traffic violence caused by automobiles, in the middle of densely populated areas.
Nice video; it's encouraging to see such developments in the US. BTW, 1:50 It's the _effect_ of the light rail, not "impact" (I hope the light rail had no impact). I don't know where this nonsensical jargon seems to be coming from or why it's becoming popular. 3:57 _route_ is pronounced identically to "root" and like _routine,_ _poutine,_ etc. A "rout" means something entirely different. 4:22 It's not "America", but just the US. There are many countries in America that don't have this problem.
I think your concern with the pronunciation of “route” is misplaced. Lots of people speak english differently depending on their linguistic background. The meaning of the word is obvious from the context. For your other nitpicks, i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
this is misleading . the road section that was closed to traffic is about 7 blocks long and almost entirely in the U of M campus. the green line has plenty of crime which is why metro transit is looking at having more cops.
@@onesob13 in DDR you needed to send in a application to own a car and it did take years before you could own one so it was not just to go and buy one. It was the govement who controlled who could own a car.
@@Alphadec I won't argue there were huge supply-side issues. But it was a government policy and program of a fundamental right to car ownership (And there's a hell of a lot of paperwork to do to buy a car, even in capitalist nations)
Good thing long term. However, in my opinion, visually it looked better before. There was more greenery & mature trees. I wish cities & developers would also prioritize greenery! Those little saplings don't at all compare to full grown trees.
George from Thomas the Tank Engine, "Railways are no good! Turn them back to roads! Pull them up! Turn them back to roads!" Leave the people in Minnesota alone, you steam-troller
John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Banning cars is not the answer. It just shifts the pollution and congestion problem elsewhere. But wrong thinking anti car councils think "oh, if we ban them or take away their parking, they'll just give up". Errr, wrong. This was done in London, and although it's eased central congestion, the outer roads are now more congested than ever. Tick in a box for the politicians.
Except the congestion charge was hugely successful, motor vehicle traffic around the centre is down by 60% since 2008, public transit use is up, and cycling has gone from a miniscule 2% to a nearing 15% of the modal share
It is the answer, it just takes time, it's not an immediate solution but instead of having 15 individuals in their individual cars, now you have 15 individuals in a tram, already you're seeing a decrease of pollution, with raids being safer, people can take other options for transports, this includes cycling and another decrease in pollution
You done spouting bullshit? Cars are by far the least space efficient method of transport there is. Sure, banning cars shifts some of the congestion to other modes of transport. Guess what, each one of those modes of transport are far better at dealing with congestion than cars. Oh, and do you honestly believe for even a second that pollution is in the top 5 reasons to minimize car use? Because it isn't. Cars are space inefficient, loud, dangerous, require dedicated parking and require the construction of large expensive roads. All 5 of those reasons are far more important arguments for minimizing the use of cars. Also, seriously? London? One of the most car infested cities in the UK that put practically no effort into building a functional transport network? There are only 2 reasons I can think of for you using that as an example. Either that is the example that every dumbass you listened to gave you, or you're trying to gaslight us. So, which one is it? I'll be waiting for an answer.
@@Hhhh22222-w How safe is it to be in a tram with 14 other people I don't know? Moreover, the tram doesn't stop at my house and in front of my office but my car does. In my car I can blast my stereo and in a tram I cannot.
@@cmmartti I studied in Europe and I a familiar with public transportation. Buses didn't have AC. Many times I had to stand. I have had all the experiences with traveling in cities.
Let me see. My car is waiting for me right at my door. A train is not. I can park my car right in front of my office, a train cannot. And I can't afford to buy an entire tram anyway. In my car I don't have to share the cabin with anyone. In a tram you do. And some people can be very shady. In my car I can play loud music en enjoy. In a tram I can't. In my car I can't eat, in a tram typically you don't. While I can see advantages of the tube, generally I enjoy my car and all the privacy it entails. Now on a long distance journey, I wouldn't mind a high speed train. But for regular commuting, I prefer my nice car
I can’t condone this kind of policy. From what I see near my place (European village), there are bikeways everywhere in town and even villages, these bikeways are rarely used and take away a lot of room from the very active car traffic. Same thing for the sidewalk, at some places they are ridiculously large also to the detriment of cars. Tram traffic is not shared with car traffic. Parking previously free has become expensive. Personally I don’t go to town anymore; I buy all I need in the large malls outside the city. I have no functioning bike and plan to keep my two cars for convenience. This is not fighting climate change, it’s just pissing people off.
I live in a city of 1 million people with 24 tram lines. Not once have i been stuck in traffic using one, unless someone in a CAR decided to cut across the tram tracks causing an acsident.
This reminds me of something that Dallas did a few years ago. Downtown and Uptown were divided by a massive 12-lane highway, but eventually they sank the highway down below grade and put it inside a tunnel, with a park built on top. Now they've got a great green space with food trucks and restaurants and lots of open area for activities. Completely changes the character of that part of the city without impacting traffic.
Klyde Warren! Opened on my birthday
Even if something did impact cars (aka, the least efficient form of traffic), it can still be worth it.
Many city centers in the Netherlands are completely car free. You'll have to work hard to find people that disagree with that over here. It's a paradigm shift, but it shows that you shouldn't always be worried about "impacting traffic".
Traffic where it doesn't belong SHOULD be impacted. A neighborhood isn't a thoroughfare, and no place for a highway.
@@alex2143 It’s pretty shocking how long it’s taken to get cars banned from European city centres, it’s still not perfect but we’re finally making progress now. I’ve always felt allowing them in city centres was a stupid idea, even as a kid before I knew anything about urban planning or anything like it. I went to London and was just shocked by the constant back to back traffic all over the Victorian centre, I was walking around on foot faster than the cars, and whenever the cars were able to go faster and not jam up it just made walking worse because of the noise. It’s great to see that older European cities (which have even worse issues with cars just not fitting in the small streets) are finally banning them, and they should be banned in many other cities too for sure.
How do you get a park upon a tunnel? Sounds like horse shit.
I didn’t know Minneapolis and St. Paul added this new public transport. It really improves walk ability and many other things. I enjoy your videos and subscribed.
It’s not new it was running for years and it’s 24/7 too
@@qjtvaddict hasn't been 24/7 since 2020 sadly
I graduated from the U just last year, and getting around campus is great. With only busses and light rail traffic here, there is little chance of being struck by a car speeding down the street. There are even pedestrian bridges over this section near the student union/bus pickup and dropoff zone. Though this section only lasts a couple blocks, and it soon becomes a dangerous car filled road again. University Ave, as you continue east towards St Paul, is several lanes across and the light rail bisects the middle, making it feel like a small freeway.
Local Minnesota resident here! Thank you for mentioning noise pollution! Cities aren’t loud, cars and trucks are. I’m excited to see the expansion of the blue and green lines in the future as the blue line might make its way into northern Brooklyn Park.
It's funny how much you start to take things like this for granted when you live in the area. Thanks for reminding me to appreciate it! I just hope the street layout can expand out from the UofM campus someday.
Now if only more places in the US could do this in mass.
I’ve been in the twin cities for a month and I adore this cities system. I use their bikeways as much as I can
Recommendations for bike ride:
Lake Harriet/Bde Mka Ska trail
Minnehaha falls
Shepard Road in St Paul
Cedar Lake Trail
Lake Nokomis
Enjoy!
Cars are expensive for cities to serve. Good public transit + pedestrian / bike infrastructure is win.
No.
Cars cost the city nothing and are a source of revenue. The other things you list are endless money pits of public spending.
@@HanginInSF
They want disabled and old people to freeze waiting for a tram or bus that takes too long to get on and doesn't stop where they need it to.
@@news_internationale2035yeah, these guys have no sense.
@@news_internationale2035 in my city they will also probably get robbed, assaulted and/or pissed on while waiting for an unfirable, pensioned muni operator who is taking a "sick" day. NEVER leave yourself dependent on the government for any basic sevice if you can avoid it.
I remember when Washington Avenue was a a four lane death road cutting through the most walkable part of the city. This transformation was part of the reason I was drawn to the urban studies major when I later attended the University. So happy to see attention being brought to small, impactful quality of life improvements such as this!
Great video! A big win for public transport in the Twin Cities. Love more videos focusing on specific projects like these. Great content! Subscribed*
I'm glad I stumbled across this channel; this is great work, and it's a perspective more people need to see. If I may offer a constructive critique: it helps to use consistent meanings of "street" and "road," where a "road" is a high-throughput simplified environment with minimal on/off connections and a "street" is a platform for city development and the places where we conduct our lives. (And then there's the "stroad" monstrosity; a thing that tries to be both street and road.) In this video we have an awesome example of a stroad being reclaimed into a street. Keep up the great work and good luck with your channel!
Fully agree to what you say!
Greetings from Dresden in Germany, where I take the Bus and train and/or my bicycle in the train for my 12 miles commute to work every morning.
The issue with trams having to share space with cars and pedestrians is that the trams can't travel at full speed due to collision danger, and they tend to get stuck in traffic. This dramatically decreases their efficiency and viability, but they're still better than busses in terms of passenger capacity and ride quality.
They are called trams/streetcars not trains and with dedicated paths are extremely efficient.
What? How? Idk how else can it be but in my city 95% of tram tracks go on their own piece of land and are not a part of any street so they dont share the road with anyone and never sit in traffic. The draw to trams over busses or cars is that in rush hour i can get places literally faster by it than in a car stuck in trafic
@@firestarter1888 You're right, I accidentally said trains instead of trams. My point was that trams don't work well unless they are separated from other traffic, so we're on the same page.
Not really. Max speed is not that important for the tram average speed in the city centre where it stops every 500 metres at the stops anyway. What is important is that it does not have to stop anywhere else.
@@steinarjonsson_ Easy typo to make. Have a nice day
I went to the U in the 80 and crossed that road on foot many times a day... always crowded this is much better... although its sad to see all the small bars and shops that used to be there are gone
The classic McDonalds was torn down too....but you can still go to Bullwinkle's!
@@cmmartti It was just an old McD's that was an icon on that corner. But I agree, it barely qualifies as food....yet I find myself indulging from time to time. :)
@@bemhibbits4157 they're going to rebuild it in the new high-rise
@@onesob13 In n Out Burger would be better...
Underrated content
Please tell me how you Americans describe "freedom"
And how "freedom on wheels" became
Dependency on wheels
They're free to drive on roads built by the government lol, "freedom on wheels" is a marketing scheme backed and lobbied by car industries and suburban developers
Nice to see a good example of how it is possible to reduce car dependancy! 👍
God, i just love trains
I love Washington Ave its one of the more pleasant places to walk around Campus. I just wish the University would consider removing most of their surface lots and replacing them with housing for students faculty and staff.
I hope do this all around the US
No.
@@news_internationale2035 why tho
@@TatsukiHashida
It's very inconvenient.
Especially if you're disabled.
@@news_internationale2035 Canta cars from Netherlands are neat
@@news_internationale2035 how is it bad if you’re disabled? Can you not take public transit then?
NJ Transit brought light rai lback to downtown Newark but hasn't resorted the old suburban streetcar lines into other areas of Essex County, NJ except for a route into neighboring Belleville.
I live in mn and didn’t even know about this lol that’s cool. I don’t get to the cities often
Great video, great material, but that spit sound is driving me nuts.
damn wish they could do this for Washington ave in philly
in one of your videos u had citites in US that had 10 lane interstate roads through the central city. Thats just insane. Just build the damn road outside of city and just have exits for that city.
I heard the train at the beginning but had to bail as I can't hear the vocals at maximum volume.
Love living in the Twin Cities. :)
Private cars need to be banned alltogether inside cities
This is great thank you!
love your videos
The detour curve looks dangerously narrow.
Noise suppression for the microphone will do miracles
The viewer can hear your saliva in the mouth when you talk, not talking about ambient noise from the fridge or PC cooler or whatever is working in your room
Impressive, very based.
Audio advice: Turn down your mic gain and get a pop screen
I like how you blurred the faces of the people in the video. Not everybody does that.
5:07 without cars to chase, cop car can just hang out by the doughnut shop and look cool.
Very cood
This is why I want to go to U of M Minneapolis
People come in numbers of people, not "amounts of people."
It seems this should be the norm for such a neighborhood. What's amazing is cities that choose to allow the pollution, noise, and traffic violence caused by automobiles, in the middle of densely populated areas.
Take a look at the Not just bikes channel. It tells a similar story.
Nice video; it's encouraging to see such developments in the US. BTW,
1:50 It's the _effect_ of the light rail, not "impact" (I hope the light rail had no impact). I don't know where this nonsensical jargon seems to be coming from or why it's becoming popular.
3:57 _route_ is pronounced identically to "root" and like _routine,_ _poutine,_ etc. A "rout" means something entirely different.
4:22 It's not "America", but just the US. There are many countries in America that don't have this problem.
I think your concern with the pronunciation of “route” is misplaced. Lots of people speak english differently depending on their linguistic background. The meaning of the word is obvious from the context. For your other nitpicks, i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
@@Mdb8900 They might have different linguistic backgrounds, but that doesn't mean it's correct, so misplaced concern it is not.
this is misleading . the road section that was closed to traffic is about 7 blocks long and almost entirely in the U of M campus. the green line has plenty of crime which is why metro transit is looking at having more cops.
In my experience, the perception of crime on Metro trains is greater than the actual crime
this is what is happening all over the world Where they is building a DDR state where private owned cars is not allowed.
You're talking about the same DDR that wanted all its citizens who wanted one to be able to own a car?
@@onesob13 in DDR you needed to send in a application to own a car and it did take years before you could own one so it was not just to go and buy one. It was the govement who controlled who could own a car.
@@Alphadec I won't argue there were huge supply-side issues. But it was a government policy and program of a fundamental right to car ownership
(And there's a hell of a lot of paperwork to do to buy a car, even in capitalist nations)
"they is building a DDR state where private owned cars is not allowed"
Citation needed.
Good thing long term. However, in my opinion, visually it looked better before. There was more greenery & mature trees. I wish cities & developers would also prioritize greenery! Those little saplings don't at all compare to full grown trees.
What will the saplings grow to become?
Trams are very much messy look how dirty this looks and increased traffic due to cars that's horrible 😳 😬
George from Thomas the Tank Engine, "Railways are no good! Turn them back to roads! Pull them up! Turn them back to roads!"
Leave the people in Minnesota alone, you steam-troller
I'm a people in Minnesota, bring on the trains. The more the merrier
John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Banning cars is not the answer. It just shifts the pollution and congestion problem elsewhere. But wrong thinking anti car councils think "oh, if we ban them or take away their parking, they'll just give up". Errr, wrong. This was done in London, and although it's eased central congestion, the outer roads are now more congested than ever. Tick in a box for the politicians.
Except the congestion charge was hugely successful, motor vehicle traffic around the centre is down by 60% since 2008, public transit use is up, and cycling has gone from a miniscule 2% to a nearing 15% of the modal share
It is the answer, it just takes time, it's not an immediate solution but instead of having 15 individuals in their individual cars, now you have 15 individuals in a tram, already you're seeing a decrease of pollution, with raids being safer, people can take other options for transports, this includes cycling and another decrease in pollution
You done spouting bullshit? Cars are by far the least space efficient method of transport there is. Sure, banning cars shifts some of the congestion to other modes of transport. Guess what, each one of those modes of transport are far better at dealing with congestion than cars.
Oh, and do you honestly believe for even a second that pollution is in the top 5 reasons to minimize car use? Because it isn't. Cars are space inefficient, loud, dangerous, require dedicated parking and require the construction of large expensive roads. All 5 of those reasons are far more important arguments for minimizing the use of cars.
Also, seriously? London? One of the most car infested cities in the UK that put practically no effort into building a functional transport network? There are only 2 reasons I can think of for you using that as an example. Either that is the example that every dumbass you listened to gave you, or you're trying to gaslight us. So, which one is it? I'll be waiting for an answer.
@@Hhhh22222-w How safe is it to be in a tram with 14 other people I don't know? Moreover, the tram doesn't stop at my house and in front of my office but my car does. In my car I can blast my stereo and in a tram I cannot.
@@cmmartti I studied in Europe and I a familiar with public transportation. Buses didn't have AC. Many times I had to stand. I have had all the experiences with traveling in cities.
Let me see. My car is waiting for me right at my door. A train is not. I can park my car right in front of my office, a train cannot. And I can't afford to buy an entire tram anyway. In my car I don't have to share the cabin with anyone. In a tram you do. And some people can be very shady. In my car I can play loud music en enjoy. In a tram I can't. In my car I can't eat, in a tram typically you don't. While I can see advantages of the tube, generally I enjoy my car and all the privacy it entails. Now on a long distance journey, I wouldn't mind a high speed train. But for regular commuting, I prefer my nice car
Do your feet not work? That's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than anything involving driving/parking
@@onesob13 My right foot works, to push a pedal...would that suffice? I used to travel by stinkin bus when I was a student. Now I found success
no
But “Not everyone can walk and take transit. Stop the left’s war on cars.”
Also "But the USA is a big country!"
Vibrant, accessible neighborhood turned into a ghost town. Got it.
LOL this video was taken on campus. Semester is over. Summer break. Come back in September and it's completely different
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
- steps outside of private car
- disappears
Sounds lovely, unless you are unable to walk.
pedestrian centric design are friendlier to the dissabled than car centric design
@@rahmanesa7063 How so?
@@jmac3327 by making it easier to install accessibility infrastructure for the disabled in a pedestrian centric design compared to car centric design
@@rahmanesa7063 And how do we access the pedestrian walkways...on a stretcher?
@@jmac3327 Mobility scooter or wheel chair, more than likely.
I can’t condone this kind of policy. From what I see near my place (European village), there are bikeways everywhere in town and even villages, these bikeways are rarely used and take away a lot of room from the very active car traffic. Same thing for the sidewalk, at some places they are ridiculously large also to the detriment of cars. Tram traffic is not shared with car traffic. Parking previously free has become expensive.
Personally I don’t go to town anymore; I buy all I need in the large malls outside the city. I have no functioning bike and plan to keep my two cars for convenience. This is not fighting climate change, it’s just pissing people off.
Cringe
This is major bs. Tram proved to be the least efficient mass transportation means.
Elevated metro is superior in speed this is just quality of life
maybe pure efficiency shouldn't be the goal in every single avenue of life
The only reason that is the case is because they get stuck in traffic. Not the fault of trams, but the fault of having too much cars.
I live in a city of 1 million people with 24 tram lines. Not once have i been stuck in traffic using one, unless someone in a CAR decided to cut across the tram tracks causing an acsident.
@@silentben1234 go elevated it’s faster and doesn’t screw with other people traveling