I'd actually argue that Garma was the least evil, since he was really just trying to please his father. But I will agree that Dozle isn't as evil as Gihren, Kycillia, or Degwin.
I mean Dozle did see Operation British to completion annnnd reprimanded Ramba Ral for refusing to take part (i.e. Gundam the Origin). So I'd say Dozle is an evil loveable oaf.
I would just like to point out that while you do have a point in that Major battles like Solomon have so much shit going on it's weird that a "kinda good" pilot stood out so much to people. But the thing about major battles is, so many people are involved that everyone has stories to tell and if a pretty good sized detachment of soldiers get killed to nearly a man and the survivors say it was by 1 pilot, it's one of those things that tends to become myth as time goes on.
It's very possible for a gelgoog or two to show up at Solomon since you said it yourself, ace pilots were given one for testing and gato has been one for some time, better than most if he's one of the few to get a high mobility zaku in his custom colors, and before they became gelgoogs they were previously the Zaku high mobility R3 also known as proto gelgoogs.
Those that recognize and remember playing that level 0:43 then you have an amazing game and I’m so glad that I found it in a GameStop store back between the late 00’s and early 10’s
Even if it’s non-canon, I like the fact there exists a piece of Gundam media where Amuro admits that Gato probably could have beaten him had they fought.
So that means both Amuro and the Federation owe Umon Samon a debt of gratitude for sortieing in his RB-79 B-Gundam at Solomon and getting Gato to reposition.
I think Gato got his rep, less because of his kill count and more because of how fast he achieved it. For all we know, those 8 ships and several MS could have only lasted 2 minutes before he wiped them out.
I agree with this take, the idea he was considered a Nightmare cause of how fast he dismantled the Federation forces would make it more noteworthy and explain why he is talked about in Academic Books. The archetypical example of how to effectively use a Mobile Suit in a lightning strike against a larger enemy force.
Great video!!! You should cover Cima G and her fleet! I feel like she is vastly misunderstood and was thrown under the bus for things not under her control.
at loum Char had a Zaku II C or an early S that was comparible. since nukes were still on the table at that point the C model with it's heavy radiation shielding was the standard mobile suit, the F didn't show up until after the antarctic treaty. so still more points to char.
Ah, I was unaware of that. Every source I've ever read always shows his Custom Zaku as an S-Type. I have often wondered whether or not his Zaku WITHOUT the Commander's Crest (shown in works OUTSIDE Gundam:The Origin) was an S-Type or not.
@@FlashingBladesProductions read "or an early S that was comparible" i refuse to believe that they issued their commanders mobile suits with the radiation shielding removed when they knew they were going to be slinging nukes around. he may have gotten a better Zaku later, but at the early onset it would be just as heavy as a C-type. which makes the better engines all the more impressive and the speed boost make all the more sense, as once that dead weight is stripped away he's even faster. if the early S-type was compared to a comet it makes sense that Char would be so feared and could even give a gundam a thrashing after it got lightened.
In the original/Japanese version of war in the pocket it's 20 kills to be an ace. Edit: Kelley Layzner should have been assigned to the thunderbolt sector with the Living Dead Division.
Ah, that makes MUCH more sense than just 5. At the time of making this video, I didn't have the subbed version of 0080 on my computer to double check the details. I concur, but since he lost his arm AT Solomon, which was less than a week before the war ended, would there have been time to get him transferred? Either way, they could have at least given him a prosthetic arm.
I Think it was the Protagonist of the old X-wing PC game, he spent the battle bombing Hanger bays to keep the heat off the Attack runs and the small fighter group from being swarmed.
leads me to wonder how if Gato did become the nightmare of solomon, then how did he almost lose a couple of times to a 19 year old ensign piloting a weapon he's somewhat proficient with but doesnt have any war experience compared to gato who has been in the one year war and has taken out many enemies.
A few factors. At Torrington: Gato's objective wasn't to kill Kou, it was just to escape with Unit 2 mostly intact for Operation Stardust. At Solomon: Unit 2's left arm was disabled, and Gato had limited weaponry, with only beam sabers and head vulcans. At the colony drop: Gato actually WON that fight, but Bask firing the Solar Flare System 2 interrupted Gato, stopping him from finishing Uraki off. Short answer: plot armor.
@@nicholas.e5158 not entirely, if we want to talk about bad gundam pilots, we should equate Shiro from 08th MS team, sure he took out that Zaku in a ball but if it wasn’t for the superior armor of the gundams he piloted, he would’ve been more than dead in most of the battles he’s been in
@@red3994 Pretty sure that honor goes to Christina Mackenzie, who lost the Gundam Alex to a heavily damaged Zaku II. That Gundam was tailor-made for Amuro Ray using his combat data; she complained that it was tuned to be way too fast for her. Lol.
@@bellgrand that more or less has to do with the fact that she wasn’t meant to pilot something like that and she did quite okay in it in terms of fighting the Kampfer and Bernie. Shiro is just to blame all because the suits he pilots he was supposed to and a suit custom made just for him and tanks so many avoidable hits all because he has the superior armor, it’s in so many fights you can’t ignore it once you see it
5:05 But that's Keyan Farlander, the protagonist of the X-Wing flight simulator game and later Jedi Knight and general who served with distinction, becoming one of the key New Republic/Galactic Alliance generals/admirals in the Vong War.
Gato might be Zeon's propaganda to keep the morale of the remnants leveled. Then the EFFs accepted such as an anti-newtype propaganda since even Amuro by the point after the one year war is being kept under surveilance with his achievement left vague for the most part. Gato, wether a newtype or not, as a Zeon will be hated then by the federation and his inclusion with the military text books means that the EFF is more or less aware of Zeon's trump cards. Then it's only a matter of time before Titans took over.
This also depends on if Armuo, said this after he took out the Big Zam. I’m sure that he would have made Gato’s rain at Solomon look like a spring sprinkle.
5 kills is actually a huge deal in a real war and why it was the historical standard for being named an ace fighter pilot. video game logic where both you and your enemies endlessly respawn kind of breaks peoples' brains, but basically if every one of your pilots kills 1 enemy pilot without dying, you've won the war. on the flip side you only jave one life to lose. so an ace who kills five of the enemy is doing the work of five pilots
But that's Keyan Farlander, the protagonist of the X-Wing flight simulator game and later Jedi Knight and general who served with distinction, becoming one of the key New Republic/Galactic Alliance generals/admirals in the Vong War. Or in Disney canon it's some Alderaanian who never liked Leia or the nobility growing up and seems to replace both Farlander and Winter.
Gato is one who got his title by happenstance, and not by being a “ace” pilot, and here’s why . Fact1 even before the Battle of Solomon, he was a security officer first, and wasn’t trained until later, you didn’t here that he was at Battle of Loum, because he wasn’t there. Fact 2. He piloted a Rick Dom, with only a few modifications and that paint job, was because he part of the security team that protected Dozle Zabi and his family, special people get some rewards for it. Fact 3 Gato used the Beam Bazooka, so his kills were easier than had he used a standard bazooka or anti-shipping rifle. His Dom’s paint job stood out like a pimple on a pumpkin which is why he stood out. Fact 4 Gato beating Gundam, would be impossible, because Gundam was faster,better armored and better armed, Armuo Ray has more combat experience in a mobile suit, on earth and in space, and not even taking in his NewType skills, Fact 5 If Armuo.could defeat Ramba Ral ,The Black Tri-Stars, a number of other Zeon threats from mobile suits on mass, warships and mobile armors, and wipe out eight of twelve Rick Dom’s at the action at Side Six single handed, and fight The Red Comet to a draw, Do you really, Really believe that Gato could do what they can’t?? I Don’t Think So…
I think you're seriously underselling Gato's kill streak at Solomon. Yes a lot happened that was noteworthy at Solomon and arguably more so than Gato's rampage but the same can be said for Char and his impressive kill streak at Loum which you even compared Gato's feats too. By your logic, what's so special about what Char did at Loum? Loum was noteworthy for the mass use of nuclear weapons, the complete destruction of side 5 as well as the death of millions of civilians, it was the first battle that showcased the full potential of mobile suits and how deadly they were, the borderline complete destruction of the federation fleet, and the capture of General Revil, one of the highest ranking and most important officers of the federation's military. So what's the big deal about this one Zaku pilot who destroyed a couple of ships? Also, even if we take scaling into account, I think Gato's feats at Solomon still rival if not surpass Char at Loum. A Rick Dom isn't all that insanely superior to a Zaku 2, let alone the commander type that Char had. Secondly, most of the time when you see footage of them achieving their infamous kill streaks, Char is shown with wingmen while Gato is mostly if not always shown alone. There's also what they were fighting against. Char was primarily destroying ships that could barely come even close to hitting him while Gato not only had to contend with ships but other mobile suits as well. Again, I really think you're underselling Gato's rampage at Solomon, and I don't understand the confusion for his legacy and how it doesn't add up. It makes perfect sense.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Federation made a lot of what Amuro did top secret even scrubbing a lot of info on him out of the official records. That's why he was partly under house arrest in Double ZZ as the Federation actually worried about Newtypes being a bit of a double edge sword. Naturally this too is subject for debate, I could see it being true just by virtue of Amuro piloting a lot of prototype units and the White Base was a decoy as during the war as well so there is merit there for him knowing too much to just let wander freely. Still most of what is known commonly about Amuro is from returning soldiers rather than official documents. That said I don't like the way they had Gato set up... They should have made it that he was both a good pilot but a tactical genius using both his skill in his MS as well as some soft of tactics the Federation had not been the target of making the situation wildly confusing as well as deadly for them thus earning the name with no sticky issues of kill count.
AFAIK, most fans of the franchise are keenly aware of the fact that U.C. series made after the OG are sometimes inconsistent with its canon (or otherwise stand the risk of creating weird plotholes), and they just tolerate it for the sake of not imposing needless restrictions on newly created media. IMO, at least, the only time there's really a risk of harming the franchises integrity is when out of nowhere they're like "we now turn our eyes to a previously unseen conflict, one which played out on the extreme outer edges of the One Year War, a time when two psychic two year olds in SSJ3 Gundams became embroiled in a bitter conflict over the fate of every last mutant robot enslaved on Neptune."
anyone know how i can find the clip where gato is being told that the battle is lost and that they need to fight another day? i cant find it here on youtube.
5:14 well then what the random y wing pilot did during the battle ? he only survive or he did something impressive ? Amuro did thing to the side of the federation. gato did things on the side of zeon
You make a really bad comparison when you try to diminish the original manga and PS2 Gundam EiS Ace Pilot Mission story feats... Even if we look at the fact that Anavel Gato had a custom MS-09RS with an uncommonly manufactured beam bazooka (which by the way does not mean that just any pilot could handle a beam bazooka or a bazooka itself since the near action simulator Gundam games like Zeonic front and the legendary PS3 Gundam Crossfire do depict how difficult it can be to learn how to use a bazooka properly... since your aiming has to be much more careful.) Killing the Federation RGM-79GM is not all too easy as you may believe as even mediocre pilots can be fortunate to use the full size shield to deflect some direct hits until the shield breaks... therefore killing 20 GMs and two space Cruisers even if they are Salamis class is not an easy feat to accomplish and to the Feddies there may be other factors like how quickly this happened... in which case Anavel Gato did some speedy maneuvers and some direct shots and the Feddies know that the Salamis is loaded with beam cannons and gun turrets... something that not all games have properly depicted and... It's kinda unfair to make a direct comparison to Amuro Ray (a non army person and underage kid) piloting a top secret Feddie prototype RX-78-2 Gundam which was originally designed for research and development NOT for actual war use... As such the RX-78-2 has special armor Lunar Titanium Alloy and hyper Bazooka, and beam fifle which were capable of making short work of a Zeon space Cruiser... let alone a Mobile Suit... There are also other differences since Anavel Gato's ace status is actually established much earlier when he eventually received a high mobility Zaku II which was referenced in some books when his ace moniker was initially "Valfish" or something and it's the Earth Federation who call him a nightmare... which btw is another way of singling out particularly talented enemy pilots so that when GM squads are deployed in massive numbers these guys are on the lookout for the aces and will basically barrage fire in their direction... for the sake of the videogames at that time in the early 2000s it was a new thing to feature Zeon ace pilot stories where usually the story was about the Earth Federation and Amuro Ray even in Japan... And it was a massive task to include those stories and missions as part of a single game especially when the Sony PlayStation 2 managed to establish a very healthy install base early after launch... iirc it took a year or less than two years to reach 10 million PS2s sold. Had this happened to the Sony PlayStation 3, we might have seen a bigger push for near action simulator Gundam games like Gundam Crossfire which unfortunately was rushed for launch and the Western gamer journalists were unfairly targeting the game for crucifixion. Still a revision to the story is plausible because the beam bazooka, if used accurately can do massive kill counts against Feddie Space Cruiser numbers... a far easier feat compared to Char Aznable in a custom MS-06S model which was prioritized for him since they were tracking his potential early on and sinking five Feddie space Cruisers was not easy either but additional information like he did it in a short time in a single sortie while evading Saberfish space fighters... is not the same as evading of fighting off basic GMs with that big shield that can potentially absorb some big direct hits and give you problems. Even when Anavel Gato gets his MS-14A Gelgoog the odds are stacked because the Feddie space Cruisers and MS still massively outnumbered the remaining Zeon forces.. Also Anavel Gato served under Gihren's and Dozle's branches where Gihren's A Baoa Qu fortress was the last line of defense and Solomon Base was a front line defense base... It is murky but it is plausible that YMS-14, MS-14A and MS-14S (which are almost all the same level and only need further tuning to the pilots to fix some bugs in a rushed model which is shown) were capable of being at the fortress of Solomon... the problem is that there was an early attempt to depict the Johnny Ridden MS-14B at the battle of Solomon which was revised since Johnny Ridden actually should have been at Granada Base and only sent towards Solomon when Kycilia Zabi offered to send forces where iirc in the third film they did not know where the Feddies were gonna attack first... however given that Luna is also a civilian sector, the military base of Solomon made more sense especially to flex the Solar System weapon.
Gato didn’t deserve that title, for several reasons he’s wasn’t a MS pilot until late in the war, so he missed his chances to solidify his position. Pact any halfway good pilot armed with a beam bazooka, would have done the same thing, he was just lucky and had his Rick Dom painted in standard colors, he would be just another ms.Fact Armuo would have easily aced Gato, because Gundam was faster and better armed , Armuo had more combat experience than Gato at least three months of combat,Fact if Armuo was able to defeat Ramba Ral, The Black Tri-Stars, assorted other mobile suits and armors, and massacred eight Rick Doms at the battle at side six, Do you honestly believe that Gato was even capable of winning?? I think not!!
Wait, what? He made ace at the Battle of Loum. He has more combat experience and a higher kill count (200) than Amuro Ray (142). And he did it without an experimental mobile suit or Newtype powers.
@@bellgrand Gato wasn’t at Loum, but according to the official Gundam wiki, he was involved in Operation British. Which makes him a War Criminal. Never met your heroes, because if they are Zeon they are probably ignoring the facts that have committed crimes against humanity, mass murder, environmental damage, and that’s just my short list.
@@johnsouto5221 Ah right. In the White Wolf manga, he was decorated after Operation British by Admiral Dozle along with Char Aznable, Norris Packard, and Shin Matsunaga. But this means he has been fighting even longer than I'd thought.
Weird how amuro sees such hate in dozle's heart when out of all the zabi's he's probably the least evil.
I'd actually argue that Garma was the least evil, since he was really just trying to please his father. But I will agree that Dozle isn't as evil as Gihren, Kycillia, or Degwin.
I mean Dozle did see Operation British to completion annnnd reprimanded Ramba Ral for refusing to take part (i.e. Gundam the Origin). So I'd say Dozle is an evil loveable oaf.
@@foxhoundms9051 Yeah he had a lot of cognitive dissonance about it but he still did it. In both continuities.
@@DIEGhostfish poor, evil, loveable oaf 😂
@@FlashingBladesProductions dozle best dad
I would just like to point out that while you do have a point in that Major battles like Solomon have so much shit going on it's weird that a "kinda good" pilot stood out so much to people. But the thing about major battles is, so many people are involved that everyone has stories to tell and if a pretty good sized detachment of soldiers get killed to nearly a man and the survivors say it was by 1 pilot, it's one of those things that tends to become myth as time goes on.
It's very possible for a gelgoog or two to show up at Solomon since you said it yourself, ace pilots were given one for testing and gato has been one for some time, better than most if he's one of the few to get a high mobility zaku in his custom colors, and before they became gelgoogs they were previously the Zaku high mobility R3 also known as proto gelgoogs.
Those that recognize and remember playing that level 0:43 then you have an amazing game and I’m so glad that I found it in a GameStop store back between the late 00’s and early 10’s
Even if it’s non-canon, I like the fact there exists a piece of Gundam media where Amuro admits that Gato probably could have beaten him had they fought.
The match we deserve but will never get in canon. We'll have to settle for EiS and DWG3.
So that means both Amuro and the Federation owe Umon Samon a debt of gratitude for sortieing in his RB-79 B-Gundam at Solomon and getting Gato to reposition.
@@Ozraptor4 Gato is Overrated!!
@@johnsouto5221 nuh uh
I think Gato got his rep, less because of his kill count and more because of how fast he achieved it.
For all we know, those 8 ships and several MS could have only lasted 2 minutes before he wiped them out.
I subscribe to that theory.
Gato's official kill count is higher than Amuro's...
If you have a Beam Bazooka, you can get mad props for doing that.
I agree with this take, the idea he was considered a Nightmare cause of how fast he dismantled the Federation forces would make it more noteworthy and explain why he is talked about in Academic Books.
The archetypical example of how to effectively use a Mobile Suit in a lightning strike against a larger enemy force.
Great video!!! You should cover Cima G and her fleet! I feel like she is vastly misunderstood and was thrown under the bus for things not under her control.
Your editing rocks, excellent watch - background music, clips, and slides - all well done
I appreciate it! I hope to get some more Gundam content out in the next few months. My next video is likely going to be a look at Cima's character.
I always thought Gato was pretty bad ass.
I concur. I wish he was in more animated works.
at loum Char had a Zaku II C or an early S that was comparible. since nukes were still on the table at that point the C model with it's heavy radiation shielding was the standard mobile suit, the F didn't show up until after the antarctic treaty. so still more points to char.
Ah, I was unaware of that. Every source I've ever read always shows his Custom Zaku as an S-Type. I have often wondered whether or not his Zaku WITHOUT the Commander's Crest (shown in works OUTSIDE Gundam:The Origin) was an S-Type or not.
@@FlashingBladesProductions read "or an early S that was comparible" i refuse to believe that they issued their commanders mobile suits with the radiation shielding removed when they knew they were going to be slinging nukes around. he may have gotten a better Zaku later, but at the early onset it would be just as heavy as a C-type. which makes the better engines all the more impressive and the speed boost make all the more sense, as once that dead weight is stripped away he's even faster. if the early S-type was compared to a comet it makes sense that Char would be so feared and could even give a gundam a thrashing after it got lightened.
In the original/Japanese version of war in the pocket it's 20 kills to be an ace.
Edit: Kelley Layzner should have been assigned to the thunderbolt sector with the Living Dead Division.
Ah, that makes MUCH more sense than just 5. At the time of making this video, I didn't have the subbed version of 0080 on my computer to double check the details.
I concur, but since he lost his arm AT Solomon, which was less than a week before the war ended, would there have been time to get him transferred?
Either way, they could have at least given him a prosthetic arm.
@@FlashingBladesProductions 5 is the Real World definition of ace.
Now you have me wondering who the hell was flying the damn Y Wing?!
In canon, it's someone named Evaan Verlaine. In Legends, it was someone named Keyan Farlander who is apparently still canon too.
I Think it was the Protagonist of the old X-wing PC game, he spent the battle bombing Hanger bays to keep the heat off the Attack runs and the small fighter group from being swarmed.
leads me to wonder how if Gato did become the nightmare of solomon, then how did he almost lose a couple of times to a 19 year old ensign piloting a weapon he's somewhat proficient with but doesnt have any war experience compared to gato who has been in the one year war and has taken out many enemies.
A few factors.
At Torrington: Gato's objective wasn't to kill Kou, it was just to escape with Unit 2 mostly intact for Operation Stardust.
At Solomon: Unit 2's left arm was disabled, and Gato had limited weaponry, with only beam sabers and head vulcans.
At the colony drop: Gato actually WON that fight, but Bask firing the Solar Flare System 2 interrupted Gato, stopping him from finishing Uraki off.
Short answer: plot armor.
Almost lost? The gp02 was not fit for 1v1 battle and gato toyed with kou! Kou was the worst Gundam pilot of all time.
@@nicholas.e5158 not entirely, if we want to talk about bad gundam pilots, we should equate Shiro from 08th MS team, sure he took out that Zaku in a ball but if it wasn’t for the superior armor of the gundams he piloted, he would’ve been more than dead in most of the battles he’s been in
@@red3994 Pretty sure that honor goes to Christina Mackenzie, who lost the Gundam Alex to a heavily damaged Zaku II. That Gundam was tailor-made for Amuro Ray using his combat data; she complained that it was tuned to be way too fast for her. Lol.
@@bellgrand that more or less has to do with the fact that she wasn’t meant to pilot something like that and she did quite okay in it in terms of fighting the Kampfer and Bernie. Shiro is just to blame all because the suits he pilots he was supposed to and a suit custom made just for him and tanks so many avoidable hits all because he has the superior armor, it’s in so many fights you can’t ignore it once you see it
5:05 But that's Keyan Farlander, the protagonist of the X-Wing flight simulator game and later Jedi Knight and general who served with distinction, becoming one of the key New Republic/Galactic Alliance generals/admirals in the Vong War.
Or in Disney Canon it;s some Alteranaian chick who hated Leia growing up since she didn't like Royalty.
The background music is an absolute vibe
Gato might be Zeon's propaganda to keep the morale of the remnants leveled. Then the EFFs accepted such as an anti-newtype propaganda since even Amuro by the point after the one year war is being kept under surveilance with his achievement left vague for the most part. Gato, wether a newtype or not, as a Zeon will be hated then by the federation and his inclusion with the military text books means that the EFF is more or less aware of Zeon's trump cards. Then it's only a matter of time before Titans took over.
That's an interesting angle that I never considered before.
This also depends on if Armuo, said this after he took out the Big Zam. I’m sure that he would have made Gato’s rain at Solomon look like a spring sprinkle.
Great research and thinking. Good keypoints and evidence based to support keypoints
5 kills is actually a huge deal in a real war and why it was the historical standard for being named an ace fighter pilot. video game logic where both you and your enemies endlessly respawn kind of breaks peoples' brains, but basically if every one of your pilots kills 1 enemy pilot without dying, you've won the war. on the flip side you only jave one life to lose. so an ace who kills five of the enemy is doing the work of five pilots
I like your comparison to the YWing pilot
But that's Keyan Farlander, the protagonist of the X-Wing flight simulator game and later Jedi Knight and general who served with distinction, becoming one of the key New Republic/Galactic Alliance generals/admirals in the Vong War.
Or in Disney canon it's some Alderaanian who never liked Leia or the nobility growing up and seems to replace both Farlander and Winter.
Gato is one who got his title by happenstance, and not by being a “ace” pilot, and here’s why . Fact1 even before the Battle of Solomon, he was a security officer first, and wasn’t trained until later, you didn’t here that he was at Battle of Loum, because he wasn’t there. Fact 2. He piloted a Rick Dom, with only a few modifications and that paint job, was because he part of the security team that protected Dozle Zabi and his family, special people get some rewards for it. Fact 3 Gato used the Beam Bazooka, so his kills were easier than had he used a standard bazooka or anti-shipping rifle. His Dom’s paint job stood out like a pimple on a pumpkin which is why he stood out. Fact 4 Gato beating Gundam, would be impossible, because Gundam was faster,better armored and better armed, Armuo Ray has more combat experience in a mobile suit, on earth and in space, and not even taking in his NewType skills, Fact 5 If Armuo.could defeat Ramba Ral ,The Black Tri-Stars, a number of other Zeon threats from mobile suits on mass, warships and mobile armors, and wipe out eight of twelve Rick Dom’s at the action at Side Six single handed, and fight The Red Comet to a draw, Do you really, Really believe that Gato could do what they can’t?? I Don’t Think So…
War involves thousands if not millions.
There is more than enough room for multiple legends on both sides.
I think you're seriously underselling Gato's kill streak at Solomon. Yes a lot happened that was noteworthy at Solomon and arguably more so than Gato's rampage but the same can be said for Char and his impressive kill streak at Loum which you even compared Gato's feats too. By your logic, what's so special about what Char did at Loum? Loum was noteworthy for the mass use of nuclear weapons, the complete destruction of side 5 as well as the death of millions of civilians, it was the first battle that showcased the full potential of mobile suits and how deadly they were, the borderline complete destruction of the federation fleet, and the capture of General Revil, one of the highest ranking and most important officers of the federation's military. So what's the big deal about this one Zaku pilot who destroyed a couple of ships?
Also, even if we take scaling into account, I think Gato's feats at Solomon still rival if not surpass Char at Loum. A Rick Dom isn't all that insanely superior to a Zaku 2, let alone the commander type that Char had. Secondly, most of the time when you see footage of them achieving their infamous kill streaks, Char is shown with wingmen while Gato is mostly if not always shown alone. There's also what they were fighting against. Char was primarily destroying ships that could barely come even close to hitting him while Gato not only had to contend with ships but other mobile suits as well.
Again, I really think you're underselling Gato's rampage at Solomon, and I don't understand the confusion for his legacy and how it doesn't add up. It makes perfect sense.
Excellent analysis
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Federation made a lot of what Amuro did top secret even scrubbing a lot of info on him out of the official records. That's why he was partly under house arrest in Double ZZ as the Federation actually worried about Newtypes being a bit of a double edge sword. Naturally this too is subject for debate, I could see it being true just by virtue of Amuro piloting a lot of prototype units and the White Base was a decoy as during the war as well so there is merit there for him knowing too much to just let wander freely. Still most of what is known commonly about Amuro is from returning soldiers rather than official documents. That said I don't like the way they had Gato set up... They should have made it that he was both a good pilot but a tactical genius using both his skill in his MS as well as some soft of tactics the Federation had not been the target of making the situation wildly confusing as well as deadly for them thus earning the name with no sticky issues of kill count.
Cool man
What's this instrumental version of Paradise that you;v'e got playing?
The good old Solomom Cat.
AFAIK, most fans of the franchise are keenly aware of the fact that U.C. series made after the OG are sometimes inconsistent with its canon (or otherwise stand the risk of creating weird plotholes), and they just tolerate it for the sake of not imposing needless restrictions on newly created media.
IMO, at least, the only time there's really a risk of harming the franchises integrity is when out of nowhere they're like "we now turn our eyes to a previously unseen conflict, one which played out on the extreme outer edges of the One Year War, a time when two psychic two year olds in SSJ3 Gundams became embroiled in a bitter conflict over the fate of every last mutant robot enslaved on Neptune."
Nicee
anyone know how i can find the clip where gato is being told that the battle is lost and that they need to fight another day? i cant find it here on youtube.
Gato almost got owned by an absolute rookie. I guess his reputation is sorely embellished.
Do a video on Cima Girahau!
5:14 well then what the random y wing pilot did during the battle ? he only survive or he did something impressive ? Amuro did thing to the side of the federation. gato did things on the side of zeon
So he got it on with Nina first?
Not sure I'd be proud about tapping that one, damaged goods and all
@@Zero01k But who damaged Nina ?
You make a really bad comparison when you try to diminish the original manga and PS2 Gundam EiS Ace Pilot Mission story feats...
Even if we look at the fact that Anavel Gato had a custom MS-09RS with an uncommonly manufactured beam bazooka (which by the way does not mean that just any pilot could handle a beam bazooka or a bazooka itself since the near action simulator Gundam games like Zeonic front and the legendary PS3 Gundam Crossfire do depict how difficult it can be to learn how to use a bazooka properly... since your aiming has to be much more careful.)
Killing the Federation RGM-79GM is not all too easy as you may believe as even mediocre pilots can be fortunate to use the full size shield to deflect some direct hits until the shield breaks... therefore killing 20 GMs and two space Cruisers even if they are Salamis class is not an easy feat to accomplish and to the Feddies there may be other factors like how quickly this happened... in which case Anavel Gato did some speedy maneuvers and some direct shots and the Feddies know that the Salamis is loaded with beam cannons and gun turrets... something that not all games have properly depicted and...
It's kinda unfair to make a direct comparison to Amuro Ray (a non army person and underage kid) piloting a top secret Feddie prototype RX-78-2 Gundam which was originally designed for research and development NOT for actual war use...
As such the RX-78-2 has special armor Lunar Titanium Alloy and hyper Bazooka, and beam fifle which were capable of making short work of a Zeon space Cruiser... let alone a Mobile Suit...
There are also other differences since Anavel Gato's ace status is actually established much earlier when he eventually received a high mobility Zaku II which was referenced in some books when his ace moniker was initially "Valfish" or something and it's the Earth Federation who call him a nightmare... which btw is another way of singling out particularly talented enemy pilots so that when GM squads are deployed in massive numbers these guys are on the lookout for the aces and will basically barrage fire in their direction...
for the sake of the videogames at that time in the early 2000s it was a new thing to feature Zeon ace pilot stories where usually the story was about the Earth Federation and Amuro Ray even in Japan...
And it was a massive task to include those stories and missions as part of a single game especially when the Sony PlayStation 2 managed to establish a very healthy install base early after launch... iirc it took a year or less than two years to reach 10 million PS2s sold.
Had this happened to the Sony PlayStation 3, we might have seen a bigger push for near action simulator Gundam games like Gundam Crossfire which unfortunately was rushed for launch and the Western gamer journalists were unfairly targeting the game for crucifixion.
Still a revision to the story is plausible because the beam bazooka, if used accurately can do massive kill counts against Feddie Space Cruiser numbers... a far easier feat compared to Char Aznable in a custom MS-06S model which was prioritized for him since they were tracking his potential early on and sinking five Feddie space Cruisers was not easy either but additional information like he did it in a short time in a single sortie while evading Saberfish space fighters... is not the same as evading of fighting off basic GMs with that big shield that can potentially absorb some big direct hits and give you problems.
Even when Anavel Gato gets his MS-14A Gelgoog the odds are stacked because the Feddie space Cruisers and MS still massively outnumbered the remaining Zeon forces..
Also Anavel Gato served under Gihren's and Dozle's branches where Gihren's A Baoa Qu fortress was the last line of defense and Solomon Base was a front line defense base...
It is murky but it is plausible that YMS-14, MS-14A and MS-14S (which are almost all the same level and only need further tuning to the pilots to fix some bugs in a rushed model which is shown) were capable of being at the fortress of Solomon... the problem is that there was an early attempt to depict the Johnny Ridden MS-14B at the battle of Solomon which was revised since Johnny Ridden actually should have been at Granada Base and only sent towards Solomon when Kycilia Zabi offered to send forces where iirc in the third film they did not know where the Feddies were gonna attack first... however given that Luna is also a civilian sector, the military base of Solomon made more sense especially to flex the Solar System weapon.
One Dom destroyed an entire task force, including 12 mobile suits... and this is not an impressive kill count to you?
Gato didn’t deserve that title, for several reasons he’s wasn’t a MS pilot until late in the war, so he missed his chances to solidify his position. Pact any halfway good pilot armed with a beam bazooka, would have done the same thing, he was just lucky and had his Rick Dom painted in standard colors, he would be just another ms.Fact Armuo would have easily aced Gato, because Gundam was faster and better armed , Armuo had more combat experience than Gato at least three months of combat,Fact if Armuo was able to defeat Ramba Ral, The Black Tri-Stars, assorted other mobile suits and armors, and massacred eight Rick Doms at the battle at side six, Do you honestly believe that Gato was even capable of winning?? I think not!!
Wait, what? He made ace at the Battle of Loum. He has more combat experience and a higher kill count (200) than Amuro Ray (142). And he did it without an experimental mobile suit or Newtype powers.
@@bellgrand Gato wasn't at Loum. Gundam wiki confirmed that. And his 200 + courtesy of Zeon Propaganda.
@@bellgrand Gato wasn’t at Loum, but according to the official Gundam wiki, he was involved in Operation British. Which makes him a War Criminal. Never met your heroes, because if they are Zeon they are probably ignoring the facts that have committed crimes against humanity, mass murder, environmental damage, and that’s just my short list.
@@johnsouto5221 Ah right. In the White Wolf manga, he was decorated after Operation British by Admiral Dozle along with Char Aznable, Norris Packard, and Shin Matsunaga.
But this means he has been fighting even longer than I'd thought.
@@bellgrand So that also makes him compliant with Mass Murder and a War Criminal. Never met your Heroes.