Are the Newer Model Butane Stoves Actually Better? - How to buy a good one!
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- In this video I wanted to see if I could make an older butane stove function more efficiently like the newer ones that are being sold on the market. Does the newer design actually make a difference? I show what I did, but any changes that you make are AT YOUR OWN RISK! My recommendation is that you just buy a new model with the upgrade shown in this video. They are not very expensive.
I like my butane camp stove for its convenience and how compact it is, but those 1lb butane bottles are so inefficient! When they are near empty, but not empty enough to throw them away, the flow of gas slows waaaaaay down so that all you get is a small flame! Some newer models of these stoves have a new feature that helps with this problem, but I show you the difference between the old and the new.
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Top tip, some of those stoves have exploded due to the canister overheating from using a wide frying pan which reflects the heat back to the canister causing an explosion and fire burning down your tent... Advise not to use anything that overhangs any part of the canister area!
Good warning. Never use too big of a pan that will spread the flame out to where it can heat the fuel bottle.
Unfortunately, there will be some that will try this modification in an effort to extend the burn time while at the same time using an oversized pan to prepare more food specially in remote locations that will not have those bottles in stock at a loca Walmart. I would advise to include a warning at the beginning, end and the middle and a banner “At your own RISK” on this video.
@@dungeonmastervenger .
There are stoves that eject the cartridge when the pressure is too high, and cartridges that can eject themselves.
Read all Instructions first. They actually warn about that.
Always good info. I think maybe you are a real Jack of all trades. Thankyou for sharing all your knowledge. The times we live in we can use all the tips and tricks we can get. Have a blessed weekend and give Linda a hug from us.
Tinkerers make the world go round... Did Edison or Tesla evey say, "I Can Just Run To The Store And Get One"? I think not! Keep up the good work there young man.
I ordered an Iwatani butane stove directly from Japan. It has the extra heat panel built in and the model I ordered has the butane section further away from the cooking area. So you can use bigger pans. Nice burner.
I wanted one of those, but I waited and now it's up to 80 bucks when it used to be 55 just a few months ago...
@@cillaloves2fish688 I bought it from an eBay supplier (from Japan) “Iwatani CB-EPR-1 Eco Premium Cassette Fu Gas powered Camping Stoves”.
But they have gone up in price since I bought it.
But there may be other Japanese sellers. ???
Amazon had a similar one but someone commented that the Japanese version was better and that he had used the original for years.
This model also uses the butane more efficiently giving higher output per canister.
@@cillaloves2fish688 if you have a fairly large Asian market close by take a look in that store they carry those types of stoves and are reasonably priced
@@scottgorman7166
Thx, but they are about 10 - 12 btu's, I already have a few of those, no windbreaker whatsoever, so a good gust will blow them out.
From e-bikes to stoves to cargo van conversions. This channel has it all. Thanks!
Tech-Tip: pressurized liquid fuels like butane and propane must be able to boil to produce enough pressure to be forced through the plumbing and oriface so it can be burned. Much below about 45F and butane appliances like these stoves and cigarette lighters get rather cranky. As the fluid fuel boils due to pressure release, because you're channeling fuel vapor away for use, the temperature of the containment vessel will decrease. It's the same principle that allows air conditioners to work. If you don't provide external heat the temperature of the tank will drop so much that it will be too cold for the fuel to boil, right around 32F for butane.
That is why I chose the dual fuel model. That way I could use propane in the cold weather.
So THIS is why the low-flame occurs in cold temperatures!
I don’t care who you are, that is ingenious, right there!
For about $15 you can buy a torch that uses these same butane canisters, and they are a great way to start a campfire, and probably a good way to use up those nearly empty canisters.
That's a good idea too.
Message from the future:
Yes, I have such a flamethrower to kickstart my camping wood stove.
Thanks again sharing your wisdom and smart ideas with us. I am so jealous to Linda, she absolutely marrys a smart and handy gentleman
I need to make sure she sees your comment...
I just came back from Utah where I had that same problem with the butane. Thanks for the video. I'll try cutting some flashing. Love that stove.
hi rick - great information for heating up the butane canister - thanks! i'm going to try it on my on my older stoves. fyi - in case you might need another stove sometime and don't want to pay amazon prices - if you have an asian market in great falls, or you want to check one out on your travels, they sell gas-one stoves in two sizes - the large ones like your's are $18.99 and the small ones are a little more at $25.99. i paid $45 on amazon for a small one, and then a week after i found one at the asian grocery so much cheaper. they sell the butane for $1.25 a canister too, and if you buy a case you get four for free. i hope linda is doing much better now - hopefully walking without much pain. thanks again for the stove tips.
That's a very good tip on buying the stoves and fuel from an Asian store or outlet. These stoves are widely used in Asian countries.
Good Morning Rick. Well done & Very Clever. I actually never gave it a second thought thinking the can of fuel was empty. I have two of these exact stoves and they are the best. Thanks for being the 'Wizard' that you are, Really smart stuff. 🎯 👏👏👏👏👏 God Bless and please say Hello to Linda for me.👋
Hello Eric, the price of that fuel has gone through the roof! I did manage to find a deal on Ebay for a dozen cans this morning for $35 delivered, but that was a lucky find I think.
@@gonagain Thank You so much for the heads-up. I guess we are all in this together for the long haul. I wonder if we will ever see fuel prices drop back down to a decent price? Yikes. We keep hearing the Opposite. New World Order, Right??? Not Good at all. Keep the Faith. 🤲
Oh the irony.!!!
First off well presented, clear and precise description of the modification.
The irony is that here in Australia 🇦🇺 there was an issue of a couple of cases of the propane tank becoming too hot and bursting. The main cause of this was using too large a pan that then deflected excessive heat on to the canister.
All the “old” style stoves were removed from the market and a big scare campaign to stop people using them until the next generation was brought out onto the market. The next generation incorporated an over pressure protection to disconnect the vapour flow if the pressure goes above a certain level.
Now the “frozen cans”. The stoves rely on gas “vapour” to burn 🔥. Below a certain temp the liquid propane will not vaporise. The pressure drop inside the propane canister drops to such a level it appears to freeze (just the same as a refrigerator works.
That’s were the added “heat sink” helps to keep the propane vaporising to use up every last bit in the can.
I hope this is useful. Happy camping 🏕 and stay safe and well
these are butane C4H10, not propane C3H8, the additional Carbon in the chain cause it to have different physical properties, boiling point, pressure, density, etc
That is some good information. Since I found a place that sells the fuel for $1 a bottle I use my butane stove quite a bit now, this will help.
Where?
@@beautifuldreamer3991 In Orange County California. There is a huge dollar store at the south-east corner of Harbor and Chapman Ave. There is a Target and this place is to the right of that. I think Viva is the name. Many other dollar type stores carry them for $1.50 each in a 4 pack.
I just bought one 2 days ago. Looking at it, it's the old one. I'll use your recommendations when it starts to get empty. Thanks!
This is great. I was having a problem with the last dregs of gas in my cans.
I usually warm the gas can in some heated water from the kettle when the flame starts to diminish. Definately going to have a go at modding my stove. I use it daily as it's in my work van, saves me hundreds of pounds yearly on the cost of coffee, especially at the rate I drink it. Great video and explanation was insightful.
I use one of these stoves in Australia and am lucky that the slow down only happens a couple of months a year due to our warm temperatures when it does I open the cover and pour hot water 💦 on the cylinder great modification though regards mike
I really enjoyed this video, I often go out camping and have the freezing issue... by the end of the trip I have all these half empty bottles as i change them out quickly to keep cooking, I will try give this modification a go, see if that helps reduce the freezing.
That's a great mod Rick,
I don't have a stove like that, but I'm thinking I should get one.
JT
They're pretty handy for when we want to cook inside the trailer due to weather conditions. And, unlike the propane burners, this one will let you simmer if you need to.
interesting video, I usually rotate 2 cans and put the cold one inside my jacket to warm up, it does get cold here in the UK and it is an issue. I'm going to modify mine. thanks for the video 👍
I’m trying your idea right now. I have some Aluminum stock for air conditioning and I’m using that. It looks like it’s going to work just fine. Thanks again.
You betcha.
Personally I prefer the older whit gas
stove. You don't have to mess around with the canisters. Fill it once and that's enough for a 5 day campout..... And a lot of people buy those stoves and have no idea how to put them together or light them.
Timely video!! I have had multiple stoves in the 7500 btu range without the heat sink., My remedy was usually warming the can in water or with my hands.. I had also thought of warming the can and then putting s piece of reflectix On the can.. Recently been considering buying a Iwatani stove in 15000btu range but read some of the burners meltdown., In the end I settled on a Eureka sprk 12500 btu with the heatsink in it.. I love this stove and the case that came with it seems very robust.. Something that everyone should remember is each can of fuel only had a value of so many btu’s.. If you have a powerful stove the fuel cylinder is not going to last as long as less powerful model unless you use at lower flame height.. Also, I buy my fuel at a restaurant supply store or Asian markets.. Usually half the price of a big box store.,
Thanks, David. The cases that come with most of these stoves don't last very long, so you did well. Now I know why this 15,000BTU stove has a brass burner!
I do have one of the first ones out , probably had it 10-15 yrs . I like using it out ice fishing so I'm going to try that ! Thanks . Hope Linda is healing up OK.
For cheap stoves they work pretty well, but you may have a problem making your stove work in the cold, due to the limits of butane, unless your ice fishing shack is warm enough. Linda is doing great and is getting around pretty good.
Good to know. great tip. I have an RV store top that I am trying to get working I'll use a bottle on it with a hose but I have looked at a small store just to heat stuff up. Praying for Linda wishing her the best as well as you Rick. Take care stay safe.
Thank you, Den. It's looking like I can take Linda camping in the next week or so as long as she's careful.
Super useful information! I was certain my stove had a fault as it just seemed to die after 10 minutes trying to boil a pot of water outside in very cold conditions. You've taught me a few things.
great tip . i am going to order one as the old charcoal one i have just doesnt cut it anymore,
Thanks for doing the modification video I was one of the people asking you to now I have to see if I can do it. You definitely gave a good overview of how the plate works to heat the can so I think I should be able to do it. Love your videos and tips. Have fun traveling and stay safe.
Thank you, Kenneth, it was your comment that made me set the stove aside as a reminder to do this video.
You're a genius and it looks like gas one stole your idea! Great video! I just ordered this stove tonight.
Thanks, I have a little heater that uses these butane cans and after 10 minutes the gas can is too cold to work. I will have to give this a try
one cold morning near the badlands of south dakota, it took me over an hour to cook some bacon on one of these. the bottle was all frosty.
That doesn't sound like it was fun.
The show-me-how-to-do-stuff grandpa everyone should have. :)
Very slick my man, I guess we're going to start calling you Gonagiever
Pretty ingenious on your part Rick. I wouldn't have ever thought to do something like that. I don't currently have a butane stove but would like to get one at some point. Have always just had a campfire, but a little butane burner like that would be great if there were fire restrictions. And I would prefer butane to propane.
just get one of outdoor stove that accepts multi fuel, they all have builtin preheat tube to vapourize liquid or liquified compressed gas
@@philiptong4978 thanks. However, I prefer the small one burner butane as that way I can cook indoors in my minivan as well as outdoors on a table. The rest of the time I prefer a fire pit to cook over. But that's a great idea and probably more reasonable.
something like this, there are other brands
ruclips.net/video/ZCqJJEcLjek/видео.html
such EN417 canister usually contains a mixture of propane and iso-butane to provide low temperature vapour pressure in between its constituents
@@wandacraig8286 I cook inside my e350 van on the older model GasOne butane stove and love it. Simple dishes with short cooking times, usually. Last year I made huckleberry jam and water bath canned it using my butane stove in a campground in Idaho. It was a fun trip!
I've been looking forward to this offering!
Nice fix Rick.
I have that same dual fuel stove and actually love that I can use propane. Right now it has been incredibly difficult to find butane. Propane is abundant but butane has become a unicorn. 🤷🏼♀️
Hello Cat, check the link in the first comment below the video. If they are out of stock, then try other Asian restaurant supply places online.
Interesting, my first visit to your channel I will be checking out some more videos for sure.
When there is a pot or frying pan on the stove more heat should be directed towards the canister I would have thought, this is an interesting modification though and one I would carry out if I start using this kind of stove again.
Your actually not supposed to use wide frying pans and overly large pots on these stoves, but all that is in the instruction manual.
Great idea ,sir , we use those a lot and always have to throw away a quarter of the tank
Genius!
(This was Linda's idea right?)
Good job sir. I myself spend an inordinate a a amount of time fixing things that i should replace just to keep them out of the landfill but hey it makes me happy.
Yes, I agree on that!
Will definitely put your tip to use at deer camp. Thanks Rick!
You're welcome, Jeffrey!
Great solution! I had a similar problem with my little buddy heater when winter camping. The single pounders would frost up. I switched to a little 5 pound refillable. I’m lucky, I have a newer one with that piece built in.
Well, I've learnt something today. I use one of those with the same problem.
Hey thanks heaps, I’ve always had trouble with them freezing over during the mornings at camp, they all shut off. most annoying I will try this right now!
your design can also be used on the model with the slide. Just let the aluminium plate rest on the slide. The slide will still move the cannister while it rest on the plate.
Great information, when I watched your video first thing I did was go over to my little stove and see if I had that tray in there or not lol.
As usual, that was interesting and fun. You come up with the coolest demos!
More great info, thanks. Bought the Oupes 600 for trailer. Powers fan (on low), Bodega 50 fridge & lights for about 32 hours straight( on test). Thanks for the info on this great unit.
One problem with butane is in cold weather (below 40 degrees) butane won't flow sufficiently...but propane (so I've been told) will. There is a steak dish (steak au poivre) that creates too much smoke...got to make this outside because I live in an apartment. No outside exhaust.
I had to look that recipe up and now I'm hungry!
Also if using at lower elevation don't assume it is empty. Those cans will be good for one more use when going up in elevation. Also don't use the click start. Wastes a lot of fuel , use a lighter for instant instead of losing gas the whole time you are turning the knob. Always disengage the can manually. Don't rely on the stove to do it. I've had one drain a can. I've also had one still lit even with all the safeties.
Great points! I'll try using a lighter next time.
We stock several quality brands in our emergency supplies from Korea, and Japan, and one manufactured right here in the Philippines where I am a semi-retired EX-pat. Most came with the heater strip and the one that did not has a conveniently open slit in the perfect spot to do an install. We generally purchase the 2 in 1 variant that is supplied with a hose barb that will screw into the side of the metering valve system and allow the use of our standard 11-kilo cooking gas cylinders to fuel the stove. Beautiful Bride has learned to cook up some great meals over the campfire and my assortment of camp stoves. We like the cassette stoves for emergency use indoors. My Mother-in-law is a non-camper and non-prepper so these stoves are a wonderful emergency tool for her. They are almost like cooking inside, on her kitchen range but they can be used almost anywhere. We also encourage Beautiful Daughter to practice cooking on these units in case she needs that skill away at college in a few years.
Another thing we like about them is their ability to simmer at a very low setting. Something that isn't possible with our regular propane camp stove. Phillipino food is by far my favorite and I ate a lot of it in Hawaii during the years that we lived there. I had my favorite restaurants and hole-in-the-wall places that we would go to.
Im gonna do this because the can cools down and pathetic! Plus i love my expirementing in everything I do! Lol. Thanks heaps 👍 and cheers from Australia subbed and liked ❤
Thanks for the sub!
@@gonagain thanks for the idea! Top idea! 🙂 👍👍👍
An adapter can be used to get the left over gas out of these cans, into smaller backpacking canisters.
I see your Bluetti there. I just ordered one on 3/09 a EB55 but didn't receive it although they charged my card right away (3/25 I still do NOT have it)....heads up, you can't call anyone, they do not respond to emails. Can't contact tech support...there IS NO SUPPORT. I found the "community chat" through Google, someone there got through to someone at Bluetti who sent me an email message to be patient? That's customer support? When $1000 is charged but you can't find out where your purchase is, speak to anyone, get support, not even told when to expect it....HEADS UP....promoting the product.
Did you buy your Bluetti through Amazon? If you did, then you need to go directly back to Amazon. If you bought it from Bluetti then it will take longer for it to arrive. Communication is harder because of the language barrier and sometimes what they say doesn't seem quite right. They just came out with the new "S" series ( EB55S and EB70S) and I know that they are backlogged because of that. Did you get a tracking number yet?
@@gonagain no I bought it directly from Bluetti. I am concerned for support for the product. For something that expensive you can't contact anyone. Try calling their numbers. Amazon isn't going to help with warranty. I'll wait to see what happens. I'm on the road in 3 weeks so crossing my fingers something shows up. You can't even speak to tech support. I wish I would have gone with another Jackery, I have a 500. I was adding more.
Thanks for the tip! I have the stove you do and had noticed that little issue on my stoves but didn’t know what to do. I’ll fix mine!
Thanks again!
Good idea, supported by the fact that the manufacturer did the same thing.
I must say though, that freezing nozzle isn't really the issue. The drop in pressure causes the drop in temperature and the drop in temperature causes a drop in pressure...a viscous cycle.
Propane is a little less susceptible to that than butane is. You can buy butane/propane mixes just for that reason. It is quite remarkable how much the temperature of a gas affects the pressure.
Great point! Thanks.
This butane can warming hack is something my several year old Iwantani 35FW has. It's was a tad pricey but has lasted a long time, runs at 15k btu, has a magnetic seal for the tank connection, wind deflectors built in, and can get my wok up to temp fast. I believe it was made in Japan
Thanks for that info. My hack was just to show that it works, but I suggest that folks just buy a newer stove that has it built in already. They're not very expensive anymore.
Good work, it's always hard to get last of the gas on a cold morning 👍👍👍👍🔥
Thank you kind sir. Definitely going to try. So expensive the cartridge bottle and I’ve noticed they feel half or quarter full when the flame dies down. Rather crazy. Hope we have some out there who will tinker to find an exact fix to at least get the most out of it. Either that or the gas filler manufacturer should come up with a solution. 🙏
The newer ones have that.
As always very helpful, thank you so much!
Good idea on that stove. How lone do the bottles last. Good to see another video my friend. You take care.
You made me do math and now my head hurts! A pound of butane contains about 21,000 BTUs and these are 8oz cans, so figure about 10,500 BTUs in a can. Most of these stoves burn 7,500 per hour on high so you would get about an hour and a half per 8 oz. can of butane.
Thanks for the tip !! Good modification for winter camping..although I usually switch to propane in winter, it would be interesting to see the difference.
Hello Pete, cold ambient temps will still be a problem until that plate gets warmed up, but it should help with that too.
In the UK you can buy gas canisters with 70% butaine, and 30% propane. Because propane freezes at a lower temperature, the gas still flow when it's cold? Like your channel.
That's a good thing to have, I don't think I've ever seen that mix here.
Simple ideas are always the best. What a great idea.
Thank you! 😊
Great information. Thanks
I have a Redpower camp stove, this thing is great, I boil water and cook burgers on it on my patio in Costa Rica...I use as an extra stove....cool
Thank you for this very practical course! You're an excellent professor!
First time watching. Love your video. Thanks.
Thanks for watching, Leo. We have lots of videos, check out the rest of our channel for more.
I will be trying your idea in my stove . I basically like my butane stove except when it's cold out. If it is close to freezing or colder the butane hardly works at all. It was a pain to wake up on cold mornings and have hardly any flame for making coffee. I car camp a lot.
For Feb and March I was in Arizona. There were a few cold mornings. I started putting the canister in my bedding inside my car at night when I knew the morning would be cold. I also need a wind screen.
I understand completely! Have you seen what I did to make a single burner propane stove more user friendly? It's what we use as our main stove when we are traveling: ruclips.net/video/eo5HwkW2qxU/видео.html
That was fun, thanks.
That is a good idea!
I use an one burner coleman gas stove. Works in any kind of temperature. One gallon of camp gas now runs $13.99 or you can use unlead gas.
every liquid fuel stove for the outdoor has a preheat tube to vapourize fuel before mixing with air, similar design also works for compressed gas
Very interesting. Thanks!
Welcome!
I have that stove. I prefer it to my electric burner.
I have a different model. But yes, I prefer cooking over fire than electric coils.
You are really good engineer, Rick!
Thanks, Dorai. We hope to see you this summer sometime.
Amazing review.
Really gr9 vid. Yeah I have too many of these floating around AND I want to use them for my campervan. So yeah, I'll do this mod. You know I'm going to have to review this vid again. Clever mod BTW.
It does work! The difference is most noticeable when you are using it for longer stretches, like boiling water and making a stew or something.
@@gonagain OK. So I did the mod. I used 2mm thick aluminium plate shaped like the newest design. I insulated it from the chassis with plastic and rubber and moved the plate closer to the nozzle. I also took your advice and added a little insulation inside the cannister compartment. It's pretty cold here in Oz, ie down to around 11DegC which is when the Butane gives up the ghost. This means you can use it on cold morning to heat up your tea or coffee NP! BYW> NO ONE has posted anything like this.
Good video. Info is always good I don't use it but might be able to help someone else
Learned something every day!
Thank you 👍😎
The modification I've shown in the video will only allow a small amount of heat to reach the bottle to warm it slightly. A word of caution concerning the use of these stoves! Always follow the instructions and the most important instruction is to NEVER use a pan that extends over the butane fuel bottle (or can). This can cause the can to overheat and explode. The price of 8oz. cans of butane for these stoves has gone through the roof along with all other types of fuel. I just bought 12 cans off of Ebay for $35.00 including shipping so search around a little for the best deals. Try this outlet for fuel: www.webstaurantstore.com/search/butane-fuel.html 03/25/2022
I’ve been told that you can buy the butane cans at Asian grocers for a much lower price. Unfortunately, I have no access to that in my area😢
If they don't have blue on the rim they can explode so be mindful of pot size.
@@secondact7151 I think there’s a certification mark you need to have on the can? Don’t remember the acronym. 😁
Also, the pan shouldn’t overlap the canister section. I haven’t even been able to test my Iwatani since I can’t find butane here.
@@SuzanneWho guess how I figured out the max pan size? I put my folding Coleman oven on my butane burner. It was close to exploding, so I thought hmmm, I wonder if that is a bad idea.
@@secondact7151 😎👍🏻
What a thorough review! Thank you sir!
soon as I find my butane stove ill modify it good idea..
Very good,Not a little Bit Dangerous?....good idea.the Last Gas Comedy Out the Gas bitte😂
Hello Matthias. No, it's not dangerous, because only enough heat makes it to the bottle to warm it up slightly. However, never put a wide pan on the burner that extends over the bottle. That can lead to an explosion.
Great idea I have two of these.
I'd do this in the wintertime... kinda scary in hot weather
Thanks for sharing the good tips
You bet!
Hey. You got me as a new subscriber 👍buddy there’s nothing wrong with trying things out like you did
And it works. So yes it was very informational. And as I live in a cold climate country. Well it is certainly beneficial to me. And a lot of other people too. So keep up the great videos 🥇🤩🇬🇧
Thanks for subscribing, Jay!
Great informative video, Thank you Rick for sharing such useful knowledge. Cheers. Andy. Scotland.
Thanks for watching, Andy!
I know someone who did the opposite, he removed the device that brings the heat to the can precisely because the latter came much too hot and it was too dangerous
I've never had a problem with that, but maybe with a long boil? Also, be absolutely sure that the pan doesn't go over the butane bottle area.
I like, didnt know could get 15kbtu, bought gasmate deluxe ii which is 8.5kbtu, thanks
That was a great video and thank you for sharing.
You bet!
That's some guts...I wish I had the confidence to take a dremel tool to a butane stove and then use it.
Thats great good man, i got to do that, thanks for the tip.
You're a freaking legend, sir! I observed this phenomenon with my stove and even took the stove to the shop because I thought it was broken.
Please let me know if someone knows more about the physical laws involved that explain why the flame dies down when almost empty!
It's because the bottle gets cold and freezes up, especially when it's nearing being empty and has less pressure. Another remedy is to take the bottle out and warm it up in your hands for a bit.
It chills down because it is losing what is known as..
'The Latent Heat of Vaporization'
Nice hack! I like it! Thanks for sharing :)
Glad you like it, appreciate the comment.
I have one of the older Gas One models and that has always annoyed me. I never thought about heating up the can. I usually just throw away the can when it gets to that point. I wonder if some of those HotHands would work on the outside of the can. Obviously on the side away from the burner
They would, but the cost would negate any gain. The other day, using an unmodified stove, I just placed my hand on the bottle and that was enough to get it working great. I boiled water for coffee twice on that almost empty bottle by doing that. So modifying one does work to get the last bit of fuel out.
@@gonagain I have used a Hand warmer before, while it isn't cost effective, I was in a situation where I had many Hand warmers, but a very limited supply of the fuel and needed to squeeze out every drop. But , I'm going to modify one of my stoves with your improvement, that looks ideal!
Watching from Bermuda Island. Nice sharing,
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Thank you, Sir. That was fun learning! That new stove at $40 is now $59..in one year. Dang! Cheaper just doing your modification!