I don't know how the media in the US is portraying the whole situation, but the media in taiwan where I'm from has said that the reasons behind the strike is not just about the potential decrease in income if they've ever decided to implement this policy, rather , it's just like Dr. Jubbal said, people aren't going to internal medicine、surgery、emergency medicine、pediatrics or Obgyn anymore,instead they'd rather go to a less stressful and higher earning specialty like dermatology and plastic surgery. And opening up more positions without addressing the horrendous working conditions isn't gonna solve the problems , but rather increase the competition and decrease the overall salary of the less stressful specialties mentioned above.
I wish I understood why US physicians are so horrific at advocating for themselves. Independent of why the doctors is SK are striking, you have to applaud their ability to come together and fight against a broken system that sounds very similar to the one in the US.
Woah I heard of nurses on strike before but not physicians on strike here in the USA before and its tied to work safety and salaries. But I never heard of physicians going on strike here in the USA before. But then again some of the things happening in the South Korea strike we need to watch carefully here for similar issues.
There is nothing to admire. LOL You already have plenty of people who can "come together for a cause" in America. They are called special interest groups! I hear stories of US med students who rent apartments together to get through medical school and go through real hardships. That is not the case in Korea. Korean doctors are paid almost as much as US doctors - in country where living costs are less than half of America's, and where medical school is way cheaper.
@@Convention_De_Geneve First of all, I don't need to be in the NRA or own a gun to form my own views on gun control. Why don't you practice what you preach by "looking at the truth" and "stop spreading misinformation" and refute my points in the other comments instead of slinging mud as I am trying to "look at the truth".
All others from the outside of South Korea, you may consider this situation as an acute flare up episode of chronic disease rather acute injury. Korean medical system has had multiple chronic issues like heavy work loads to compensate minimal service prices which is strongly regulated by government, high risk of being sued as a criminal case, and non-respectful society environment, etc. Current announcement from the SK government is nothing but the trigger. Young doctors learned that government will not keep their words to improve the environment, will betray doctors again, and nothing will gonna change, from the last failed strike on 2020 and Covid pandemic era. I believe it will last for a long time.
The SK Govt. has inadvertently shone a bright light on its weird health system. It’s opened a Pandoras Box and now we learn the inability of the Govt. to objectively look at its multifaceted and long standing failure of the health system. One simply must be paid for hours worked. Full stop. Medics deserve a fair wage. Full stop.
As a working resident in the U.S., when my fellow colleagues ask about the doctor strikes in Korea, I give the following explanation. The plan to boost medical school enrollment appears to be a superficial solution to address the issues of essential and regional healthcare. Although the average number of doctors in Korea is slightly below the OECD average, the number of patient encounters itself is significantly higher, ensuring that access to medical care is not compromised. In the U.S., seeing 20 patients a day is considered high, but in Korea, it’s not uncommon for physicians to see 100 patients a day. Should the number of doctors be increased to reduce this burden? However, this could financially strain hospitals to the point of bankruptcy given the current medical insurance and compensation system. In the U.S., medically underserved areas are often those where a hospital is a 4-5 hour drive away. In Korea, nearly any location is within 1-2 hours of a university hospital and this raises questions about the true extent of regional medical shortages. Moreover, areas labeled as medically vulnerable often lack not only doctors but also supporting staff like nurses and sufficient infrastructure. Even with adequate preparation, if patients prefer to travel to Seoul for treatment, local hospitals will struggle financially. Should patients in medically vulnerable areas be restricted to local hospitals only? Such restrictions would infringe on individual rights and freedoms in health care. The solution to over-centralization and lack of local access to healthcare should not be coercive or regulatory but should incentivize the revitalization of local healthcare. In the U.S., doctors in rural areas can earn up to twice as much, and the necessary support staff and infrastructure are in place. From who is originally from South Korea, it's disheartening to see all of this.
My friend we are having a strike even in Kenya at the moment ...and the guilt tripping statement is that this should be a calling abracadabra...Yes absolutely it is a calling but we don't fuel vehicles with calling as a currency or pay mortgages by showing off our stethoscope...I thought these leaders are servants too how come their bank statements read in Shillings/dollars instead of service .Pay Healthcare workers their dues ,Periodt!
Technically, Trainee students and professor doctors in big corporate hospitals are quitting. Just regular hospitals are running as fine... but the problem is , nobody wants to do indispensable sector(neurosurgeon, heartsurgeon, etc life saving surgeon) because of low cost and lawsuit (costs for surgery and treatment are fixed by government because we use universal healthcare. US doesn't have universal health care and doctors can set the price on their own unlike S. Korea.
The UK is just as bad, the NHS doctors have been striking for 2 years in a war with the government. I am a doctor in the NHS and am starting residency in the US this summer. Many doctors are leaving the UK
P.s. I absolutely agree the public should trust doctors more than it does and that doctors could take notes from now the nurses pulled off their strike action. Which is why I’m doubly frustrated by the officers representing the doctors’ associations, because they could have easily reached out to the healthcare workers’ union to talk strategy or even just a temporary alliance.
When people are arrested for not doing a job, I'm fairly certain the world we're looking for is slavery. Didn't think I'd already need to miss the days when South Korea was different from the North, beyond a few larger more shiny buildings and trendy music beyond allowed.
Brasil is the Same. Interns are cheap labor force, overworked and underpaid. Government is trying to open more med schools but Medical Category is against it.
Insane how complicated the situation is, i dont know what to think now, if i learned anything was that i would need to investigate more. But the idea of cheap labour was mind blowing, feels like an Econ move.
Yo... I think I can provide a new perspective to your ideas on this issue. It's much more complicated than you can't imagine. Don't believe anything that the Korean Healthcare Government tells you to believe... The doctor shortage is a lie. Korea is a small country, smaller than the state of Washington. A rural area is no rural area in the standards of US peoples. And see the urbanization index of South Korea. There are not enough people for a hospital to operate on in a rural area. Government says we need more pediatricians, but we don't have children born in this country! The birth rate is lower than that of Ukraine.... No doctor shortage period. Do we get pay sufficient? What, 6th high paying country in the World? IF you believe that, just explain how that is possible in a country where the medical costs are one of the lowest in the World! HA? Magic? We don't pay sufficiently. The coronary angioplasty is only 1500 dollars in South Korea, which is worth of maybe a barium upper GI in US?
Maybe have part of the training occur in a rural area. Do like a 3-6 month rotation there so that there is an increase in labor, people are more educated on the location and setting (and possibly sold on the lifestyle), and more consistent coverage of healthcare providers (a licensed doctor in the area)
I hate older doctors talking about our work hour restrictions. I pre-log my hours just so I don't get called in to my PD to explain a violation. I know very few people who genuinely never go over (unless they always put off work in the last 2 hours of a call). I have no idea how much i actually work, but its not 80. According to my log its ALWAYS 78......
how is this different from advance practice nurses requiring to work under a doctor? in US hospital settings, trained, registered, advance practice have paid for, acquired the skills and successfully demonstrated them to be able to work. Physicians are more supervising advance practitioners than doing the skills themselves. So, they get a fee for supervising even if they have not actually done this skill under supervision for a period of time. The concept that medical care is a career for making a living is as old as the career and from the time of the first universities in Europe existed, there has been endless efforts to prevent competition for this lucrative income stream , "Witches, Midwives and Nurses" by B.Erhenreich addressed this topic. If, as with nursing, physicians needed to demonstrate skills in a manner similar to ACLS/PALS skills test to practice, how they got the answers to written questions doesn't matter as call/response practice tests are a valid memorization technique and the proof is in the practicum.
I dont know if you are aware of the fact that, back here in South-East Asia, a resident needs to pay to get into residency training. Talking about Nepal, a resident needs to pay 6 times more than what s/he recieves as a stipend and for teaching hospitals they are both a source of income and a easy low wage labourers.
doctors soo understaffed compared to the increases of patients of each hospitals.....don't know why they are against it.... we wished we had more doctors on the floors in australian hospitals........
I hear the economical dilemia, but in south africa, uk, new zealand its hard to get essential services before its to late. I can only speak 4 south africa were state hospitals get paid a standard overtime, but that itself is being threatned by laws that maybe placed in the future. Unfortunetly i dnt think its fair 4 pts to wait, time is sometimes not on ur side. All i knw is in many 3rd world countries ppl die due to lack of resources. I never wanted to b doctor 4 the money i just think ppl should get wat they work 4 and the hours they put in.
I know that things in UK is also going really bad but things in Korea? its brutal. Korean junior doctors are being paid 5~6 pound / hour with 90~100hr/week workload And physicians don't have the right to protest or even resign.
@@medgamer3070 Don't stir things up. In Korea, interns earn about 68.82 million won a year, while residents earn about 72.8 million won. The average annual salary for Korean office workers is only about 40 million won. That's almost 1.5 to 2 times more. And residents complain that this salary is low, but in the end, isn't it because they expect a higher salary whether they open their own practice or become employed doctors? Doctors in Korea earn an average of about 300 million won. Moreover, you guys didn't resign, you are taking collective action. Is it natural for over 90% of residents to resign at the same time individually?
and one more thing doctors in korea dont know how good they have in korea compared to us doctors in rest of the world..... and they get so much pay too.......
Korea's healthcare system cannot function properly in a low-growth society. In my opinion, that's the root cause. Korea is noted for its shockingly low birth rate.
Nurses get more sympathy because they make much less money. Often times I assume the general public would swap place with physicians whereas they probably wouldn't with nurses. When it comes to the issue of MDs just picking lucrative specialties and nullifying the increase in med students, governments can prevent that by using a system that more or less forces people to pick certain less desireable specialties. As terrible as that might sound to an american, in France for example the government sets a specific amount of spots for every specialty each year and 6th year students pick based on their rank on a national competitive exam. So the best ranked students get to pick whatever they want, the ones in the middle have more limited choices and the ones at the bottom pretty much just have a few less sexy specialties left (usually psych, family med, public health, clinical pathology etc)
Terrible idea. COMPENSATE all of the specialties FAIRLY and plenty of people will choose those specialties of their own free will. This is a funding structure design choice, nothing more and nothing less.
@@ChadbourneZitek I largely agree with you but I think that won't entirely (partially sure) solve the problem on its own. Let's say you start reimbursing psych visits more, it's likely the people who used to pick ophto will now pick psych and just rush their visits to make bank there instead potentially harming patients.
In Singapore about 42% doctors are foreigners. if you think you are underpaid, overworked, unfair or whatever - leave. but don't stop government from recruiting others.
In fact doctors and nursing truly not have that National thing when doctors and nurses saving humans from AI all the time and reduce pains. Maybe they can discuss more solutions with the globe council of doctors and nursing same as international trading habits.
I'm Korean. According to the latest survey, 76% of Korean citizens support the government's stance and view dissenting doctors as privileged individuals aiming to maintain their prestige. This sentiment speaks volumes, especially considering Yoon's administration's general lack of popularity. Moreover, the tragic deaths resulting from the strike have further soured public opinion against the doctors, leaving them with minimal support. People are aware that doctors get paid VERY WELL after completing their residency, so there's little sympathy for their perceived "low" pay during their training period.
Cheap labor for a few years, but among the highest paid professionals in the country after their training is complete. Considering people who are essentially still students cheap labor is pretty disingenuous.
@@kyleolson9636 they get paid a lot because they are literally handling life or death. the stress from that responsibility warrants the high pay. trainees aren't student they are fully graduated doctors working for an insane amount of hours to end up getting paid minimum wage. Training for 5 years minimum. 5 years is an insanely long time as well. their pay should be increased and their hours need to be decreased
@0s0sXD I never said they were students, just that they are essentially students. If the industry considered them full doctors, there would be no need for residency. They are basically interns. Either the medical industry should get rid of the residency program if they think recent MD graduates are qualified doctors, or we should continue to consider residents to be in their final stage of education.
I am a retired Korean-American physician, came to US when I was in high school and trained here. I had gone to Korea each year as a visiting professor in Seoul National University Hospital for about 20years prior to retirement. I am in total agreement with the majority of Korean population. This strike is been driven by the doctor's greed for $$. Very sad...
Well, in training.. What do u expect 😅 All other healthcare professionals, not in training, live off off 60 to 80 K per year.... Do not feel compensated enough for the time, money and hard work put in to obtain those licenses.... So, nurses, dietitians, respiratory therapy, speech language pathology, paramedics deserve the higher pay... but, who am I to have an opinion on such a pressing matter 😅
Here is the thing... If you are a good doctor you will always attract attention. Plus, if the money is not enough, you can always open your own practice and get em all patients 😊😁🤑🙄🤭
That's an oversimplified way of thinking. Like everything, attention is decided by many factors. Your personal brand marketing strategy, customer base (your specialty), customer reach (your region, ad media ...) , your networking, ..etc and of course, "good" practice will play a role. That's business stuff, and not all the best doctors have that. Also that is naive to think that a regular patient can determine if the treatment of a doctor is "better" or "worse" than the others, especially with disease which has natural fading course (on medications) longer than 2 or 3 days. They may go to doctor A, got the "good" prescription, then still not feel better and go to doctor B, which gives a no "good", but no "harm" prescription, and the disease magically went away, just due to the lasting effect of doctor A's medications, and natural course of disease. In short, such "good" or "bad" is determined and/or recognized correctly ONLY by Health Association, not by patients who have really skewed notion about what helps them
This is simply wrong and spreading the false rhetoric by the Korean docs. Korean doctors receive the highest salary among OECD countries when adjusted for GDP. They are very well compensated. In rural areas, you can see job postings for pediatricians with upwards of what’s equivalent to $300,000 USD per year, despite the fact that South Korea’s GDP per capita is only half that of the United States. In SK, physicians without postgraduate training (i.e. residency) can still practice medicine. This is wildly different from that of the US, where at least 1 year of PGY training is legally required in most states and practically 3 years to make yourself employable. That's why Korean doctors choose to not go into those so-called "vital" specialties like IM, FM, peds, etc. because they can practice as GP without PGY training and get paid just as well, not because they are not fairly compensated. South Korea is a country that has not added any new spots in medical schools for the past 27 years. In fact, the last time they made changes to the number of available seats, it was REDUCED. Meanwhile, during the same period, the number of medical school spots in the United States doubled. It’s quite intriguing, isn’t it? The reason behind their protests is indeed greed.
Probably 90% of them became doctors because their ommas and appas pushed them to become one. It’s all about titles here. Oh and go to S.K.Y. Universities. SMH. Younger generation won’t care about the titles and Korea will be in deep irreversible damage.
Pretty sure you got that idea from K-dramas, but K-dramas aren’t how the real korea. It’s true that some Korean parents push their children to go to medical school, but it’s a tiny proportion of the whole population. You might have got that idea from sky castle or other k-dramas but I know as a fact that none of those dramas portray the reality of Korea.
I don't know how the media in the US is portraying the whole situation, but the media in taiwan where I'm from has said that the reasons behind the strike is not just about the potential decrease in income if they've ever decided to implement this policy, rather , it's just like Dr. Jubbal said, people aren't going to internal medicine、surgery、emergency medicine、pediatrics or Obgyn anymore,instead they'd rather go to a less stressful and higher earning specialty like dermatology and plastic surgery. And opening up more positions without addressing the horrendous working conditions isn't gonna solve the problems , but rather increase the competition and decrease the overall salary of the less stressful specialties mentioned above.
Increasing the competition means there may be more doctors to share the same load.
I wish I understood why US physicians are so horrific at advocating for themselves. Independent of why the doctors is SK are striking, you have to applaud their ability to come together and fight against a broken system that sounds very similar to the one in the US.
We used to joke that we’re too busy. But I think there’s truth to that. US doctors, especially during training, are some of the hardest worked
Woah I heard of nurses on strike before but not physicians on strike here in the USA before and its tied to work safety and salaries. But I never heard of physicians going on strike here in the USA before. But then again some of the things happening in the South Korea strike we need to watch carefully here for similar issues.
There is nothing to admire. LOL You already have plenty of people who can "come together for a cause" in America. They are called special interest groups! I hear stories of US med students who rent apartments together to get through medical school and go through real hardships. That is not the case in Korea. Korean doctors are paid almost as much as US doctors - in country where living costs are less than half of America's, and where medical school is way cheaper.
@@datoolbox1 no, it's evident you haven't gone to medical school. Please at least try to look at the truth, and stop spreading misinformation online.
@@Convention_De_Geneve First of all, I don't need to be in the NRA or own a gun to form my own views on gun control. Why don't you practice what you preach by "looking at the truth" and "stop spreading misinformation" and refute my points in the other comments instead of slinging mud as I am trying to "look at the truth".
Kenya also has a doctor's strike with similar issues
S. Korea medical system is national health care. So it's close to UK situation. It's incomparable to US.
All others from the outside of South Korea, you may consider this situation as an acute flare up episode of chronic disease rather acute injury.
Korean medical system has had multiple chronic issues like heavy work loads to compensate minimal service prices which is strongly regulated by government, high risk of being sued as a criminal case, and non-respectful society environment, etc.
Current announcement from the SK government is nothing but the trigger. Young doctors learned that government will not keep their words to improve the environment, will betray doctors again, and nothing will gonna change, from the last failed strike on 2020 and Covid pandemic era.
I believe it will last for a long time.
The SK Govt. has inadvertently shone a bright light on its weird health system. It’s opened a Pandoras Box and now we learn the inability of the Govt. to objectively look at its multifaceted and long standing failure of the health system. One simply must be paid for hours worked. Full stop. Medics deserve a fair wage. Full stop.
As a working resident in the U.S., when my fellow colleagues ask about the doctor strikes in Korea, I give the following explanation.
The plan to boost medical school enrollment appears to be a superficial solution to address the issues of essential and regional healthcare. Although the average number of doctors in Korea is slightly below the OECD average, the number of patient encounters itself is significantly higher, ensuring that access to medical care is not compromised. In the U.S., seeing 20 patients a day is considered high, but in Korea, it’s not uncommon for physicians to see 100 patients a day. Should the number of doctors be increased to reduce this burden? However, this could financially strain hospitals to the point of bankruptcy given the current medical insurance and compensation system.
In the U.S., medically underserved areas are often those where a hospital is a 4-5 hour drive away. In Korea, nearly any location is within 1-2 hours of a university hospital and this raises questions about the true extent of regional medical shortages. Moreover, areas labeled as medically vulnerable often lack not only doctors but also supporting staff like nurses and sufficient infrastructure. Even with adequate preparation, if patients prefer to travel to Seoul for treatment, local hospitals will struggle financially.
Should patients in medically vulnerable areas be restricted to local hospitals only? Such restrictions would infringe on individual rights and freedoms in health care. The solution to over-centralization and lack of local access to healthcare should not be coercive or regulatory but should incentivize the revitalization of local healthcare. In the U.S., doctors in rural areas can earn up to twice as much, and the necessary support staff and infrastructure are in place.
From who is originally from South Korea, it's disheartening to see all of this.
Us .. south Korea, Germany, syria .. it is everywhere and this needs to change
My friend we are having a strike even in Kenya at the moment ...and the guilt tripping statement is that this should be a calling abracadabra...Yes absolutely it is a calling but we don't fuel vehicles with calling as a currency or pay mortgages by showing off our stethoscope...I thought these leaders are servants too how come their bank statements read in Shillings/dollars instead of service .Pay Healthcare workers their dues ,Periodt!
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Technically, Trainee students and professor doctors in big corporate hospitals are quitting. Just regular hospitals are running as fine... but the problem is , nobody wants to do indispensable sector(neurosurgeon, heartsurgeon, etc life saving surgeon) because of low cost and lawsuit (costs for surgery and treatment are fixed by government because we use universal healthcare. US doesn't have universal health care and doctors can set the price on their own unlike S. Korea.
We, med students in morocco are stricking too, it's been about 3 months
The UK is just as bad, the NHS doctors have been striking for 2 years in a war with the government. I am a doctor in the NHS and am starting residency in the US this summer. Many doctors are leaving the UK
Is there a reason that the goverment is not negotiating?
P.s. I absolutely agree the public should trust doctors more than it does and that doctors could take notes from now the nurses pulled off their strike action.
Which is why I’m doubly frustrated by the officers representing the doctors’ associations, because they could have easily reached out to the healthcare workers’ union to talk strategy or even just a temporary alliance.
When people are arrested for not doing a job, I'm fairly certain the world we're looking for is slavery. Didn't think I'd already need to miss the days when South Korea was different from the North, beyond a few larger more shiny buildings and trendy music beyond allowed.
Brasil is the Same. Interns are cheap labor force, overworked and underpaid. Government is trying to open more med schools but Medical Category is against it.
This is exactly what S. Korea is going through now
Definitely not as simple as the news portray it!
Insane how complicated the situation is, i dont know what to think now, if i learned anything was that i would need to investigate more. But the idea of cheap labour was mind blowing, feels like an Econ move.
If America was the land of the free and you had freedom of speech then speak up about what your government is funding with your tax money
Can you make a video on healthcare systems that actually worked (even globally) or could work?
Yo... I think I can provide a new perspective to your ideas on this issue. It's much more complicated than you can't imagine. Don't believe anything that the Korean Healthcare Government tells you to believe... The doctor shortage is a lie. Korea is a small country, smaller than the state of Washington. A rural area is no rural area in the standards of US peoples. And see the urbanization index of South Korea. There are not enough people for a hospital to operate on in a rural area. Government says we need more pediatricians, but we don't have children born in this country! The birth rate is lower than that of Ukraine.... No doctor shortage period. Do we get pay sufficient? What, 6th high paying country in the World? IF you believe that, just explain how that is possible in a country where the medical costs are one of the lowest in the World! HA? Magic? We don't pay sufficiently. The coronary angioplasty is only 1500 dollars in South Korea, which is worth of maybe a barium upper GI in US?
Kenya also going through the same 😂😂😂😢 why doctors i feel like interns go through alot
Maybe have part of the training occur in a rural area. Do like a 3-6 month rotation there so that there is an increase in labor, people are more educated on the location and setting (and possibly sold on the lifestyle), and more consistent coverage of healthcare providers (a licensed doctor in the area)
I hate older doctors talking about our work hour restrictions. I pre-log my hours just so I don't get called in to my PD to explain a violation. I know very few people who genuinely never go over (unless they always put off work in the last 2 hours of a call). I have no idea how much i actually work, but its not 80. According to my log its ALWAYS 78......
how is this different from advance practice nurses requiring to work under a doctor?
in US hospital settings, trained, registered, advance practice have paid for, acquired the skills and successfully demonstrated them to be able to work.
Physicians are more supervising advance practitioners than doing the skills themselves.
So, they get a fee for supervising even if they have not actually done this skill under supervision for a period of time.
The concept that medical care is a career for making a living is as old as the career and from the time of the first universities in Europe existed, there has been endless efforts to prevent competition for this lucrative income stream , "Witches, Midwives and Nurses" by B.Erhenreich addressed this topic.
If, as with nursing, physicians needed to demonstrate skills in a manner similar to ACLS/PALS skills test to practice, how they got the answers to written questions doesn't matter as call/response practice tests are a valid memorization technique and the proof is in the practicum.
I dont know if you are aware of the fact that, back here in South-East Asia, a resident needs to pay to get into residency training. Talking about Nepal, a resident needs to pay 6 times more than what s/he recieves as a stipend and for teaching hospitals they are both a source of income and a easy low wage labourers.
That’s wild
doctors soo understaffed compared to the increases of patients of each hospitals.....don't know why they are against it....
we wished we had more doctors on the floors in australian hospitals........
I hear the economical dilemia, but in south africa, uk, new zealand its hard to get essential services before its to late. I can only speak 4 south africa were state hospitals get paid a standard overtime, but that itself is being threatned by laws that maybe placed in the future. Unfortunetly i dnt think its fair 4 pts to wait, time is sometimes not on ur side. All i knw is in many 3rd world countries ppl die due to lack of resources. I never wanted to b doctor 4 the money i just think ppl should get wat they work 4 and the hours they put in.
UK’s NHS has the same problem.
I know that things in UK is also going really bad but things in Korea? its brutal.
Korean junior doctors are being paid 5~6 pound / hour with 90~100hr/week workload
And physicians don't have the right to protest or even resign.
@@medgamer3070 Don't stir things up. In Korea, interns earn about 68.82 million won a year, while residents earn about 72.8 million won. The average annual salary for Korean office workers is only about 40 million won. That's almost 1.5 to 2 times more. And residents complain that this salary is low, but in the end, isn't it because they expect a higher salary whether they open their own practice or become employed doctors? Doctors in Korea earn an average of about 300 million won. Moreover, you guys didn't resign, you are taking collective action. Is it natural for over 90% of residents to resign at the same time individually?
and one more thing doctors in korea dont know how good they have in korea compared to us doctors in rest of the world.....
and they get so much pay too.......
Korea's healthcare system cannot function properly in a low-growth society. In my opinion, that's the root cause. Korea is noted for its shockingly low birth rate.
Faint similarities between South Korean strikes and those in the U.K. (non-attending/non-consultant doctors having piss-poor pay and conditions).
50 usd is the salary of resident Dr in Pakistan unfortunately
Take a look at Kenya
In Pakistan duty hours for resident Dr is more than 100 hrs and paying only 50 usd per month. U people should be thankful to your government.
Imagine in the PH
Mid levels are med school rejects
Nurses get more sympathy because they make much less money. Often times I assume the general public would swap place with physicians whereas they probably wouldn't with nurses.
When it comes to the issue of MDs just picking lucrative specialties and nullifying the increase in med students, governments can prevent that by using a system that more or less forces people to pick certain less desireable specialties.
As terrible as that might sound to an american, in France for example the government sets a specific amount of spots for every specialty each year and 6th year students pick based on their rank on a national competitive exam. So the best ranked students get to pick whatever they want, the ones in the middle have more limited choices and the ones at the bottom pretty much just have a few less sexy specialties left (usually psych, family med, public health, clinical pathology etc)
Terrible idea. COMPENSATE all of the specialties FAIRLY and plenty of people will choose those specialties of their own free will. This is a funding structure design choice, nothing more and nothing less.
@@ChadbourneZitek I largely agree with you but I think that won't entirely (partially sure) solve the problem on its own. Let's say you start reimbursing psych visits more, it's likely the people who used to pick ophto will now pick psych and just rush their visits to make bank there instead potentially harming patients.
Korean mentioned a lot of ethics in their expressions of movies and dramas
Surprised that is a lie
That cure humans minds and healthy life healthy mental minds
Agree
In Singapore about 42% doctors are foreigners. if you think you are underpaid, overworked, unfair or whatever - leave. but don't stop government from recruiting others.
Intelligence internet like a smart meeting to solve problems.
In fact doctors and nursing truly not have that National thing when doctors and nurses saving humans from AI all the time and reduce pains. Maybe they can discuss more solutions with the globe council of doctors and nursing same as international trading habits.
We don’t have doctors and nurses in Mars and Moon yet… anyway. 😅
South Korea 🇰🇷 should hire foreign doctors 🥼 🧐🤔🤫 like America 🇺🇸 with foreign nurses from Philippines 🇵🇭
This Channel is obviously to be one sided only! In the end those doctors who are not happy should change to other profession!
Just commenting for the algorithm ❤️🧡
I'm Korean. According to the latest survey, 76% of Korean citizens support the government's stance and view dissenting doctors as privileged individuals aiming to maintain their prestige. This sentiment speaks volumes, especially considering Yoon's administration's general lack of popularity. Moreover, the tragic deaths resulting from the strike have further soured public opinion against the doctors, leaving them with minimal support. People are aware that doctors get paid VERY WELL after completing their residency, so there's little sympathy for their perceived "low" pay during their training period.
American doctors are costly labour bro…
this video is about trainees. resident physicians are quite cheap labor
Cheap labor for a few years, but among the highest paid professionals in the country after their training is complete. Considering people who are essentially still students cheap labor is pretty disingenuous.
@@kyleolson9636 they get paid a lot because they are literally handling life or death. the stress from that responsibility warrants the high pay. trainees aren't student they are fully graduated doctors working for an insane amount of hours to end up getting paid minimum wage. Training for 5 years minimum. 5 years is an insanely long time as well. their pay should be increased and their hours need to be decreased
@@ALEXANDER57370 yikes
@0s0sXD I never said they were students, just that they are essentially students. If the industry considered them full doctors, there would be no need for residency. They are basically interns.
Either the medical industry should get rid of the residency program if they think recent MD graduates are qualified doctors, or we should continue to consider residents to be in their final stage of education.
I am a retired Korean-American physician, came to US when I was in high school and trained here. I had gone to Korea each year as a visiting professor in Seoul National University Hospital for about 20years prior to retirement. I am in total agreement with the majority of Korean population. This strike is been driven by the doctor's greed for $$. Very sad...
I am not sure that you understand South Korea’s medical situation. 😢
Next year you were gonna be a plastic surgeon if you stuck to it, make a video on it.
Great idea!
Well, in training.. What do u expect 😅 All other healthcare professionals, not in training, live off off 60 to 80 K per year.... Do not feel compensated enough for the time, money and hard work put in to obtain those licenses.... So, nurses, dietitians, respiratory therapy, speech language pathology, paramedics deserve the higher pay... but, who am I to have an opinion on such a pressing matter 😅
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Here is the thing... If you are a good doctor you will always attract attention. Plus, if the money is not enough, you can always open your own practice and get em all patients 😊😁🤑🙄🤭
Are they striking out of realization that they are not good enough 🤔😏
That's an oversimplified way of thinking. Like everything, attention is decided by many factors. Your personal brand marketing strategy, customer base (your specialty), customer reach (your region, ad media ...) , your networking, ..etc and of course, "good" practice will play a role. That's business stuff, and not all the best doctors have that.
Also that is naive to think that a regular patient can determine if the treatment of a doctor is "better" or "worse" than the others, especially with disease which has natural fading course (on medications) longer than 2 or 3 days. They may go to doctor A, got the "good" prescription, then still not feel better and go to doctor B, which gives a no "good", but no "harm" prescription, and the disease magically went away, just due to the lasting effect of doctor A's medications, and natural course of disease. In short, such "good" or "bad" is determined and/or recognized correctly ONLY by Health Association, not by patients who have really skewed notion about what helps them
@@dangduc6282 I meant if the patient likes you as a human being and your bedside manner. Not all have that ☺️
Having a medical license is a privilege not a right. Like all licenses, they can be revoked by the government.
This is simply wrong and spreading the false rhetoric by the Korean docs.
Korean doctors receive the highest salary among OECD countries when adjusted for GDP. They are very well compensated. In rural areas, you can see job postings for pediatricians with upwards of what’s equivalent to $300,000 USD per year, despite the fact that South Korea’s GDP per capita is only half that of the United States.
In SK, physicians without postgraduate training (i.e. residency) can still practice medicine. This is wildly different from that of the US, where at least 1 year of PGY training is legally required in most states and practically 3 years to make yourself employable. That's why Korean doctors choose to not go into those so-called "vital" specialties like IM, FM, peds, etc. because they can practice as GP without PGY training and get paid just as well, not because they are not fairly compensated.
South Korea is a country that has not added any new spots in medical schools for the past 27 years. In fact, the last time they made changes to the number of available seats, it was REDUCED. Meanwhile, during the same period, the number of medical school spots in the United States doubled. It’s quite intriguing, isn’t it? The reason behind their protests is indeed greed.
Probably 90% of them became doctors because their ommas and appas pushed them to become one. It’s all about titles here. Oh and go to S.K.Y. Universities. SMH. Younger generation won’t care about the titles and Korea will be in deep irreversible damage.
Pretty sure you got that idea from K-dramas, but K-dramas aren’t how the real korea. It’s true that some Korean parents push their children to go to medical school, but it’s a tiny proportion of the whole population. You might have got that idea from sky castle or other k-dramas but I know as a fact that none of those dramas portray the reality of Korea.
@@seankim6525 Currently living here. 2 years now. I’m a teacher, so I have an understanding regarding this topic.