I worked at Palm from 2003 to 2009, and just an FYI (sending this in as friendly a way as possible) - the Treo is pronounced Tree-oh, not Tray-oh. Lots of people mispronounced it, so - all good. But yes it is TREE-oh. :)
Great video! In my opinion, I think Palm should have stuck with what they were doing and not made phones. I bet there would be a lot of people who would prefer to have an unconnected device to manage their information these days to keep them from doom scrolling.
Its 2023 and I still use a Treo 650 as my main phone and PDA which runs my life, and my Galaxy note is only for Flight Radar and playing games. No Android or Iphone has come close to the integration between the Palm and the Palm Desktop. Also great to have a smartphone where the battery lasts 3-5 days and I can just swap for a charged one if I've let the main one go flat!! As a productivity tool it still has so many advantages over the supposed "bells and whilstles" of modern junk smartphones that its not funny. I personally think that the main downfall of Palm was when they deserted their great Palm OS and went to c...p Windows CE (the reason that I use Palm Treo 650's rather than later models)
At the time many preferred the palm pre's user interface over iPhone, in fact the palm pre was way ahead of iPhone with gestures and multitasking. Features that the iPhone would not adopt until many many years later. Also launching a brand new flagship phone (which the palm pre was at it was the first device with webOS) with a singular carrier was normal, the iPhone did it as well when it first came out. I understand your point that sprint was not the biggest carrier but launching on a large carrier prior to being able to work out quirks of a new device could also be disasterous. Also iPhone originally launched without an App Store. Ultimately elevated partners were successful relaunching the palm brand and were able to sell palm to HP for a massive profit. Unfortunately, a new CEO was hired at HP a [Apotheker] who had a different vision for HP and shut down Palms resurgence. That CEO was quickly replaced but unfortunately the damage had already been done. For consumers ultimately many of the gestures and UI elements introduced by the palm pre made their way into android and iOS and are enjoyed by consumers today.
I love Palm phone design (the small android one), though I never have one because it was Verizon (USA) exclusive as far as I remember. Some people are want to buy small device, the market is available but not as much as "regular" size device. This is why "mini" size smartphone are rare this day. So making it an exclusive to a single carrier is a mistake too. It's a shame, I miss small device form factor. I can use it single hand, it can fit in my pocket without taking so much space even if it's thick. I still have Palm T|X btw, but it has bloated battery and the battery pressing the screen and causing malfunction to the touchscreen and it's pretty much unusable now.
I was a long-time user of Palm PDAs. In addition to the factors you mentioned, there were two other factors that also hurt Palm: - Having to abandon Graffiti due to a lawsuit from Xerox. This forced them to go to Graffiti 2 and users had to learn to use a new way of writing on their Palm PDAs. It was like changing the keyboard from QWERTY. I was very good at writing using Graffiti to the point that I could write without having to look at the screen and only occasionally made a mistake. I could not adjust to Graffiti 2 it led me to drop my Palm PDA. - The change over to the Dragonball 4 Processor. This made most of the old applications not usable with the new Palm PDAs, including many of applications that were important such as Quickbase (an outstanding database program).
I preferred Graffiti (1). Especially since there was a stroke for moving the cursor back or forward one space. Graffiti 2 did have an easy way to capitalize letters though.
I use mine for game notes I do think devices like these can still be useful. Cause yeah our phones do a lot ..but it does a lot Like Nonfication Subscription Ads Loading times Crashes Battery dies (I mean by the full battery. Where its not charging anymore) Just Simple is good
I forgot about the GESTURES - and they were easy to get using too - and good golly they worked well. I think I still remember K .. a right facing loop.
Palm had a big problem at the time. Phones were becoming more smarter, and to get into the phone market they had to compete with Blackberry as the de facto business smartphone provider.
I had palm, Sony clie. What solidly iPhone was a unlimited data at a time when you had to pay for each set amount of usage and b screen was gorgeous. It made me instantly drop palm. Even looking at palm now is nostalgia but nothing survived the iPhone with it looks and capability. A phone without scribble nor keyboard
I worked at Palm from 2003 to 2009, and just an FYI (sending this in as friendly a way as possible) - the Treo is pronounced Tree-oh, not Tray-oh. Lots of people mispronounced it, so - all good. But yes it is TREE-oh. :)
And Nokia is "Nòkia", not "Nokìa"
This video is not about pronunciation, it is about the history of Palm Pilot.
@@raulcervantes3595 And historically it's pronounced Tree-oh.
Great video. I used my palm pilot for so long in the hospital and helped me a lot with my patients.
I owned a palm pre. It was the last popular phone with a real keyboard. I miss those days.
Great video! In my opinion, I think Palm should have stuck with what they were doing and not made phones. I bet there would be a lot of people who would prefer to have an unconnected device to manage their information these days to keep them from doom scrolling.
Its 2023 and I still use a Treo 650 as my main phone and PDA which runs my life, and my Galaxy note is only for Flight Radar and playing games. No Android or Iphone has come close to the integration between the Palm and the Palm Desktop. Also great to have a smartphone where the battery lasts 3-5 days and I can just swap for a charged one if I've let the main one go flat!! As a productivity tool it still has so many advantages over the supposed "bells and whilstles" of modern junk smartphones that its not funny. I personally think that the main downfall of Palm was when they deserted their great Palm OS and went to c...p Windows CE (the reason that I use Palm Treo 650's rather than later models)
Palm Tungsten T3 here!
could you do a video on the rise and fall of nokia? this was a great and detailed video and i have a big collection of old nokia phones mostly
dude, your videos are wonderful. You really helped me on my college assignment. ty
Thank you! Please feel free to tell your friends about me! I’m trying to make the best educational videos I can!
At the time many preferred the palm pre's user interface over iPhone, in fact the palm pre was way ahead of iPhone with gestures and multitasking. Features that the iPhone would not adopt until many many years later. Also launching a brand new flagship phone (which the palm pre was at it was the first device with webOS) with a singular carrier was normal, the iPhone did it as well when it first came out. I understand your point that sprint was not the biggest carrier but launching on a large carrier prior to being able to work out quirks of a new device could also be disasterous. Also iPhone originally launched without an App Store. Ultimately elevated partners were successful relaunching the palm brand and were able to sell palm to HP for a massive profit. Unfortunately, a new CEO was hired at HP a [Apotheker] who had a different vision for HP and shut down Palms resurgence. That CEO was quickly replaced but unfortunately the damage had already been done. For consumers ultimately many of the gestures and UI elements introduced by the palm pre made their way into android and iOS and are enjoyed by consumers today.
Great analysis, I love the way you looked at it
I love Palm phone design (the small android one), though I never have one because it was Verizon (USA) exclusive as far as I remember. Some people are want to buy small device, the market is available but not as much as "regular" size device. This is why "mini" size smartphone are rare this day. So making it an exclusive to a single carrier is a mistake too. It's a shame, I miss small device form factor. I can use it single hand, it can fit in my pocket without taking so much space even if it's thick. I still have Palm T|X btw, but it has bloated battery and the battery pressing the screen and causing malfunction to the touchscreen and it's pretty much unusable now.
I was a long-time user of Palm PDAs. In addition to the factors you mentioned, there were two other factors that also hurt Palm:
- Having to abandon Graffiti due to a lawsuit from Xerox. This forced them to go to Graffiti 2 and users had to learn to use a new way of writing on their Palm PDAs. It was like changing the keyboard from QWERTY. I was very good at writing using Graffiti to the point that I could write without having to look at the screen and only occasionally made a mistake. I could not adjust to Graffiti 2 it led me to drop my Palm PDA.
- The change over to the Dragonball 4 Processor. This made most of the old applications not usable with the new Palm PDAs, including many of applications that were important such as Quickbase (an outstanding database program).
I preferred Graffiti (1). Especially since there was a stroke for moving the cursor back or forward one space. Graffiti 2 did have an easy way to capitalize letters though.
3/10/1997 The PalmPilot, as developed by Jeffrey Hawkins, is released
I use mine for game notes
I do think devices like these can still be useful. Cause yeah our phones do a lot ..but it does a lot
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Loading times
Crashes
Battery dies (I mean by the full battery. Where its not charging anymore)
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I forgot about the GESTURES - and they were easy to get using too - and good golly they worked well. I think I still remember K .. a right facing loop.
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I appreciate the compliment man!
Palm had a big problem at the time. Phones were becoming more smarter, and to get into the phone market they had to compete with Blackberry as the de facto business smartphone provider.
That palm commercial was comically bad😂
I had palm, Sony clie. What solidly iPhone was a unlimited data at a time when you had to pay for each set amount of usage and b screen was gorgeous. It made me instantly drop palm. Even looking at palm now is nostalgia but nothing survived the iPhone with it looks and capability. A phone without scribble nor keyboard