The Problem With Black Desert's STALE End Game Gear Progression
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
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Debos should never have had more than a 3 set bonus imo.
Edit: I talked more with some friends and they suggested that the 5set should have been monster DMG if they were hell bent on having one
The sad thing is that it's probably too late to go back.
P:A: We have the best combat system, what if we make them fight as otters with the mobility of a single LEGO piece
😂 hey the otter, papu fight is cute though!
the fact that a mobile game (raid shadow legends) has better build diversity than a MMO is crazy
Path of exile has the best build diversity at end game.
Are MMOs known for build diversity? I feel like meta builds and BiS gear sets have been a genre staple for over a decade lol. The only real diversity is in the mid game before you actually have anything worthwhile, and nothing you're doing requires a serious build anyway.
@@OldManInternet i mean thats true but it doesnt make it good, most mmos have shut down for doing the same crap anyway not exactly a rule for success
@@OldManInternet My first mmo has 3rd class job change. Then you will have to choose skill tree build you want, and on equipment/gear there's element build-wise as well, and stats, as warrior, if you go agi this gives more crit chance, str will give more raw physical damage.
What If I told you that build diversity and gear progression is just shit for a pvp game.
BDOs biggest problem w/ gear is that none of it looks cool or causes you to see it and care about it on a regular basis like you can w/ your mythical horses. Only thing on my character that isn't skinned is my BlackStar weapon. I need more of a reason then number go up to get me out there grinding hours on end for something.
what do u guys mean? i thought the goal was to grind 500+ hrs for 1 pen debo so i can use it in t1 where the ap is capped
You guys have combat in your node wars?
I believe the idea was to grind 500+ hrs and then grief tuvala players in potion spots, but marni/karma changes stopped that so...
Your Arsha server event idea is so good. I’d enhance it by making PvP death auto spawn you at nearest town to make the battles more meaningful.
He actually really cooked on this idea and it sounds so fun. Only way we'll see it is with our eyes closed tho
All I can see with this idea is people crying because they're getting killed in their insane money spot. Just like the rest of arsha grinders
grinding 200H to just HAVE THE POSSIBILITY of improve 1 PA is exhausting
the build diversity was there at the beginning with zereth, grunil and stuff, then everyone had boss gear ._.
Those were good times.
At least boss gear had some diversity still even if it was less than previously... Griffon vs. Giath, Dim Tree vs. Red Nose, Bhegs vs. Leeburs, Urugon vs. Muskans... now it's actually 0 diversity.
@@Andicusit wasn’t even that dim and red nose were the only two that were interchangeable and you were a broke boy if you couldn’t get dim tree. I miss the days of gruil and heve and rocaba debates in server chats. Even the liverto vs Kzarka then it was offin kzarka debate.
i still have my ultimate grunil set .
I haven't played BDO in a few years but when I did, I sunk about 4000 hours into it. Eventually I just couldn't bear the grind anymore. But I still come around and see BDO videos every now and then and I just live vicariously through y'all 😂
I have been considering quitting bdo recently. Just don’t have motivation to grind circles anymore
Same, i'm just logging in everday until Heidel Ball. I'll quit depending on if the upcoming content is good or not.
Did this. Tried leaving many times and always came back but the time i've spent after each return got shorter and shorter until now only spent 2 days in game. The splendor is gone
I haven't logged in for a couple of weeks because just mindlessly and endlessly grinding mobs for gear progression gets boring. Typically a MMO has engaging group dungeons and raids that comes with actual game mechanics to deal with. In BDO it seems to just be what grind spot to devote your life to next to kill mobs in and repeat. Life skilling can add things to do but even that's limited. In previous years I've put thousands of hours into other MMOs but I only made it to 467 hours in BDO before taking a break which is bad.
@@southbeatz8441 Time to get Guru 50 cooking.
i log in for daily rewards and log off right away.
Blue defending PA with every pause is crazy
That is what happens when you dump 7 years into something and reach the peak and then you look back behind you and realize its all falling apart. He does not want to really see it fall apart cause he spent a LOT of time playing something that just cant hold players no more and the devs just cant make something that is worth even playing for at the same time..
This is the wall I recently hit in pve. I am 305/394 and the next upgrades are essentially just Tet Deborekas, meaning 300b+ silver. I don't grind every day and when I do, I can handle maximum 2 hours at a time. And my reward for grinding that ungodly amount of silver? I get to grind just a bit faster or just grind new spots to literally no end. It has no real purpose because I only do pve.
I'd love the rotating idea that be so bad ass pleas make a post on forums so we can upvoate this
I think everyone remembers FakeUNI blowing up all of his stuff and quitting, and getting it all back from a ticket lol
i am soooo glad i was able to claim the hammer within a couple hours of the maintance finishing so i was able to list and sell mine for 37b, that money greatly helped me increase my GS
Should their be class specific accessories or another stone like veils? Like 2ap lower the debo but add stats if suc/awoken
That idea for Arsha event would be soooo good.
You know what would be sick for open world pvp? Certain grind spots have some sort of PvP enabled thing for X amount of time and can drop valuables if you grind there. Only thing is... To be able to access those spots you have to be flagged for pvp. Literally adds open world pvp and keeps people grinding and having fun. (Going off what you mentioned about the desert)
Shadow Arena and Berserk collab!, what a time that was
Brilliant idea on the Arsha event
I am on copium that War of The Roses is coming back after the hit reduction with a big relaunch.... I pushed to 700 gs just to try it :(
Because of your bday vod, i also tried to tap 3 pen manos gear; hunt cook and gather. Got all 3 with 36 taps total. Used all of my free crons, never doing it again.
Im in a situation where i just dont care that much anymore. I logg in, get the daily rewards and logg out. If i wanna do something more, i do it, if not, then not.
I have a 712 GS atm. and i dont know for what i need even higher numbers. I dont do PvP realy much, where most content is caped anyway.
And just to grind a bit faster to get a bit more money to buy things to, again, grind faster, seems like a waste of time for me personal.
I have some things that i stil would like to achieve, even for my Gear. But i dont care anymore if i get it or not.
For new content that they have to localize first, ok, it needs time with all the voices, but i mean they could just patch that in after some time and give us the Korean version with translated subtitles. Its nice they put the effort in it, but if that means we have to wait months for the content that we can watch on Streams/Videos and see everything but cant explore it ourselfes for a long time, is stupid.
Those kids we never understand how escape from prison feels at the first time ....
Just add Cups to the crystal inventory, allow us to enhance them to PEN and increase the variety of effects for each accessory slot(species damage, accuracy, more special attack type, DR, evasion, cast/attack Speed, max black spirit energy, life skill exp/mastery, item drop rate, etc). EZ, end-game build variety is fixed.
You can easily make new cup material drop at new or existing spot or use current material(looking at you Despair) for new crafting recipe.
Removing crystal break and adding crystal enhancing is also another decent option.
okay hear me out, to make players more willing to fight for resources and bring back some of that organic pvp, rotating every week have a few spots 2-3 early game 3-4 mid game and 2 late game
give a 50% drop rate buff and like a special drop like some token you hold and can exchange after the week is over for duo accessories based on your stage of the game and the spot. this would incentivize grinding at contested areas and if they have the spots announced before node wars it can add an extra reason for your guild to own a node but i'm just saying things that'll never happen and make these buffs only on the 1st of a server, like cal 1 kama 1 etc
to limit servers and increase scarcity of spots
i forgot about war of the roses. i though there was an announcment about it somewhere about why it stopped. i had no idead that it simply just disappeared one day. the idea of rotatiing out obsourdly high silver per hour on mediah zones on arsha only without making the zones much harder sounds like soo much fun. someone else in the comments suggested insta resing at the nearest safe zone to make fights even more fun
Maybe i'm coping, but they talked about releasing more items so maybe that will solve the narrow progression path issue.
I dont want to sound all doomer about this, but blue ( just like i used to and friends ) still hype up all the shit PA throws at us like its the new best thing, while we have quite a few years of similar content having been flops rly. My point is, maybe we need to calm down a bit more when PA says that they are going to do something and actually wait for it to happen. At least form where im coming from LOML was a flop kinda, like everything in bdo, it looks cooler than it is. LOML is basically a content island now, "have to do" quest, maybe do some bosses and thats about it, nothing interesting to go back to it, same for Altar of blood and the rift minigame ( both not being in the game no more ). To me LOML's size for being a quest island and mobless is also a disappointment.
The running joke in our discord is: "nest content will be npcless city" or maybe "houseless towns". like Fakeuni said it feels like we can expect less and less.
For AoS/Guild league, if they want to have cooldown periods, that's fine - give them unranked mode during cooldown periods. Then people can go in and screw around with weird builds and what not while the cooldown period is going on.
Honestly what I want to see is a Awakening only spec in the future.
"Don't tell me weight management and silver having weight was good!"
It was. Great filter, too. Gone now.
40:50 facts and based holy fk never thought someone would say it
They should add jewelry set effects which gives accuracy, evasion, dr, crit dmg, special attack and evasion, special heal ability, frenzy ability when low hp which increases attack speed or dmg by % percent, special ability to make you invincbile for 3 sec. with x mins cd etc
Most game devs release game updates in their home country first not out of spite, but because its easier to process feedback and impliment local updates faster.
28:46 I just realized this is the best formula I have ever heard.
46:54 , The tale of many a Korean F2P mmo from the late 2000s, early 2010s, and BDO is a product of that time period. Literally exact same pattern, might be a KR thing. Right down to the KR-exclusive feedback and region release gaps, riding on some exceptional aspect of their game's core gameplay to keep players coming back until they don't. BDO devs definitely the best by far though...
We need Giant Bosses now, like the colossus u see on the game intro, a raid boss like that would be awesome
in SEA server the hammers listed in market are only less than 200 units, thats a clue how many are playing right now
The comment from the moderator The_Shannon "I want more Elvia tbh"... so wholeheartedly agree there.
I loved the bandit system of the desert and I wish they would of carried it over to ulukita or w/e it's spelled
AcTuAlLy you have to do mediah fauna for bartali's log, so its not only the questline to do there
The days of Valencia release was the most fun
Im so happy my hammer sold yesterday!! Thanks xd
Build diversity exist in BDO.. like you definitely can mix n match and not need to get debos at all
“Damn I just farmed my 280b accessory, gotta do it 3 more times then can compete in pvp ha ha !”
I think Hashbrown Land Val Expansion gonna be lit.
You get all boss gear from the 1st season. Get your pen capotia neck and belt, vell heart, artifacts, crystals and then the process is super straight. You get TRI Godr eye then just go for 5 TRI debos and 1 TET disto/dawn. Then you just upgrade it all step by step. That's kinda it.
Upgrade armours only when you start to take too much damage while grinding.(it's avoidable if you just live in 2nd floor sycraia untill you are 5x tet debos+pen disto and 3x pen BS. Then you can upgrade your armour to duo/tri so you can farm base debos for pen attempts)
43:00 It would actualy be really fresh if they made Mediah spots relevant in similar way as they buffed valencia spots. Its so sad that even when i did countless new alts and the only reason i stayed in Mediah was to do succ and awa questlines and wished i wasnt wasting my time
6:50 his point was that it got removed, not that it was bad content, thats why it was a waste of man power.
I'd say everything stems from the grindy aspect of the game...ofc you can't add 4-5 types of gear and making people choose, because it's not realistic - imagine having to grind 4-5x the amount of PEN blackstars and debos we already have to grind...
That's my opinion ofc, but I feel most of the time I have to sacrifice doing sailies or pvp for grinding, I'd enjoy all these aspects, but time won't allow it. If they added more items to the game without reducing the grind time required to obtain them, then it would be overwhelming for 99.99% of the playerbase (ofc there will always be a few exceptions out there).
Also, if you make the game less grindy, people will play even AoS for NO rewards, just for fun, but people are so desperate for silver that they want to min-max everything and proof of this can even be found in this video when Blue mentions "you lose money/hr just doing guild league"...when a game requires so much of a player's time, they will start to min-max everything and completely ignore any other content than the META, which sadly in bdo atm is grinding.
Isn’t that why they made changes to some accessories like for example the only one that comes to mind right now is the tungrad set and now having extra bonuses so maybe they are working on more variety with accessories in general 🤷🏻♂️
But is also stupid to change stats for gear of the past and bottlenecking everyone who didn't smell the changes coming. The game takes already so much time for progression....
Like I am aiming for 3 debo 3 accuracy accessoires and with ominous and dawns updates it changes which debo I need to go for and which accuracy accessories i have to take.
Console: we want something!
Uninstall or remove your card info from your account and don’t spend a dime till they shutdown the servers. If you really want to play BDO it’s on PC
I am 99% sure the dev and artist team that did Kamasylvia and Oddylita contents are gone. Most subsequent releases kind of look like trash
Cooking once again. Bald_Dragon nice vid once again
55:48 that rise we're seeing is erkulez carrying PA's wallet.
I quit bdo after we had our first nw with the new system. Our alliance went from having 80+ signups every nw to 45 after that night and a week later we disbanded. Our guild apparently has 10 members online at any given time now, of which half are afk. Good job PA
Hey, at least in end game you have all those spots to pick from to grind, its not like only one is "the best one" and everyone grinds there! Right? Right?
when you talked about arsha loot on one spot that rotates I got hard, I miss sausans/pirates/gahaz pvp
we should defo make petition or smthn to push it to devs, make it happen, its win for everyone, they dont need to develop any new spots, it could just be on old spots in helms so its close to central towns, there could also be some rare drops (either debo or maybe hammers wink wink) for lucky AOE when you are doing pvp
PA is like that one young fanfic writer that writes the most outlandish shit but forgets the fundamentals
I built tungrad and have a pen disto and it does fine. I just hated grinding ash. Ill buy a 3 piece debo (so I can go 3 debo 3 tungrad or whatever) when they drop a next level ap set and all you guys dump them. I'm 317 417 and the z buff lets me grind fine. I do capped war onlym, not that war is that fun anymore lol. Granted I am fine with not being at the top of the gear curve, but then again its been ez and I got to keep HOURS of my life.
The Sauson's idea is hilarious.
Calling it now, skill augment accessories are coming.
ive been wondering if maybe you can bring this topic in the next UN podcast and maybe ask the korean players there about the character sliders for female characters.. its just that ive always been anxious about the next female characters that would come up because ever since nova made an appearance all of the female characters body type have been standardized into this skinny ones and we cant make the female characters as thicc as the ranger or the DK anymore, so i was wondering if the korean players in the UN podcast knows anything about this. because if they really did standardized all the new female classes body type from here on then i would stop expecting and would just focus on the old classes and wouldnt be playing the new female classes that would come out anymore. maybe you could ask them if korean players hate thicc female characters thats why they standardized it to skinny one?
i remember why i liked debos at first. they offered a "cheaper" alternative at tet to other pen accessories. they where the first accessories i build from scratch without the market. but it was just one of many options. pen wasnt needed unless you wanted to trade the ap for something else in uncaped pvp (lol). with the earring, that did not really chage. it was the dehkia and ulukita introduction that made pen debos interesting for pve. they forced everything else out.
Bought the game on launch, fought daily in Susan's Kitchen, and since those days me and my boys have just kinda logged on for free stuff and ball hammers.
So I have full pen tungrad besides 2 pen narcs and 2 tet distos plus tet debo neck,belt and earring sooo I’m wondering if I should buy 2 hammers rn or buy 2 tet accuracy accessories???? Plz help
you're only gonna need 1 accuracy accessory to be over 1k and thats with vipers. garmoth updated all the accessory's already if you wanna go mess around with builds
@@Paradigm2k oh yeah I forgot that there changing the accuracy needed. but I’m also on console so I think my best bet is an ominous ring instead of a dawn so I can run Debo earring with a narc. Rn I can get my accuracy to 981.
@@Paradigm2k I really want a pen Debo neck but I don’t wanna lose 60b and have nothing to show for it. I have a 305 stack and failed once already it’s the worst feeling failing on those but I need 2 pen Debo accessories before the hammers are gone
Wasn’t Kama also released in 2 pieces?
I demand clown fiesta!!!!
nice thank
The Arsha event and pvp on Mediah talk, this was the most based thing i've heard from Blue so far 🤣 I would love that
We want better say it again!
Regarding Global Releases: It needs to be said that while the west did get the DP & Evasion rework. It caused guilds to dismantle, people to quit, and PA to lose revenue. This would not have happened if KR got it first and the changes were polished. If we want to get global releases for drastic overhauls into existing systems, we must be more impactful in our responses and feedback. This is of course reliant upon PA listening to our feedback. So until we can mend that relationship between western audiences and PA, I do not want global releases of system overhauls.
what he means by PA first player second, its they doing whatever they deem more convienient for em and not whats best/fun for players
hey blue, can you tell me something please, im new to the game and i play maegu. now is the point to choose the jetina gear etc... and there is a great debate on take DR or EVA gear, can you please help me with that, i want to grind alot, and also pvp when the gear allows it ^^... so what should i do
There's going to be a large update this week. That's going to change DR and evasion. It is reccomend by a lot players that if you often swap classes. Go DR, if you're not sure. Go DR, you can play evasion classes with DR, but DR classes with evasion feels really bad.
@@GoldenBurgChampion i was going for eva
@@DEMONSPIKE she has a passive for eva
I would check out my gear and progression guide, but it looks like you are going evasion on maegu even in the new system
@@bluesquadronlive ok, thank you :)
Would love to see Dungeons, Raids and a PvP zone to hop in and out just like cyrodill in eso. No stress just Masspvp to hop in and out as you like.
With the debo set bonus bs and dr patch... im about to raw tap my tet debo neck, whether I fail or succeed I'll be quitting until i get discord messages from ppl telling me things changed.
Arsha idea is 10/10. If devs don't implement it they're stupid.
I agree with this sht 100% on top of that they need to do to also improve console which would also improve performance and storage, and free up space is TAKE OUT ALL THE USELESS SHT no one uses, does, or play. For example you waste time, money and memory/performance because you can talk to almost every NPC in the game when they are used for nothing. Same thing with other sht, PA can see what people use, and do. Watch that sht and remove EVERYTHING, items, gear, game modes, NPC's, features. You'll just improve your game, on top of that listen to your players you'll make them happy and people will pay for sht. If a restaurant is shit after going there the first time I'm not coming back. Same with a game. I thought Asians are smart wtf is PA doing, don't even get me started on console.
debo only cups that are crazy
"Translation errors" arent just language models sich as english to Korean but also Windows to Xbox or playstation along with net code. Yes, its hard and takes money and time.
What does that have to do with Korea PC and Global PC getting content at the same time? Console was not part of the discussion.
Thing is, THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. You need AP for everything. You don't get to mess with other options unless you're going for a pvp tank build.
The only exception are narc earrings due to the kama damage.
And the only reason that the UN Podcast reaches the devs ears is because you have at least 1 KR representative. If you didn't have the KR representative, devs wouldn't even know that the UN Podcast exists.
Also, the idea about making 1 spot OP in terms of money/h only on Arsha is amazing. It can either become an event or a permanent implementation and they change the spot once a month. All they have to do is add a special trash loot that drop only on arsha that is more expensive. And maybe remove the normal trash loot or leave it, up to them. Easy work for amazing fun for players.
Why don't they just make it so Kabuas act as a base and the old artifacts become the specialization of stats.
Odi and mountain are the best. Just for the atmosphere, landscape and mob types, not necessarily for the type/mechanics of the grind zone.
Fake Uni is crazy but he is right, lmao.
If they kept shadow arena inside bdo to this day and kept maintaining it and making it better, on god bdo would be literaly THE mmo to play. Having another game inside BDO that was at that time the biggest hype with battle royales.
They should make AOS 1b per hour.
For real! we need Raids and group content!!! More dungeons that aren't puzzles. Give us the classic 5 room dungeons with bosses that require us to work together etc. Give us more reasons to party and play together instead of playing solo at the same time. And more gear options. And the open world PVP idea with the resources is a dope idea!
Havent played for over a year and I log in today and I can get pen bs and tet bs afk grinding for the win 😂😂
52:30 KR in a nutshell. Not only this game.
They should just copy some pve-sytems from GW2 , like the "Fractal"-Dungeons , world events and maybe even the PVP-battleground system with good rewards as an entrance point for PVP
or maybe just copy wow dungeons and raids but that would be harder since we dont have a trinity-system.
Lol just get to like 620 gs and do capped content, grind very ocassionally and have fun. When there wasnt capped content it was a nightmare, now its great
As a newish player I get that most of the game revolves around grinding, but why does that have to be the case? Why can't there be different pve activies just in general (not even including raids.) Another thing for me is that in other games a large part of the fun is getting cool new weapons and armor. For instance in Dark Souls 3 ( I know they aren't the same genre) When I got to a particularly tough boss, one of my first thoughts was always "I wonder if I can use that Spear." That's non existent in this game which feels odd.
I actually enjoy the game because the progression is significantly noticiable and feels great (its rewarding). Now I dont grind all the time, I be doing what a sand box MMO do. I would lifeskill, grind, or simply log in for daily rewards then log off. Sometimes pvp, I make almost 1b per day. But I have to agree, their bottle neck is horrible. The thing I hate most is the Ators flame and kabua artifact.... the fact its not accesible to all people but only the top 1% of player is horrible. Because now as a lower GS wanting the new BIS , you got to wait to be spoon fed by the 1%. And the 1% of player that can grind the spot benefits the mosy everytime new weapon or grind comes out. Its so bad honestly. So once youre up in the 1% .... youre basically ahead of the curve on about every content they release.
they release the hammet at april fool
easy fix
they can say " april's fool" its not expiering at november 😁
Thats how the world works people who can't speak their language become helpless while people who can speak clearly can get the help they need.
How's this different from 5 years ago when the grind was boss armor and black star and dande awk weapons?
I would personally prefer more diversity in game play mechanics.
PA once announced Airships as a thing. Where are those?
They talked about expanding the region east of Valencia. Where is that?
It is a bit frustrating that the map shows an entire new area right above the Valencia desert, but then we get an entire new continent on the other side of the ocean first
This biggest issue is that the grind for a lot of things isn’t even fun. I am currently trying to get the infinite pots and having to go grind at narverne steppe and in the middle of the grind stop and skin ever single bird I kill makes it super unfun to the point where I am just grinding better spots for money to then just buy the potion outright
new world is coming to consoles do you think it's going to effect Black Desert console?
Nobody on console has waited multiple years salivating for the next gen port just to go to... New World...
fk no