Debos should never have had more than a 3 set bonus imo. Edit: I talked more with some friends and they suggested that the 5set should have been monster DMG if they were hell bent on having one
BDOs biggest problem w/ gear is that none of it looks cool or causes you to see it and care about it on a regular basis like you can w/ your mythical horses. Only thing on my character that isn't skinned is my BlackStar weapon. I need more of a reason then number go up to get me out there grinding hours on end for something.
Are MMOs known for build diversity? I feel like meta builds and BiS gear sets have been a genre staple for over a decade lol. The only real diversity is in the mid game before you actually have anything worthwhile, and nothing you're doing requires a serious build anyway.
@@OldManInternet My first mmo has 3rd class job change. Then you will have to choose skill tree build you want, and on equipment/gear there's element build-wise as well, and stats, as warrior, if you go agi this gives more crit chance, str will give more raw physical damage.
Im in a situation where i just dont care that much anymore. I logg in, get the daily rewards and logg out. If i wanna do something more, i do it, if not, then not. I have a 712 GS atm. and i dont know for what i need even higher numbers. I dont do PvP realy much, where most content is caped anyway. And just to grind a bit faster to get a bit more money to buy things to, again, grind faster, seems like a waste of time for me personal. I have some things that i stil would like to achieve, even for my Gear. But i dont care anymore if i get it or not. For new content that they have to localize first, ok, it needs time with all the voices, but i mean they could just patch that in after some time and give us the Korean version with translated subtitles. Its nice they put the effort in it, but if that means we have to wait months for the content that we can watch on Streams/Videos and see everything but cant explore it ourselfes for a long time, is stupid.
i am soooo glad i was able to claim the hammer within a couple hours of the maintance finishing so i was able to list and sell mine for 37b, that money greatly helped me increase my GS
This is the wall I recently hit in pve. I am 305/394 and the next upgrades are essentially just Tet Deborekas, meaning 300b+ silver. I don't grind every day and when I do, I can handle maximum 2 hours at a time. And my reward for grinding that ungodly amount of silver? I get to grind just a bit faster or just grind new spots to literally no end. It has no real purpose because I only do pve.
Did this. Tried leaving many times and always came back but the time i've spent after each return got shorter and shorter until now only spent 2 days in game. The splendor is gone
I haven't logged in for a couple of weeks because just mindlessly and endlessly grinding mobs for gear progression gets boring. Typically a MMO has engaging group dungeons and raids that comes with actual game mechanics to deal with. In BDO it seems to just be what grind spot to devote your life to next to kill mobs in and repeat. Life skilling can add things to do but even that's limited. In previous years I've put thousands of hours into other MMOs but I only made it to 467 hours in BDO before taking a break which is bad.
I haven't played BDO in a few years but when I did, I sunk about 4000 hours into it. Eventually I just couldn't bear the grind anymore. But I still come around and see BDO videos every now and then and I just live vicariously through y'all 😂
I'd say everything stems from the grindy aspect of the game...ofc you can't add 4-5 types of gear and making people choose, because it's not realistic - imagine having to grind 4-5x the amount of PEN blackstars and debos we already have to grind... That's my opinion ofc, but I feel most of the time I have to sacrifice doing sailies or pvp for grinding, I'd enjoy all these aspects, but time won't allow it. If they added more items to the game without reducing the grind time required to obtain them, then it would be overwhelming for 99.99% of the playerbase (ofc there will always be a few exceptions out there). Also, if you make the game less grindy, people will play even AoS for NO rewards, just for fun, but people are so desperate for silver that they want to min-max everything and proof of this can even be found in this video when Blue mentions "you lose money/hr just doing guild league"...when a game requires so much of a player's time, they will start to min-max everything and completely ignore any other content than the META, which sadly in bdo atm is grinding.
46:54 , The tale of many a Korean F2P mmo from the late 2000s, early 2010s, and BDO is a product of that time period. Literally exact same pattern, might be a KR thing. Right down to the KR-exclusive feedback and region release gaps, riding on some exceptional aspect of their game's core gameplay to keep players coming back until they don't. BDO devs definitely the best by far though...
I dont want to sound all doomer about this, but blue ( just like i used to and friends ) still hype up all the shit PA throws at us like its the new best thing, while we have quite a few years of similar content having been flops rly. My point is, maybe we need to calm down a bit more when PA says that they are going to do something and actually wait for it to happen. At least form where im coming from LOML was a flop kinda, like everything in bdo, it looks cooler than it is. LOML is basically a content island now, "have to do" quest, maybe do some bosses and thats about it, nothing interesting to go back to it, same for Altar of blood and the rift minigame ( both not being in the game no more ). To me LOML's size for being a quest island and mobless is also a disappointment. The running joke in our discord is: "nest content will be npcless city" or maybe "houseless towns". like Fakeuni said it feels like we can expect less and less.
For AoS/Guild league, if they want to have cooldown periods, that's fine - give them unranked mode during cooldown periods. Then people can go in and screw around with weird builds and what not while the cooldown period is going on.
That is what happens when you dump 7 years into something and reach the peak and then you look back behind you and realize its all falling apart. He does not want to really see it fall apart cause he spent a LOT of time playing something that just cant hold players no more and the devs just cant make something that is worth even playing for at the same time..
Most game devs release game updates in their home country first not out of spite, but because its easier to process feedback and impliment local updates faster.
i forgot about war of the roses. i though there was an announcment about it somewhere about why it stopped. i had no idead that it simply just disappeared one day. the idea of rotatiing out obsourdly high silver per hour on mediah zones on arsha only without making the zones much harder sounds like soo much fun. someone else in the comments suggested insta resing at the nearest safe zone to make fights even more fun
43:00 It would actualy be really fresh if they made Mediah spots relevant in similar way as they buffed valencia spots. Its so sad that even when i did countless new alts and the only reason i stayed in Mediah was to do succ and awa questlines and wished i wasnt wasting my time
At least boss gear had some diversity still even if it was less than previously... Griffon vs. Giath, Dim Tree vs. Red Nose, Bhegs vs. Leeburs, Urugon vs. Muskans... now it's actually 0 diversity.
@@Andicusit wasn’t even that dim and red nose were the only two that were interchangeable and you were a broke boy if you couldn’t get dim tree. I miss the days of gruil and heve and rocaba debates in server chats. Even the liverto vs Kzarka then it was offin kzarka debate.
You get all boss gear from the 1st season. Get your pen capotia neck and belt, vell heart, artifacts, crystals and then the process is super straight. You get TRI Godr eye then just go for 5 TRI debos and 1 TET disto/dawn. Then you just upgrade it all step by step. That's kinda it.
Upgrade armours only when you start to take too much damage while grinding.(it's avoidable if you just live in 2nd floor sycraia untill you are 5x tet debos+pen disto and 3x pen BS. Then you can upgrade your armour to duo/tri so you can farm base debos for pen attempts)
Regarding Global Releases: It needs to be said that while the west did get the DP & Evasion rework. It caused guilds to dismantle, people to quit, and PA to lose revenue. This would not have happened if KR got it first and the changes were polished. If we want to get global releases for drastic overhauls into existing systems, we must be more impactful in our responses and feedback. This is of course reliant upon PA listening to our feedback. So until we can mend that relationship between western audiences and PA, I do not want global releases of system overhauls.
I quit bdo after we had our first nw with the new system. Our alliance went from having 80+ signups every nw to 45 after that night and a week later we disbanded. Our guild apparently has 10 members online at any given time now, of which half are afk. Good job PA
They should add jewelry set effects which gives accuracy, evasion, dr, crit dmg, special attack and evasion, special heal ability, frenzy ability when low hp which increases attack speed or dmg by % percent, special ability to make you invincbile for 3 sec. with x mins cd etc
And the only reason that the UN Podcast reaches the devs ears is because you have at least 1 KR representative. If you didn't have the KR representative, devs wouldn't even know that the UN Podcast exists. Also, the idea about making 1 spot OP in terms of money/h only on Arsha is amazing. It can either become an event or a permanent implementation and they change the spot once a month. All they have to do is add a special trash loot that drop only on arsha that is more expensive. And maybe remove the normal trash loot or leave it, up to them. Easy work for amazing fun for players.
I built tungrad and have a pen disto and it does fine. I just hated grinding ash. Ill buy a 3 piece debo (so I can go 3 debo 3 tungrad or whatever) when they drop a next level ap set and all you guys dump them. I'm 317 417 and the z buff lets me grind fine. I do capped war onlym, not that war is that fun anymore lol. Granted I am fine with not being at the top of the gear curve, but then again its been ez and I got to keep HOURS of my life. The Sauson's idea is hilarious.
i remember why i liked debos at first. they offered a "cheaper" alternative at tet to other pen accessories. they where the first accessories i build from scratch without the market. but it was just one of many options. pen wasnt needed unless you wanted to trade the ap for something else in uncaped pvp (lol). with the earring, that did not really chage. it was the dehkia and ulukita introduction that made pen debos interesting for pve. they forced everything else out.
okay hear me out, to make players more willing to fight for resources and bring back some of that organic pvp, rotating every week have a few spots 2-3 early game 3-4 mid game and 2 late game give a 50% drop rate buff and like a special drop like some token you hold and can exchange after the week is over for duo accessories based on your stage of the game and the spot. this would incentivize grinding at contested areas and if they have the spots announced before node wars it can add an extra reason for your guild to own a node but i'm just saying things that'll never happen and make these buffs only on the 1st of a server, like cal 1 kama 1 etc to limit servers and increase scarcity of spots
ive been wondering if maybe you can bring this topic in the next UN podcast and maybe ask the korean players there about the character sliders for female characters.. its just that ive always been anxious about the next female characters that would come up because ever since nova made an appearance all of the female characters body type have been standardized into this skinny ones and we cant make the female characters as thicc as the ranger or the DK anymore, so i was wondering if the korean players in the UN podcast knows anything about this. because if they really did standardized all the new female classes body type from here on then i would stop expecting and would just focus on the old classes and wouldnt be playing the new female classes that would come out anymore. maybe you could ask them if korean players hate thicc female characters thats why they standardized it to skinny one?
I thought of a good idea while watching this. Buff the old armor sets to be better than the fallen god. Buff them so much and the req. To get them ready to be useable as difficult as making harmony elixirs. Like, plywood, solvent colored crystals heated, even gems. Bonus stats could be +100 kama damage for one set. +35 human for another. 3 set effect only. Giving each old set one armor piece to shine. Helm evasion, gloves accuracy, boots dr, chest dp. Players can choose what set to use and sub in any piece for another set they choose or use fallen god. Buff fallen god if you only have 1 piece equipped. Make lemoria have high eva an acc comparatively but five it special atk, back, crit % bonus. I think reimagining the old sets and making them equivalent to tri fallen god in terms of stats and requires items like kutum fragment a rare drop thats untradble. Qutaruam leaves. Elkarrs crystal. Compass parts. Flame parts. To name a few.
Or maybe. They could just make night time gear and night time actually matter maybe?! Just maybe that notification will matter one day? Sure the threat is increased a little but.. giving your armor pieces a menu that can adapt to night and gives advantages or even more disadvantages to you at night. Buff night time damage taken and actual drop increase on sought after items. Encourages spots to be full and also marni not allowed at night time. I'd come back.
Thing is, THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. You need AP for everything. You don't get to mess with other options unless you're going for a pvp tank build. The only exception are narc earrings due to the kama damage.
when you talked about arsha loot on one spot that rotates I got hard, I miss sausans/pirates/gahaz pvp we should defo make petition or smthn to push it to devs, make it happen, its win for everyone, they dont need to develop any new spots, it could just be on old spots in helms so its close to central towns, there could also be some rare drops (either debo or maybe hammers wink wink) for lucky AOE when you are doing pvp
For real! we need Raids and group content!!! More dungeons that aren't puzzles. Give us the classic 5 room dungeons with bosses that require us to work together etc. Give us more reasons to party and play together instead of playing solo at the same time. And more gear options. And the open world PVP idea with the resources is a dope idea!
Well there's no point in gearing up anyways. There's no good PVP anymore. What am I grinding in circles for? To grind in circles FASTER? Node wars are awful now, Open world PVP is dead and they intentionally killed it, Red karma is now viewed as irl mass murder, so what's the point anymore? The amazing combat system is amazing because of the fluid live action PVP and now there's no reason for it. Once you hit the 730-750 mark you sit down at your desk one day and just say "What is all this ever for?"
Bought the game on launch, fought daily in Susan's Kitchen, and since those days me and my boys have just kinda logged on for free stuff and ball hammers.
If they kept shadow arena inside bdo to this day and kept maintaining it and making it better, on god bdo would be literaly THE mmo to play. Having another game inside BDO that was at that time the biggest hype with battle royales.
Because of your bday vod, i also tried to tap 3 pen manos gear; hunt cook and gather. Got all 3 with 36 taps total. Used all of my free crons, never doing it again.
"Translation errors" arent just language models sich as english to Korean but also Windows to Xbox or playstation along with net code. Yes, its hard and takes money and time.
PA doesn't care, they just want you to buy their cash vouchers. They control the market, so they control the lifeskill meta. If they wanted an actual organic market and actual lifeskill balance they would simply have to remove the price cap and leave a minimum bracket just to prevent some rmt. They control the events, so they control the gear levels. Everyone gets a tet blackstar, everyone gets 20 bil item just because they exist... Currently, the only remaining area of the game where it feels like PA isn't just selling the best available option outright in a cash shop pack is sailing. Can't buy manos sailing log, can't buy carrack mats, can't really buy blue gear (though they DID put seacoins in the tens of thousands in that patrigio event, but that's like a single Toro piece so basically next to nothing.) Everything else is up for grabs at one point or another in cash shop, so long as you spend thousands of dollars to either outright buy it or gain silver from selling premium items on market and buy from market. BDO progression is designed to either work for a masochistic grind addicts with no remorse for their wrists or whales that will opt to just buy their progress with a weeks wages to prevent month of grind.
Isn’t that why they made changes to some accessories like for example the only one that comes to mind right now is the tungrad set and now having extra bonuses so maybe they are working on more variety with accessories in general 🤷🏻♂️
But is also stupid to change stats for gear of the past and bottlenecking everyone who didn't smell the changes coming. The game takes already so much time for progression.... Like I am aiming for 3 debo 3 accuracy accessoires and with ominous and dawns updates it changes which debo I need to go for and which accuracy accessories i have to take.
The thing I'm confused with is.. why they can't just keep the diversity with these new endgame items. Like with the artifacts... They could've made several endgame artifacts that specialzied in different things, and maybe keep kabua's as it is for an all around general purpose endgame artifact. The could've had other artifacts that focused on DR, or AP, monster damage, or what have you. Just take the current artifacts and upgrade those even... like.. it's so lazy to do this "one size fits all" thing like they did with Kabua's... it's not like it'd even take a lot of work, they don't have separate icons for different normal artifacts (other than lifeskilling), so just use Kabua's icon for the multiple endgame artifacts and change the name/stats. It'd be a little more work with the deboreka accessories, and armors.. but I feel like they could have done something not too complicated whilst keeping the diversity. It's just lazy, a company of their size should be able to have a team work on those item creations for ONE week, maybe two, to create the icons, names, stats, the material (flame or whatever) to make it, and where it'd drop. There's no way they're struggling to make content because they don't have enough devs to work on it, right? It really makes it seem like they're either just lazy or don't care about BDO anymore and are focusing on other things. I want to add that they even ruined early game diversity with Tuvala... you go Tuvala into Boss armor into Slumbering Origin armor, that's it. And then accessories are basically Capotia, Distos and Jetina (maybe Tungrads now) -> Deboreka. That's it. Maybe you'll get Narcs. They streamlined the process too much and got rid of diversity. It seems like they're trying to get a little more diversity with the Tungrads, which are a step in the right direction IMO. But that isn't enough by itself.
I agree with this sht 100% on top of that they need to do to also improve console which would also improve performance and storage, and free up space is TAKE OUT ALL THE USELESS SHT no one uses, does, or play. For example you waste time, money and memory/performance because you can talk to almost every NPC in the game when they are used for nothing. Same thing with other sht, PA can see what people use, and do. Watch that sht and remove EVERYTHING, items, gear, game modes, NPC's, features. You'll just improve your game, on top of that listen to your players you'll make them happy and people will pay for sht. If a restaurant is shit after going there the first time I'm not coming back. Same with a game. I thought Asians are smart wtf is PA doing, don't even get me started on console.
As a newish player I get that most of the game revolves around grinding, but why does that have to be the case? Why can't there be different pve activies just in general (not even including raids.) Another thing for me is that in other games a large part of the fun is getting cool new weapons and armor. For instance in Dark Souls 3 ( I know they aren't the same genre) When I got to a particularly tough boss, one of my first thoughts was always "I wonder if I can use that Spear." That's non existent in this game which feels odd.
28:40 I startes a few months ago and without a guide the earlygame is not understanable. Thats why u see these messed up builds in ur gearadvice show. And if u follow a guide there is no more real build diversity, at least thats how it appears to me. There are best choices and it makes no sense to play around with em.
They should just copy some pve-sytems from GW2 , like the "Fractal"-Dungeons , world events and maybe even the PVP-battleground system with good rewards as an entrance point for PVP or maybe just copy wow dungeons and raids but that would be harder since we dont have a trinity-system.
You know what would be sick for open world pvp? Certain grind spots have some sort of PvP enabled thing for X amount of time and can drop valuables if you grind there. Only thing is... To be able to access those spots you have to be flagged for pvp. Literally adds open world pvp and keeps people grinding and having fun. (Going off what you mentioned about the desert)
Majority of people do not want to interact with pvp in any way. This is a terrible idea. Would make more sense in an mmo with good pvp and a bigger playerbase of pvp players, or maybe a game that on the box is "pvevp" but is an mmo instead of a battle royale/extraction game like they all are
@@TheCosmicAstro- That is why if you would flag into it. If you don't want to interact with pvp you just wouldnt go there and keep grinding where you were. It at least leaves room for optional pvp. I mean nothing is being done now and with the state of PvP any idea is a good idea at this point.
@wildsidemb6477 the best idea is to entirely rework how pvp functions. The reason no one interacts with it is because it boils down to who can CC chain the other to death or severely outgearing. I had a forced pvp encounter at years ago where this guy was a full evasion build. I couldn't do damage to him and while he could do damage to me. I just CCd him and healed all the damage. The fight lasted like 10 minutes of back and forth... The game is NOT designed for pvp. They'd have to rework how pvp functions for it to be fun and interactive/have people want to interact with it
I actually enjoy the game because the progression is significantly noticiable and feels great (its rewarding). Now I dont grind all the time, I be doing what a sand box MMO do. I would lifeskill, grind, or simply log in for daily rewards then log off. Sometimes pvp, I make almost 1b per day. But I have to agree, their bottle neck is horrible. The thing I hate most is the Ators flame and kabua artifact.... the fact its not accesible to all people but only the top 1% of player is horrible. Because now as a lower GS wanting the new BIS , you got to wait to be spoon fed by the 1%. And the 1% of player that can grind the spot benefits the mosy everytime new weapon or grind comes out. Its so bad honestly. So once youre up in the 1% .... youre basically ahead of the curve on about every content they release.
real good content, kudos to the both of you guys! if only developers listen to you BDO will get the hold of MMO games!! this game has potential, just do half of the things these two gentlemen said
@@KryeRulez yep you are a victim of careful mental manipulation and dopamine triggering game design by the devs for you to keep playing and spending money on the game.
Other mmorpgs give you sense of progression without infinite grind. Really hard bosses that few can kill, challenging dungeons, mythics in wow, solo deep dungeon challenge in ff14, ranked equalized pvp in gw2, ect.
It feels like such a waste given how amazing the combat system is. I played this game a bit when it released on console and the PvP is what made it the first game I bought when I built my pc. I’ve always seen it as a PvP mmo and I don’t really get what draws players in if not for the PvP
It's always weird to me when people always want to call out the PvP in most games and people not wanting to do them. But let's be honest video has a lot of strength there are PVP is top terror for people who like it, their PVE is very nice if you can find a good location and a kind of fix that with the realms. And then you got life skills which has people farming and doing all types of individual activities it's pretty much catering to all different types of players. And Tiffany honest it's just a few glaring issues that they have that they're kind of addressing slowly so I think one day they might actually eventually even get a word for the game. And that's a lot coming from me because let me tell you they have one of the best character customization editor that I have seen in a long time. If they allow you to change the shape of your body a bit more they would drive people over the moon but that would acquire them changing the armor which I completely understand that one to do. But overall I think they're going in a good direction, I did want them to do something though if they ever add more servers I want them to add to types. One just straight out PVP servers for half of them where you get bonus buffs or even rewards for PVPing other players. I think that was settle a lot of people blood lust that they have naturally and allow them to really battle it out at any time. And on the flip side of that I think they should have straight up PVE servers that are for people who really want to grind in large groups imagine you go to a zone to going grind and Robert can happen to join a party depending on how many people's in that zone is add it to a zone wide buff and you can't kill each other but it increases the drop rate of how many people are fitted into one area. Even if people are in one town and you're constantly doing farming or they're doing something with their workshops just little buffs that's increases The pool of certain items or gathering certain items. I think that would be a really interesting concept to put in and I think it would really rally up the community from everyone from different ends. They can even make the black spirit take on a different form depending on those two servers One would be like a little devil in the oven will be like a little halo over it to you the show that you're in a certain server.
Hey, at least in end game you have all those spots to pick from to grind, its not like only one is "the best one" and everyone grinds there! Right? Right?
PA has always put themselves first. No debating required. The constant release of new classes before they balance all the current ones is all the proof anyone needs. They constantly claim they want balance but it's really just an excuse to nerf classes that are popular to again try to get more people to reroll and spend money again. They want to make sure class effectiveness changes constantly to urge players to swap characters to buy more inventory, weight, horse flutes, and of course costumes. They want us to not want to buy 3mil cron stones they want us to be tempted to buy costumes with real money instead. They just want our money so they constantly inconvenience the player to again tempt them into spending money instead. They have always been greedy and that is not going to change. The game will probably be as good as it can get when it's just about ready to die just to try to squeeze that last little bit of money before they move on to their next project. The absolute best MMO combat ever in this industry and it's wasted and ignored for the pursuit of the almighty dollar.
im new here, not sure if its sarcasm at the part where PA supposely said ulukita spots would be braindead spots. but it is sarcasm right? cus they are a fricking headache blast of mechanics lol
With the debo set bonus bs and dr patch... im about to raw tap my tet debo neck, whether I fail or succeed I'll be quitting until i get discord messages from ppl telling me things changed.
Heck yeah, give us our island back. Noone goes to pirates anyway, make it so good that its worth even if you are only grind for like 20 minutes and have a fiesta for the other 40 and it doesnt feel like you are wasting time. Spawn in some random Events that make you have to swap the rotation. Make Elite grinds worth it, there was a point where it was worth to grind the elites at rogues and iron mines for 25mil an hour.
How's this different from 5 years ago when the grind was boss armor and black star and dande awk weapons? I would personally prefer more diversity in game play mechanics. PA once announced Airships as a thing. Where are those? They talked about expanding the region east of Valencia. Where is that?
It is a bit frustrating that the map shows an entire new area right above the Valencia desert, but then we get an entire new continent on the other side of the ocean first
This biggest issue is that the grind for a lot of things isn’t even fun. I am currently trying to get the infinite pots and having to go grind at narverne steppe and in the middle of the grind stop and skin ever single bird I kill makes it super unfun to the point where I am just grinding better spots for money to then just buy the potion outright
I used to love the fact, as u mentioned, that people would pvp over grind zones due to it being limited or people just having fun as well. Open World PvP used to be a thing to brag about this game, considering the epic combat this game has to offer and all. Now i think they should rename their game to White Desert since they are taking away so much of the "forced pvp" or "war" aspect of the game, making it seem like a pure game. Can no longer declare war on someone coz u will be negative karma within 2 fights if not 1. The change on node wars will eventually make people focus on PvE only. Most of the current changes (DR, EVA, skill hit, etc) seem to only impact PvE and forget PvP aspect, despite many changes that they also applied to the accuracy. They give BIS for artifacts, FOR PVE. Our BIS gear is STILL PVE focused (monster damage reduction, Extra ap vs monsters). So far, correct me if i'm wrong, the only "pvp" gear seems to be DP focused. Heck even old games like Aura Kingdom (2014) used to have different gear for PvP and PvE that u had to grind for and enhance separatedly. And u would put around same time in grinding dungeons as you put in some spots of the game. I think PA could implement so much more to engage people into PvP, despite not having as many players as before, and make it appealing. One sided PvP isn't necessarily bad, as it motivates people to work on their gear. However, making it impossible to engage in pvp due to karma changes, and even the fact of having marni realm for over 1h makes it so that the "open" world feels so dead most of the times. I remember struggling to actually get the infinite potion pieces because people kept dueling for spot, spam kill etc to secure the best spot, nowadays just marni realm and even if u don't do it there's a high chance other players there are doing it. I'm not saying the game will die but it is starting to lose the MMO aspect for me
My thing with this is, it's literally the player's fault. We have a community that's fine playing 500 hours for 1 piece of gear, which btw, has a negligible difference in stats. We deny content that's interesting because these same players want their grind to be simple too. If these people hate the debo grind so much, why do it? I can tell you one thing, definitely not the reason they keep dying in pvp...
The devs seem like they have no idea what they are doing, they are inconsistent with choosing a direction for the game. I'm currently 740gs and the debo grind is indeed very soul sucking.
The MAIN problem is that there is NO diversity in terms of gear. Everybody using the same gear. Its a single gear that goes for evasion or DR. New World did an amazing job by providing diversity in gears that you where not tied to a single gear for progression. What they did wrong was make them useless by providing higher grade too easily and rending the previous gear completely useless and tooooo many different gear.
Just add Cups to the crystal inventory, allow us to enhance them to PEN and increase the variety of effects for each accessory slot(species damage, accuracy, more special attack type, DR, evasion, cast/attack Speed, max black spirit energy, life skill exp/mastery, item drop rate, etc). EZ, end-game build variety is fixed. You can easily make new cup material drop at new or existing spot or use current material(looking at you Despair) for new crafting recipe. Removing crystal break and adding crystal enhancing is also another decent option.
Enhancing cups, good idea Adding them to crystal inventory, bad idea. The whole "destroy your shit randomly on death" idea is braindead, especially with how expensive shit gets in high end setups. They need to get rid of that entirely
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Debos should never have had more than a 3 set bonus imo.
Edit: I talked more with some friends and they suggested that the 5set should have been monster DMG if they were hell bent on having one
The sad thing is that it's probably too late to go back.
BDOs biggest problem w/ gear is that none of it looks cool or causes you to see it and care about it on a regular basis like you can w/ your mythical horses. Only thing on my character that isn't skinned is my BlackStar weapon. I need more of a reason then number go up to get me out there grinding hours on end for something.
P:A: We have the best combat system, what if we make them fight as otters with the mobility of a single LEGO piece
😂 hey the otter, papu fight is cute though!
the fact that a mobile game (raid shadow legends) has better build diversity than a MMO is crazy
Path of exile has the best build diversity at end game.
Are MMOs known for build diversity? I feel like meta builds and BiS gear sets have been a genre staple for over a decade lol. The only real diversity is in the mid game before you actually have anything worthwhile, and nothing you're doing requires a serious build anyway.
@@OldManInternet i mean thats true but it doesnt make it good, most mmos have shut down for doing the same crap anyway not exactly a rule for success
@@OldManInternet My first mmo has 3rd class job change. Then you will have to choose skill tree build you want, and on equipment/gear there's element build-wise as well, and stats, as warrior, if you go agi this gives more crit chance, str will give more raw physical damage.
What If I told you that build diversity and gear progression is just shit for a pvp game.
what do u guys mean? i thought the goal was to grind 500+ hrs for 1 pen debo so i can use it in t1 where the ap is capped
You guys have combat in your node wars?
I believe the idea was to grind 500+ hrs and then grief tuvala players in potion spots, but marni/karma changes stopped that so...
grinding 200H to just HAVE THE POSSIBILITY of improve 1 PA is exhausting
Im in a situation where i just dont care that much anymore. I logg in, get the daily rewards and logg out. If i wanna do something more, i do it, if not, then not.
I have a 712 GS atm. and i dont know for what i need even higher numbers. I dont do PvP realy much, where most content is caped anyway.
And just to grind a bit faster to get a bit more money to buy things to, again, grind faster, seems like a waste of time for me personal.
I have some things that i stil would like to achieve, even for my Gear. But i dont care anymore if i get it or not.
For new content that they have to localize first, ok, it needs time with all the voices, but i mean they could just patch that in after some time and give us the Korean version with translated subtitles. Its nice they put the effort in it, but if that means we have to wait months for the content that we can watch on Streams/Videos and see everything but cant explore it ourselfes for a long time, is stupid.
i am soooo glad i was able to claim the hammer within a couple hours of the maintance finishing so i was able to list and sell mine for 37b, that money greatly helped me increase my GS
This is the wall I recently hit in pve. I am 305/394 and the next upgrades are essentially just Tet Deborekas, meaning 300b+ silver. I don't grind every day and when I do, I can handle maximum 2 hours at a time. And my reward for grinding that ungodly amount of silver? I get to grind just a bit faster or just grind new spots to literally no end. It has no real purpose because I only do pve.
I have been considering quitting bdo recently. Just don’t have motivation to grind circles anymore
Same, i'm just logging in everday until Heidel Ball. I'll quit depending on if the upcoming content is good or not.
Did this. Tried leaving many times and always came back but the time i've spent after each return got shorter and shorter until now only spent 2 days in game. The splendor is gone
I haven't logged in for a couple of weeks because just mindlessly and endlessly grinding mobs for gear progression gets boring. Typically a MMO has engaging group dungeons and raids that comes with actual game mechanics to deal with. In BDO it seems to just be what grind spot to devote your life to next to kill mobs in and repeat. Life skilling can add things to do but even that's limited. In previous years I've put thousands of hours into other MMOs but I only made it to 467 hours in BDO before taking a break which is bad.
@@southbeatz8441 Time to get Guru 50 cooking.
i log in for daily rewards and log off right away.
Your Arsha server event idea is so good. I’d enhance it by making PvP death auto spawn you at nearest town to make the battles more meaningful.
He actually really cooked on this idea and it sounds so fun. Only way we'll see it is with our eyes closed tho
All I can see with this idea is people crying because they're getting killed in their insane money spot. Just like the rest of arsha grinders
I haven't played BDO in a few years but when I did, I sunk about 4000 hours into it. Eventually I just couldn't bear the grind anymore. But I still come around and see BDO videos every now and then and I just live vicariously through y'all 😂
I'd say everything stems from the grindy aspect of the game...ofc you can't add 4-5 types of gear and making people choose, because it's not realistic - imagine having to grind 4-5x the amount of PEN blackstars and debos we already have to grind...
That's my opinion ofc, but I feel most of the time I have to sacrifice doing sailies or pvp for grinding, I'd enjoy all these aspects, but time won't allow it. If they added more items to the game without reducing the grind time required to obtain them, then it would be overwhelming for 99.99% of the playerbase (ofc there will always be a few exceptions out there).
Also, if you make the game less grindy, people will play even AoS for NO rewards, just for fun, but people are so desperate for silver that they want to min-max everything and proof of this can even be found in this video when Blue mentions "you lose money/hr just doing guild league"...when a game requires so much of a player's time, they will start to min-max everything and completely ignore any other content than the META, which sadly in bdo atm is grinding.
46:54 , The tale of many a Korean F2P mmo from the late 2000s, early 2010s, and BDO is a product of that time period. Literally exact same pattern, might be a KR thing. Right down to the KR-exclusive feedback and region release gaps, riding on some exceptional aspect of their game's core gameplay to keep players coming back until they don't. BDO devs definitely the best by far though...
I dont want to sound all doomer about this, but blue ( just like i used to and friends ) still hype up all the shit PA throws at us like its the new best thing, while we have quite a few years of similar content having been flops rly. My point is, maybe we need to calm down a bit more when PA says that they are going to do something and actually wait for it to happen. At least form where im coming from LOML was a flop kinda, like everything in bdo, it looks cooler than it is. LOML is basically a content island now, "have to do" quest, maybe do some bosses and thats about it, nothing interesting to go back to it, same for Altar of blood and the rift minigame ( both not being in the game no more ). To me LOML's size for being a quest island and mobless is also a disappointment.
The running joke in our discord is: "nest content will be npcless city" or maybe "houseless towns". like Fakeuni said it feels like we can expect less and less.
I'd love the rotating idea that be so bad ass pleas make a post on forums so we can upvoate this
For AoS/Guild league, if they want to have cooldown periods, that's fine - give them unranked mode during cooldown periods. Then people can go in and screw around with weird builds and what not while the cooldown period is going on.
Blue defending PA with every pause is crazy
That is what happens when you dump 7 years into something and reach the peak and then you look back behind you and realize its all falling apart. He does not want to really see it fall apart cause he spent a LOT of time playing something that just cant hold players no more and the devs just cant make something that is worth even playing for at the same time..
Most game devs release game updates in their home country first not out of spite, but because its easier to process feedback and impliment local updates faster.
i forgot about war of the roses. i though there was an announcment about it somewhere about why it stopped. i had no idead that it simply just disappeared one day. the idea of rotatiing out obsourdly high silver per hour on mediah zones on arsha only without making the zones much harder sounds like soo much fun. someone else in the comments suggested insta resing at the nearest safe zone to make fights even more fun
55:48 that rise we're seeing is erkulez carrying PA's wallet.
this idea for an event on arsha, with a buffed spot is amazing, already tought about something similar when rambling on discord
43:00 It would actualy be really fresh if they made Mediah spots relevant in similar way as they buffed valencia spots. Its so sad that even when i did countless new alts and the only reason i stayed in Mediah was to do succ and awa questlines and wished i wasnt wasting my time
the build diversity was there at the beginning with zereth, grunil and stuff, then everyone had boss gear ._.
Those were good times.
At least boss gear had some diversity still even if it was less than previously... Griffon vs. Giath, Dim Tree vs. Red Nose, Bhegs vs. Leeburs, Urugon vs. Muskans... now it's actually 0 diversity.
@@Andicusit wasn’t even that dim and red nose were the only two that were interchangeable and you were a broke boy if you couldn’t get dim tree. I miss the days of gruil and heve and rocaba debates in server chats. Even the liverto vs Kzarka then it was offin kzarka debate.
i still have my ultimate grunil set .
6:50 his point was that it got removed, not that it was bad content, thats why it was a waste of man power.
Maybe i'm coping, but they talked about releasing more items so maybe that will solve the narrow progression path issue.
You get all boss gear from the 1st season. Get your pen capotia neck and belt, vell heart, artifacts, crystals and then the process is super straight. You get TRI Godr eye then just go for 5 TRI debos and 1 TET disto/dawn. Then you just upgrade it all step by step. That's kinda it.
Upgrade armours only when you start to take too much damage while grinding.(it's avoidable if you just live in 2nd floor sycraia untill you are 5x tet debos+pen disto and 3x pen BS. Then you can upgrade your armour to duo/tri so you can farm base debos for pen attempts)
Regarding Global Releases: It needs to be said that while the west did get the DP & Evasion rework. It caused guilds to dismantle, people to quit, and PA to lose revenue. This would not have happened if KR got it first and the changes were polished. If we want to get global releases for drastic overhauls into existing systems, we must be more impactful in our responses and feedback. This is of course reliant upon PA listening to our feedback. So until we can mend that relationship between western audiences and PA, I do not want global releases of system overhauls.
Those kids we never understand how escape from prison feels at the first time ....
PA is like that one young fanfic writer that writes the most outlandish shit but forgets the fundamentals
I quit bdo after we had our first nw with the new system. Our alliance went from having 80+ signups every nw to 45 after that night and a week later we disbanded. Our guild apparently has 10 members online at any given time now, of which half are afk. Good job PA
I think everyone remembers FakeUNI blowing up all of his stuff and quitting, and getting it all back from a ticket lol
The comment from the moderator The_Shannon "I want more Elvia tbh"... so wholeheartedly agree there.
That idea for Arsha event would be soooo good.
28:46 I just realized this is the best formula I have ever heard.
Should their be class specific accessories or another stone like veils? Like 2ap lower the debo but add stats if suc/awoken
Shadow Arena and Berserk collab!, what a time that was
They should add jewelry set effects which gives accuracy, evasion, dr, crit dmg, special attack and evasion, special heal ability, frenzy ability when low hp which increases attack speed or dmg by % percent, special ability to make you invincbile for 3 sec. with x mins cd etc
And the only reason that the UN Podcast reaches the devs ears is because you have at least 1 KR representative. If you didn't have the KR representative, devs wouldn't even know that the UN Podcast exists.
Also, the idea about making 1 spot OP in terms of money/h only on Arsha is amazing. It can either become an event or a permanent implementation and they change the spot once a month. All they have to do is add a special trash loot that drop only on arsha that is more expensive. And maybe remove the normal trash loot or leave it, up to them. Easy work for amazing fun for players.
I built tungrad and have a pen disto and it does fine. I just hated grinding ash. Ill buy a 3 piece debo (so I can go 3 debo 3 tungrad or whatever) when they drop a next level ap set and all you guys dump them. I'm 317 417 and the z buff lets me grind fine. I do capped war onlym, not that war is that fun anymore lol. Granted I am fine with not being at the top of the gear curve, but then again its been ez and I got to keep HOURS of my life.
The Sauson's idea is hilarious.
i remember why i liked debos at first. they offered a "cheaper" alternative at tet to other pen accessories. they where the first accessories i build from scratch without the market. but it was just one of many options. pen wasnt needed unless you wanted to trade the ap for something else in uncaped pvp (lol). with the earring, that did not really chage. it was the dehkia and ulukita introduction that made pen debos interesting for pve. they forced everything else out.
I am 99% sure the dev and artist team that did Kamasylvia and Oddylita contents are gone. Most subsequent releases kind of look like trash
“Damn I just farmed my 280b accessory, gotta do it 3 more times then can compete in pvp ha ha !”
okay hear me out, to make players more willing to fight for resources and bring back some of that organic pvp, rotating every week have a few spots 2-3 early game 3-4 mid game and 2 late game
give a 50% drop rate buff and like a special drop like some token you hold and can exchange after the week is over for duo accessories based on your stage of the game and the spot. this would incentivize grinding at contested areas and if they have the spots announced before node wars it can add an extra reason for your guild to own a node but i'm just saying things that'll never happen and make these buffs only on the 1st of a server, like cal 1 kama 1 etc
to limit servers and increase scarcity of spots
Brilliant idea on the Arsha event
We need Giant Bosses now, like the colossus u see on the game intro, a raid boss like that would be awesome
ive been wondering if maybe you can bring this topic in the next UN podcast and maybe ask the korean players there about the character sliders for female characters.. its just that ive always been anxious about the next female characters that would come up because ever since nova made an appearance all of the female characters body type have been standardized into this skinny ones and we cant make the female characters as thicc as the ranger or the DK anymore, so i was wondering if the korean players in the UN podcast knows anything about this. because if they really did standardized all the new female classes body type from here on then i would stop expecting and would just focus on the old classes and wouldnt be playing the new female classes that would come out anymore. maybe you could ask them if korean players hate thicc female characters thats why they standardized it to skinny one?
in SEA server the hammers listed in market are only less than 200 units, thats a clue how many are playing right now
Honestly what I want to see is a Awakening only spec in the future.
I thought of a good idea while watching this. Buff the old armor sets to be better than the fallen god. Buff them so much and the req. To get them ready to be useable as difficult as making harmony elixirs. Like, plywood, solvent colored crystals heated, even gems. Bonus stats could be +100 kama damage for one set. +35 human for another. 3 set effect only. Giving each old set one armor piece to shine. Helm evasion, gloves accuracy, boots dr, chest dp. Players can choose what set to use and sub in any piece for another set they choose or use fallen god. Buff fallen god if you only have 1 piece equipped. Make lemoria have high eva an acc comparatively but five it special atk, back, crit % bonus. I think reimagining the old sets and making them equivalent to tri fallen god in terms of stats and requires items like kutum fragment a rare drop thats untradble. Qutaruam leaves. Elkarrs crystal. Compass parts. Flame parts. To name a few.
Or maybe. They could just make night time gear and night time actually matter maybe?! Just maybe that notification will matter one day? Sure the threat is increased a little but.. giving your armor pieces a menu that can adapt to night and gives advantages or even more disadvantages to you at night. Buff night time damage taken and actual drop increase on sought after items. Encourages spots to be full and also marni not allowed at night time. I'd come back.
Thing is, THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. You need AP for everything. You don't get to mess with other options unless you're going for a pvp tank build.
The only exception are narc earrings due to the kama damage.
Thats how the world works people who can't speak their language become helpless while people who can speak clearly can get the help they need.
when you talked about arsha loot on one spot that rotates I got hard, I miss sausans/pirates/gahaz pvp
we should defo make petition or smthn to push it to devs, make it happen, its win for everyone, they dont need to develop any new spots, it could just be on old spots in helms so its close to central towns, there could also be some rare drops (either debo or maybe hammers wink wink) for lucky AOE when you are doing pvp
For real! we need Raids and group content!!! More dungeons that aren't puzzles. Give us the classic 5 room dungeons with bosses that require us to work together etc. Give us more reasons to party and play together instead of playing solo at the same time. And more gear options. And the open world PVP idea with the resources is a dope idea!
Well there's no point in gearing up anyways. There's no good PVP anymore. What am I grinding in circles for? To grind in circles FASTER? Node wars are awful now, Open world PVP is dead and they intentionally killed it, Red karma is now viewed as irl mass murder, so what's the point anymore? The amazing combat system is amazing because of the fluid live action PVP and now there's no reason for it. Once you hit the 730-750 mark you sit down at your desk one day and just say "What is all this ever for?"
Funny part is you grind in circles to grind circles slower since end game is becoming more and more tanky
Well said
Bought the game on launch, fought daily in Susan's Kitchen, and since those days me and my boys have just kinda logged on for free stuff and ball hammers.
If they kept shadow arena inside bdo to this day and kept maintaining it and making it better, on god bdo would be literaly THE mmo to play. Having another game inside BDO that was at that time the biggest hype with battle royales.
Because of your bday vod, i also tried to tap 3 pen manos gear; hunt cook and gather. Got all 3 with 36 taps total. Used all of my free crons, never doing it again.
I loved the bandit system of the desert and I wish they would of carried it over to ulukita or w/e it's spelled
"Translation errors" arent just language models sich as english to Korean but also Windows to Xbox or playstation along with net code. Yes, its hard and takes money and time.
What does that have to do with Korea PC and Global PC getting content at the same time? Console was not part of the discussion.
PA doesn't care, they just want you to buy their cash vouchers.
They control the market, so they control the lifeskill meta. If they wanted an actual organic market and actual lifeskill balance they would simply have to remove the price cap and leave a minimum bracket just to prevent some rmt.
They control the events, so they control the gear levels. Everyone gets a tet blackstar, everyone gets 20 bil item just because they exist...
Currently, the only remaining area of the game where it feels like PA isn't just selling the best available option outright in a cash shop pack is sailing. Can't buy manos sailing log, can't buy carrack mats, can't really buy blue gear (though they DID put seacoins in the tens of thousands in that patrigio event, but that's like a single Toro piece so basically next to nothing.)
Everything else is up for grabs at one point or another in cash shop, so long as you spend thousands of dollars to either outright buy it or gain silver from selling premium items on market and buy from market.
BDO progression is designed to either work for a masochistic grind addicts with no remorse for their wrists or whales that will opt to just buy their progress with a weeks wages to prevent month of grind.
Isn’t that why they made changes to some accessories like for example the only one that comes to mind right now is the tungrad set and now having extra bonuses so maybe they are working on more variety with accessories in general 🤷🏻♂️
But is also stupid to change stats for gear of the past and bottlenecking everyone who didn't smell the changes coming. The game takes already so much time for progression....
Like I am aiming for 3 debo 3 accuracy accessoires and with ominous and dawns updates it changes which debo I need to go for and which accuracy accessories i have to take.
@11:20 Watch them finally add raid mechanics to the game, but in exchange they just completely gut PvP from the game
Console: we want something!
Uninstall or remove your card info from your account and don’t spend a dime till they shutdown the servers. If you really want to play BDO it’s on PC
I think Hashbrown Land Val Expansion gonna be lit.
The thing I'm confused with is.. why they can't just keep the diversity with these new endgame items. Like with the artifacts... They could've made several endgame artifacts that specialzied in different things, and maybe keep kabua's as it is for an all around general purpose endgame artifact. The could've had other artifacts that focused on DR, or AP, monster damage, or what have you. Just take the current artifacts and upgrade those even... like.. it's so lazy to do this "one size fits all" thing like they did with Kabua's... it's not like it'd even take a lot of work, they don't have separate icons for different normal artifacts (other than lifeskilling), so just use Kabua's icon for the multiple endgame artifacts and change the name/stats. It'd be a little more work with the deboreka accessories, and armors.. but I feel like they could have done something not too complicated whilst keeping the diversity. It's just lazy, a company of their size should be able to have a team work on those item creations for ONE week, maybe two, to create the icons, names, stats, the material (flame or whatever) to make it, and where it'd drop. There's no way they're struggling to make content because they don't have enough devs to work on it, right? It really makes it seem like they're either just lazy or don't care about BDO anymore and are focusing on other things.
I want to add that they even ruined early game diversity with Tuvala... you go Tuvala into Boss armor into Slumbering Origin armor, that's it. And then accessories are basically Capotia, Distos and Jetina (maybe Tungrads now) -> Deboreka. That's it. Maybe you'll get Narcs. They streamlined the process too much and got rid of diversity. It seems like they're trying to get a little more diversity with the Tungrads, which are a step in the right direction IMO. But that isn't enough by itself.
The days of Valencia release was the most fun
I agree with this sht 100% on top of that they need to do to also improve console which would also improve performance and storage, and free up space is TAKE OUT ALL THE USELESS SHT no one uses, does, or play. For example you waste time, money and memory/performance because you can talk to almost every NPC in the game when they are used for nothing. Same thing with other sht, PA can see what people use, and do. Watch that sht and remove EVERYTHING, items, gear, game modes, NPC's, features. You'll just improve your game, on top of that listen to your players you'll make them happy and people will pay for sht. If a restaurant is shit after going there the first time I'm not coming back. Same with a game. I thought Asians are smart wtf is PA doing, don't even get me started on console.
As a newish player I get that most of the game revolves around grinding, but why does that have to be the case? Why can't there be different pve activies just in general (not even including raids.) Another thing for me is that in other games a large part of the fun is getting cool new weapons and armor. For instance in Dark Souls 3 ( I know they aren't the same genre) When I got to a particularly tough boss, one of my first thoughts was always "I wonder if I can use that Spear." That's non existent in this game which feels odd.
28:40 I startes a few months ago and without a guide the earlygame is not understanable. Thats why u see these messed up builds in ur gearadvice show. And if u follow a guide there is no more real build diversity, at least thats how it appears to me. There are best choices and it makes no sense to play around with em.
They should just copy some pve-sytems from GW2 , like the "Fractal"-Dungeons , world events and maybe even the PVP-battleground system with good rewards as an entrance point for PVP
or maybe just copy wow dungeons and raids but that would be harder since we dont have a trinity-system.
You know what would be sick for open world pvp? Certain grind spots have some sort of PvP enabled thing for X amount of time and can drop valuables if you grind there. Only thing is... To be able to access those spots you have to be flagged for pvp. Literally adds open world pvp and keeps people grinding and having fun. (Going off what you mentioned about the desert)
Majority of people do not want to interact with pvp in any way.
This is a terrible idea.
Would make more sense in an mmo with good pvp and a bigger playerbase of pvp players, or maybe a game that on the box is "pvevp" but is an mmo instead of a battle royale/extraction game like they all are
@@TheCosmicAstro- That is why if you would flag into it. If you don't want to interact with pvp you just wouldnt go there and keep grinding where you were.
It at least leaves room for optional pvp. I mean nothing is being done now and with the state of PvP any idea is a good idea at this point.
@wildsidemb6477 the best idea is to entirely rework how pvp functions.
The reason no one interacts with it is because it boils down to who can CC chain the other to death or severely outgearing.
I had a forced pvp encounter at years ago where this guy was a full evasion build. I couldn't do damage to him and while he could do damage to me. I just CCd him and healed all the damage.
The fight lasted like 10 minutes of back and forth...
The game is NOT designed for pvp. They'd have to rework how pvp functions for it to be fun and interactive/have people want to interact with it
I actually enjoy the game because the progression is significantly noticiable and feels great (its rewarding). Now I dont grind all the time, I be doing what a sand box MMO do. I would lifeskill, grind, or simply log in for daily rewards then log off. Sometimes pvp, I make almost 1b per day. But I have to agree, their bottle neck is horrible. The thing I hate most is the Ators flame and kabua artifact.... the fact its not accesible to all people but only the top 1% of player is horrible. Because now as a lower GS wanting the new BIS , you got to wait to be spoon fed by the 1%. And the 1% of player that can grind the spot benefits the mosy everytime new weapon or grind comes out. Its so bad honestly. So once youre up in the 1% .... youre basically ahead of the curve on about every content they release.
real good content, kudos to the both of you guys! if only developers listen to you BDO will get the hold of MMO games!! this game has potential, just do half of the things these two gentlemen said
AcTuAlLy you have to do mediah fauna for bartali's log, so its not only the questline to do there
what he means by PA first player second, its they doing whatever they deem more convienient for em and not whats best/fun for players
Imagine grinding that much for not even doing pvp, I will never understand that.
Sense of progression is one hell of a drug my friend.. the reason I play BDO and arpgs like poe
@@KryeRulez yep you are a victim of careful mental manipulation and dopamine triggering game design by the devs for you to keep playing and spending money on the game.
Other mmorpgs give you sense of progression without infinite grind. Really hard bosses that few can kill, challenging dungeons, mythics in wow, solo deep dungeon challenge in ff14, ranked equalized pvp in gw2, ect.
Pvp is garbage I play to lifeskill, social and progression
It feels like such a waste given how amazing the combat system is. I played this game a bit when it released on console and the PvP is what made it the first game I bought when I built my pc. I’ve always seen it as a PvP mmo and I don’t really get what draws players in if not for the PvP
Calling it now, skill augment accessories are coming.
40:50 facts and based holy fk never thought someone would say it
Forcefully shoving people out of their grind spot just cause is not based.
Open world pvp could be cool but it never has been and never will be in bdo
I am on copium that War of The Roses is coming back after the hit reduction with a big relaunch.... I pushed to 700 gs just to try it :(
It's always weird to me when people always want to call out the PvP in most games and people not wanting to do them. But let's be honest video has a lot of strength there are PVP is top terror for people who like it, their PVE is very nice if you can find a good location and a kind of fix that with the realms. And then you got life skills which has people farming and doing all types of individual activities it's pretty much catering to all different types of players. And Tiffany honest it's just a few glaring issues that they have that they're kind of addressing slowly so I think one day they might actually eventually even get a word for the game. And that's a lot coming from me because let me tell you they have one of the best character customization editor that I have seen in a long time. If they allow you to change the shape of your body a bit more they would drive people over the moon but that would acquire them changing the armor which I completely understand that one to do. But overall I think they're going in a good direction, I did want them to do something though if they ever add more servers I want them to add to types. One just straight out PVP servers for half of them where you get bonus buffs or even rewards for PVPing other players. I think that was settle a lot of people blood lust that they have naturally and allow them to really battle it out at any time. And on the flip side of that I think they should have straight up PVE servers that are for people who really want to grind in large groups imagine you go to a zone to going grind and Robert can happen to join a party depending on how many people's in that zone is add it to a zone wide buff and you can't kill each other but it increases the drop rate of how many people are fitted into one area. Even if people are in one town and you're constantly doing farming or they're doing something with their workshops just little buffs that's increases The pool of certain items or gathering certain items. I think that would be a really interesting concept to put in and I think it would really rally up the community from everyone from different ends.
They can even make the black spirit take on a different form depending on those two servers One would be like a little devil in the oven will be like a little halo over it to you the show that you're in a certain server.
Hey, at least in end game you have all those spots to pick from to grind, its not like only one is "the best one" and everyone grinds there! Right? Right?
Odi and mountain are the best. Just for the atmosphere, landscape and mob types, not necessarily for the type/mechanics of the grind zone.
Call me crazy but i like the 1 track for gear bc it makes tagging alts easier instead of needing new gear for each tag.
PA has always put themselves first. No debating required. The constant release of new classes before they balance all the current ones is all the proof anyone needs. They constantly claim they want balance but it's really just an excuse to nerf classes that are popular to again try to get more people to reroll and spend money again. They want to make sure class effectiveness changes constantly to urge players to swap characters to buy more inventory, weight, horse flutes, and of course costumes. They want us to not want to buy 3mil cron stones they want us to be tempted to buy costumes with real money instead. They just want our money so they constantly inconvenience the player to again tempt them into spending money instead. They have always been greedy and that is not going to change. The game will probably be as good as it can get when it's just about ready to die just to try to squeeze that last little bit of money before they move on to their next project. The absolute best MMO combat ever in this industry and it's wasted and ignored for the pursuit of the almighty dollar.
im new here, not sure if its sarcasm at the part where PA supposely said ulukita spots would be braindead spots. but it is sarcasm right? cus they are a fricking headache blast of mechanics lol
With the debo set bonus bs and dr patch... im about to raw tap my tet debo neck, whether I fail or succeed I'll be quitting until i get discord messages from ppl telling me things changed.
Lifeskillers havent had any nee gear in 5+ years. What do you mean stale?
I mean they give us 2 tri manos accessories
@@Hell3quine wow. 2 tri manos. Grinders got 2 full pen accessories. PA is so generous.
@kaceydillin7367 yea ia agree on that it should have been at least tet
Heck yeah, give us our island back. Noone goes to pirates anyway, make it so good that its worth even if you are only grind for like 20 minutes and have a fiesta for the other 40 and it doesnt feel like you are wasting time. Spawn in some random Events that make you have to swap the rotation. Make Elite grinds worth it, there was a point where it was worth to grind the elites at rogues and iron mines for 25mil an hour.
How's this different from 5 years ago when the grind was boss armor and black star and dande awk weapons?
I would personally prefer more diversity in game play mechanics.
PA once announced Airships as a thing. Where are those?
They talked about expanding the region east of Valencia. Where is that?
It is a bit frustrating that the map shows an entire new area right above the Valencia desert, but then we get an entire new continent on the other side of the ocean first
Would love to see Dungeons, Raids and a PvP zone to hop in and out just like cyrodill in eso. No stress just Masspvp to hop in and out as you like.
The Arsha event and pvp on Mediah talk, this was the most based thing i've heard from Blue so far 🤣 I would love that
This biggest issue is that the grind for a lot of things isn’t even fun. I am currently trying to get the infinite pots and having to go grind at narverne steppe and in the middle of the grind stop and skin ever single bird I kill makes it super unfun to the point where I am just grinding better spots for money to then just buy the potion outright
I used to love the fact, as u mentioned, that people would pvp over grind zones due to it being limited or people just having fun as well.
Open World PvP used to be a thing to brag about this game, considering the epic combat this game has to offer and all.
Now i think they should rename their game to White Desert since they are taking away so much of the "forced pvp" or "war" aspect of the game, making it seem like a pure game.
Can no longer declare war on someone coz u will be negative karma within 2 fights if not 1.
The change on node wars will eventually make people focus on PvE only.
Most of the current changes (DR, EVA, skill hit, etc) seem to only impact PvE and forget PvP aspect, despite many changes that they also applied to the accuracy.
They give BIS for artifacts, FOR PVE.
Our BIS gear is STILL PVE focused (monster damage reduction, Extra ap vs monsters).
So far, correct me if i'm wrong, the only "pvp" gear seems to be DP focused. Heck even old games like Aura Kingdom (2014) used to have different gear for PvP and PvE that u had to grind for and enhance separatedly. And u would put around same time in grinding dungeons as you put in some spots of the game.
I think PA could implement so much more to engage people into PvP, despite not having as many players as before, and make it appealing. One sided PvP isn't necessarily bad, as it motivates people to work on their gear.
However, making it impossible to engage in pvp due to karma changes, and even the fact of having marni realm for over 1h makes it so that the "open" world feels so dead most of the times.
I remember struggling to actually get the infinite potion pieces because people kept dueling for spot, spam kill etc to secure the best spot, nowadays just marni realm and even if u don't do it there's a high chance other players there are doing it.
I'm not saying the game will die but it is starting to lose the MMO aspect for me
My thing with this is, it's literally the player's fault. We have a community that's fine playing 500 hours for 1 piece of gear, which btw, has a negligible difference in stats. We deny content that's interesting because these same players want their grind to be simple too.
If these people hate the debo grind so much, why do it? I can tell you one thing, definitely not the reason they keep dying in pvp...
The devs seem like they have no idea what they are doing, they are inconsistent with choosing a direction for the game. I'm currently 740gs and the debo grind is indeed very soul sucking.
I really hate the debo pigeonhole. They should've just added extra cups to all the accessories and released more gooner outfits for money.
The MAIN problem is that there is NO diversity in terms of gear. Everybody using the same gear.
Its a single gear that goes for evasion or DR.
New World did an amazing job by providing diversity in gears that you where not tied to a single gear for progression.
What they did wrong was make them useless by providing higher grade too easily and rending the previous gear completely useless and tooooo many different gear.
Just add Cups to the crystal inventory, allow us to enhance them to PEN and increase the variety of effects for each accessory slot(species damage, accuracy, more special attack type, DR, evasion, cast/attack Speed, max black spirit energy, life skill exp/mastery, item drop rate, etc). EZ, end-game build variety is fixed.
You can easily make new cup material drop at new or existing spot or use current material(looking at you Despair) for new crafting recipe.
Removing crystal break and adding crystal enhancing is also another decent option.
Enhancing cups, good idea
Adding them to crystal inventory, bad idea.
The whole "destroy your shit randomly on death" idea is braindead, especially with how expensive shit gets in high end setups.
They need to get rid of that entirely