I would say Jeff Cooper's concept of the Scout Rifle is outdated (stuff like small magazine that is reloaded with stripper clips, a manual action, etc.) but it can be updated. A small, lightweight bolt action that can hit sub-2 MOA has plenty of utility, especially when Jeff Cooper taught that a scout rifleman operates more like a sniper (shooting from a concealed position, no more than 2 shots fired per position, stuff like that), so I agree that the CZ 600 Trail fits that role as well as the Fix by Q, Tikka T3x, and plenty of other rifles when "precision rifles" are mostly heavy and/or too long or big. I am actually delighted to see that gun. It looks like it belongs in an alternate universe where the world is attacked by aliens in the 40s or 50s and the war drags such that we have advanced sighting systems available but our industrial capacity is strained so we can't get enough self-loading modern rifles out of the factories fast enough, so people bubba existing old rifles just so that we can get guns in people's hands but want to take advantage of modern technology.
Over 35 years ago I "Bubba'd" a Swede Mauser into a Scout Rifle back when they were $50 each. Bought a new composite stock for it, replaced the tangent sight with a scope mount and put a Nikon pistol scope on it. Turned out quite accurate. Hunted with it for years. Still have it. Need to take it to the range to play with it again.
I bought a Steyr Scout when they were new, spent money on a gun I was uncomfortable using at a driven hunt, as I looked like a terrorist with it. Sold it to a wildfowl farmer, who put it to better use with an extended magazine.
What he is talking about is the same reason my dad sporterized a Mauser 98 receiver and a 1903 back in the 1960's. They both were so common and easy to get then. The 1903 is just on a hunting type stock and has scope mounts. The Mauser was completely redone with a heavy barrel in 7mm or .243 and a hunting stock. It ways about twice what the 1903 does.
You know what? I liked both Eric and the rifle. Sure, seen even close by (from France) where K31 are available but at steeper prices every year, it hurts a little, but only a little considering the context. I perfectly understand why he did it, good reasons too.
A large lot of old military rifles came into the U.S.A. in the late 1960s. I remember going into the stores (not just gun stores) and seeing walls covered in them with price tags well under $100 for those still in new condition. Those with obvious signs of use were often under $50. I admit it, I, in my youthful ignorance, bought a 7mm Mauser and had its bolt turned down, the barrel shortened, the receiver tapped for a scope mount, and mounted it in a sporting stock. The conversion was well done, it's a great shooter, I still have it, but I now regret the conversion.
Paint? Use a textured type, crinkle finish or the hammered stuff. Better yet, can you get the Rhino lining type of stuff we use to coat the inside of a truck bed?
I actually like the rifle and don't think it's silly. Context is everything. Of course the sight is brutal... chin weld. I'm a sucker for scouts and scout shaped rifles. Note that Col. Cooper's concept specifically did NOT call for a detachable box magazine due to increased weight and complexity, and due to how it altered handling of the rifle.
I would definitely cut it down! I don’t care about preserving something that’s not rare or valuable and I’m going to change it to my needs. Don’t care that someone gets mad at what I might do with MY rifle! I think if it’s yours, do what you want and others need to mind their own business. I LIKE this rifle and what he’s done with it!
Everyone should read The Book of the Rifle by Cooper before discussing Scout Rifles. Not one "scout rifle" in 1000 fits the criteria or spirit of the concept. That is not a criticism of this rifle which looks like a fun and practical hunting rifle, but it is very trendy to declare the concept absurd or obsolete based on factory scout rifles that aren't. The key component that is never discussed is handiness. Low sight line, light weight, superb ergonomics. Most scout rifles offer none of those features.
@@theseukonnen1200 People wanted to cash in on it. Ruger and Savage made pseudo scouts by the ton. Look at Scott's work at van Dorsten Customs. He makes Scout Rifles on two or three actions that are correct in all respects at a reasonable price. It can be done, just not at a Ruger American or Savage 110 price. The weak area right now is scopes, and I would be interested in seeing how a red dot magnifier combination would perform.
So. Would it be possible to buy who an import batch worth of sporter'ed K31s and G/K11s to strip down into barreled actions for aspiring gunsmiths in the States to be weird with?
I mean... you probably could, but you'd also probably be better off just importing regular rifles. While these sporters aren't exactly rare, they're much rarer than the regular guns and it'd be much easier to just get a large order of un-bubbad models together.
I'd be really interested by a sporter k31 rifle tbh. I live in France and surprisingly not many on the market on the internet unlike the military rifles. Could you perhaps tell me how to search for one in your country ? Because i'd be willing to go through the hoops of importation to get one!
Hi, I purchased a little while ago, a Factory Bubba'd Single shot rifle, Scope mounted K31. The stock is a work of art being a normal K31 rifle stock converted into a supporter scope mount stock complete with pistol grip and cheek piece style stock done out of other pieces of K31 stocks, with an almost seamless appearance, finishing in a slim sporter Type forestock. Scope mounts are EAW and just Tack welded on. I've been told these were factory-made, Sniper Training rifles? certainly looks armoury-made, but a training rifle doesn't make sense. No Mag, just frilled in with wood, standard Barrel, any help is appreciated.
@@BlokeontheRange Sorry about that, obviously not a one-off, too much trouble has been put into it, maybe someone like Schultz & Larson or equivalent I have 2 of their M96 converted heavy barrel target rifles. Bubbaed Swiss K31s are not seen often here in Canada, I have a good period optic on it, Barrel is completely free-floating, just curious craftsmanship is exceptional. You're the first I've seen discussing Bubbaed rifles.
Return on investment for importers wouldn't be worth it. They might double their money if they are lucky with sporters, with intact mil surp they make 5 to 10 times what they spend because idiots keep paying it.
I almost fell off my chair when you started talking about K31 prices. In Australia minimum for bare average K31 is $1,500 AUD (over 900 Euro) AU$1,800+ for anything in "good condition" that you would probably say was average.
Well, they're our local military surplus and the relative over-supply plus the nonexistent need for shipping/logistics naturally keeps the price low. Australia has a much smaller stock of available K31s, and the ones that are available required export from Switzerland, import into Australia and they had to be transported there. Naturally they'll be more expensive. But yes, in Switerland if you're paying more than 250-300 for a K31 it's either for a specific reason (immaculate condition, specific rifle/serial, additional accessories) or you're getting ripped off.
@@johndilday1846 they are getting harder to get here but they are still the most common WW2 rifle to find in original condition. I would "guess" the Garand and M1 carbine would be very common there.
hell id take one or two bubba’d k31’s and fo the same. be a fun gun, wish someone would bring some over cheap, i enjoy the odd and weird guns. i like shooting my bolt action shotguns and looks i get st times when i bust a few clays with’em. if i was eric id get a strap on cheek riser to help with cheek weld on his k31. id be happy with one chopped st both ends even. wished id kept my mint k31 had yrs back when coukd get them for 100 bucks here in Texas.
Being of the old one shot school, one completely fails to understand this obsession with magazine capacity. And don't get me started on the subject of people actually counting their rounds as they shoot otherwise there will, as they say, be intemperate language.
I was fuming about a American u tube shooter who said his Enfield no4 wasn't very accurate. He had bubbed it to sportarize it by removing the front stock that supports the barrel, therefore loosing accuracy 🙄
To my immortal shame, I bubba’d my father’s Winchester P14 when I was a boy. It was ugly and not fun. When I realised what I had done I got rid of it so not to torment me in the flesh, only in my head. 😔
Cooper very much had a habit of claiming credit for stuff that already existed. His "scout rifle" specs include some arbitrary things like barrel length so that a Kar.98 m.ZF-41 doesn't count as one... And then don't get me started on his insistence of the asymmetric push-pull Weaver stance, that's probably caused more flinching than any other position and should have died a death way earlier than it did (and yet people will still defend it cos of Cooper...).
@@ShutUpBubi And you think him being influential means one can't criticise the obvious flaws in his teachings and character? A lot of Cooper's influence is based on the formalisation and streamlining of already existing rules, knowledge and concepts. Which is fine and a valuable contribution - but then claiming sole credit for the "invention" is not, and deserves to be called out as the snake oilery it is. His two greatest "inventions", the 4 rules of firearm safety and the scout rifle, are examples of exactly that: He took already existing concepts, repackaged them and then sold them as his "gift" to the world.
He caused so much insane Fuddery and nonsense by leaving off the second part of "treat every fiream as if it's loaded [until you have convinced yourself otherwise]"... But a lot of the time he wasn't even repackaging, he was simply passing-off existing stuff as his own and popularising it. The "scout rifle concept" had merit, but then he went off being overly-prescriptive and arbitrary, seemingly in an attempt to exclude similar stuff like the ZFK-41 that already existed, in order to package it as his own unique and special idea, since whenever anyone pointed to the earlier stuff he could then say "nah-uh, doesn't comply with my super-narrow-and-rigid definition". Back in the day I used to read his "Cooper's Commentaries" that came on an e-mail list. A lot of "When I came up with / invented the...." going on there. And one which stuck in my mind was when he discovered that the Steyr Scout was being sold in the UK for quite a bit less than in the US (which seemed to irk him, it was presumably cos the Jeff Cooper name premium didn't have as much interest in the UK so Steyr sold it cheaper), he suggested that if one were to go on holiday to "England" they should pick up one or two to bring back, which was rather hilarious, as if you could actually do that lol...
@@BlokeontheRange To give credit where it's due, in Cooper's Commentaries, Volume 6, No. 2 the second part of the first rule is actually included... Right after presenting the single worst and most wrong version of Rule 1. A direct quote: RULE 1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking. As soon as he puts it down, Rule 1 applies again. But yes, the incomplete short version of the first rule - or the even worse, factually wrong version mentioned above - have found their way into way too many instructional publications and ultimately heads, and now we get to deal with people who are vocally uncomfortable with looking down the muzzle end of a disassembled or otherwise obviously unloaded weapon because the ammo fairy could've dropped a round in the chamber during the second it took me to check the chamber/magazine and flip the gun around.
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Put a bipod and IR laser on it
"Spend as much on the optic as the rifle"
Swiss man with a K31: So about that
"Iron sights only then, got it."
You forgot to praise Jeff Cooper when you mentioned it
Praise, Jeff Cooper.
Jeff Cooper.
🐐🐐🐐
I'm not in the Cooper Cult and I'm not afraid to say it...
@@BlokeontheRangeNever mind, you'll eventually get there! 😉😉😉
>coughcough
I would say Jeff Cooper's concept of the Scout Rifle is outdated (stuff like small magazine that is reloaded with stripper clips, a manual action, etc.) but it can be updated. A small, lightweight bolt action that can hit sub-2 MOA has plenty of utility, especially when Jeff Cooper taught that a scout rifleman operates more like a sniper (shooting from a concealed position, no more than 2 shots fired per position, stuff like that), so I agree that the CZ 600 Trail fits that role as well as the Fix by Q, Tikka T3x, and plenty of other rifles when "precision rifles" are mostly heavy and/or too long or big.
I am actually delighted to see that gun. It looks like it belongs in an alternate universe where the world is attacked by aliens in the 40s or 50s and the war drags such that we have advanced sighting systems available but our industrial capacity is strained so we can't get enough self-loading modern rifles out of the factories fast enough, so people bubba existing old rifles just so that we can get guns in people's hands but want to take advantage of modern technology.
Over 35 years ago I "Bubba'd" a Swede Mauser into a Scout Rifle back when they were $50 each. Bought a new composite stock for it, replaced the tangent sight with a scope mount and put a Nikon pistol scope on it. Turned out quite accurate. Hunted with it for years. Still have it. Need to take it to the range to play with it again.
It's an oddity! To quote Borat "I like" 😊
I bought a Steyr Scout when they were new, spent money on a gun I was uncomfortable using at a driven hunt, as I looked like a terrorist with it.
Sold it to a wildfowl farmer, who put it to better use with an extended magazine.
What he is talking about is the same reason my dad sporterized a Mauser 98 receiver and a 1903 back in the 1960's. They both were so common and easy to get then. The 1903 is just on a hunting type stock and has scope mounts. The Mauser was completely redone with a heavy barrel in 7mm or .243 and a hunting stock. It ways about twice what the 1903 does.
You know what? I liked both Eric and the rifle. Sure, seen even close by (from France) where K31 are available but at steeper prices every year, it hurts a little, but only a little considering the context.
I perfectly understand why he did it, good reasons too.
10:30 it is ALWAYS a tactical advantage to have the wood.
Nice to see you there.
Ben
Love it. Keep the bubba'd alive and working
A large lot of old military rifles came into the U.S.A. in the late 1960s. I remember going into the stores (not just gun stores) and seeing walls covered in them with price tags well under $100 for those still in new condition. Those with obvious signs of use were often under $50.
I admit it, I, in my youthful ignorance, bought a 7mm Mauser and had its bolt turned down, the barrel shortened, the receiver tapped for a scope mount, and mounted it in a sporting stock. The conversion was well done, it's a great shooter, I still have it, but I now regret the conversion.
Definitely need either a drill or no-drill kydex cheek riser.... makes a night and day difference
That's more of a straight-pull flashbang.
Paint? Use a textured type, crinkle finish or the hammered stuff.
Better yet, can you get the Rhino lining type of stuff we use to coat the inside of a truck bed?
I actually like the rifle and don't think it's silly. Context is everything. Of course the sight is brutal... chin weld. I'm a sucker for scouts and scout shaped rifles. Note that Col. Cooper's concept specifically did NOT call for a detachable box magazine due to increased weight and complexity, and due to how it altered handling of the rifle.
I want one now. Please importers, bring in the bubba'd K31s, I need it.
Look at Swiss Products OBM mount. Over barrel mount.
That would prevent me from using stripper clips as the OBM mount is on top of the action not in front of
Looks like fun, if needing a lace-on riser on the stock.
I would definitely cut it down! I don’t care about preserving something that’s not rare or valuable and I’m going to change it to my needs. Don’t care that someone gets mad at what I might do with MY rifle! I think if it’s yours, do what you want and others need to mind their own business.
I LIKE this rifle and what he’s done with it!
maybe an S&K scope mount for your K31 with an old school 3x-power El Paso USA made Weaver scout scope.
Everyone should read The Book of the Rifle by Cooper before discussing Scout Rifles. Not one "scout rifle" in 1000 fits the criteria or spirit of the concept. That is not a criticism of this rifle which looks like a fun and practical hunting rifle, but it is very trendy to declare the concept absurd or obsolete based on factory scout rifles that aren't. The key component that is never discussed is handiness. Low sight line, light weight, superb ergonomics. Most scout rifles offer none of those features.
If not one in a thousand earnest attempts meets the parameters, perhaps the parameters may have never been all that realistic to begin with?
@@theseukonnen1200 People wanted to cash in on it. Ruger and Savage made pseudo scouts by the ton. Look at Scott's work at van Dorsten Customs. He makes Scout Rifles on two or three actions that are correct in all respects at a reasonable price. It can be done, just not at a Ruger American or Savage 110 price. The weak area right now is scopes, and I would be interested in seeing how a red dot magnifier combination would perform.
The ruger scout is light and ergonomic is great
I like it, I'd rather have that then a "collectible".
Absolutely love the sticker, where can I get some?
Man... those K31's run sliiiiiiiiiiiick.
He should mount the current sight on the new scope he was talking about. Also, lasers!
frikin lasers
So. Would it be possible to buy who an import batch worth of sporter'ed K31s and G/K11s to strip down into barreled actions for aspiring gunsmiths in the States to be weird with?
I mean... you probably could, but you'd also probably be better off just importing regular rifles. While these sporters aren't exactly rare, they're much rarer than the regular guns and it'd be much easier to just get a large order of un-bubbad models together.
I'd be really interested by a sporter k31 rifle tbh.
I live in France and surprisingly not many on the market on the internet unlike the military rifles.
Could you perhaps tell me how to search for one in your country ? Because i'd be willing to go through the hoops of importation to get one!
You can google gunshops and look :)
Hi, I purchased a little while ago, a Factory Bubba'd Single shot rifle, Scope mounted K31. The stock is a work of art being a normal K31 rifle stock converted into a supporter scope mount stock complete with pistol grip and cheek piece style stock done out of other pieces of K31 stocks, with an almost seamless appearance, finishing in a slim sporter Type forestock. Scope mounts are EAW and just Tack welded on. I've been told these were factory-made, Sniper Training rifles? certainly looks armoury-made, but a training rifle doesn't make sense. No Mag, just frilled in with wood, standard Barrel, any help is appreciated.
Not an official Swiss conversion.
@@BlokeontheRange Sorry about that, obviously not a one-off, too much trouble has been put into it, maybe someone like Schultz & Larson or equivalent I have 2 of their M96 converted heavy barrel target rifles. Bubbaed Swiss K31s are not seen often here in Canada, I have a good period optic on it, Barrel is completely free-floating, just curious craftsmanship is exceptional. You're the first I've seen discussing Bubbaed rifles.
Send some to USA. I'd buy one.
It's a damn shame no one's importing these sporterized K31s.
Return on investment for importers wouldn't be worth it. They might double their money if they are lucky with sporters, with intact mil surp they make 5 to 10 times what they spend because idiots keep paying it.
Remington 788 LIR scope. There did it. 1in a thousand
Please I want to live in the land of K31s lying around :( such is freedumb.
Damn! Send these k31 to Canada!!!
I’ll take one!
I almost fell off my chair when you started talking about K31 prices.
In Australia minimum for bare average K31 is $1,500 AUD (over 900 Euro) AU$1,800+ for anything in "good condition" that you would probably say was average.
Well, they're our local military surplus and the relative over-supply plus the nonexistent need for shipping/logistics naturally keeps the price low. Australia has a much smaller stock of available K31s, and the ones that are available required export from Switzerland, import into Australia and they had to be transported there. Naturally they'll be more expensive.
But yes, in Switerland if you're paying more than 250-300 for a K31 it's either for a specific reason (immaculate condition, specific rifle/serial, additional accessories) or you're getting ripped off.
Takes me back to the days of iv8888
Now I want a K31 in an American Accessable cartridge
So I can give it a stendo
No1Mk3's and No4's were/are like that here in Aus, cheap easy hunting rifles.
I would love a No1MK3 in great condition. They are generally beaters here in the U.S. I did get a Ishapore #2 some years ago, which is close.
@@johndilday1846 they are getting harder to get here but they are still the most common WW2 rifle to find in original condition. I would "guess" the Garand and M1 carbine would be very common there.
@@ADVtheMISSIONARY Yes. They are getting more expensive, but are not hard to find.
Dear gods its horrible!
...
I want one.
hell id take one or two bubba’d k31’s and fo the same. be a fun gun, wish someone would bring some over cheap, i enjoy the odd and weird guns. i like shooting my bolt action shotguns and looks i get st times when i bust a few clays with’em. if i was eric id get a strap on cheek riser to help with cheek weld on his k31. id be happy with one chopped st both ends even. wished id kept my mint k31 had yrs back when coukd get them for 100 bucks here in Texas.
Paint job, rail, bipod, light, laser, soft buttpad, cheek riser.
I like it, its cool 👍
Being of the old one shot school, one completely fails to understand this obsession with magazine capacity.
And don't get me started on the subject of people actually counting their rounds as they shoot otherwise there will, as they say, be intemperate language.
I was fuming about a American u tube shooter who said his Enfield no4 wasn't very accurate. He had bubbed it to sportarize it by removing the front stock that supports the barrel, therefore loosing accuracy 🙄
In a better universe I'd PayPal one of you guys some postage and ammo/beer money, and have you mail me a few of them.
To my immortal shame, I bubba’d my father’s Winchester P14 when I was a boy. It was ugly and not fun.
When I realised what I had done I got rid of it so not to torment me in the flesh, only in my head.
😔
Accessories, accessories. 🤔 How about an underbarrel grenade launcher?
Fleshlights 🤣
How horrible and fun!
Lol!
He spells is name incorrectly. lol
Yup, gonna make it worse. 👍 👍
Ah yes Jeff Cooper, the guy who looked at a ZF-Kar98 and went "I can claim credit for this". :P
Damn what uneducated disrespect. Jeff Cooper is one of the most important firearms figures in the 20th century alongside people like Elmer Keith.
Cooper very much had a habit of claiming credit for stuff that already existed. His "scout rifle" specs include some arbitrary things like barrel length so that a Kar.98 m.ZF-41 doesn't count as one... And then don't get me started on his insistence of the asymmetric push-pull Weaver stance, that's probably caused more flinching than any other position and should have died a death way earlier than it did (and yet people will still defend it cos of Cooper...).
@@ShutUpBubi And you think him being influential means one can't criticise the obvious flaws in his teachings and character? A lot of Cooper's influence is based on the formalisation and streamlining of already existing rules, knowledge and concepts. Which is fine and a valuable contribution - but then claiming sole credit for the "invention" is not, and deserves to be called out as the snake oilery it is.
His two greatest "inventions", the 4 rules of firearm safety and the scout rifle, are examples of exactly that: He took already existing concepts, repackaged them and then sold them as his "gift" to the world.
He caused so much insane Fuddery and nonsense by leaving off the second part of "treat every fiream as if it's loaded [until you have convinced yourself otherwise]"... But a lot of the time he wasn't even repackaging, he was simply passing-off existing stuff as his own and popularising it. The "scout rifle concept" had merit, but then he went off being overly-prescriptive and arbitrary, seemingly in an attempt to exclude similar stuff like the ZFK-41 that already existed, in order to package it as his own unique and special idea, since whenever anyone pointed to the earlier stuff he could then say "nah-uh, doesn't comply with my super-narrow-and-rigid definition". Back in the day I used to read his "Cooper's Commentaries" that came on an e-mail list. A lot of "When I came up with / invented the...." going on there. And one which stuck in my mind was when he discovered that the Steyr Scout was being sold in the UK for quite a bit less than in the US (which seemed to irk him, it was presumably cos the Jeff Cooper name premium didn't have as much interest in the UK so Steyr sold it cheaper), he suggested that if one were to go on holiday to "England" they should pick up one or two to bring back, which was rather hilarious, as if you could actually do that lol...
@@BlokeontheRange To give credit where it's due, in Cooper's Commentaries, Volume 6, No. 2 the second part of the first rule is actually included... Right after presenting the single worst and most wrong version of Rule 1. A direct quote:
RULE 1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
The only exception to this occurs when one has a weapon in his hands and he has personally unloaded it for checking. As soon as he puts it down, Rule 1 applies again.
But yes, the incomplete short version of the first rule - or the even worse, factually wrong version mentioned above - have found their way into way too many instructional publications and ultimately heads, and now we get to deal with people who are vocally uncomfortable with looking down the muzzle end of a disassembled or otherwise obviously unloaded weapon because the ammo fairy could've dropped a round in the chamber during the second it took me to check the chamber/magazine and flip the gun around.
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