Hai, Aliwalil4160-San. That was a wonderful scene, with excellent acting on Richard Chamberlain's part. That "smirk" on his face was an example of true brilliance in acting. It was that small, little smirk that spoke volumes. Excellent comment and observation. Arigatogozaimashita. 👍
Hiromi Senno was the most beautiful of all the Japanese actresses in the series. Glad to see a channel posting videos of the old mini-series that I can re-watch before the new one drops in February. I hope to any and all the gods that they don't screw it up, although they probably will.
Did anyone notice the subtle posture change in 'Mariko' when 'John Blackthorne' says "He'll just take it from her..."? Brilliant direction; that one posture says it all - "Anjin-san, do NOT mistake our politeness for lack of strength!"
I miss the part when Blackthorne said Arigato Gozaimashita, and Fujiko corrected that its way too much of courtesy and he is enough to say Domo, but the Anjin-san says that in this particular case, he definitely does not find it too much of courtesy. A great line.
Given the importance of honour and loss of face, I’d say Omi’s behaviour and subsequent failure to seize either the pistol or prevent Blackthorne wearing his swords would have really been a kick in the teeth.
It was a massive kick in the teeth. The book explains that the only reason Omi didn't step forward and try to take the pistol anyway is because earlier that day, he had sworn to kill lord Yabu over a perceived serious insult to his family. He wouldn't be able to avenge said insult if Fujiko blew his brains out over what he considered to be a relatively minor issue, so he backed down and accepted being personally humbled in order to avenge his family's humiliation.
Maybe so, but he knows that in the same situation, far from home, on his honour, protecting the rights he has as a Serving Vassal of a High Lord . . . he would have done the very same thing. If he had been in London, at that time, it was legal for Lords and their Servants to peacefully carry weapons about. He would have refused to relinquish his own.
In the novel, Blackthorne thinks Fujiko is ugly when she is first assigned to be his consort. But the actress playing her here is jaw-droppingly beautiful.
One of the few scenes I liked from the series; however, Fujiko was fairly homely in the book, with sharp teeth. What made her beautiful in the Japanese sense was her fulfillment of her duties. Omi knew she'd pull the triggers because it would give her an excuse for the death she craved. It's too bad they left out the thanks Blackthorne gave her. It was an honorable way to thank her.
@@mr31337 Fujiko's husband and infant son were killed for the man's mistake, and their names were erased from ever living. Though she begged for death, Toranaga convinced Fujiko to stay alive as Blackthorne's consort for six months. She refused to extend the timeframe beyond that, even though she was pregnant with Blackthorne's child. But she fulfilled her duty and Toranaga gave her back her husband's name. As to the thanks, when Fujiko had faced down Omi by making the threat to blow his head off, which she would have done, Blackthorne thanked her. Fujiko pointed out that the thanks he used was an excessive politeness; Blackthorne responded that in that case, it he didn't consider it excessive at all. Clavell had a way of fleshing out his characters, using negative aspects as well as the positive ones to make them real. Fujiko, though a minor character, was literally brought to life as an example of samurai honor and fidelity.
It's been over 30 years since I read this, but I seem to remember she stayed alive and bore Blackthorne's children. There was some confusion as when Toranaga gave him the consort contract, he kept it, married her, and she bore him many children since they were born samurai. I know on the show, he passed the contract to her lover. In the book, the lover became diamo of the providence and forgot about her as worth it. The show pg13 many things.
@@christophermccarthy884if I'm not mistaken, Fujiko was given permission by Toranaga to die after she fulfilled her 6 months agreement of being Blackthorne's consort, as long as she made it look like an accident in her way back to whatever city she was going. Also, in the books Toranaga tells Kiku that she is to be Anjin's wife, that happens right at the end and nobody knew, not even Blackthorne, so I suppose Riko Anjin, the character that appears late in the series is descendant of Blackthorne and Kiku.
@lupuscinus I wasn't sure about Fujiko since she kept putting off aborting the baby. I did like how Clavel would tie his books together with characters. When he used an Angin as a ship construction magnate to interect with Ian Dunross in Noble House, I was amused.
The only thing wrong with this wonderful sequence is how unceremoniously Chamberlain accepts the swords from Fuji-san. Surely he could taken a long moment to show that he understands the honor that has been bestowed on him.
Hai, CocoaCrispy-San. I agree, a longer moment, and a look of understanding on Anjin-San, with him then turning to Omi-San, would have been better. Excellent ideas and comments. Arigatou Gozaimashita. 👍
Nah not necessarily as remember Blackthorne, while clearly a very quick learner is still very new to all this here, and probably just sees them as merely very good weapons and the symbol of a Samurai at this stage, rather than fully understanding the deeper cultural meaning as he begins to later @@theshogunchannel
Hai, DaneToTheBone-San. It truly was, along with the glare that he gave to Omi-San. Even with just the look, there was a lot of communication. Excellent Comment. Arigatogozaimashita.
She was Samurai* , in that she was of the Caste, had been married to a Samurai, and was obeying a Lords orders. She wasn't Anjin's consort by her own choice. *The word literally means "Servant" and was taken as their caste-term BECAUSE anyone could be a soldier, anyone could learn Bushido, but only a SERVANT was "the pure thing".
She might have been beautiful, yes. But she has lost her husband and her son because of the actions. Her husband did to put the Lord in danger. In Japan, the crimes of the father are the crimes of the son.
When you think about his position and his instructions, you know AT THAT POINT, he was a paper tiger. He wasn't told "Go argue with the guest" or "Go and TRY to escort Anjin-san here". He was told to "Go summon Anjin-san here, and escort him". ANYTHING else but that happening was him failing his duty. He only objected to the pistol because he knew Anjin-san wasn't permitted to carry it about, and that was also his duty to ensure. So the glare was not death, but merely admission of impotence.
Omi-san was not concerned because the flintlock was not cocked. Also, that version of a handgun wasn't produced until the early 19th century. In the early 17th Century the pistols were wheel locks
@@colingoldie9173 Blackthorne was prepared to use it *so we can take it as read it was* . Hoo-kay. I'm sure that statement had something to do with a wheel lock pistol.
I respectfully disagree, both the scenes of John refusing to give up his guns and later Fuji-sama gifting her father swords to him had much more emotion and the required gravitas in the new series.
If Blackthorne threatens to blow someone's head off, that basically means that he's carrying a loaded weapon at all times pointing at his crotch. It also means that he has only one shot. That's not safe firearms handling.
those weapons you had no choice, but to carry loaded as loading it when needed took time. They were difficult to accidentally ignite too as they needed to be manually cocked.
In the Japanese masculine society, no man would ever surrender his macho phallic symbols. Now instead of one tiny pistol, Anjin-San is carrying two long swords instead.
No he wasn’t, he was standing up for himself, he listened to everything he was told and acted on Mariko’s advice to make use of his consort. If he was being a prick he would’ve disregarded everything, mostly likely have shot Omi and finished up dead. A man in feudal Japanese society had to stand up for himself, he did exactly that.
@@bryanduncan1640 Quite some people think that he did more quality work than just Shogun. - The Count of Monte Cristo: 76% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 5000+ ratings. - The Thorn Birds: Golden Globe Award for Best Actor in a Miniseries or Motion Picture Made for Television I haven't seen Dr. Kildare 😀
Hai Sean-San. Apparently, because Anjin-San was made Hatamoto (Special Retainer on Lord Toranaga's Personal Staff), he was allowed to wear the 2 swords. Otherwise, you are absolutely correct. The Special Hatamoto Status allowed for the 2 swords.
My parents loved this mini-series when I was a kid...but I still think the acting is terrible! Same with Anthony Hopkins' acting in that old war movie The Bunker. Terrible terrible acting!
Only Chamberlain, but not neccesarily because of his capabilities as an actor, rather because the terrible script of his character. All the Japanese actors are playing great in the entire series. Maybe Mariko looks a bit lame sometimes, but in general, Shimada also nailed it.
If you merely learn to draw them smoothly and without effort, and keep a calm heart and firm purpose, you DO know how to use them, in Japanese culture.
Maybe.....Blackthorne had been to war and was a sailor(duh) so he would have at least some familiarity with bladed weapons. His European style of combat might give someone Japanese an unpleasant surprise.....or might have ended up dead that much faster
@Thor_Odinson It's one of the few "things" that I have about Shogun. The real life Blackthorne would not have had a chance against a Samurai, at least not initially. European metallurgy and swordsmanship would've been laughable to them as well.
@@williamphillips6049 While it is most likely true that Blackthrone if a trained swordsman using a Katana would be at a large disadvantage using it against a skilled Samurai if he had a European sword such as a long sword or rapier it would largely be up to the skill of the swordsman to adopt to the different styles of swordsmanship. A Katan is a quick draw weapon and would have an advantage in close up fighting. A longsword and rapier have more reach. A rapier is more of a thrust weapon that allows for more maneuverability to parry and deflect. Depending on the rapier some can even cut also the basket provides defense. Longsword duel edge can be an issue if a Samurai is not use to fighting such a weapon. Longsword has disadvantage in close up but can be used short handed as well as using the hilt as a club. A Katana has the speed of the draw and the curved blade for slashing attacks. In the end the Longsword and Katana are not to far apart when it comes to a sword its mainly the style of the use of the blade. So a skilled European Swordsman and a Japanese Samurai would come down to the individual swordsman and their experience. Now adding fighting with a rapier with two weapons the rapier swordsman gains probably the advantage between two equally skilled swordsman. A Japanese sensei on RUclips going against a rapier with a Katana said the trust of the rapier is "scary" since it can thrust so quickly and suddenly. In the end Blackthrone inexperience with a Katana he would loose easily even if he was a trained swordsman but using a sword he was familiar with it would then be up to the individual.
Fujiko handing over the swords to Blackthorne and the consequent smirk on his face was the single greatest scene in the movie :D
Hai, Aliwalil4160-San. That was a wonderful scene, with excellent acting on Richard Chamberlain's part. That "smirk" on his face was an example of true brilliance in acting. It was that small, little smirk that spoke volumes. Excellent comment and observation. Arigatogozaimashita. 👍
Hiromi Senno was the most beautiful of all the Japanese actresses in the series. Glad to see a channel posting videos of the old mini-series that I can re-watch before the new one drops in February. I hope to any and all the gods that they don't screw it up, although they probably will.
Yes, and may she rest in peace.
She was my first love then i saw this movie, and i was 13. Eventually i married an asian girl. No regrets at all.
Apparently, The only way you can watch the old series is by checking it out at the library.
They didn’t screw it up 😊
Its actually not that bad, more dark vibe than this one but its not bad.
Did anyone notice the subtle posture change in 'Mariko' when 'John Blackthorne' says "He'll just take it from her..."? Brilliant direction; that one posture says it all - "Anjin-san, do NOT mistake our politeness for lack of strength!"
I miss the part when Blackthorne said Arigato Gozaimashita, and Fujiko corrected that its way too much of courtesy and he is enough to say Domo, but the Anjin-san says that in this particular case, he definitely does not find it too much of courtesy. A great line.
One of the best shows . Id love to watch it all again .
At the end of the video, he says dozo, but I can't help but hear "bitch".
Jesse Blackthorne
I like how in the new series, it's Fuji's suggestion to take the pistols
Given the importance of honour and loss of face, I’d say Omi’s behaviour and subsequent failure to seize either the pistol or prevent Blackthorne wearing his swords would have really been a kick in the teeth.
It was a massive kick in the teeth. The book explains that the only reason Omi didn't step forward and try to take the pistol anyway is because earlier that day, he had sworn to kill lord Yabu over a perceived serious insult to his family. He wouldn't be able to avenge said insult if Fujiko blew his brains out over what he considered to be a relatively minor issue, so he backed down and accepted being personally humbled in order to avenge his family's humiliation.
Maybe so, but he knows that in the same situation, far from home, on his honour, protecting the rights he has as a Serving Vassal of a High Lord . . . he would have done the very same thing.
If he had been in London, at that time, it was legal for Lords and their Servants to peacefully carry weapons about. He would have refused to relinquish his own.
Omi-sama THINKS Anjin-san might shoot him rather than surrender the pistol.
He KNOWS Fujiko-Dono will.
In the novel, Blackthorne thinks Fujiko is ugly when she is first assigned to be his consort. But the actress playing her here is jaw-droppingly beautiful.
One of the few scenes I liked from the series; however, Fujiko was fairly homely in the book, with sharp teeth. What made her beautiful in the Japanese sense was her fulfillment of her duties. Omi knew she'd pull the triggers because it would give her an excuse for the death she craved. It's too bad they left out the thanks Blackthorne gave her. It was an honorable way to thank her.
Please explain the "thanks" for those of us that have not read the book.
@@mr31337 Fujiko's husband and infant son were killed for the man's mistake, and their names were erased from ever living. Though she begged for death, Toranaga convinced Fujiko to stay alive as Blackthorne's consort for six months. She refused to extend the timeframe beyond that, even though she was pregnant with Blackthorne's child. But she fulfilled her duty and Toranaga gave her back her husband's name.
As to the thanks, when Fujiko had faced down Omi by making the threat to blow his head off, which she would have done, Blackthorne thanked her. Fujiko pointed out that the thanks he used was an excessive politeness; Blackthorne responded that in that case, it he didn't consider it excessive at all.
Clavell had a way of fleshing out his characters, using negative aspects as well as the positive ones to make them real. Fujiko, though a minor character, was literally brought to life as an example of samurai honor and fidelity.
It's been over 30 years since I read this, but I seem to remember she stayed alive and bore Blackthorne's children. There was some confusion as when Toranaga gave him the consort contract, he kept it, married her, and she bore him many children since they were born samurai. I know on the show, he passed the contract to her lover. In the book, the lover became diamo of the providence and forgot about her as worth it. The show pg13 many things.
@@christophermccarthy884if I'm not mistaken, Fujiko was given permission by Toranaga to die after she fulfilled her 6 months agreement of being Blackthorne's consort, as long as she made it look like an accident in her way back to whatever city she was going. Also, in the books Toranaga tells Kiku that she is to be Anjin's wife, that happens right at the end and nobody knew, not even Blackthorne, so I suppose Riko Anjin, the character that appears late in the series is descendant of Blackthorne and Kiku.
@lupuscinus I wasn't sure about Fujiko since she kept putting off aborting the baby. I did like how Clavel would tie his books together with characters. When he used an Angin as a ship construction magnate to interect with Ian Dunross in Noble House, I was amused.
Truly a show down, and Fujiko san is at the central of it.
I'm a simple man: I see Fujiko - I drop a like
Hahahaha! Very funny, Emilsrdoc3214-San. Arigatou Gozaimashita. 👍
Respect Anjin San - Domo
The only thing wrong with this wonderful sequence is how unceremoniously Chamberlain accepts the swords from Fuji-san. Surely he could taken a long moment to show that he understands the honor that has been bestowed on him.
Hai, CocoaCrispy-San. I agree, a longer moment, and a look of understanding on Anjin-San, with him then turning to Omi-San, would have been better. Excellent ideas and comments. Arigatou Gozaimashita. 👍
Nah not necessarily as remember Blackthorne, while clearly a very quick learner is still very new to all this here, and probably just sees them as merely very good weapons and the symbol of a Samurai at this stage, rather than fully understanding the deeper cultural meaning as he begins to later @@theshogunchannel
Anjin-sama: "I'm sorry, I'm not receiving your orders to surrender my guns. Must be low reception in here."
I just can’t feature hearing Richard Chamberlain saying, “tell this milk dribbling fuck smear I’m ready to go!”
Fujiko was beautiful 😮
That "Dozo" was really like a blow to the face 😂
Hai, DaneToTheBone-San. It truly was, along with the glare that he gave to Omi-San. Even with just the look, there was a lot of communication. Excellent Comment. Arigatogozaimashita.
She was once a wife of a samurai. She knows how to handle weapons.
According to Clavell, she later had someone teach her to shoot.
She was’nt only a wife of a samurai. She was a samurai herself. A damn good one.
She was Samurai* , in that she was of the Caste, had been married to a Samurai, and was obeying a Lords orders. She wasn't Anjin's consort by her own choice.
*The word literally means "Servant" and was taken as their caste-term BECAUSE anyone could be a soldier, anyone could learn Bushido, but only a SERVANT was "the pure thing".
She was samurai herself, she would do her duty.
Крайне напряженный эпизод. Анджин-сан прошол по краю. Фуджико-сан прекрасна.
Fujiko was such a beautiful consort!
I agree 100% She was my favorite!!! God bless you, Bro! 👍😃
She might have been beautiful, yes. But she has lost her husband and her son because of the actions. Her husband did to put the Lord in danger. In Japan, the crimes of the father are the crimes of the son.
Omi so intimidating with that death stare.
When you think about his position and his instructions, you know AT THAT POINT, he was a paper tiger.
He wasn't told "Go argue with the guest" or "Go and TRY to escort Anjin-san here". He was told to "Go summon Anjin-san here, and escort him". ANYTHING else but that happening was him failing his duty. He only objected to the pistol because he knew Anjin-san wasn't permitted to carry it about, and that was also his duty to ensure.
So the glare was not death, but merely admission of impotence.
I remember this scene in the book. At this moment Anjin-san began to grow fond of Fujiko, I think.
Omi-san was not concerned because the flintlock was not cocked. Also, that version of a handgun wasn't produced until the early 19th century. In the early 17th Century the pistols were wheel locks
Could have also been a Snaplock which was becoming a thing around that time but the physical pistol shown is too advanced for the time period indeed
Blackthorne was prepared to use it so we can take it as read it was.
@@colingoldie9173 Blackthorne was prepared to use it *so we can take it as read it was* . Hoo-kay. I'm sure that statement had something to do with a wheel lock pistol.
It was as Clavell described it in the book. ( He can write what he liked as it's his story).
This series is epic!!!!!!!!
The new version just lacks the soul of this one :( , but I can rewatch here :)
I love the new version. However, there is something lacking from it, which I can't quite place my finger on.
Strewth...
I respectfully disagree, both the scenes of John refusing to give up his guns and later Fuji-sama gifting her father swords to him had much more emotion and the required gravitas in the new series.
@@carlost856 we have to agree to disagree
The new one is funny when Blackthorne says "nonsense, they carry swords everywhere."
they keep saying, "we're-kinda-messed-up!"....NO KIDDING!!
Fujiko éra una muñeca de porcelana. Éra hermosa
Omi is defiantly miffed.
He was mad, because there was nothing he could do. Because of blackthorn’s rank all he could do is report it.
Yeah, but he let it go because he had already decided to kill Yabu, so he had bigger fish to fry.
I swear as a kid after reading the books and watching this show I really thought I could speak Japanese.
And me after watching the film. I think everyone thought that 🙂
l love richard chamberlain.tank you.❤❤❤💝😍😘💝😍😘💝😍😘💝😍😘💝😍😘💝😍😘💝😍😘❤❤❤❤
This is like trying to get a 2-year old to put his shoes on.
😂😂😂😂
Yes but at the same time he had to make a stand so he would not be treated to lightly in the future
Well very good and unlike the new Disney version it is not raining
lol, and it’s not always dark either. The new series suffers the same problem as the new Dune, a lack of colour!
Good luck filming in British Columbia when it's NOT raining
If Blackthorne threatens to blow someone's head off, that basically means that he's carrying a loaded weapon at all times pointing at his crotch. It also means that he has only one shot. That's not safe firearms handling.
those weapons you had no choice, but to carry loaded as loading it when needed took time. They were difficult to accidentally ignite too as they needed to be manually cocked.
Me gustaría ver la escena donde la tripulación presos deben escoger la rama más corta para sacrificar a uno de ellos.
I think I would have uncocked that pistol before handing it to the consort lol😁
Ikr, and then he stands in the line of fire, lol
if that was A.B., Omi-San would have had two musketballs in the face already. 😵
In the Japanese masculine society, no man would ever surrender his macho phallic symbols. Now instead of one tiny pistol, Anjin-San is carrying two long swords instead.
actor in the 80's version gives off more masculinity or physicality then in this shogun. They make him too whimpy.
You're the first one to notice that detail. A fella warned about this too. That's one reason I'm keeping my distance from 2024's version.
Wow much better than the new version. I wonder why didnt they include this detail in the remake. It will be much better.
No translation needed....
The 2024 Shogun version: ruclips.net/video/2r16g4eRJIg/видео.html
Domo, Grim Viper-San. I have been very busy, but I will upload a side-by-side comparison. Arigatogozaimasu. 👍
Anjin San was a bit of a prick in this scene.
Hai, Ranger Dave-San. I agree with you. Arigatogozaimashita. 👍
Yes but he had to earn their respect, even if it was foolish
No he wasn’t, he was standing up for himself, he listened to everything he was told and acted on Mariko’s advice to make use of his consort.
If he was being a prick he would’ve disregarded everything, mostly likely have shot Omi and finished up dead.
A man in feudal Japanese society had to stand up for himself, he did exactly that.
Shogun was the only decent thing that Richard Chamberlain has done!
He was great in "The Thorn Birds" and "The Count of Monte Cristo" too ! If you haven't seen them, defenitely do !
@@XiaoP76 - Yes I have seen both and I stand by my first comment!
@@bryanduncan1640 Fair enough. I don't share your opinion.
@@XiaoP76 - my god, you’ll be mentioning Dr Kildare next!
@@bryanduncan1640 Quite some people think that he did more quality work than just Shogun.
- The Count of Monte Cristo: 76% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 5000+ ratings.
- The Thorn Birds: Golden Globe Award for Best Actor in a Miniseries or Motion Picture Made for Television
I haven't seen Dr. Kildare 😀
Hes not samurai and can't wear the 2 swords
Hai Sean-San. Apparently, because Anjin-San was made Hatamoto (Special Retainer on Lord Toranaga's Personal Staff), he was allowed to wear the 2 swords. Otherwise, you are absolutely correct. The Special Hatamoto Status allowed for the 2 swords.
My parents loved this mini-series when I was a kid...but I still think the acting is terrible!
Same with Anthony Hopkins' acting in that old war movie The Bunker. Terrible terrible acting!
Only Chamberlain, but not neccesarily because of his capabilities as an actor, rather because the terrible script of his character. All the Japanese actors are playing great in the entire series. Maybe Mariko looks a bit lame sometimes, but in general, Shimada also nailed it.
Nice powerful scene . .
It's one thing to get swords; it's another thing to know how to use them.
If you merely learn to draw them smoothly and without effort, and keep a calm heart and firm purpose, you DO know how to use them, in Japanese culture.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 It's nice when things are simple.
Maybe.....Blackthorne had been to war and was a sailor(duh) so he would have at least some familiarity with bladed weapons. His European style of combat might give someone Japanese an unpleasant surprise.....or might have ended up dead that much faster
@Thor_Odinson It's one of the few "things" that I have about Shogun.
The real life Blackthorne would not have had a chance against a Samurai, at least not initially.
European metallurgy and swordsmanship would've been laughable to them as well.
@@williamphillips6049 While it is most likely true that Blackthrone if a trained swordsman using a Katana would be at a large disadvantage using it against a skilled Samurai if he had a European sword such as a long sword or rapier it would largely be up to the skill of the swordsman to adopt to the different styles of swordsmanship.
A Katan is a quick draw weapon and would have an advantage in close up fighting. A longsword and rapier have more reach. A rapier is more of a thrust weapon that allows for more maneuverability to parry and deflect. Depending on the rapier some can even cut also the basket provides defense. Longsword duel edge can be an issue if a Samurai is not use to fighting such a weapon. Longsword has disadvantage in close up but can be used short handed as well as using the hilt as a club. A Katana has the speed of the draw and the curved blade for slashing attacks. In the end the Longsword and Katana are not to far apart when it comes to a sword its mainly the style of the use of the blade. So a skilled European Swordsman and a Japanese Samurai would come down to the individual swordsman and their experience. Now adding fighting with a rapier with two weapons the rapier swordsman gains probably the advantage between two equally skilled swordsman. A Japanese sensei on RUclips going against a rapier with a Katana said the trust of the rapier is "scary" since it can thrust so quickly and suddenly. In the end Blackthrone inexperience with a Katana he would loose easily even if he was a trained swordsman but using a sword he was familiar with it would then be up to the individual.
The remake is Rat Shit. This honors the novel.