Long time Viggen pilot and fan here (I fly it more or less exclusively on the 107th.) And I'll say this regarding the Viggen's difficulty. Cap's spot on. However, I think we could add just a bit of context for those who might be put off by that. The Viggen is all about preparation, and that's where Cap is right in that you can't simply fly off and expect to be fully effective. The most important time spent in the plane will be setting it up on the ground, which, once you're proficient and understand the concepts behind why the control are they way they are, It'll become very intuitive. But that's where the learning curve is. It's steep in the beginning, then drops off. Once you're in the air, If the jet is set correctly, it's *stupid* easy. I find the Hornet far more complicated currently than I do the Viggen, and I feel bad for how little I have to do in an op whereas the Hornet drivers are going through countless procedures. Startup is literally 4 switches and a throttle movement. Done. The HUD gives you just the right information you need to do your job in the moment and avoids "information overload". Navigation is a breeze, and on strike missions I'm able to spend most of my time looking out of the cockpit for threats than having to check tons of things. There's very little you need to do once airborne. You spend more time flying than managing controls, which is what we should be doing. =) But the initial difficulty is all in that setup. Master that, and you've mastered the Viggen. Get a good kneeboard mod from DCS, grab a QFE calculator, and Chuck's Guide, and you'll be good to go. P.S. The radio *does* suck though, sadly.
Hello sir and I'm pleased to hear about someone who actually flew the real plane! Now, I'm not looking to talk about myself, but as an AE and aerodynamicist (worked for a while for some programs at a high speed wind tunnel), I can say that after the measurements and tests that I've done on the DCS Viggen, I concluded that it's the most remarkably well simulated aircraft in the whole DCS, Belsimtek's products in DCS being only slightly below it in terms of flight model realism. The plane's accelerations along and about the 3 axis at various aerodynamic angles (AoA and Beta) and speeds, prove that a very high care has been taken in developing the flight model accurately. This proves that on the right hands, DCS can be a good platform for correct simulations!
100 hours in game and "a couple modules" bro I had like 200 before I bought my first
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Btw, it says in game that the AJS 37 Viggen is from 1991. Yes but... The attack version of the Viggen, AJ 37, first flew in 1967 and looked pretty much exactly the same. The fighter version, JA 37, came in 1979, looked completely different and was one of the best fighters in the world, only really contested by the latest US teen series fighters coming online at about the same time. It had a proper pulse doppler radar, three large multi function dispays instead of all the steam gauges, a much more powerful engine with extra compressor stages that could handle high alfa without compressor stall and a built in cannon. Now THAT is a plane I’d like to see on the Cold war servers. 😈 The 1991 AJS 37 was just a hasty upgrade of the old attack Viggen, to serve as a stop gap, waiting for the new JAS 39 Gripen to enter service. It was taken out of service again in less than ten years. The upgrade was done to accomodate the Rb-15, that was being developed for the JAS 39 Gripen as well as the Bk-90 and the Rb-75 Maverick missile. Hence all the strange, crudely welded on bits and pieces in the cockpit, like the Maverick sight and the lables on the weapon selector knobs. I never understood why Heatblur opted for the AJS 37 instead of the real AJ 37, JA 37 or the JAS 39 A. I guess it comes down to the charm of something that seem to be built in someones garage.
Yes, I totally agree, JA 37Di with AIM-120B (I believe) would be a blast in DCS. It was retired in part due to high operating costs, but mostly because of the Eternal Peace beliefs of politicians in the early naughts. It was also not to far behind the JAS 39A I have heard.
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Grim Reapers Yeah. The JAS39 Gripen was delayed when the first prototype had some embarresingly spectacular displays of bugs and glitches to its fly-by-wire and thats why the Viggen hastily had to be upgraded to carry on for a few more years. ruclips.net/video/k6yVU_yYtEc/видео.html
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If you’re interested in more SAAB Aero tech. Two SAAB test pilots dialogue about flying the JAS 39 Gripen. (English subtitles) The first Gripen pilot, 31 years ago and the current Gripen test pilot. ruclips.net/video/H72tSqaDiKI/видео.html
I tried a Viggen simulator in a museum some years ago. That ratteling sound in high g is a warning system inside the joystick. It vibrates and hit your fingers, hurts a bit
I think you nailed some of the things that would downrate the Viggen in DCS for most people. That treshold to get over with learning the systems probably is one of the biggest hurdles. As for sounds I remember from my childhood, maybe I was like 12 years old or something. Standing on a mountainside and 3 Viggens comming in low in formation turning 90 degrees straight up right above me. I could look up and see straight into the engines going full burners. The sound was just unbelievable and the ground under my feet was shaking.
I love the Viggen, despite not being a Viking. I read an account written by an RAF pilot who was on an exchange tour with the Flygvapnet - the RAF doctrine of the time was for very low flying, but he was amazed by the Swedish pilots routinely flying at 30m and Mach 0.95 in foul weather.
@@colderwar The training missions of the Viggen pilots were deliberately held at very realistic wartime level. But it also resultet in many pilots being lost. So it had a high price.
Yeah, thats my first thought too. Viggen is a very laod plane. A real flyby at st3 probleby kills most speakers and make you deaf. About turning it lost speed, but that you all can see on most clips. Rock steady to fly, deasant turnradius at time it was better than most. Love your work CAP and I have met a lot who worked in and with Viggen. Great work again.
Cap, I do agree that the Viggen is a difficult aircraft but it's easier nowdays when it comes to the bombing. To get the QFE you can add the waypoints on the map and then load it in the cartridge. Not having an easy way to get this in the earlier days of the module probably scared a few people off.
Thanks great review as usual. I’d love to see also a new quality rating in your next reviews, i.e. “Training Quality”. Some planes have practical extensive training missions, while some others rely on manuals even for some key procedures, offering a lesser interactive learning experience. I am afraid the Viggen is of the latter type. Some modules even come with nice mini-campaigns to play as a bonus, to further improve the learning curve, something I think is worth mentioning in the review.
The Viggen has two great campaigns and I have played one (5 missions), easy but good, the hard part is making your own training. Takeoff and landing is still hard after doing everything I can do in this jet, except ELINT (too much for me now). Viggen is my favorite of all moduels I have trialed, F-14, F-18 or MiG-21 is my next if I need to learn more deep moduels (looking at you F-14 systems and flight in the difficult MiG flight model). F-18 really more for the loadouts... This moduel must be among the best in terms of reward and feeling, maybe only beaten by a night bomb and air to air mission at night with a rio in the F-14 on carriers and air refuel, or a MiG-21 intercept to beat modern planes in valleys and clouds. Viggen is there with asymetrical battles and forward bases with anything from SAM location recon missions (ELINT), anti ship strikes, runway bombings, gun pod strafes, rocket attacks, manual guided anti ground/air and ship missiles, EO missiles against bunkers, tanks and even helicopters/jets, gliding cluster bombs against bases and ECM loadouts combined with much of mentioned above against sams while operating at 300ft maximum. Also, the takeoff and landing is too fun. You can land on near less than 1500ft and even carriers if you train.
Great video, Grim. Thinking of this one for my first jet. I only have the Ka-50 and a couple of WW2 aircraft. Flying low and fast appeals to me. Had to laugh when I saw the canopy fly in the air. Your reaction was so British haha.
The Viggen's radar can actually be used in air to air (both for ranging and for spotting targets at long range), and in fact the scope changes slightly to facilitate that if you select the air to air missiles from your weapon selector. You just need to be at high enough altitude that you won't get ground returns.
@@grimreapers You are welcome! And yea, it's kind of why the J (for fighter in Swedish) is still in the designation. There's an interview here of a former Viggen driver ruclips.net/video/aEht4Uu70fc/видео.html who says AJ-37 pilot were expected to fly interception missions, even though it wasn't their main role.
I have to agree 100% with you CAP, If you want to use and fly the AJS37 and be even some what effective in it, it take serious reading and practice. So you're spot on, it is not a easy plane to fly. I'll back you on that any time and I love that plane to death but I'm not married to that or it, I know how to be objective. And I'm Swedish that grew up with Draken and was there when AJS37 was put to service to replace the "Draken", to fly it as a Sessna or private jet transport from A to B it's not so hard. But anyone that say AJS37 is easy to learn how to use as it was made to be used, have serious flight(sim) background and most likely understand Swedish very well. Or is not being objective. Keep them good videos rolling.
Iff cap says to the hornet that it is bad for beginner's forget about it(if you go and watch 2 hours about the hornet's basics on youtube you can do it by your self)🙃👍
Regarding the Weapons: RB-05A = Swedish designed and built missile uses liquid fuel to be completely smokeless it's basically the best MCLOS missile ever built but MCLOS is still terrible. RB-75 = AGM-65 Maverick "A" model BK90 = DWS90 developed by Sweden and Germany. (the old computer in the Viggen limits the range and release altitude) RB24 = AIM-9B Sidewinder RB24J = AIM-9J Sidewinder (basically) RB74 = AIM-9L Sidewinder at first it was named RB24L but since the pylon is different it was renamed to RB74 Bombs = built by bofors and of Swedish origin. Rockets = also designed and built by bofors RB-04E = Swedish anti ship missile rebuilt and upgraded from the RB-04D used by the Lansen since the early 60's RBS-15F = Swedish anti ship missile from the 1980's The entire AJS modernization more or less came about because of a delay in the JAS39 Gripen program as the BK90 and RBS-15 had already been delivered and where collecting dust so it was decided to fit these weapons to the Viggen. It was discussed if one should put computers in the weapons pylons for the BK90 and RBS-15 but it was decided to upgrade the weapons computer on the Viggen. This increase in computer power led to a number of other features being possible to program in and this is what became the AJS-37 upgrade.
I think its kind of strange that some one in the dcs straff decides to, among all the great fighter jets of the world make our good old viggen. Hats of from Sweden.
The RB 05 is still probably one of the most fun weapons to use in DCS (in my opinion). To this day one of my best all time kills was two helicopters with two RB 05s during the span of one multiplayer sortie!
With the new way of auto creating waypoints this plane is far less intimidating and by far my favourite plane on DCS. Also probably the easiest start of procedure of any plane.
@@gabewaters6178 go to the F10 map, add a marker and write attack. Go to your kneeboard and it will show up as attack point. Then insert your cartridge and load it up works pretty well.
27:15 You're talking about the hud asking if any of us could tell what all the random lines mean. I own the plane, but haven't tried to learn it yet, but based on what you've said so far, it seems like much of the hud is trying to describe to the pilot where the ground is. The vertical lines on the right seem to be following the terrain closest to the plane. the horizontal seems to have a range, and it's telling you up to its range it's clear where there is a hor. line. It's not super intuitive unless you were told the plane has the ability to assist you through terrain at night.
Love this and the last video keep up the good work! I hope you can do the F-5 soon since I am trying to convince a friend of mine to get it but I feel you would be better at showing it off than me :)
I find it funny how CAP at first didn't wanted to do a Vid on the Viggen and the needed to buy it for him so he did vids on it. And look now ... I think he likes the Viggen.
Awesome video and i love the Viggen....but i'm not going to defend it....because i agree with most things Cap said except 1 thing i wouldn't call this model hard....exotic i think is better and why i say that is because it's one of a kind of airplane and yes it's going to take time to learn things but that's how it is with most things (if i fly russian planes i have to look up what type of bomb i should use 7/10 times because i can't remember what the codes mean) with the Viggen it takes time to learn stuff and there's more to this plane then meets the eye but once you've learnt it it's easy to remember because the system is simple sure it takes time to set things up but that's what you get without digital systems pity Cap couldn't get the engine to "pump" as that is a so cool that they've modeled it except when you're trying to dodge SAM's and mountains lol
i have problems flying the viggen, i do the startup sequence, taxi, and when i take off, the viggen just starts wobbeling around and i have to really struggle and fight to keep the plane flying straight, i do not have this issue with any other aircraft, anyone know what could be the problem? Thanks in advance
26:58 , why we have done this? Because Sweden is not in NATO this is a pure Swedish plane made with very little influence from other countries. The HUD is actually way more complicated than it seem since instead of numbers it relays information by Visuals. So to truly master the HUD you need to read up on what all the visual do and mean in the different modes, just like you said in the video it is one more thing to learn though. (Not saying i'm any good at it either though...I agree that it is upmost confusing but it works as intended for being such and old plane)
I think that the development, modeling, programming and sfx should be put under the glass and not the plane itself compared to other modules since if DCS: f-35 comes out tomorrow, like magic, it will outclass everything
i've been looking for a review of each plane with these kind of ratings, my only critique is it's super long, i get theirs a lot to cover but for newer players, i feel keeping it simple would be better, going into so much detail is more educational towards vets who probably know most the info anyways. Just my 2cents.
When discussing the non-powered cruise missile, you gave it an aprox. range of 8 miles, but wouldn't the range of any gliding weapon be almost entirely dependent of the altitude and speed at time of release? Good review, btw - thanks for your all your work!
Imagine having to read the manual of a simulated strike aircraft to in order to use it effectively ? goes against the whole ethos of DCS - which is throwing AMRAAMS around like confetti and lobbing JSOW's at targets 70 miles away :)))
CAP, Can you include joystick/HOTAS animation in your Interactivity/detail category? Seems like lots of modules don’t show the buttons/switches move when you press them. Good series btw.
@@droneforfun5384 That was actually a dive bomb system with a reflector sight which have been around since before WW2. The BT-2 was one of the first such dive bomb sights (1942) and had some unique features (toss bombing). Later versions were exported and even license-manufactured by the US in the 1950s.There is not a whole lot of information about it online but I found a couple of pages with some snippets: www.aef.se/Avionik/Notiser/Bombsikten_2_3_9_9C.htm (Swedish) www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-m-42-bombsight.13203/ (English)
Your tutorials are the best available! But, being a noob. How about something that will help someone like me, that comes from a military aviation background, and is just starting in the DCS. World. What would be the first purchase, ( other than flaming cliffs!?)
I like the review but the argument that it's so different from modern system is unfair, it was the first fighter in the world with a digital navigation computer and it had no chance to display all information on the hud, it had to show the most important stuff for each selected mode and nothing else. I'm an old fart and Swedish and built some of the control boxes in that fighter so I have a strong bias :-) The jamming systems can't be simulated right for any fighter in a game, they include secrets harvested by respective nations spy agents. We will never know if they worked either. Viggen was designed (with help from USA.) to defend against Russian weapons of the time. High speed at low altitude was be best calculated strategy.
I suspect it's a matter of some opinion, but the HUD actually does display a lot of information if you know what the symbology means. What I find relaxing about the HUD is that it displays the "relevant" information, and keeps the HUD uncluttered. There's no "information overload" in the HUD, just what you need when you need it. See Rafidude's review of the Viggen for a good explanation of this.
I understand the F-14 CADC used the first digital microprocessor (IC) ever created (disputed by Intel with their 4004), while the CK-47 used discrete digital components (MLE) by Fairchild.
Viggen was my first hi fi module after Ka50. On my first flight I ripped the wings off with negative G using what felt like only slight forward stick pressure supersonic on the deck. Is the Viggen very weak when it comes to negative G?
I accidentally held 12.5 G for 1 second and came out of that alive. I think the wings are strong enough but it is just very easy to turn too hard and you don't really get much warning in the game. Just something you have to get used to. Edit: oops just realized you were talking about negative not positive G. Can't really say but it never happened to me but I don't do very hard negative G in any plane.
Pulling hard G's at low level and supersonic isn't good with an ac that has a rather big wing area. At low altitude the air is dense and will strain the wings. The 37 has alot of power at low altitudes and will kill you if you are not mindful of your speed and G's. :)
27:17 Well the hud if different because we in sweden didn't think about standardizing who what other nations had because we aren't in nato and it was made for the deference of sweden so it's different because we fought it work and with the same about of training you will learn it as good as an nato hud
Saab's point of view is that they try to use symbology instead of numbers. This is to decease workload for the pilot and make it intuative. For example, how the approach speed is shown in the HUD.
@@droneforfun5384 This is also one of the reasons road signs in Europe uses symbology. Reading text takes a different (slower) route through the brain than when you recognise symbols.
Seen to me some ordinance missing, i do remember that Viggen had RB-71 (Sky Flash) which is an intermediate range AA missile: www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Notiser/Robot71/Robot71_Notis2.htm (Swedish, use google translate). Apart from being Swedish, the main cool thing about Viggen is the thrust reverser. Land on a common road less than 400 meters (1/4 mile) = no problemo.
Also, there were 3 versions of Viggen: J = Jakt (Hunt = Fighter) A = Attack S = Spaning (Recon) J.A.S. (But they called it AJS) .And now you know what the requirements of the recent JAS-39 Gripen fighter was when it was designed
As for the sound, yes - it is too quiet. Imagine that rumbling sound in the cockpit + that crackling sound you heard when it flew away from you at around 30 DB higher - that is how i remember the Viggen from Airshows. You could FEEL it, standing on the ground as it flew past the audience. I think the J35 Draken (dragon) gave the same feeling.
I just cannot understand why the developers didn't make the camo pattern correct instead of making up something on their own. The Viggen's FOA ('splinter') camouflage pattern was designed by appointed specialists and artists, and was applied 100% identical on each airframe from the factory. The DCS Viggen camo pattern is definitely inspired by the real FOA camo, but very far from accurate and even violates some of the obtuse/acute angle definitions. Not sure why, when everything else is so painstakingly exact even down to the sounds of the buttons in the cockpit.
You've put the wrong score sheet in the description, it says that its for the Harrier. Edit: Never mind I just realised that you can switch at the bottom...
I have to disagree on the diffleculty. The Viggen is propably the easiest plane to learn with the F5e, with the exception of the RB-15. Easy to learn and hard to master.
22:15 I immediately looked for a real full burner takeoff ruclips.net/video/fBE41A9VT3Q/видео.html Sounds fairly close. Maybe it’s just a Viggen thing?
oh my Viggen....over 1 year not flown. I still can start it up and fly and land it it but forgot nearly everything how to use these complicated weapons with shit barometric heightmeasure and waypoints.....frustrating !! That´s why i really like to have a 2 seater model with every model with a instructor behind you like F14´s "jester" who you could ask things like Radar using or weapon settings and so on !! The only weapon i liked on this was the big anti ship rocket with wings and the rocket pods. But as a STOL Fighter with parking in backwards it was a "must have" for me , and it stil is !! Harrier ?....i dont like it, dont know why but it seems pretty slow and sluggish.
39:43 Despite I respect your opinion, I see this differently. This is a simulator, not a game! That said, it has to simulate events as they (would) happen in real life. Otherwise, they could change the name from DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) to DCAG (Digital Combat Arcade Game). However, I do think they should put a mechanism to warn the simmer that he is pulling high G. For example, they could add a vignette effect in this case.
@@grimreapers never thought you would actually see my comment! Lol Thanks for everything you put out there, you are helping this community a lot and helped me personally when first comming to DCS. 🤜
Sound seems way off, Viggen rumbles really low in real world. Most videos on yt don't show of the real sound since they use low pass filters for wind noise. If the ghost logo is to be used it should be with the 10 designation. :)
I just can't agree on the difficulty. I may be a Viggen fan, but I have no issue with it being criticized. It's far from a perfect plane or module. That said, I learned the damn thing in 2 hours using only the in-game tutorials/training missions. That's including take-off, landing, navigation and weapons deployment of all weapons. By contrast, it took me two weeks to learn the Mirage 2000, a week to learn the F-5 and so far over a week to learn half of what's possible in the JF-17. I trialed the Harrier, which people said was easy, and I just did not get it. Part of this has to do with the teaching methods of the in-game training tutorials varying greatly from module to module. The Viggen's were to-the-point, no nonsense and no mil-sim fluff. "Here's how you do this, here's an easy mission to do it in, now do it." I should read manuals, but only do so partly and as a last resort... Except in the Viggen. I never needed to even consider it. The few things not covered by the tutorials were easy to find on RUclips. I think most people are F-teens guys who drill themselves so hard on those jets that anything different throws them off. But if you -actually- want to learn the Viggen, and are allergic to manuals, play the training missions in DCS then look up how to make a custom data cartridge on RUclips, and you're mostly set!
Ripping wings and blacking out is because u fly saitek stick, no extension and probanly all on top of your desk. Build a proper setup CAP, you deserve it and need it.
5 лет назад+1
We need to locate a retired Viggen pilot who plays DCS.
We actually have a retired Viggen pilot flying with us in NOSIG. Not going to out him here, but it's always great when he's flying with us. In terms of flight model I believe he says it's quite close to the real thing, or at least good enough. Minor detail that caught my eye. The plane you're in is from F6, my old airbase, but the insignia on the tail "red ghost" is from F10. The F6 planes got transferred to F10, but I'd expect the number on the nose would have been changed during transfer. Also, I doubt that we had 06 flying at F6, but I could be wrong about that.
Same here lol, but I bought the A-10C and the KA-50. Barely touched em, recently reinstalled and did some training in the F-15 though. So I'll probably go through brainfuckery of learning the A-10.
Like does this game only have old aircrafts to use or is there all new genaration of aircraft as watch u channel alot and the planes are so old lol thanks GR
DCS world can't have modern aircrafts because of the secret informations about their weapons and systems. Probably the newest plane that is available in DCS is the F/A-18C hornet (about year 2005 variant) and their upcoming F-16C will be a year 2007 variant.
Am I the only one to have negative experiences with Viggen? I don't have the module, but I set up many guns-only dogfight scenarios, like F/A-18 vs Viggen, F-15 vs Viggen, etc... AI-controlled Viggen can circle around with speed above 700 knots and pull over 10G! (it's visible on F2 external view). So who is in the cockpit? A swedish terminator? In my opinion, developers should take into account the aircraft's limitations also for AI-controlled planes. That's the reason I haven't bought it yet.
Pls cap pls PLS! Don't do a review on the hornet unless you don't die on the first missile that get's fired on you, and review for example the knew PLID option on the sa page. 👍(Everyone who reads this comment, the Hornet is easy to fly/learn even if you are knew to DCS and iff you are cap (if he would learn)thx)
Id say the hornet is easy to pick up and easy to fly, but theres alot to learn with all the different settings and controls for the full experience. Its the only plane i ended up printing off pages from the manual to read and learn on my lunch break at work. Its one of those you can pick up in half an hour but takes you 12 months to master haha
@@Tinman452 nope i fly it now for 1 month and i know what every button does and I know how to use them and I know every weppon+ I don't printed out anything😎(with the help of RUclips videos, this is more efficient than the manual and you don't need to do it at your break👍)
Ey please CAP stop complaining about the feedback sounds, if they not IRL we don't want them. We have Buttkickers n stuff for that. Nobody needs unrealistic sounds ! It is a matter of your home pit not DCS.
Long time Viggen pilot and fan here (I fly it more or less exclusively on the 107th.) And I'll say this regarding the Viggen's difficulty. Cap's spot on. However, I think we could add just a bit of context for those who might be put off by that.
The Viggen is all about preparation, and that's where Cap is right in that you can't simply fly off and expect to be fully effective. The most important time spent in the plane will be setting it up on the ground, which, once you're proficient and understand the concepts behind why the control are they way they are, It'll become very intuitive. But that's where the learning curve is. It's steep in the beginning, then drops off.
Once you're in the air, If the jet is set correctly, it's *stupid* easy. I find the Hornet far more complicated currently than I do the Viggen, and I feel bad for how little I have to do in an op whereas the Hornet drivers are going through countless procedures. Startup is literally 4 switches and a throttle movement. Done. The HUD gives you just the right information you need to do your job in the moment and avoids "information overload". Navigation is a breeze, and on strike missions I'm able to spend most of my time looking out of the cockpit for threats than having to check tons of things. There's very little you need to do once airborne. You spend more time flying than managing controls, which is what we should be doing. =)
But the initial difficulty is all in that setup. Master that, and you've mastered the Viggen. Get a good kneeboard mod from DCS, grab a QFE calculator, and Chuck's Guide, and you'll be good to go.
P.S. The radio *does* suck though, sadly.
lol roger thx
^^^^Show this guy some love people! I found his comment VERY helpful in making a purchasing decision, along with Grim's video. Thanks guys!
I dont mind difficulty. Ive only got the a10c and i love it. So im looking for my second module.. what would you guys recommend?
@@bartacomuskidd775 thunder.
Hello sir and I'm pleased to hear about someone who actually flew the real plane! Now, I'm not looking to talk about myself, but as an AE and aerodynamicist (worked for a while for some programs at a high speed wind tunnel), I can say that after the measurements and tests that I've done on the DCS Viggen, I concluded that it's the most remarkably well simulated aircraft in the whole DCS, Belsimtek's products in DCS being only slightly below it in terms of flight model realism. The plane's accelerations along and about the 3 axis at various aerodynamic angles (AoA and Beta) and speeds, prove that a very high care has been taken in developing the flight model accurately. This proves that on the right hands, DCS can be a good platform for correct simulations!
As someone who only have a couple modules and less than 100 hours in game. this series is gold
Thanks Holmes
100 hours in game and "a couple modules" bro I had like 200 before I bought my first
Btw, it says in game that the AJS 37 Viggen is from 1991. Yes but...
The attack version of the Viggen, AJ 37, first flew in 1967 and looked pretty much exactly the same.
The fighter version, JA 37, came in 1979, looked completely different and was one of the best fighters in the world, only really contested by the latest US teen series fighters coming online at about the same time. It had a proper pulse doppler radar, three large multi function dispays instead of all the steam gauges, a much more powerful engine with extra compressor stages that could handle high alfa without compressor stall and a built in cannon. Now THAT is a plane I’d like to see on the Cold war servers. 😈
The 1991 AJS 37 was just a hasty upgrade of the old attack Viggen, to serve as a stop gap, waiting for the new JAS 39 Gripen to enter service. It was taken out of service again in less than ten years. The upgrade was done to accomodate the Rb-15, that was being developed for the JAS 39 Gripen as well as the Bk-90 and the Rb-75 Maverick missile. Hence all the strange, crudely welded on bits and pieces in the cockpit, like the Maverick sight and the lables on the weapon selector knobs.
I never understood why Heatblur opted for the AJS 37 instead of the real AJ 37, JA 37 or the JAS 39 A. I guess it comes down to the charm of something that seem to be built in someones garage.
Interesting. Thx
Yeah the JA 37 would've been an instant buy from me.
Yes, I totally agree, JA 37Di with AIM-120B (I believe) would be a blast in DCS. It was retired in part due to high operating costs, but mostly because of the Eternal Peace beliefs of politicians in the early naughts. It was also not to far behind the JAS 39A I have heard.
Grim Reapers
Yeah. The JAS39 Gripen was delayed when the first prototype had some embarresingly spectacular displays of bugs and glitches to its fly-by-wire and thats why the Viggen hastily had to be upgraded to carry on for a few more years.
ruclips.net/video/k6yVU_yYtEc/видео.html
If you’re interested in more SAAB Aero tech.
Two SAAB test pilots dialogue about flying the JAS 39 Gripen. (English subtitles) The first Gripen pilot, 31 years ago and the current Gripen test pilot.
ruclips.net/video/H72tSqaDiKI/видео.html
The Viggen's onboard countermeasure system is called Stage 3 😉
HA HA... ^^ ) So it is.. :P
lols
Lulz
do you mean about that saab 9-3 viggen?
@@mikkihintikka7273 does that one come with a 3 stage afterburner?
I tried a Viggen simulator in a museum some years ago. That ratteling sound in high g is a warning system inside the joystick. It vibrates and hit your fingers, hurts a bit
I think you nailed some of the things that would downrate the Viggen in DCS for most people. That treshold to get over with learning the systems probably is one of the biggest hurdles. As for sounds I remember from my childhood, maybe I was like 12 years old or something. Standing on a mountainside and 3 Viggens comming in low in formation turning 90 degrees straight up right above me. I could look up and see straight into the engines going full burners. The sound was just unbelievable and the ground under my feet was shaking.
I love the Viggen, despite not being a Viking. I read an account written by an RAF pilot who was on an exchange tour with the Flygvapnet - the RAF doctrine of the time was for very low flying, but he was amazed by the Swedish pilots routinely flying at 30m and Mach 0.95 in foul weather.
@@colderwar The training missions of the Viggen pilots were deliberately held at very realistic wartime level. But it also resultet in many pilots being lost. So it had a high price.
The sound from all car alarms was fun too.
Yeah, thats my first thought too. Viggen is a very laod plane. A real flyby at st3 probleby kills most speakers and make you deaf. About turning it lost speed, but that you all can see on most clips. Rock steady to fly, deasant turnradius at time it was better than most. Love your work CAP and I have met a lot who worked in and with Viggen. Great work again.
Yeah, caralarms, minkfarms and Windows 😁 But it was freedom and safty too.
Also: The way it fly and fights makes the best and most exiting videos. The videos were the Cap is in the Viggen are by far my favorites.
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Agreed. Cap is always happy in his Viggen.
Best aircraft ever made. Period.
I concur. Those are my favorite videos too. I still remember the suicide run to kill the red AWACS in S-300 coverage, that was something.
Cap, I do agree that the Viggen is a difficult aircraft but it's easier nowdays when it comes to the bombing. To get the QFE you can add the waypoints on the map and then load it in the cartridge.
Not having an easy way to get this in the earlier days of the module probably scared a few people off.
Copy good point
The Viggen HUD gives you the information you need at the moment, other huds gives you information you may need tomorrow. 😉
The thing I love about the interior sound, is the way the plane kinda sings to you... no other plane I've flown does this. Ooo bubleee ooo...
Thanks great review as usual. I’d love to see also a new quality rating in your next reviews, i.e. “Training Quality”. Some planes have practical extensive training missions, while some others rely on manuals even for some key procedures, offering a lesser interactive learning experience. I am afraid the Viggen is of the latter type.
Some modules even come with nice mini-campaigns to play as a bonus, to further improve the learning curve, something I think is worth mentioning in the review.
The Viggen has two great campaigns and I have played one (5 missions), easy but good, the hard part is making your own training.
Takeoff and landing is still hard after doing everything I can do in this jet, except ELINT (too much for me now).
Viggen is my favorite of all moduels I have trialed, F-14, F-18 or MiG-21 is my next if I need to learn more deep moduels (looking at you F-14 systems and flight in the difficult MiG flight model). F-18 really more for the loadouts...
This moduel must be among the best in terms of reward and feeling, maybe only beaten by a night bomb and air to air mission at night with a rio in the F-14 on carriers and air refuel, or a MiG-21 intercept to beat modern planes in valleys and clouds. Viggen is there with asymetrical battles and forward bases with anything from SAM location recon missions (ELINT), anti ship strikes, runway bombings, gun pod strafes, rocket attacks, manual guided anti ground/air and ship missiles, EO missiles against bunkers, tanks and even helicopters/jets, gliding cluster bombs against bases and ECM loadouts combined with much of mentioned above against sams while operating at 300ft maximum. Also, the takeoff and landing is too fun. You can land on near less than 1500ft and even carriers if you train.
Beautiful plane. A guy I worked with used to fly the Viggen, but I think he mostly flew the JA 37 (the fighter variant).
LeothirNanirhandel
Get him into DCS!
That wasn’t a suggestion. 😉
People who have flown a viggen has flown dcs, my dad for example. Viggen was active until 2004-2005 in Sweden with the JA37Di version.
Great video, Grim. Thinking of this one for my first jet. I only have the Ka-50 and a couple of WW2 aircraft. Flying low and fast appeals to me. Had to laugh when I saw the canopy fly in the air. Your reaction was so British haha.
On the details you forgot to mention that in cold weather if you leave the canopy open your pilot begins to shake from exposure.
The Viggen's radar can actually be used in air to air (both for ranging and for spotting targets at long range), and in fact the scope changes slightly to facilitate that if you select the air to air missiles from your weapon selector. You just need to be at high enough altitude that you won't get ground returns.
I didn;t realise you could spot A-A. I literally learn a new viggen fact every day thx
@@grimreapers You are welcome! And yea, it's kind of why the J (for fighter in Swedish) is still in the designation. There's an interview here of a former Viggen driver ruclips.net/video/aEht4Uu70fc/видео.html who says AJ-37 pilot were expected to fly interception missions, even though it wasn't their main role.
It was one of my biggest dream as a kid To fly the Viggen.
This new series is awesome, great idea :D
Agreed. I own all of the module but I still watch it.
Juanfra Valero
Me too. 😄
@@valrond CooL I'm getting there I have a couple more to buy ha ha ;)
I have to agree 100% with you CAP, If you want to use and fly the AJS37 and be even some what effective in it, it take serious reading and practice.
So you're spot on, it is not a easy plane to fly. I'll back you on that any time and I love that plane to death but I'm not married to that or it, I know how to be objective.
And I'm Swedish that grew up with Draken and was there when AJS37 was put to service to replace the "Draken", to fly it as a Sessna or private jet transport from A to B it's not so hard.
But anyone that say AJS37 is easy to learn how to use as it was made to be used, have serious flight(sim) background and most likely understand Swedish very well. Or is not being objective.
Keep them good videos rolling.
Cheers for this new series fella. I'm (very) green to Dcs (but loving it) - so it should help differentiate the current state of the models for me
Iff cap says to the hornet that it is bad for beginner's forget about it(if you go and watch 2 hours about the hornet's basics on youtube you can do it by your self)🙃👍
Regarding the Weapons:
RB-05A = Swedish designed and built missile uses liquid fuel to be completely smokeless it's basically the best MCLOS missile ever built but MCLOS is still terrible.
RB-75 = AGM-65 Maverick "A" model
BK90 = DWS90 developed by Sweden and Germany. (the old computer in the Viggen limits the range and release altitude)
RB24 = AIM-9B Sidewinder
RB24J = AIM-9J Sidewinder (basically)
RB74 = AIM-9L Sidewinder at first it was named RB24L but since the pylon is different it was renamed to RB74
Bombs = built by bofors and of Swedish origin.
Rockets = also designed and built by bofors
RB-04E = Swedish anti ship missile rebuilt and upgraded from the RB-04D used by the Lansen since the early 60's
RBS-15F = Swedish anti ship missile from the 1980's
The entire AJS modernization more or less came about because of a delay in the JAS39 Gripen program as the BK90 and RBS-15 had already been delivered and where collecting dust so it was decided to fit these weapons to the Viggen.
It was discussed if one should put computers in the weapons pylons for the BK90 and RBS-15 but it was decided to upgrade the weapons computer on the Viggen.
This increase in computer power led to a number of other features being possible to program in and this is what became the AJS-37 upgrade.
Thanks AJ!!!
I think its kind of strange that some one in the dcs straff decides to, among all the great fighter jets of the world make our good old viggen. Hats of from Sweden.
'It's like nothing else in the world' - well said man, well said! :-)
Can’t rush this one like Captain Veldheusen Van Zanten 😆. Looks very fun and I might get it.
The RB 05 is still probably one of the most fun weapons to use in DCS (in my opinion). To this day one of my best all time kills was two helicopters with two RB 05s during the span of one multiplayer sortie!
that ejection of the canopy.... was waiting for the chair to go flying aswell xD
With the new way of auto creating waypoints this plane is far less intimidating and by far my favourite plane on DCS.
Also probably the easiest start of procedure of any plane.
The F-86 has by far the easiest startup
How do you create waypoints in a mission that is already made
@@gabewaters6178 go to the F10 map, add a marker and write attack. Go to your kneeboard and it will show up as attack point. Then insert your cartridge and load it up works pretty well.
@@DoveEnigma13 it's 4 switches and your pretty much ready to go haha it's pretty easy.
6:18 that is not surprising as the F/A 18 first flew in 1978 while the viggen first flew all the way back in 1967 over a decade of difference.
27:15 You're talking about the hud asking if any of us could tell what all the random lines mean. I own the plane, but haven't tried to learn it yet, but based on what you've said so far, it seems like much of the hud is trying to describe to the pilot where the ground is. The vertical lines on the right seem to be following the terrain closest to the plane. the horizontal seems to have a range, and it's telling you up to its range it's clear where there is a hor. line.
It's not super intuitive unless you were told the plane has the ability to assist you through terrain at night.
I just bought it today, and I love it! I will me help waiting for the Eurofighter!
As always! Great job! Especially when you blew the canopy. Lol
Never expected to hear someone say the F-5 had a better version of something
Love this and the last video keep up the good work! I hope you can do the F-5 soon since I am trying to convince a friend of mine to get it but I feel you would be better at showing it off than me :)
Beautiful Module and a Beautiful Review👌
I find it funny how CAP at first didn't wanted to do a Vid on the Viggen and the needed to buy it for him so he did vids on it. And look now ... I think he likes the Viggen.
lol funny how things change huh :)
There is an ex Viggen pilot uploading DCS Viggen vids to RUclips. Can't remember his channel though.
cool
This guy
m.ruclips.net/video/_o3ebho-8hs/видео.html
Check out Stellan Hilmerby on YT. Viggen pilot who is still flying Viggen on shows and on DCS. 👍🏼👍🏼
Looking at this to be my second module along with the F-5E as my first. Then maybe the Mirage
Nice! There are only two flying VIggen in the world. One AJS 37 Viggen and one SK37 VIggen.
The outside sounds of the Viggen remind me of the interior sounds in an airliner. Very similar.
The engine is out of a 727
Awesome video
and i love the Viggen....but i'm not going to defend it....because i agree with most things Cap said
except 1 thing
i wouldn't call this model hard....exotic i think is better
and why i say that is because it's one of a kind of airplane
and yes it's going to take time to learn things but that's how it is with most things
(if i fly russian planes i have to look up what type of bomb i should use 7/10 times
because i can't remember what the codes mean)
with the Viggen it takes time to learn stuff and there's more to this plane then meets the eye
but once you've learnt it it's easy to remember because the system is simple
sure it takes time to set things up but that's what you get without digital systems
pity Cap couldn't get the engine to "pump" as that is a so cool that they've modeled it
except when you're trying to dodge SAM's and mountains lol
Awesome new series! Thanks
i have problems flying the viggen, i do the startup sequence, taxi, and when i take off, the viggen just starts wobbeling around and i have to really struggle and fight to keep the plane flying straight, i do not have this issue with any other aircraft, anyone know what could be the problem?
Thanks in advance
I’d give it a 3.5 for graphics as in the cockpit some things like the Mav display and the top of the dashboard are kinda unsharp
26:58 , why we have done this? Because Sweden is not in NATO this is a pure Swedish plane made with very little influence from other countries. The HUD is actually way more complicated than it seem since instead of numbers it relays information by Visuals. So to truly master the HUD you need to read up on what all the visual do and mean in the different modes, just like you said in the video it is one more thing to learn though. (Not saying i'm any good at it either though...I agree that it is upmost confusing but it works as intended for being such and old plane)
I think that the development, modeling, programming and sfx should be put under the glass and not the plane itself compared to other modules since if DCS: f-35 comes out tomorrow, like magic, it will outclass everything
Wish the Devs would put in the Transonic Baffles.
i've been looking for a review of each plane with these kind of ratings, my only critique is it's super long, i get theirs a lot to cover but for newer players, i feel keeping it simple would be better, going into so much detail is more educational towards vets who probably know most the info anyways.
Just my 2cents.
👍🏽Nice review very informative Well Done!
When discussing the non-powered cruise missile, you gave it an aprox. range of 8 miles, but wouldn't the range of any gliding weapon be almost entirely dependent of the altitude and speed at time of release?
Good review, btw - thanks for your all your work!
Yes BUT remember that you have to be at a set speed and alt to launch this wep.
@@grimreapers Note to self:Think first - THEN comment.
lol Thanks.
using the MAV in this plane is the easiest than any other action in the game.
The rb24 is equvalent to an aim-9b,
the rb24j is a aim-9j / aim-9p
and the rb74 is a aim-9l 👍👌
They are all license built versions of them
Lmao you blew the canopy again 🤣🤣🤣 10/10
@34:25 "A big heavy truck"
Actually Hornet is heavier than Viggen.
thats actually surprising
Hornet had two engines though...
DYMOTAPE! THE PINNACLE OF SWISS MILITARY TECHNOLOGY!
Hasn't this been out several years, why is it still considered early access on the DCS main site?
No idea. Weird.
Imagine having to read the manual of a simulated strike aircraft to in order to use it effectively ? goes against the whole ethos of DCS - which is throwing AMRAAMS around like confetti and lobbing JSOW's at targets 70 miles away :)))
Best aircraft ever made. Period.
CAP, Can you include joystick/HOTAS animation in your Interactivity/detail category? Seems like lots of modules don’t show the buttons/switches move when you press them. Good series btw.
Copy wilco
The Viggen was the second aircraft in the world with a HUD cut it some slack ;)
What was the first?
J Rton It was actually Saab B17 dive bomber. Saab in Sweden has the only still flying B17, and is flown regulary by a Gripen pilot :)
@@jrton1366 A6 Intruder
@@droneforfun5384 That was actually a dive bomb system with a reflector sight which have been around since before WW2. The BT-2 was one of the first such dive bomb sights (1942) and had some unique features (toss bombing). Later versions were exported and even license-manufactured by the US in the 1950s.There is not a whole lot of information about it online but I found a couple of pages with some snippets:
www.aef.se/Avionik/Notiser/Bombsikten_2_3_9_9C.htm (Swedish)
www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-m-42-bombsight.13203/ (English)
@@jrton1366 First operational HUD as we know them today was on the Blackburn Buccaneer which entered service in 1962.
The afterburner sounded fine from the rear view rather than the front view?
yes I thin ur right
Your tutorials are the best available! But, being a noob. How about something that will help someone like me, that comes from a military aviation background, and is just starting in the DCS. World. What would be the first purchase, ( other than flaming cliffs!?)
I recommend the MiG-15, or the F-86. Good introduction to the capabilities of jets yet has the flavor of ww2 style combat
I like the review but the argument that it's so different from modern system is unfair, it was the first fighter in the world with a digital navigation computer and it had no chance to display all information on the hud, it had to show the most important stuff for each selected mode and nothing else.
I'm an old fart and Swedish and built some of the control boxes in that fighter so I have a strong bias :-)
The jamming systems can't be simulated right for any fighter in a game, they include secrets harvested by respective nations spy agents. We will never know if they worked either.
Viggen was designed (with help from USA.) to defend against Russian weapons of the time.
High speed at low altitude was be best calculated strategy.
I suspect it's a matter of some opinion, but the HUD actually does display a lot of information if you know what the symbology means. What I find relaxing about the HUD is that it displays the "relevant" information, and keeps the HUD uncluttered. There's no "information overload" in the HUD, just what you need when you need it. See Rafidude's review of the Viggen for a good explanation of this.
I understand the F-14 CADC used the first digital microprocessor (IC) ever created (disputed by Intel with their 4004), while the CK-47 used discrete digital components (MLE) by Fairchild.
Viggen was my first hi fi module after Ka50. On my first flight I ripped the wings off with negative G using what felt like only slight forward stick pressure supersonic on the deck. Is the Viggen very weak when it comes to negative G?
I accidentally held 12.5 G for 1 second and came out of that alive. I think the wings are strong enough but it is just very easy to turn too hard and you don't really get much warning in the game. Just something you have to get used to.
Edit: oops just realized you were talking about negative not positive G. Can't really say but it never happened to me but I don't do very hard negative G in any plane.
Pulling hard G's at low level and supersonic isn't good with an ac that has a rather big wing area. At low altitude the air is dense and will strain the wings. The 37 has alot of power at low altitudes and will kill you if you are not mindful of your speed and G's.
:)
Love how someone in your sheet gave this 1/5 for difficulty!? Someone Swedish and fly it IRL in the Reapers Cap?
lol must do!
27:17 Well the hud if different because we in sweden didn't think about standardizing who what other nations had because we aren't in nato and it was made for the deference of sweden so it's different because we fought it work and with the same about of training you will learn it as good as an nato hud
thx
Saab's point of view is that they try to use symbology instead of numbers. This is to decease workload for the pilot and make it intuative. For example, how the approach speed is shown in the HUD.
@@droneforfun5384 yes your right
@@droneforfun5384 This is also one of the reasons road signs in Europe uses symbology. Reading text takes a different (slower) route through the brain than when you recognise symbols.
Seen to me some ordinance missing, i do remember that Viggen had RB-71 (Sky Flash) which is an intermediate range AA missile:
www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Notiser/Robot71/Robot71_Notis2.htm
(Swedish, use google translate).
Apart from being Swedish, the main cool thing about Viggen is the thrust reverser. Land on a common road less than 400 meters (1/4 mile) = no problemo.
Also, there were 3 versions of Viggen:
J = Jakt (Hunt = Fighter)
A = Attack
S = Spaning (Recon)
J.A.S. (But they called it AJS) .And now you know what the requirements of the recent JAS-39 Gripen fighter was when it was designed
As for the sound, yes - it is too quiet. Imagine that rumbling sound in the cockpit + that crackling sound you heard when it flew away from you at around 30 DB higher - that is how i remember the Viggen from Airshows.
You could FEEL it, standing on the ground as it flew past the audience. I think the J35 Draken (dragon) gave the same feeling.
Thanks Sir
The RB71 was a weapon for the JA37 (fighter version). The AJS37 only had heaters, for self defence.
I just cannot understand why the developers didn't make the camo pattern correct instead of making up something on their own. The Viggen's FOA ('splinter') camouflage pattern was designed by appointed specialists and artists, and was applied 100% identical on each airframe from the factory. The DCS Viggen camo pattern is definitely inspired by the real FOA camo, but very far from accurate and even violates some of the obtuse/acute angle definitions. Not sure why, when everything else is so painstakingly exact even down to the sounds of the buttons in the cockpit.
You've put the wrong score sheet in the description, it says that its for the Harrier.
Edit: Never mind I just realised that you can switch at the bottom...
thx
I have to disagree on the diffleculty. The Viggen is propably the easiest plane to learn with the F5e, with the exception of the RB-15. Easy to learn and hard to master.
Hey, you cannot have division number F6 on the nose when you have the ghost squadron mark on the tail which is from F10 ...
That caught my attention as well. And also curious about the nose cone. Weren't those mostly black?
Reverse thruster? Sold!
29:06 Jar Jar Binks moment
22:15 I immediately looked for a real full burner takeoff ruclips.net/video/fBE41A9VT3Q/видео.html Sounds fairly close. Maybe it’s just a Viggen thing?
interesting thx
oh my Viggen....over 1 year not flown. I still can start it up and fly and land it it but forgot nearly everything how to use these complicated weapons with shit barometric heightmeasure and waypoints.....frustrating !! That´s why i really like to have a 2 seater model with every model with a instructor behind you like F14´s "jester" who you could ask things like Radar using or weapon settings and so on !! The only weapon i liked on this was the big anti ship rocket with wings and the rocket pods. But as a STOL Fighter with parking in backwards it was a "must have" for me , and it stil is !! Harrier ?....i dont like it, dont know why but it seems pretty slow and sluggish.
39:43 Despite I respect your opinion, I see this differently. This is a simulator, not a game! That said, it has to simulate events as they (would) happen in real life. Otherwise, they could change the name from DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) to DCAG (Digital Combat Arcade Game). However, I do think they should put a mechanism to warn the simmer that he is pulling high G. For example, they could add a vignette effect in this case.
Rgr, so hard to do this un-biased lol
@@grimreapers never thought you would actually see my comment! Lol
Thanks for everything you put out there, you are helping this community a lot and helped me personally when first comming to DCS. 🤜
Sound seems way off, Viggen rumbles really low in real world. Most videos on yt don't show of the real sound since they use low pass filters for wind noise. If the ghost logo is to be used it should be with the 10 designation. :)
DCS doesn't have Matra durandal bombs does it?
You always seem to be able to zoom in closer than I can externally... what does that?
Maybe you are VR? That's all I can think of.
@@grimreapers nope. Maybe its' your track IR?
All planes have overstress sound per se, it just might be too quiet.
agreee
Offtopic, but map looks really nice as well, what is it?
I just can't agree on the difficulty. I may be a Viggen fan, but I have no issue with it being criticized. It's far from a perfect plane or module. That said, I learned the damn thing in 2 hours using only the in-game tutorials/training missions. That's including take-off, landing, navigation and weapons deployment of all weapons. By contrast, it took me two weeks to learn the Mirage 2000, a week to learn the F-5 and so far over a week to learn half of what's possible in the JF-17. I trialed the Harrier, which people said was easy, and I just did not get it. Part of this has to do with the teaching methods of the in-game training tutorials varying greatly from module to module. The Viggen's were to-the-point, no nonsense and no mil-sim fluff. "Here's how you do this, here's an easy mission to do it in, now do it." I should read manuals, but only do so partly and as a last resort... Except in the Viggen. I never needed to even consider it. The few things not covered by the tutorials were easy to find on RUclips. I think most people are F-teens guys who drill themselves so hard on those jets that anything different throws them off. But if you -actually- want to learn the Viggen, and are allergic to manuals, play the training missions in DCS then look up how to make a custom data cartridge on RUclips, and you're mostly set!
It’s easy to fly, but hard to fight in.
Ripping wings and blacking out is because u fly saitek stick, no extension and probanly all on top of your desk. Build a proper setup CAP, you deserve it and need it.
We need to locate a retired Viggen pilot who plays DCS.
lols funny
We actually have a retired Viggen pilot flying with us in NOSIG. Not going to out him here, but it's always great when he's flying with us.
In terms of flight model I believe he says it's quite close to the real thing, or at least good enough.
Minor detail that caught my eye. The plane you're in is from F6, my old airbase, but the insignia on the tail "red ghost" is from F10. The F6 planes got transferred to F10, but I'd expect the number on the nose would have been changed during transfer. Also, I doubt that we had 06 flying at F6, but I could be wrong about that.
Grim Reapers
Told you so. 😉
I bought the plane but never really got into learning :(
Same here lol, but I bought the A-10C and the KA-50.
Barely touched em, recently reinstalled and did some training in the F-15 though. So I'll probably go through brainfuckery of learning the A-10.
Like does this game only have old aircrafts to use or is there all new genaration of aircraft as watch u channel alot and the planes are so old lol thanks GR
DCS world can't have modern aircrafts because of the secret informations about their weapons and systems. Probably the newest plane that is available in DCS is the F/A-18C hornet (about year 2005 variant) and their upcoming F-16C will be a year 2007 variant.
Tomas9970 they are also coming out with a eurofighter
VFX: 5, SFX: 5, Interactivity/Detail: 5, Flight Model: 5, Difficulty: 4.
Spelling can be diffictult.
Can you do a review on the f14
yup
@@grimreapers yay bc i might get it soon :)
Am I the only one to have negative experiences with Viggen? I don't have the module, but I set up many guns-only dogfight scenarios, like F/A-18 vs Viggen, F-15 vs Viggen, etc... AI-controlled Viggen can circle around with speed above 700 knots and pull over 10G! (it's visible on F2 external view). So who is in the cockpit? A swedish terminator? In my opinion, developers should take into account the aircraft's limitations also for AI-controlled planes. That's the reason I haven't bought it yet.
So you haven't bought the module because EDs AI is crap?
Get the module, it's amazing.
I flew a viggen in the meme wars. i was shot down five times. They gave me the bbc, the hmrc and a mcd's with large fries.
Pls cap pls PLS! Don't do a review on the hornet unless you don't die on the first missile that get's fired on you, and review for example the knew PLID option on the sa page. 👍(Everyone who reads this comment, the Hornet is easy to fly/learn even if you are knew to DCS and iff you are cap (if he would learn)thx)
Id say the hornet is easy to pick up and easy to fly, but theres alot to learn with all the different settings and controls for the full experience. Its the only plane i ended up printing off pages from the manual to read and learn on my lunch break at work. Its one of those you can pick up in half an hour but takes you 12 months to master haha
@@Tinman452 nope i fly it now for 1 month and i know what every button does and I know how to use them and I know every weppon+ I don't printed out anything😎(with the help of RUclips videos, this is more efficient than the manual and you don't need to do it at your break👍)
Well, I never died on the first missile fired on me (usually R-27ER), it's easy to dodge. I died on the second one (usually R-27ET).
@@jakubdabrowski3846 yes but you aren't cap..... Iff he would fly it in ever 3rd mission he wouldn't die as well
Ey please CAP stop complaining about the feedback sounds, if they not IRL we don't want them. We have Buttkickers n stuff for that. Nobody needs unrealistic sounds ! It is a matter of your home pit not DCS.
I disagree. Being able to tell the Gs pulled from the is very useful in a desktop sim.
As interesting as these module reviews are....49 minutes? Waaay too long. Under 20 mins would be ideal
I flew a viggen in the meme wars. i was shot down five times. They gave me the bbc, the hmrc and a mcd's with large fries.