He probably will he needs another title though.. I think denver actually will destroy his case of top 10 by weakening the roster but top 15 should be attainable still
@@nspihu top 10 is super tought tbh, those spots are almost locked. But top 15 for sure. Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Larry, Shaq, Russell, Wilt, Duncan are all locks. Then you gotta deal with where ppl rank Hakeem, Kobe, and Curry and those guys fall between 2 and 11. Thats 11. Then Durant, Oscar Robertson are open for debate which is where Jokic fits in.
Greatest offensive player of all time, in my opinion is already individually Top 5. If only he had an all star player averaging at least 23+ points per game, and not injury prone players.. he could have had already 2-3 rings with 3 MVPs..
Yeah. And if only Lebron had not ran into the GSW teams or the Mavs or the Spurs, he would have 8-10 rings by now. Yeah, it didn't work for Lebron and it isn't going to work for Jokic. The greatest offensive players ever are: KD, Lebron, Kareem, Curry, MJ,... then maybe Jokic 6 years of dominant and elite scoring isn't enough to solidify your place at the top. All of those guys did it longer at a high level.
Don't get the thread here. Jokic is already a top 15 player of all time by the estimation of most serious analysts. Only 8 other guys have won 3 or more MVP's. He may get a 4th. Only 8 other guys have won 3 MVP's, a championship, and a finals MVP. By those measures he's already a top 10 player all time. He's crushing the statistical categories in both conventional and advanced stats. By the measure of advanced numbers he's already a top 5 player all time. To get into the top 10 he needs to win another chip and play at an all nba level for a handful more years. By that point his resume will be so strong he'll be solidly in the top 10 convo.
I think another championship and more years at his current level would push him past kd and hakeem, but then he’d probably be competing against the likes of Kobe, shaq, Tim Duncan and Steph to get any higher into the top 10, based on my list anyway. For me I don’t know if another ring does that, think he’d need at least 4
@@conallfarquhar8069 Yes, I think that's the competition in the top 10 convo. Championships certainly shade things for better but mostly worse. Context is important. I think he's already beyond KD and Dream but will certainly move past them in the general opinion soon. I think he's already a better and more important player than Duncan and Shaq. I'm not a huge Kobe fan because of his embarrassing and wild inefficiency. The last of the gunners. I think Steph and Joker are one offs that changed the game. Changing the game itself is at least as important as chips. Only a few players change their position and the game.
I think I probably disagree, the top ten list which is now probably top 12 is really just a list of guys that were seen as the best player in the world for a generation and won championships to back that up, you go through the list and they all fit that criteria. With joker, if he continues as he is, he’ll for sure be seen as one of the best in his generation, but he needs championships to back that up. Remember it’s not the best players of all time, it’s the greatest. I think you’re undervaluing the importance of championships
I must say Windy has done an incredible 180 to broaden his scope as a national NBA reporter compared to what he was up to the end of LeBron’s 2nd Cavs stint Dude basically followed LeBron around everywhere and talked about nothing else. Those who remember, remember lol
That interview made me realize that the French are still quite a ways behind, culturally, in basketball, which makes sense. I'd still take art and cuisine over ball but we'll get it where we can.
I´m not sure but I heard Serbia is the only country in the world where traditionally basketball is just as popular or even more popular than soccer/football. Is that true?
He does that often with his interviews. I also think it's because he knows a lot of the information being shared, so it's difficult not to interject. But I wish he finds a way to handle it better.
Uhm the interview was brilliant. He interjected beautifully. U can't just sit back and let the guest wax on for 45 minutes or an hour... it is supposed to be a conversation, a calm conversation and yes with interjections. Those are the best interviews. The worst kinds are when the interviewers are hijacking the interview and basically monologuing at that point. He seems genuinely interested in Jokic and Serbia-NBA network. That passion is what led to the interview in the first place.
The best 6 players of my lifetime (been going to 30+ nba games row 9/11/13 center court since 1987-88 Reggie Miller rookie year and watching NBA basketball for 40yrs) are in no order MJ LeBron Hakeem Magic Bird Jokic Those are the 6 best most impactful players at their best imo (Shaq 2000-02 is there too but only 3 yr run…Duncan 03-07 close too). If Hakeem & Jokic switched career teammates/coaches/GMs with Kareem Russell Wilt Shaq Duncan they’d all have 4-11 titles somewhere. You can’t help who you play with or injury luck of teammates. Ppl put way too much stock into TEAM🏆when there is a lot of luck and stuff out of players control. That’s true for Hakeem, Jokic, Big O, Jerry West just to name a few who if in better situations they all have more TEAM titles. Hell if Reggie Miller switched careers/teammates with Klay & Ray Allen he has 2-5 titles! There are many examples of this throughout NBA (& ABA) history! At the end of this year Jokic will have finished inarguably one of THEE GOAT 5yr runs (2020-21 to 24-25) where he will have AVERAGED 26-27 PPG 12-13 RBG 9-10 APG 2.2 stocks 59/37/84 God tier analytics God tier per 100 +/- On (and OnOff) In Playoffs 30, 13, 8, 2.1 stocks on 62% TS% with elite analytics as well.
Windy you guys need to pull ESPN into the new era. For one, get your own channel. For two, this should be three separate videos. If someone wants to share/comment on Podz, now it's combined with the Jokic book and a Wemby story. Why? Media is no longer the weekly 1-hour timeslot of tv programming, Help out your boomer employer, they're just a little scared cuz they're elderly.
You're def being captain obvious here. Nepotism exists in all walks of life. The issue here is how offended people sound about something so minimal in the grand scheme of things. TBH of all the nepotism in the world this is likely the easiest to accept. His father makes you 100s of millions of dollars yet you get to only pay him a fraction of his value and for that that you use a no value draft pick & pay him pennies in nba terms to sit him at the end off a bench in the high five/towel waver position. 😂
@Theinsideoutsider bro I couldn't have said it better. Actually he makes the more money now than with kobe there. The tickets prices in la are ridiculous.
Windy is one of the rare few NBA media people that pronounces Nikola's first name correctly. Something that reporter following him through Serbia was not able to pick up. Literally St Nicholas is the same name. And I assume you pronounce it Nicholas. Now just remove the last "s" and that is it. You don't pronounce it "knee COLA"....
During the match between Denver and Dallas two weeks ago, one Denver fan yelled at Luka saying "We are waiting for you to come to Denver" and Luka looked at the guy and gave a sly smile. So it might be possible if Luka doesn't think he can win in Dallas he will want to have at least one championship before he is done, and he might feel Jokic is good teammate to help him achive that, also Luka and Jokic are very good friends, they hang together often and their wives are also good friends.
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[McMahon’s voice] Jesus Windy, this whole pod has been a big commercial! First a book about Jokic, then an Invisalign plug, then a L’Equipe commercial on and on about your favorite son Victor Losebanyama. 🥱 PS:. Big fan ☺️
Thanks for recording Jokers history. He will go down as a top 20 NBA player of all time and having his story recorded is extremely important.
He probably will he needs another title though.. I think denver actually will destroy his case of top 10 by weakening the roster but top 15 should be attainable still
Top 20 ..... Top 10 is very very much feasible
@@nspihu top 10 is super tought tbh, those spots are almost locked. But top 15 for sure. Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Larry, Shaq, Russell, Wilt, Duncan are all locks. Then you gotta deal with where ppl rank Hakeem, Kobe, and Curry and those guys fall between 2 and 11. Thats 11. Then Durant, Oscar Robertson are open for debate which is where Jokic fits in.
He’s top 10 right now and gonna keep climbing
@@Yoko-oe3cv WHo is he top 10 over?
A movie about jokic would hit so hard. That would be so great to watch. Hope that happens
When he wins a gold medal
Yeah I've been thinking about the Movie too and I think I have a good title "41 Pick"
Windy seems genuinely excited and happy about this book and Nikola.
I have never wanted a book about an athlete before. And here we are...
Best single basketball podcast episode i've seen in a good while.
These stories about Jokic and the people around him are fascinating
This is incredible Mike, thank you!!🇷🇸🃏🙏 cannot wait to read the book.
mike singer is the GOAT
Greatest offensive player of all time, in my opinion is already individually Top 5.
If only he had an all star player averaging at least 23+ points per game, and not injury prone players.. he could have had already 2-3 rings with 3 MVPs..
Lmao
Yeah. And if only Lebron had not ran into the GSW teams or the Mavs or the Spurs, he would have 8-10 rings by now.
Yeah, it didn't work for Lebron and it isn't going to work for Jokic.
The greatest offensive players ever are: KD, Lebron, Kareem, Curry, MJ,... then maybe Jokic
6 years of dominant and elite scoring isn't enough to solidify your place at the top.
All of those guys did it longer at a high level.
The story of Joker is un-freakin-beliveable.
Hopefully more journalists will follow up with great story telling like this one.
Man I wish the nuggets were this aggressive in big time trades now.. good stuff, this conversation honestly sold me on the book
I hope that Serbian translation is released as soon as possible for Jokic's dad.
Don't get the thread here. Jokic is already a top 15 player of all time by the estimation of most serious analysts. Only 8 other guys have won 3 or more MVP's. He may get a 4th. Only 8 other guys have won 3 MVP's, a championship, and a finals MVP. By those measures he's already a top 10 player all time. He's crushing the statistical categories in both conventional and advanced stats. By the measure of advanced numbers he's already a top 5 player all time. To get into the top 10 he needs to win another chip and play at an all nba level for a handful more years. By that point his resume will be so strong he'll be solidly in the top 10 convo.
I think another championship and more years at his current level would push him past kd and hakeem, but then he’d probably be competing against the likes of Kobe, shaq, Tim Duncan and Steph to get any higher into the top 10, based on my list anyway. For me I don’t know if another ring does that, think he’d need at least 4
@@conallfarquhar8069 Yes, I think that's the competition in the top 10 convo. Championships certainly shade things for better but mostly worse. Context is important. I think he's already beyond KD and Dream but will certainly move past them in the general opinion soon. I think he's already a better and more important player than Duncan and Shaq. I'm not a huge Kobe fan because of his embarrassing and wild inefficiency. The last of the gunners. I think Steph and Joker are one offs that changed the game. Changing the game itself is at least as important as chips. Only a few players change their position and the game.
I think I probably disagree, the top ten list which is now probably top 12 is really just a list of guys that were seen as the best player in the world for a generation and won championships to back that up, you go through the list and they all fit that criteria. With joker, if he continues as he is, he’ll for sure be seen as one of the best in his generation, but he needs championships to back that up. Remember it’s not the best players of all time, it’s the greatest. I think you’re undervaluing the importance of championships
What a program to start a day!!! 🤩🤩🤩
There was a chance for Jokic, Doncic & Murray to all play together, not sure how well that would've worked, but it would've been fun to see.
Beautiful pod
This might be the greatest sports story when you consider where he started and how high he rose
Great episode. Jokic and Wemby will be forever immortalised by the end of their careers!
Thanks for sharing insight on Wemby’s start and personality.
Great episode Brian!
I must say Windy has done an incredible 180 to broaden his scope as a national NBA reporter compared to what he was up to the end of LeBron’s 2nd Cavs stint
Dude basically followed LeBron around everywhere and talked about nothing else. Those who remember, remember lol
He doesn't set his own assignments. He's a guy from Cleveland who went to Lebrons school, his bosses didn't want him doing anything else.
@@kb5509fair - I’m glad he’s out of that pigeonhole at least
I remember Mike from last year on *Howdy Partners.* And Lowe Post
post anything about players who are not Yanks and you get viewers. not complaining, just an observation. I love it actually.
Great episode ☑️
thanks Windy for covering a variety of topics. good break from Cavs Corner.
That interview made me realize that the French are still quite a ways behind, culturally, in basketball, which makes sense. I'd still take art and cuisine over ball but we'll get it where we can.
buying this book asap.
Word of advice, Windy: Anyone who works for ESPN shouldn't joke about getting fired.
How so? I'm from Serbian so idk
Excited for this one. Would love to hear if you guys take notes during games? If so, what do those notes look like? Thanks for the info
OMG Podz, with peace & love - zoom camera position, buddy! I want to hear what you have to say. Tough to watch when camera is under you. 💜 ☮️
Yann has an excellent stereotype-propagating mustache going, bravo (and he was an interesting listen to boot!)
I´m not sure but I heard Serbia is the only country in the world where traditionally basketball is just as popular or even more popular than soccer/football. Is that true?
In Lithuania, basketball is perhaps even more popular than soccer
No, football is more popular but we love basketball also and we had more sucess in basketball.
It's pretty close, as all Europeans Serbs love football (soccer) but basketball is close second.
Brian, can u let your guest speak without interrupting him so often. Hurts the flow. Love the information tho.
He does that often with his interviews. I also think it's because he knows a lot of the information being shared, so it's difficult not to interject. But I wish he finds a way to handle it better.
@@bengabriels6219he handles it much much better than most other so called "journalists" or "interviewers."
This pod is fantastic. But this is an ESPN channel. How are we still using a green screen in a computer chair with plug-in iPod earbuds?
Was this a podcast or hour long advertisement?
Windy, let the guest speak lol
Uhm the interview was brilliant. He interjected beautifully. U can't just sit back and let the guest wax on for 45 minutes or an hour... it is supposed to be a conversation, a calm conversation and yes with interjections. Those are the best interviews.
The worst kinds are when the interviewers are hijacking the interview and basically monologuing at that point.
He seems genuinely interested in Jokic and Serbia-NBA network. That passion is what led to the interview in the first place.
The best 6 players of my lifetime (been going to 30+ nba games row 9/11/13 center court since 1987-88 Reggie Miller rookie year and watching NBA basketball for 40yrs) are in no order
MJ LeBron Hakeem Magic Bird Jokic
Those are the 6 best most impactful players at their best imo (Shaq 2000-02 is there too but only 3 yr run…Duncan 03-07 close too). If Hakeem & Jokic switched career teammates/coaches/GMs with Kareem Russell Wilt Shaq Duncan they’d all have 4-11 titles somewhere. You can’t help who you play with or injury luck of teammates. Ppl put way too much stock into TEAM🏆when there is a lot of luck and stuff out of players control. That’s true for Hakeem, Jokic, Big O, Jerry West just to name a few who if in better situations they all have more TEAM titles. Hell if Reggie Miller switched careers/teammates with Klay & Ray Allen he has 2-5 titles! There are many examples of this throughout NBA (& ABA) history!
At the end of this year Jokic will have finished inarguably one of THEE GOAT 5yr runs (2020-21 to 24-25) where he will have AVERAGED
26-27 PPG
12-13 RBG
9-10 APG
2.2 stocks
59/37/84
God tier analytics
God tier per 100 +/- On (and OnOff)
In Playoffs 30, 13, 8, 2.1 stocks on 62% TS% with elite analytics as well.
Windy you guys need to pull ESPN into the new era. For one, get your own channel. For two, this should be three separate videos. If someone wants to share/comment on Podz, now it's combined with the Jokic book and a Wemby story. Why? Media is no longer the weekly 1-hour timeslot of tv programming, Help out your boomer employer, they're just a little scared cuz they're elderly.
When Windy hires you, hire me💯
Nah, this podcast making more numbers than all the young, dumb fellas
answer: 2 hours, question: according to Belgrade taxi drivers, how far is anything from Belgrade?
WE KEPT JAMAL AND WE COULD HAVE HAD LUKA???? OH HELL.
I wanna see Brian dance to the grey goose music
What?!
Luka and Joker would be funny...
Miguel Bosé knows ball . Thats great
Snoozefest of an episode... i cant even lie. I usually love this podcast
How negligent is Divac? Not only was he not high on Luka, but multiple teams knew what he was thinking.
Gelo ball had multiple 20 point games yet the nba denied him. Bronny can’t even get 8 points in the G league. Nepotism & politics are real
Um gelo was on Charlotte was cut it's a difference dummy
You're def being captain obvious here. Nepotism exists in all walks of life. The issue here is how offended people sound about something so minimal in the grand scheme of things. TBH of all the nepotism in the world this is likely the easiest to accept. His father makes you 100s of millions of dollars yet you get to only pay him a fraction of his value and for that that you use a no value draft pick & pay him pennies in nba terms to sit him at the end off a bench in the high five/towel waver position. 😂
@Theinsideoutsider bro I couldn't have said it better. Actually he makes the more money now than with kobe there. The tickets prices in la are ridiculous.
idk the next time bronny will be on the lakers again tho, that could be it
My man the JOKER, pls demand a trade get out of that team!
podz is 4th in mins on the warriors
Windy is one of the rare few NBA media people that pronounces Nikola's first name correctly. Something that reporter following him through Serbia was not able to pick up.
Literally St Nicholas is the same name. And I assume you pronounce it Nicholas. Now just remove the last "s" and that is it.
You don't pronounce it "knee COLA"....
Now do the story we all want… Luka doncic
They kept pushing to replace jamal 😂
funny thing, even Brandon doesn't know that this is not a correct pronunciation of his name if he wants t to sound correctly in Poland
Singer's unlistenable with that audio
Complaining about getting aggregated is a strange humblebrag when working in the attention economy.
Windy! Let the man finish a f-ing sentence! Geezus
Jokic and Luka that must happened.
During the match between Denver and Dallas two weeks ago, one Denver fan yelled at Luka saying "We are waiting for you to come to Denver" and Luka looked at the guy and gave a sly smile. So it might be possible if Luka doesn't think he can win in Dallas he will want to have at least one championship before he is done, and he might feel Jokic is good teammate to help him achive that, also Luka and Jokic are very good friends, they hang together often and their wives are also good friends.
We need Windy on BlueSky!!!
Why so serious is a very obvious option and seems kind of corny to me
This guy has a huge ego! Pods that is...
Talk about the pistons, you cowards
Loved the part on Wemby! Thx
Jokic will be top 3 center of all time, but i was shocked that there are people interested in his personal life aside fr the serbians..
His story is sooo unusual and unique 🤩
3x mvp 1 ring. Will be the funniest ahit ever and an example of why you don’t give a guy 3 mvps before winning a lot
mvp is a regular season award. so what do you wanna tell us? I think lebron also had 3 before he won his 2nd ring
Don’t look now, Lakers are 1.5 games back of the 1 seed. I smell a Cavs vs Lakers finals in the air.
Lakers haven’t beaten a top 10 team besides PHX…Finals is a faraway dream lmao
@@Absolute-Melodydon’t mind him, it’s typical casual lakers fan delusion. Lebron isn’t sniffing the finals again
😂😂😂😂
@@Absolute-Melody Keep hating lil buddy. Maybe your rat @$$ team can be one day as relevant as the Lakers 💪🏼💛💜
How is every other video a Wemby/Jokic video. I get they’re your favs but my god dude we get it
as long as it aint the Lakers, Im chilling
Wym I just looked 47 videos between the last one
I really didn’t need another reason to hate Jamal Murray and now you’re telling me we could have had Luka under jokic 😢
Very good video! I have USDT in my OKX wallet and I have my recovery phrase. 「pride」-「pole」-「obtain」-「together」-「second」-「when」-「future」-「mask」-「review」-「nature」-「potato」-「bulb」 How do I transfer them to Binance?
[McMahon’s voice] Jesus Windy, this whole pod has been a big commercial! First a book about Jokic, then an Invisalign plug, then a L’Equipe commercial on and on about your favorite son Victor Losebanyama. 🥱
PS:. Big fan ☺️