Did Jesus Ever Really Exist? Does the Talmud Support a Historical Jesus? Rabbi Tovia Singer responds
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Caller presses Rabbi Tovia Singer:Was there really a historical Jesus? There are a few citations in the Talmud that mentions ‘Yeshu.’ Do these passages in the Talmud therefore support the historicity of Jesus?
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Rav Singer is a pure source of knowledge and truth. You simply cannot argue with FACTS! With all due respect to Christians, I can no longer believe the nonsense I was taught as a child. Thank you, sir!
Look ,tes he is making his point to back him self but one point that he can not cover is thé fact that Boko goes in line with his torah and is his problem.
roung study other culture ,especialy Greek relion you going to fing 1 from Zoraster =i be back after dead 2-greek relion 1 raised the dad from son of Apollo( Eusclious ), calm the ocean = Neptune ,turn water into wine =Gog Odanis god of wine +try to kill Zoroaster ,try to kill Hercules ,try to kill Moses ,try to kill Jesus & a few more
It’s not an either or situation. If you carefully read scripture it orders you to apply logic (the only way to not fall into illusion) to everything and it warns you that there are false prophets but even in their words are clues to the real God.
This is because God is fundamentally the same “substance” as what we call logic in the secular world (math is logic, music is logic, science is logic, scripture is nonsense without god/logic, etc.) and that it speaks to us and shows us it’s rules even by its absence.
I can know what size circle you cut out of a piece of paper just as easily from the scraps it was cut from as from the cut out piece.
Even those who were trying to make the New Testament work had to bring logic/god back to the nonsense and the many places they failed to make it make any sense are the clear signs the logical side of consciousness was not the only influence to such writings. There is a demonic (illogical) presence wherever there is nonsense, bias, hate, lies or anything unreasonable in the scripture and you are meant to identify it as such not to fall into illusion by accepting lies and believing everything you read.
I’m sorry to my Jewish friends because the philosophy of Moses/Judaism is so deep and still has so much relevance overall but when Moses calls being gay detestable aka hateable that is him and the illogical side of consciousness that hates and judges gay people not “the most reasonable one”, not the logical side of logic and consciousness that is our salvation.
The point is that the real problem is uncertainty (chaos) and that any kind of order or certainty you can draw out of it is better than it remaining uncertain.
If you read one lie in a book and put it down you missed out on a lot of knowledge, even if the book is nothing but lies....because of the number of possible combinations of words, etc. even if it is obviously a lie as soon as you hear it, try not to let that blind you from the fact that you likely haven’t heard that particular brand of stupidity or lie before. It was only uncertainty before, maybe even likely to be a lie or suspected stupidity, but not certain stupidity, not yet certain knowledge of the false.
Knowledge of the false is as much a part of knowledge as knowledge of the truth and not just throwing away the false, but keeping it tightly ordered as false in your memory is how you can know twice as much, if not more than double, from the same set of information.
Do not throw out the false, it is not wise, it is why God will not throw out the false souls, he will just properly account for them as “not P” for the true souls “P” in the logical formula. If you do you will still have uncertainty. For instance you should carefully study the New Testament and Quran to identify where these “prophets”, who I do think had contact with God as we all do and can connect with closer if we reason aka think and seek it (they seem to have sought it in ways that I know work like fasting and spending a lot of time in nature where free willed minds that aren’t hashem aren’t such a source of interference) were right and where they went wrong.
For example the fact that personal repentance is a small part of either Jesus’s or Mohammed’s story (at least to my knowledge and by outward appearances that the faiths present by holding them up as 100% perfect and sin free) compared to Moses or David while lecturing others and getting into arguments because Jews wouldn’t “follow them” seems to be a major feature...
No man should be followed...I don’t even follow the forms of logic like a Venn diagram because I’d be missing the fact there is music (form of logic) and science and scripture and maybe most importantly a lot of people who think logically and should be listened to and considered not shut up and told to follow me...
The only thing we should hold up as God and worship (devote our minds to) is the substance of logic and the state of being reasonable itself.
When we all do a little more of that sort of worship (we might call it “being sane”) it will be easy for Hashem and the rest of us to move towards the real messianic era...the era of existence where everything coexists and the illogical is no longer destroying creation from within.
@@ipeeinmysinkimafraidtocome7127 if you’re going to study the Greeks study their devotion to logic, it is the only reason Greek and Latin culture wasn’t completely off course and misguided by polytheism...they were not very religious people apparently and considered logic to be a separate subject while Judaism saw the obvious, that no subject can be outside of God...
What the Greeks called Logic and Dichotomy the jews talked about in allegory as the tree of knowledge of good and evil...
I’d love to hear what people think that allegorical tree was if not the same “substance” the Greeks call logic that can take any “form” and created all forms...
People were too stubborn and uneducated to connect the obvious dots 2500 years ago, and were too bigoted to admit another culture might know God just as well as they did...but let’s drop the bullshit and call it how it is. Hashem and Logos are describing the same thing.
It takes a mind doing logical division and making certainty out of uncertainty to have any reality at all.
We must remember that “belief” as we know it is a relatively modern affliction, and that the scriptures were not written by or sourced from lazy thinkers. Especially when it comes to the wisdom of Moses we should know that he studied in Egypt and had a royal education. David was not a lazy thinker trying to put a bandaid over ignorance with “belief”...No, allegory in that time and place was the mathematics of its day and should be treated like the wisdom and logic that it is. It is not something to hand to a child and say “you must believe this”....that’s ridiculous...if you handed it to Albert Einstein you should still say “good luck understanding all there is to be found in this scripture”....
You should know him not believe in him as if we were all ok with uncertainty and belief we didn’t need to do any of this “life” and ordering the universe crap...God couldve save a lot of time by just leaving things as uncertain chaos if belief was his thing...
The most reasonable minds don’t hate but if there was one thing they fear and detest it is going back to the chaos, confusion and insanity of the illogical state we started with.
Order is better than chaos and it can and will be made!
One thing for sure, you will know the truth when you die. Jesus repeatedly warned that the end will come for the world when mass deception is everywhere. The news and Rabbi Tovia confirm his warning.
Tovia is an attribute to HaShems beauty and mandate for all of us who know how to approach Hashem in sincerity.
Thankyou Father for your continual goodness .
The rabbi's can't even approach Hashem what makes you think you can. The Almighty is Holy, they are not, and neither are you. Try calling for a rabbi when someone is dying in the hospital, they don't know what to say or how to comfort a family. They don't even know if they are going to a better place. Sad, indeed.
I have known all this stuff for years but I love his ability to communicate it so succinctly. What a mind.
Another excellent response from Rabbi Singer
@Paul Morgan I agree... I'm actually an atheist who loves watching the rabbi take down Christianity. Christianity is a fascinating myth and I have a hard time understanding why more people don't see it as such.
A really interesting question is where was Jesus between the ages of 12 and 30? You mean that God was walking around for 18 years and no one noticed?... no one followed him around?...scribes just ignored him?.....It's like there's this great hoopla surrounding his birth... and then the whole middle east suddenly gets collective amnesia! Then... when he does finally show up at 30.. no one asks where the hell he's been!
The gospels defy chronology, logic, and falsely promote a pagan faith in a human, virgin born deity who resembles Zeus, Osiris and other pagan myths.
In Mark, Yeshua is a righteous man who Yahweh adopts as his sacrificial lamb, so it's understandable that his infancy would be irrelevant. Matthew and Luke make Yeshua divine by birth but not God, so you'd expect him to have done something interesting before age 30 worth writing about. John however, makes Yeshua co equal with Yahweh, so he should have been able to do algebra and quantum theory at age 2. He should have at least have been worth writing about in that form. High Christology... making mindless sheep out of Christians for nearly 2000 years!
@@davidmoran4675 John does not make him out to be divine, with the verse, "in the beginning the word was with God" it is the reader that forces these meanings into the text, The same Bible states the word of God, draws out your true intentions.
Non Employable The Word of GOD is living and powerful, sharper than a two edge sword, piercing even the division of soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and is a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart.
Seems to me, the authors only put what was relevant of showing JESUS was messiah and ascension to Lordship.
Jesus Alou was born
March 24, 1942 and played for the San Fransico Giants from 1963 to1968
Moronvideos1940 And part of a trinity along with Matty and Felipe....
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I think I'm turning into my mother. I can't stop looking at those curtains that need ironing.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hey Jaxtraw...r u from Wichita by any chance?
You are definitely turning into something cause this excerpt was done 3 years ago.
That shows us a little bit about how conscious minds are “wired” and what we exist for.
We are 1/infinite consciousness, and not even a “length of the bracelet” but a defined point on it (where it can not afford to be cut either if that makes you feel less small as it should) while what we call Hashem is the “substance” of logic itself, all forms logic takes or creates and the part of consciousness that remained 1/infinity when it split to create a family to keep it company, because it is not good to be alone, even for God.
Hashem is basically everything but other free willed minds who are still his creation, his children and “made in his image” aka made to think logically and gain knowledge like him.
Part of this and to get back on topic to where I started a little bit, Gods mind is the “aura” of logic itself, aka the ability for logic to branch out from itself and be re-applied to itself (metalogic) as well as of course being able to parse and logically divide infinite uncertainty into an infinite amount of reasoned and certain knowledge, and it’s purpose is to take existence from an illogical and confused state (think of a completely wrinkled curtain or something lol...a curtain that hasn’t even been made or ironed yet but could be) to the tautological and fused state we think of as heaven or paradise.
We have that same eye for disorder as Hashem and it’s how we can be contributing members of the family. When we order something it is the most literal way to do “Gods work” and take the load off other minds including Hashem...
You are right to call out those wrinkles, I probably wouldn’t have noticed but one of us needs to, because it is in that way that we can pull order out of chaos and further stabilize creation.
Can you imagine if we just had an eye for what is right and we’re ok with things being 50% good? Can you imagine what a pile of trash the universe would be if we were made in the image (split off from) a God like that? It would be a disaster and the suffering of the illogical would be endless....paradise and tautological order of creation would never occur.
All suffering comes from things that are illogical in substance and/or form and the completely illogical is what reality has had to pull itself out of for the world we know to exist....it is already paradise compared to the primordial chaos but it’s not complete yet.
There is a good reason those curtains drive you up the wall, and it’s because you are like both your mother and your creator, and the joy of order is better than the suffering of chaos.
Sorry for getting so deep in a comment about some curtains but when it really does point to something so much deeper than meets the eye, I feel obliged to speak up and share...
@@lazarchill8514 if it was 3 years ago then they definitely better be ironed by now :)
I don’t think that having had more time to get things done is a good excuse for having done less.
Wholehearted thanks to you Rabbi Singer.
Owing to budget cuts and the uncertain nature of the Holy Spirit, God announced today that the role of Holy Spirit will henceforth be made redundant.
Jesus and God will therefore now be referred to as the Holy Duo.
Originally they wanted to be called the “Dynamic Duo” but Batman took them to court.
Thanks! Rabbi. An older one but new to me! A Noahide qnd former Christian who is so thankful for your teaching! Keep telling them the truth!!
Jesus is a metaphorical character based on Appolonius of Tyana. There's a long list of match ups that verify that both Jesus and Paul are characters based on Appolonius of Tyana.
He was a real historical Greek man who did perform miracles and did have disciples. The Bible was formed and fashioned by Greeks and Romans.
This all needs to be taken into consideration.
He was an interesting character. It’s too bad we don’t know more about him directly. Didn’t some emperor’s wife ask for a biography for him to be written but now it’s lost?
@@chriswinchell1570 I heard about that too. It seems based on all information we have available that he is St. Issa. His writings started showing up in places between 30-40 A.D. Delbert Blair claims he's the author of the book of revelation too. He was recorded performing miracles and he had disciples too
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@@survivormanablest issa
What you mean
@@ARRusulOneMessage St.Issa is the oldest an only credible writings of a historical Jesus. What's in the Bible is a Roman story created for control.
It shouldn’t take this long to disprove someone doesn’t exist. I’m sure the Lord Jesus is laughing at all this
I don’t think he existed.
Ficitonal figure 😂😂
Paul's invented figure 😂😂
Great video and teaching, thanks ❤
Well, I have nothing but love for you Tovia, as I have listened to you a great deal these last few months. But I am extremely serious about the healing of Hashem's servants and what these people have to say. WHERE do I find testimonies and help regarding this? I did come across a wonderful testimony of a sick boy that was instantly healed after a rabbi sacrificed a lamb, it was awesome. Other than that, I need help with any resource, no matter how remote, you can give me. PLEASE.
The Jews I know are more discrete and discuss their healing with close family and friends. I found this for you www.aish.com/sp/so/48900867.html?s=srcon
Excited to watch this!
Jesus is as real as Harry Potter. 😂
Actually I think the Islamic narrative that there was an historical Jesus but that he was not crucified or God supports the position that Christian mythologies originated as exaggerations about a real person. Sort of like the Robin Hood stories.
weren't Nazarenes a sect or group of Jews in the Jewish scriptures and there was a prophesy about a Nazarene, and Matthew mistook this prophesy to mean a person from a place he thought was Nazar. So he made up the story of Jesus coming from their and from David's town Bethlehem. So does it not confirm the mythical story and not a historical being?
I was thinking the same thing. That's what I've read as well. Or it could be that Nazareth has some other meaning that was significant to Jews or Greeks of the time, but has now been lost to time.
Love the lectures, and music is awesome, I don’t understand a single word but still love it
This was excellent. The only thing I thought was questionable was his implication that we know Q existed. It's certainly a popular hypothesis among scholars. But we don't actually have even a scrap of it, nor any other text that directly references it.
Interesting, there had to have been a source tho.
@@Wretched2JZ Why? If "Luke" copied from "Mark", then couldn't he just copy from "Matthew" as well?
Jesus is the angel with gods name in him that your moses seen, that your Abraham seen. Who became flesh and fully embodied the torah with his actions.
An unbegotten angel the was the mouth piece of the father, higher than the angels because gods name within him gave him that authority
*Tovia Singer:* Rabbi, I was just wondering....maybe I missed it, or maybe you say it elsewhere in another video, that the "New Testament" is NOT scripture that was given by God, but is a man-made work of fiction invented by Paul and the Romans, to wipe out the Jewish people by getting them to convert to their new religion, "Christianity", and also so that they would no longer have to be "under the law". Therefore, nothing that comes out of the NT is valid, and shouldn't even be entertained, should it, since Christians are starting from the wrong premise? Since the NT was invented, from what I've read, at least 20 years after "Jesus", was dead, and Paul never even met Jesus, how can the NT quote Jesus word-for-word? Just try remembering what YOU said yesterday "word-for-word"! That in itself, should tell Christians, when informed of this, that the NT is false, but when you're wrapped up in Christianity, as I used to be, these things just don't occur to you - same with the binding of Yitzhak - the Christian Bible, as you know, turns it into the "sacrifice of Isaac", and goes on to extrapolate that it is a 'type' or 'shadow' of the crucifixion of "Jesus", which I also never noticed, until I got out of Christianity. I, my husband and one daughter, eventually converted to Orthodox Judaism, and I must say, the world makes a LOT more sense now!
Pilate decided to release Barabas and so are Singer and you
You made the right choice, and as Tovia admitted here, there is not any certainty about a historical Jesus since there is no real evidence other than what is written in the Greek gospels themselves. It is like using the Harry Potter books to prove the existence of Harry Potter or the wizard world, and we all know that this series is entertaining but entirely fictional. The Romans were mocking Hebrew literature called typology when they created a character called Jesus that just so happens to parallel the life of Moses. Male children being slaughtered by a fearful king, and so forth. These are not coincidental but were intentionally planned. Crucifixion is not one of the four capital punishments commanded in our Torah. There are hundreds of clues as to the origin of the gospels, and they were politically inspired, not prophetically inspired writings. Rome wanted a passive messiah and a passive Jewish population. There were not less than four Jewish revolts, after all.
@@72Yonatan
You're more confused than a flea on a teddy bear
You don't understand the purpose of God. You have religion now, but your personal relationship with God is now hindered. You will not experience the presence of God as long as you reject Yeshua'
I think it is crazy to think the Romans concocted christianity. 2nd Thessalonians and matthew 24 cite Daniel 9 about the antichrist who would desecrate the jewish temple. What you're saying is that the Roman empire wrote the new testament to portray the roman emperor titus who destroyed the temple in 70 AD as the antichrist. Hard to "control the masses" when you're calling yourself the antichrist.
Jesus did not exist, but Issa, the son of Myriam did exist, the two aren't the same character, one was a Prophet the other was a fictitious person.
To me the best evidence that he existed and was crucified is that on the cross he says "Eli Eli lamah azavtani" meanining "my G-d, my G-d, why have you forsaken me." This statement is so counter to Christian theology about Jesus that it's almost certainly genuine.
And proves the falseness of Christianity
Considering that's literally the first line of Psalm 22, doesn't it make more sense that the Gospel authors were pulling dialogue from Scripture rather than recording history?
So, I was raised Christian but I quit believing Jesus was God. I am of a small number who think Paul was a false apostle, and think the disciples of Jesus believed and taught people to keep the Torah. When I read the bible I reject the books authored by Paul, and I see Jesus (Yeshua) as continually teaching everyone to keep the Torah. How would a Jew view a perspective such as the one I have come to reach? According to Luke 1:5,6 Zechariah was named as "righteous" because he kept all the commandments, statutes and ordinances. This verse proves Paul's claim that "no one is righteous, no not even one" (Roman's 3:10) to thereby be a lie.
Look into what Nehemiah Gordon specifically says about Karaism/Karaite Judaism. If you reject the divinity of Yeshua, you may be interested in Karaism. Even if you don't, Nehemia's teachings offer a lot of valuable insight and information.
How can Jesus be descendant of King David (Messiah) and also Son of God? If Jesus was God why did he worship God? If Jesus was God than how did he died on the cross?
Tx 1985 Exactly. G-D cannot die.
well this question will never get an answer from Christians anyone will give you different answer !
Tx 1985 in the Tanak, it says that no man has seen YHWH's face and yet live.... Yet, YHWH states He speaks to Moses face to face. There are so many accounts within the Tanak of men encountering YHWH... So do we have contradictions within tanak? Of course not. Just because there are contradictions within christiandom, doesn't mean their aren't in Judaism. The only logical explanation is that this truly is the Son of Elohim or one who would come in His name. The debate however goes on if Yeshua was indeed that persona.
YHWH states He speaks to Moses face to face is this symbolically or literally ?
"as a man speaks with his friend"
Is that figurative language?
Dear Kvod haRav Singer. Can you help me understand the argument in Sanhedrin Who are Pandira and Stada (Perhaps SATETA). I need a Maane Loshen.
Plenty of messiah around that time from pilo to Simon magus could it be that Paul just did a great PR job
In my honest opinion Paul was either an agent of Rome that created the Catholic church or Rome used his teachings in starting the church.
@@caleborillion2171 Paul existed way before the Roman Catholic church existed.
@@waynehampson9569 yes i never said he didn't. In fact, I said that he was there before the church and that he either helped create it or his teachings did. Either way he was an agent of Rome, Rome before Catholicism.
Why would he be in the Talmud? Jews hated him according to a different yet seemingly accurate text.
Mathew 10:5-6 JC doesn't like gentiles or Samaritans .
Batman comic book makes more sense than the NT.
I never realized how insane this Christian scripture is. This explains Mich of their behaviors in heretication.org. שלום
Mit< Jesus died for both,so that really makes sense.thanks
@@joman388 J died for his own sins.
Fundamentalists rigidly adhere to the belief that Jesus existed and do not entertain any counter arguments.
Mythicists rigidly adhere to the belief that Jesus never existed and do not entertain any counter arguments.
Two extremes; same closed, blinkered mindset.
Between the two extremes, however, there is a broad spectrum of possibility, ranging from, “Yes, he did”, to , “No, he didn’t”.
Jesus of Nazareth was for the Jews not for Gentiles. First anti christ Paul the Apostle mislead the Gentiles.
Jesus not For Jews
Jesus was a jew but his massage was for all of mankind
@@asjadsalman348 Jesus was a Jew is message for all mankind
@ 1:40 + IF "Jesus" lived in the FIRST THIRD OF the FIRST CENTURY, How did it get to be, HOW was it the FIRST CENTURY?? The FIRST CENTURY OF/FROM WHAT?? Adam lived almost 10 centuries. < Hopefully by saying that, You will explain this FIRST CENTURY to me. Thanks
Another awesome video! Thank you Rabbi Singer. ✡️
So the mythicists would say Paul knew James who had a non-existent brother named Jesus? And all those early Christians were awaiting the soon return of someone who never arrived in the first place?
Jesus Alvarez was a wonderful ball players, and so was Jesus Alou. Lot's of Jesus around and lots of people who are great athletes. Love baseball and love Israel. God Bless the Jews.
This question may have been asked before but if seraph is the singular term and seraphim is plural and malech is King and malechim is Kings why is G-d's name plural?
Jesus of Christianity, REALLY.
CORRECTION it's YESHUA and he was JEWISH not Christian.
@Yerachmiel HaLevi I like that, so Yeshu means that, and Yeshua means different? There are two Jesus, incase everybody is confused.
No Anthony. Only have the Greek jesus name recorded. Is it yeshua. Yoshke. Yeshu. Yehoshua. Lol you are going ti have to stick with saying jesus otherwise you are only guessing
Does it matter what Jewish sect one belongs to? Reformed, Conservative or Orthodox?
Yes it does
They have 5 deities. The father the son the holy ghost ,Mary mother of "g-d",Satan .
Protestants have 4 canceling the Mary thing. Oh Santa and Easter rabbit also.
Annissa
Go away
Are you referring to the Esther bubby? Hahaha.
Obviously, you don’t read the Hebrew Scripture because it tells that you Jews are idol worshipers (Amos 5:26) and that you are dead (Amos 5:4). As in dead (Isaiah 65:11-12). No one to help you (Amos 5:2) 😭😭😭. Wherein the Hebrew Scriptures does it says that Christians are idol worshipers??? 🤓🤣😂
The simple answer is no, the once and for all answer is no.
Said Eli Cueva Sava . No, an intelligent atheist actually. You are right though, I have no knowledge of “chrustuanity” but I do know about Christianity obviously better than someone who can’t even spell it.
Said Eli Cueva Sava . I have thousands of better ones. And you call me dumb, where the truth is it’s religious believers who are mentally impaired. You may know more about it than me, because you may know a lot more of the “Evil” stories in the bible than I do because I haven’t read the whole thing
Said Eli Cueva Sava . I allow for the possibility that a “man” named Jesus did exist. If he did, he may have been a decent fellow among the savages of the time. Maybe he was appalled by all the bad things people were doing to each other. He could have developed a cult following and became revered as a God. As you know the people of those days were quick to call anyone or anything a god, as they did for even thunder and lightning. No matter how righteous such a man he may have been he was not a God. Empty tomb says nothing. People could easily have moved the body. As for his so called father, he was invented by even more ancient savages some thousand or more years prior, he was a figment of primitive imagination. The amount of so-called God sanctioned slaughter of men women children and babies in the most evil book ever written, is enough to tell me that such an evil, and highly immoral monster could not have created mankind. And no, science does not back up religion. Even if I did believe he was real, I would say send me to hell, because I could not bring myself to worship a sick bastard who says that disobedient children should be stoned to death.
The first step is realizing Christians worship the king of Babylon, Not the king of the Jews!
God tests His peoples loyalty (Deut. 13), JC was merely a test of the Israelite people.
Compare (Is.14 12-15) and the inquest by the Pharisee Priest just prior the crucifixion in KJV (Matt.26 62-66).
One is the "Son of the morning" (Is.14 12) the other is the "Bright Morning Star" (Rev.22 16). Their Christ is the king of Babylon, not the king of the Jews.
Most say Nebuchadnezzar was the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14). But when did Nebuchadnezzar say "he would rise to heaven and rule the angles", "take the throne of assembly far away to the north", "climb to the highest heavens and be like God himself"?
Is.14 is a song of scorn the redeemed of Israel recite over the 'current king' of Babylon after God ‘once again’ redeems His people (Is.14 1-4).
God tests His People (Deut.13 1-6), Their Christ was merely a test of the Jews, those who fell for Juses turned their backs on God and His covenant. Don't be standing in the middle of the road come judgment day.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut.13%3A1-5%2CIs.14%3A1-4%2CIs.14%3A12-15%2CMatt.26%3A62-66%2CRev.22%3A16&version=KJV
Every man dies for his own sins, the person eating the sour grapes is the one who's teeth are set on edge. The idea was for man to turn back from the sins of their fathers and return to the Sovereign God of Israel (Deut.30). Note verses 6-10...
Me Very Messy real Christians don’t worship Jesus or believe that he’s God. We hear God himself like Moses did.
@@theartzscientist8012: What the HELL are you even talking about??!! You're just making stuff up as you go along!! Christians PRAY to "Jesus" and most certainly DO consider him "God" (God forbid!!)!!
Janis Hart the true Christian doesn’t worship Jesus. The false Christian does.
ÒγÓ REGIMÈ no one that has a religion is a true Christian. Only those that hear God’s voice.
@@theartzscientist8012: Christians DO NOT "hear God's voice", except when He calls them to repent of the false, pagan, man-made, anti-God, anti-Jewish, replacement theology RELIGION called "Christianity"! PLEASE do the research on the origins of your false religion, that is NOT from God, Creator of the universe!
wow some folks sure work hard to prove that the person of Jesus never existed. Seems odd that a person who never existed had so much power to even have BC and Ad in world history. I believe it was God himself who said this is a stiff necked people.
Your JC would say that. The G-d of our Torah, loves His Chosen people. Stiff necks?! Talk about antisemitism. What a believer you are. Love???? Lol
Brenda Unland Jesus is real but he isn’t God.
He had nothing to do with our modern calendar. A monk in the 6th century commissioned by the Pope to figure the future dates of Easter (more Pagan stuff) came up with this dating system. It became popular and is still with us. Only B.C. and A.D. are not universal. Us non Christians call it C.E. and B.C.E.
You sure sound like you Don’t show love either calling someone anti semite for not believing your blasphemy
John 3:36
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
Was the Myth of Jesus fabricated around a John like figure , for John like characters most likely did exist before and around that period
Respects to all ...this is my opinion
Jesus could not have existed because abraham never existed either.
The Rabbi just demonstrated the Jewish rejection of the Messiah. They completely deny the miracles of Jesus, they don't acknowledge what they did, or want to accept the crucifixion of their Messiah. They're in complete denial, but like it's stated in the New Testament, it will be this way untill the Second Comming, only untill the return of the Messiah will they see their errors and their wrongs.
And Santa claus must be real. Yes, I reject Jesus, believed in the fairytale ignorantly 20 years. Turned back to my Torah for the truth. The NT reeks of antisemitism. Guess you didn't loose loved ones in the holocaust?!
No hystorical evidence for king david too but we accept it as truth
Because you trust the Jewish traditions
Is there a heaven...what happens when we die....is there salvation....what am I supposed to believe...WHAT IS TRUTH
Read the Hebrew bible, and find the truth there!!
Read the Qur'an
Islam is believing in all real Judaism prophets and christ as a real messenger and Muhammed the seal of prophets none of them left and you are in safe side you don't make distinction between them all as sample as that
Abel have you finish the truth yet?
Islam is the truth,Study alquran and prophet muhamnad s,a.w you will find ultimate truth if you really seeking truth.
This is absolutely nothing to do with the question but what does Tovia Singer think of Lev Tahor and the groups in Mea Shea'rim?
I always understood the he would be called a nazarine was more referring to the not cutting hair and following the Jewish nazarite vow the way of seperating to become consercrated
That seems unlikely because in Hebrew Nazirite is spelled with a Z, naZir, but Nazareth is spelled with a TZ, NaTZrat
Several things:
(5:52) As documented by Carrier and others the original term for Christians (Nazorian) has nothing to do with Nazareth as the words have totally different origins (sort of like Chief and Chef in US English). In fact, Epiphanius points out in that in Panarion 29 "the Nazarene sect was *before* Christ and did not know Christ.". Moreover if Nazareth was as small as everyone says it is it would have been "Jesus of _where_ ?! It would be like thinking Jack the Nut was Jack of Nutt (an obscure town in New Mexico)
(7:50) When Marcion of Sinope put together the first Christian bible ca. 140 CE, his Luke (Evangelikon) had no birth story. While his critics claimed he removed this portion it is more likely that the Luke as we know it today was written in response to Marcion's Luke. More over Irenaeus' Against Heresies (c 180 CE) documents the existence of a sect of Christianity led by Cerinthus who "represented Jesus as having *not* been born of a virgin, but as being the son of Joseph and Mary according to the ordinary course of human generation, while he nevertheless was more righteous, prudent, and wise than other men."
If yeshua is not important why the rabbi so concern and spend so much of their time focusing on him and trying to shield the jews from him and millions of miracles are done in his name .did you folks here about rabbi kuduri he was a believer in yeshua and many of his students are still alive and they are believers as well and they are telling their story right in israel.
I thought you said there were negative references to a Jesus that were taken or concealed from the Talmud. Wouldn't that prove insofar as it could be proven that he existed.
Well Rabbi Singer. Josephus was born in 37AD. Pilate was replaced and the Ceasar died. That means it would probably be around minimum AD 62 Josephus reached academic maturity to start collecting the chronicle events that happened in Judaea at that time. The killing of the innocents happened according to Matthew by early 4BC. Josephus omits the "effigies" controversy that created friction between Pilate and the Herodians. Luke (23:12 kjv) recorded a passage aluding to it and confirmed by philo I think. No trace by Josephus on this. That proves Josephus did not have a comprehensive collections of Judaean chronicles as many think.
einc70 , Josephus didn't mention the killing of the innocents for the same reason the NY Times didn't mention the alien space ship landing in Time's Square during the 1997 New Year's celebrations. It did happen. Therefore, no one reported it. This is not complicated. Philo was alive at the time of this non-event. Jews lived in Bethlehem at the time. Do you really believe that no one mentioned that Herod killed every child in Bethlehem? No one?
einc70 no one has the original Josephus in Aramaic. Vatican had possession of it for centuries. After they admittedly inventing and adding 1 John 5:7-8 trinity and Mark 16:9-20 I would be skeptical of any scriptures which the church maintained. Shalom
mitzvah golem thank you for the info.
I didn't understand your original question. Thank you for pointing that out. Chag samayach. Be blessed.
mitzvah goilem , Josephus wrote his book in greek not Aramaic
Why are there so many cuts in this? The rabbi sounds like max headroom.
Was hoping for your evidence proving the man existed. Seems there are so many myths around this character and very little facts. I watch all your videos and usually see your points but after listening today I believe he existed less than you do.
He gave evidence. Why would they mention he’s from Nazareth if he werent a real person? Why would Jewish tradition treat him as a real false messiah if he was just a ghost story. There is no incentive for either of those things if the story is just fake and no real messianic claimant named Josh existed.
I guarantee that if I’m allowed to search over like a 50-100 year span of history that there have been at least 25 guys named Josh in America since 1960 that have thought they were messiah too lmao...it’s not hard to believe the claim was made, it just strains all credulity to say he wasn’t a liar. He told people to follow him and that alone and didn’t stop their worship of him to redirect it towards logic/God. He led people into illusion and has not returned as promised to pull them out of it or bring real proof/knowledge of God.
You’re probably conflating proof with evidence. There is little in history that can be logically proven as a certainty. Even the JFK assassination, which is on film, is not certain (and to be clear I think Oswald did it an the left wing media doesn’t like admitting a socialist killed one of America’s favorite presidents...but it’s not 100% certain and proven...)
You’re right to want proof of God, which will lead you in the right direction towards logic.
Logic=God as Logic is the most logical and self evident of all things.
The word logic is something humans made up but the “substance” of it, the thing that lurks behind the name is Hashem.
There is consciousness, and of course this is where Judaism is more correct to treat hashem like a being than just a substance or “just math” but even the root of consciousness must be logic or it would not be logical (extant).
The people who claim the Jews were just blind to their prophet or messiah all had a lot of hot air to blow but little substance.
Logic is tautological, it is self evident. You want proof of what I said that is it and no arguments need to ensue. The Jewish scripture said this many times but maybe most clearly when God told Moses “I am that I am”...Logic is just logical because it’s logic and if that’s redundant then good, you’re starting to get the concept of a valid circular argument (one that is not fallacy) and how important it is to self created and self sustaining creation.
Beyond Josephus in one passage (crucifixion) there is no firm historical or archaeological evidence. Singer is intuiting (correctly imo) that the *likelihood** that a real person existed upon whom much mythology was created is greater than not. This person was somewhere between an apocalyptic preacher and healer and in Hinduism what would be called Avatar (fully realized human being). Now everyone is God in drag but the Avatar is the fullness of it in flesh. Kind of a mirror, saying "you are this, this is the truth of who you are". In John Jesus is Avatar but John and Christianity get it wrong by saying "this guy is the one and only" For me I believe something powerful happened with and around this guy to give the followers "legs". The Gospels and Paul are a mess but it seems something authentic is present. I mean all his followers when alive were Jewish. Who would say to Jews under the heel of Rome "forgive your enemies" when the Bible said "an eye an eye" and everyone would not just get up an leave
Roman catholics causing such only their own type of scriptures and they hated the truth of Jewish scriptures, which is one of the reasons why we left catholic church, and not even caring about the Creator Heavenly Fathers Truth of the old testament. HASHEM IS THE ONLY Sovreign God Who caused us to experience His mentoring, since focusing on His Own Character gave us joy of His lovingkindness throughout our life. I loved resting in Him too.
Wow! i loved your song Tovia Singer. I often love jewish worship to Hashem. If you ever made a book of truth can we know if we can buy it if we afford it. I also treasure my husband.
Even if a town called Nazareth was found who says "Jesus" came from there other than the Gospels? Peter Parker was supposed to have grown up in Queens, New York...but of course...But what if there really was a Queen's citizen named Peter Cottontail who some people knew, but not many...couldn't a creative person combine stories about the two "Peters" into ONE?
Exactly. The character of Jesus is a composite of Flavian Titus himself [the military campaign in the Galilee with his journey to Jerusalem through the Jordan Valley] with various local figures that are not known to history today. The moving scene in the Garden of Gesthemene was based upon a slain Jewish youth of 17 named LAZER - short for Eliezer, and from which was created "Lazarus." Josephus used real people as the basis for some of these creations. Josephus is probably still suffering in Gehinnom for his crimes and betrayals. But he lived a charmed good life in his Roman apartments, while millions of his countryment suffered and died horrible deaths. Someone told me that he admired a survivor, but I have to say that it depends upon his character, not merely upon the fact of his surviving. Everything has its price.
Tovia’s point is that the town is so insignificant that it would be odd to make up someone who was from there. It’s not definitive proof. I suppose one could argue that you would not want to make up a guy from someplace well known because it would make him stand out and someone may check.
@@chriswinchell1570 Another said Nazareth wasn't on any ancient map and didn't exist until well after Christianity was established...
@@pulsarstargrave256 I have seen the back n forth over the years. Did archaeologists ever come to a conclusion?
@@chriswinchell1570 I don't know but it's no longer an issue for me.
There has always been David Koresh types throughout history, the jesus character did not exist.
Nope The Man called Jesus did not exist ✡️
so, you can be certain of something if it's in a book you consider to be holy?
Not just Holy but Also Historical
Who is your Savior? How do you get rid of sin?
JC STORY = BS
First, It's not Jesus of Nazareth, It's Jesus the Nazorean. And second, Considering that the story has something of real only because a random city is mentioned is naive. The fact that New York is mentioned in Spiderman, it doesnt make him a real character.
Why's it "Jesus" anyway? If his name were Hebrew "Yeshu`," then shouldn't that be Anglicized to Joshua? His name was in fact `Ēsho, hence the Arabization `Īsā.
But he certainly existed.
Jesus is a Latin name.
Rasheed Gillespie it should be Yah-shua. Which means "Salvation" in hebrew.
Yah-husha? That's so wrong lol...
Deborah Exactly, because his name in Aramaic was `Ēsho (as I said originally)... note the position of the `ayn. Arab Christians call him Yasū` because of the presumption of his name being Hebrew for "salvation" when it simply wasn't.
Walter Phillips I'm not being a fool. It would actually be foolish to say otherwise with the degree of certainty you are.
Isaiah 9:6!!! Did Jesus exist? Why is Jesus Christ the only name cussed in vain all over the world? Especially by atheists. That's quite the honour to give to somebody who never existed!
Rabbi Tovia Singer is a mythical figure!
There is proof he exists.
Pasquale Chiacchio Wow. How clever.
@@vdelrio999: Can you share your "proof" with the class?! 😆😉
a council is needed. historicity is doubtful.
@@vdelrio999 The Rabbi may be mythicial in the sense that He doesn't seem to follow His own scriptures on marriage and girlfriends,thankfully the law of Moses the rabbi "believes " in isn't being followed or he would be in big twouble.than ks
Excellent analysis.
How do we know Moses existed if it wasn't for the Tanakh and the Talmud? Are there any other sources outside that? If no, then why are you use different approach when it came to Jesus?
Pororoca Alien exactly. Tovia is a hypocrite. There is tons of evidence for a historical Jesus and ZERO for a Moses, King David, and so-on. But Tovia doesn't care that his argument, when applied to his beliefs, kills his belief system. Everything he says against Jesus can be applied 1000 times more to Moses and things like God splitting a sea open. Tovia is a class A example of a hypocrire.
Come on man, don't be rude.
So, just because you heard claims from your father that they have met Moses face-to-face, that's true? What about Christians who heard claims from Jesus's Disciples that they met Jesus face-to-face? How is that different?
Abiogenesis Zero Proof, had you listened to this video, you would have discovered that I believe that Jesus was likely a historical figure. What then is your point? Moreover, we have lot's of archaeological evidence for King David. We have no archaeological evidence for Jesus. Nothing.
>"God doesn't exist."
>"Show proof."
>"...."
Typical atheist. Claiming things that they themselves have no proof of. Why not take the middle route and being agnostic?
Joseph was from Judah as well. Not just Matthew didn't think that. Luke 2:4,15. John 7:42 kjv thought that too.
Christians Jesus never existed never died for sins on the cross never raised from the death and never claim to be God and never was part of Trinity.. Thank you for fighting idolatry !!!
Ali Hassan you wish. He did exist. :)
Ali Hassan the proof Allah confirmed his existence in the Quran.
haha no he didn't
The Jesus we know has nothing to do with Christians Jesus.
Ali Hassan Ali Hassan well the Jesus I know is the one that Muslims love to cling on the other idea that he was switched with someone else by whom and where? Guess what Muslims have no other sources to turn to? Which one? The NT isn't that funny? S4:157-159. Well back to the NT cos you have no back up to that.
Hello rabbi singer, is it the case that David’s child died for David’s sin, does this actually confirm vicarious atonement
David child did not die for his sin that is madness. His punishment was that the sword will not depart from his house. He would always have strife. 2Samuel 16 verse 10 10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from thy house; because thou hast despised Me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife
The death of the child was secondary. 14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast greatly blasphemed the enemies of the LORD, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.'
If the child lived it would suggest that the almighty condoned a blasphemous act
Camelio Dorsett thank you for your answer
More likely he existed than moses, more evidence.
Moses is part of our national history he was a active leader of our people and we know about him the same way any nation knows about their past leader from word of both from generation to generation and books writen in clearly dated chronological books. How do you know George Washington was real?
Moses is part of our national history he was a active leader of our people and we know about him the same way any nation knows about their past leader from word of mouth from generation to generation and books writen in clearly dated chronological books. How do you know George Washington was real?
@@BruceWayne-th8gv peace be on Moses
'...and that is what Jesus says'. Nope, Jesus never says he was born of a virgin. Just one example of this guy being ignorant on the scholarship on Jesus.
I don't really think Jesus or Isa or whatever you Christians call him existed, I mean, his story sounds a bit TOO similar to pagan gods of old.
I shall turn away from My Ayat (verses of the Quran) those who behave arrogantly on the earth, without a right, and (even) if they see all the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they will not believe in them. And if they see the way of righteousness (monotheism, piety, and good deeds), they will not adopt it as the Way, but if they see the way of error (polytheism, crimes and evil deeds), they will adopt that way, that is because they have rejected Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and were heedless (to learn a lesson) from them. Quran 7:146 Quran (55:47) Which of your Lord's favours will you twain - you men and jinn - then deny?
Tzz, Jesus coming, and you see him. Now you can say everthing.
Rabbi what is Matthew’s incentive in being such a creative writer?
Yerachmiel HaLevi I’m sure there was a grander reason for such deception. Clearly Romans realized that the power of G-d was stronger than the power of Cesar.
@@altinokz didn't start off that way but, your'e correct, it grew into it. Rome changing their religion to xtianity was pure politics.
@Leonard Weisfeld 😂
NT is crazy book by the crazy people !
I've studied it and I completely agree. Add to that very dark and creepy.
I'm not sure it was a myth, because all the letters from the Apostles in the New Testament point to a figured called Jesus and many of those people met him personally (John, Peter, etc.). Paul met the Apostles who walked with Jesus. I have no doubt that he existed, whether he was the Messiah, Son of God, etc, that's different story.
Peter never claimed to have met Jesus! John never met Jesus, if by Join you mean the unknown gospel author of John.
Jesus is real and he still lives in glory today in heaven 😊 who i love and adore with all my heart my precious lord speaks to me through the Holy Spirit 😊
don't be silly Adam must always exist in every Torah repetition. if you, do not believe me go ask your grandmother of all again here in TheTorah again.
If you reject Jesus, you reject the God of Jacob.
jpmvidal That is an absolutely Lie and and just plain Ridiculous
jpmvidal Actually it's quite the opposite, especially for the Jews. G-d tells us NOT to worship Jesus. To accept Jesus as some kind of divine savior is to disobey our Creator. Christians who have been taught all their lives that "Jesus is the L-rd" cannot be blamed for believing that, but Jews have no excuse, because they know better.
Heavens and earth were created through Jesus for Jesus is the Word of God. Before Abraham was, Jesus is. Jesus is the Son of Man who came with the clouds of heavens. If you want to walk the path of righteousness that leads to the Sacred God, follow Jesus. If you know Jesus, you know the God of Jacob.
jpmvidal G-d did use words to create heaven and earth, but for any Jew, he or she will not be "walking the path of righteousness that leads to G-d" by "following Jesus." Anytime we disobey G-d, that alienates us from Him, and He has commanded the Jews NOT to worship Jesus, or any other man, beast, or thing that has ever had a physical form, which Jesus has had. Therefore a righteous Jew would never worship Jesus.
The Temple being destroyed had nothing to do with rejecting Jesus. It was destroyed because of causeless hatred among the Jews.
Anyone who lives to see the Messianic era, will not need to "accept the Messiah." It will be obvious to everyone who the Messiah is. The world will be at peace., everyone will get along with each other including animals that had been natural enemies. The 3rd Holy Temple will be built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem
Did Jesus bring 1000 years of world peace? No. The next couple thousand years have been filled with bloody wars. What kind of a "messiah" is that? If he had really been the Messiah, the Temple would not have been destroyed.
And I think the main fall tovia has with his debt seen is the changing of the singular to plurel were the Bible talked about the suffering servant can someone please exsplain this angel or perspective and were he derives his information
But what was the motivation for these 4 men and Paul to write all this?
What was homer's motivation to write his books? Who were the authors of the gospels, really, agents of Rome perhaps? What kind of vested intereats did any of the authors of the books of the new testament have? Go deeper with your questions and you will see a bigger picture. Problem is the deeper you go the more questions you have instead of answers. The biggest one you'll end up with might be what is real?
Read cesars messiah
@@sleeexs yep i've reaf. Very compelling.
Just a question if all Jews are Descendents of Abraham them if Abraham was from babelon then Jews are the race of who ever the babelonians were right? And
There was no one named Jesus 2000 years ago. The name itself was from mid 17th c. CE. Not to be confused with Yeshua of Nazareth. People believed Yeshua as a Messiah to come for Israel, while the conquering Church made Jesus as their commander, call 'God' - God Jesus, the second person of three Gods in Trinity Godhead.
Ohhhh. I think tovia is totally wrong. God doesn’t need nobody to make a decision to send a prophet of his choice he disregarded the Hebrews to make a new covenant be and you will be. So the almighty is always right
The commandments of the Torah are eternal and immutable: 613 for Jews and the 7 Noahide commandments for Gentiles.
a masterclass
The real life figure that the mythology surrounds is Titus.
Yeshua is the greatest Israeli or Jew . He is the Seed of the woman.
Israel has not possessed all the lands under the Abrahamic Covenant. It is only through Yeshua all the nations are blessed.
you believe there was a figure. please make sense rabbi. this figure does not have a name. since you know everything
This Jesus in the thumbnail looks like walker Texas Ranger
Think of this no more sacrificing for sin if you have sin you can't be around god
Rabbi Singer, I am converting! Come to my bat mitzvah!
asking if Jesus existed is like asking if Superman existed. Both are works of fiction by writers. Just because a writer writes a book does not make it true. No matter how many writers work on that book or how smart they are
We believe that Moses turned a staff into a snake and parted the Red Sea because Hashem or the Holy Spirit gave him the authority... and yet we can’t understand that Hashem would send Himself into human form to take upon Him the sins of the world so He could be the last sacrifice... so we wouldn’t need to keep killing animals to cover us from our sins. That logic makes no sense to me, and I’m a descendant of Joseph Soloveitchik so I would say I have a good brain in my head.
Regarding Christian theology, Jesus never sacrificed himself. He was killed with no intention of sacrifice by his killers.
THIS FAKE TEACHER WILL NEVER TELL YOU THE FATHER IS BLACK. THE MASHIACH IS BLACK, THE ANGELS ARE BLACK, THE PROPHETS ARE BLACK AND THE APOSTLES ARE BLACK.
I know Jesus is God for Christians and Prophet for Muslims. But, was he the same man or different???
I've been to that famous cheese shop in Nazareth. It's called Cheeses of Nazareth!