It's so weird. Japanese companies initially see worldwide success because a large audience of westerners appreciate the Japanese culture, style, and methods of storytelling. Their response? "We must be more like Westerner to appease Westerner!" I just... I don't... We love you guys for being unapologetically Japan, not wannabe American!
This is a false read in a big way. What motivated the making of this game I don't know, but if you look at the actual games Square Enix is releasing you will see they are releasing tons of JRPG's that are very Japanese. This game is not a trend, it is a one off, in gameplay, ip, and well.... everything.
@Karkarov they aren't, tho I get so tired of the square defense force Most of the jrpgs they have released in the past 5 to 10 years have been multi-platform re-releases or shit like kingdom hearts 4 and ff7r. They have essentially dropped all traditional jrpgs outside of the occasional game like triangle strategy and tactics ogre re-release . They aren't 90s square anymore stop defending their practices. This is the same company with over 7 ff7 spinoffs and nfts planned they're creatively bankrupt
I mean, Japanese very often make their products a bit "less Japanese". Not too much, just a bit. Think of the Silent Hill games. You can tell it's got Japan written all over. And yet its a series of games that conform to a lot of typical western common places.
Feels like writers here were trying to mimic Neir with the wise talking book Weiss arguing and conversing with Kaine but failing miserably. Yoko Taro actually knows how to write.
Its crazy how the two Western games they did that were actually good they ruined them (Deus Ex and Sleeping Dogs). They got United Front shut down. Also they never did anything significant with the Legacy of Kain series other than a godawful PC only first persona multiplayer shooter (and they canceled a single player game which actually looked promising). So yeah killing those IPs, messing up Tomb Raider, messing up Hitman, and dropping the ball on Marvel's Avengers hard. Only GotG came out good somehow. And then of course there's their own Japanese made failings: FF XV taking 10 yrs to make and being mid, Left Alive being a poor attempt at Front Mission, Balan Wonderland......nuff said, Chocobo Racing reboot being a GaaS thats being shut down, and lastk....Babylon's Fall....or Babylon's Fail. So yeah this game is just another peg on their checklist of catching L's Lets hope FF XVI and FF Remake part 2 are decent. jeez..
It also not helping signing a no Xbox clause with Sony when they are not in the position financially to sign exclusive deals and when there other games except final fantasy is failing.
Ya we all saw that panel at the last E3 & all that signaling - I'm not touching this game. This character looks completely annoying and Matty said the endless dialogue continues constantly throught the entire game.
I spend most of my time these last few years learning as much as I can about politics and media bias, and my only real time to escape from all that nonsense is when I sit down for an hour or three a day and engross myself in a good video game. Now that they are relentlessly shoving thier politics and indoctrination in my face in that realm as well, I am more determined than ever to help take back our cultural spaces from these ideological bullies.
Well, supposedly, this game doesn't have that crap, but people aren't buying it. Hogwarts and The Last of Us Part 2 have that crap, but people rushed out to buy those games. People refuse to vote with their wallets and then continue to complain about how the problem hasn't gotten better. You are the problem!
@Jay_Sullivan I voted with my wallet on those two games. I saw the TLOU2 leaks and did not buy the game at all. Hogwash Legacy I am not buying because it's the only thing more gay than the last of us. And I'm using the word gay mid 2000's style.
By the way, this is the kind of dialogue you write when you're scared to DEATH of offending someone somewhere. How's that saying go? You don't need free speech to talk about the weather? lol. Just have your character tell the audience what's going on and every single inane thought they come up with in their lobotomized head. There's also the possibility that the writers are amateurs who've been hired for something other than their talent. Gotta hit those quotas, boys and girls.
How so? Whom would she have offended if she reacted more to your liking? You are being absurd. She was geeking out a bit because she just found out that she can perform some type of magic. I truly don't see the issue, and none of you are articulating it. What would the character have said or done if you made the scene?
@@Jay_Sullivan SHOW DON'T TELL. SHOW DON'T TELL. SHOW. DON'T. TELL. This is writing 101 and what people are complaining about. There's no good way to have your character blabber about how cool they think their new powers are, my friend of questionable taste. lmfao.
@@MundaneThingsBackwards , it's "Writing 101," says the guy who seemingly hasn't read Shakespeare. She wasn't even giving a soliloquy; she was speaking to someone or something that can converse with her. I'm sure you've never said to a friend something such as, 'did you see that shot?! I'm the greatest! Suck it.' Go watch another Critical Drinker video, as you clearly don't understand writing. Actually, you should probably study someone far better than he. Please, give me the dialogue that you would have written. I'm sure it's sublime.
@@Jay_Sullivan I'm all for trashing this game but the first clip I didn't find particularly bad. There's other clips which do show worst scenes but it's biggest failures are technical
Sanford and Son was one of the most popular shows across all demographic lines in the 1970s. The TV audience back then did not care at all that all of the characters were black. You couldn't make that show today. They would have to bombard the audience with "messages" and no one would sit through it. Let's go back to the 1970s and start again from there.
Agreed. As much as this game is flopping, I appreciate Forspoken is following what you just described, as race is inconsequential to the story and evidently is never even brought up.
That's funny and f***** up to you know this game is going to flop and speaking of Resident Evil imma go play that part 5 that has a Native American Indian woman don't have terrible dialogue🤔😎
I don’t even know how it’s possible to make dialogue this bad but they really showed us it’s possible. Keep it jrpg!! We love Japanese entertainment!! 🤦🏼♂️
@@LVTHORAscending the lead actress is the same girl you all remember from a certain Charlie's Angels that bomb at the box office yeah that is her I don't like the film it was given to me for free so you know this is very bad😎🤦
I tried the Forspoken demo, and there was too many things going on the screen. Dialogue aside, trying to figure out the menus, the controls, and the largely empty open world was disappointing enough to save me $70.
This game requires 4080 for PC to play on 4k 60 ... It is a poorly optimized game and these scenery do not require that graphic. It will run when optimized properly on 2060 at least. My game prototype with similar graphical level in pre alpha runs at smooth 70 in editor mode and 120 in standalone game mode on UE5 with RTX 2060 Super.
The last time Square tried to appeal to a western audience was 2001 and it nearly bankrupted them (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within) forcing them to merge with Enix as a result.
I refuse to believe that ForSpoken was done by the Japanese division of Square i mean this game has so many Check boxes It had to be done by the American division I guess Fingers crossed if FF16 will be any good Great job has always Melanie much love from the UK
I need to play the demo if it's still up. Heartbreak is painful. But, it must be done before we can move on. I was hyped for this game, too. Gameplay should be most important. But still, if you can't bare some aspect of a game, then it can really drag it down. The release state of some games in the last 5 years, for example, I've had to put down until they patched the gameplay. That would be crazy if they tried an experiment and patched the entire writing, story, dialogue and voice acting. LOL
As soon as "fuck" popped its ugly head up, I knew this was going to be cringe. What is up with "writers" these days depending so heavily on cursing every 8 seconds. Even in Ragnarok there was an unnecessary amount of it. Personally it should be reserved for really big uh oh or revelation type moments.
Thank you, Ms. Melonie! Where are these writers coming from??? Can't go to the movies, can't watch a play, can't see a commercial, and now can't play a game without this "crappy stuff". This stuff has gotten ridiculous and is oozing everywhere in so-called entertainment.
When I first saw the protagonist I was trying *SO HARD* to not write it off as a “Western-Sensitive” game, but then when she started talking I couldn’t take it anymore. It is so sad cuz the game itself looks *SO* promising in concept, but of course I can just feel the “Americanization” all over it
Compare this to the banter between Master Chief and Cortana when she first was inserted into his suit and therefore head: she made the snarky comment of Master Chief's head having "lots of space", to which he reacted with punching his helmet, "shaking" her up. Soon they found their groove: Master Chief started to appreciate what Cortana added to his capabilities and Cortana appreciated what Master Chief could do and that he was an honourable man. I miss having the competent writers and creators from those days.
My favorite was at the end of Halo CE where they had to go inside the Pillar of Autumn and he crashed the Banchee getting in and Cortana said "You did that on purpose didn't you?" LOL
I just moved sh*t with my mind said it 14x. Man, Mike Tyson should teach these writers how to write good humor dialogue before kicking ass. He's an expert with that.
There is something called the 'uncanny valley effect' that is generally applied in robotics to the uneasy feeling we get towards the human like appearance we try to recreate with robots, I believe that applies here as well. That's the reason why 3D artists need to make these adjustments.
That is part of it but you can see from the trailer that the face is much closer to the models. The in game one does some weird stuff with her mouth making it look like someone else, at best an ugly cousin. A cynic might wonder why they would make a beautiful woman look so rough.
@@monkian You're not wrong. From my memory of the still that Mel showed the textures and shaders would play a big role in that, looked a lot like my first year game dev character before I learned how to use normals, spec and gloss maps haha.
The pain.... THE PAIN!!! On a serious note, I saw the writing on the wall with this one a long time ago. Changing from a what looked to be a tech demo to a full fledged game definitely made it look like something was missed in the transition.
This trend in modern western gaming has been highly detrimental. As soon as I saw the launch trailers, I knew exactly what the final product was going to be. Once we see 'DEI' attributes deployed in a game, we know what's going to happen. And as soon as player see DEI in the game, we've been conditioned to simply walk away. A decade ago, nobody cared in the slightest. Now? Its met with a groan.
Yeah, heavily westernized Japanese games (that try to mindlessly copy western and woke trends) are mostly utter garbage. How are Japanese devs missing the point so badly is beyond me, the main reason Japanese games succeeded outside Japan mainly because they were quite different from Western games, sigh!
This is the R rated version of what my sister would say and act like after watching Hanna Montana and The Suite Life of Zack and Cody. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The protagonist talks like a Disney Channel character
It's kid-com level writing without the sex, drugs, and profanity filter. There's no charm from the actor or actress to leverage here, either. With that comes terribly unsubtle acting and painfully on-the-nose dialogue from characters you have to hope even have a second dimension to them.
She even reminds me of a TV-MA version of Alex Russo from Wizards of Waverly Place (which was on around the same time as those other shows) with her biting, mean-spirited snark. Again, this lady lacks the charm and softer moments presented over there to balance her out and make her more likable.
Hey Melonie! You look incredible. I know a lot of people have been giving you shade online over your post. They just don't get your sense humor or understand your point about cute tomboy characters looking fit without looking manly. You make great and fun (and funny too) videos. You're pretty darn cool in my book. Looking forward to the next LIVE Stream. Take care and have a wonderful day Melonie.💛💛💛
what needles my ample, Cherubic pink buttocks about this whole thing is that writing a humorously detached character is real easy when you get down to it, going out of the way to make one that is just kind of loathsome with it seems like going an extra mile in the wrong direction. It'd be cooler for the approach to be excited, but also real cautious, like I actually do have supernatural abilities now, how do I keep from accidentally blowing off my own leg or turning some poor, thankful orphan into a giant foot by accident. Go absurd, but relatable.
The irony the writers room probably looks diverse in appearance, but the minds, thoughts, and life experience of the people in those rooms are as homogenous as can be. All of the characters in these kinds of shows, movies, and games sound and act and joke in exactly the same way. Real life isn't like that outside of their isolated bubble.
The main writer (Todd Stashwick) is a TV bit actor who has played in over 130 shows, which may explain some of the oddball dialogue, especially if you watch his recent appearance in The Dungeon Run's "Tiger by the Tail" as Drooth Vandalyx (ruclips.net/video/PVuL4PFfKZM/видео.html). It's curious that before he even appeared on that episode of TDR, he had never even heard of Dungeons and Dragons (before his appearance, he thought it was a video game).
The dialogue for the game is about as corny as his dialogue from Drooth in the show mentioned above, so no surprise there. He sounds like someone who probably would love Strangers of Paradise, but most likely loathes (or has never heard of) Final Fantasy XIV.
Yeah, so, I never felt like the reboot Lara needed anyone to feel sorry for her or want to save her. I felt like she started the first game as a more-or-less normal person tossed into a nightmare situation and we get to go along this journey of awakening with her, where she learns to become the badass action-adventure woman by the end. The first game is actually very similar to Oliver Queen's transformation into the Arrow. I didn't care for the second game, but the third one comes back with an obsessed and overconfident Lara who puts her friends in danger and starts the apocalypse. This original trilogy has all been about her growth as a character, to me, and what the journey was to make her more like the original Lara who is done with causes and just wants to enjoy life again. I have heard the developer interviews, at least some of them, and if they were trying to make Lara feel helpless and damnseled, they failed as far as I'm concerned.
Always great to start the week off with a new video! Hope you have a fantastic day, Melonie. Can't wait for the next Fire Emblem stream. And congrats on 110k. Love to see your channel growing.
@@MelonieMacGoBoom One of my favourite female fantasy characters is Tika from the original DragonLance Chronicles trilogy. She start out, more or less, a regular girl working as a waitress, and develops into a kick ass warrior.
@@zerosyks9255 yeah but during that time the games were good. After square fused with them they soured. Weird. It's almost like Square said they would allow one decent game (Till the end of time) then butcher the rest because final fantasy is their baby. Square has made some decent stuff after the fusion, it's not because they fused with Enix is what I'm getting at lol
Well hopefully it's just a coincidence. Also I think there is a mess of games beside just Final Fantasy "which in my opinion has been on the decline since around ff9" saga frontier use to be good, then they changed it, screwed it all up. Parasite Eve used to be good, then they changed it. Xenogears used to be good, then they changed it. Idk feels like more then a coincidence to me.
I agree, had they stayed squaresoft I think everything would have gone in a better direction. Was what I was saying. Lol Sry if I came off side ways ^^'''
Idk, I think the best writers just aren't put in the limelight. Personally, I don't think the "I can move shit with my freakin' mind" part was that bad, given that there are plenty of characters (especially comic book characters) that basically had the same type of reaction/dialogue when discovering their powers. I don't think it was bad, just average. The mangled monster bit was hot garbage though, I'm not even gonna lie. It was terrible, I completely agree. But the whole "move shit with mind" shitck is something alot of characters have done ALOT in fiction, especially teen superheroes. I don't think it's "good" but then again I'm exactly sure what reaction they expect her to have. Maybe I'm missing something, it's just average to me
Am I the only one who thinks of the dialogue from Disney's Moana? That's what the character from Forspoken reminds me of. That little moment that Moana has before she smacks herself in the head with the oar.
This game sounds like it was written to make that character a modern feminist Snowflake: thinks she doesn't need a man for anything while ignoring the guy stuck in her head. That's a solid *PASS* from me.
I mean, to be fair, Just Cause games were friggin' DOPE. Deus Ex, also dope. Countless hours of my life wasted (I use that term loosely). But...yeah, this dialogue is absolute dog water, wtf. Thanks for posting this, I'm glad I watched your review. I was stoked for this. Not so much anymore. Limiting reviews never spells confidence.
The actress or the model they used as a protagonist was an actress who appeared in a woke feminist movie I think it was Charlie’s angels. Yeah it was a flop.
11:10 It was only a matter of time before they started inserting their woke fantasies directly into the games story. They are using video games as a tool to depict their imagined view of how society works. South Park is a classic example, being black makes it harder and being white is easy mode. This is going to be the new normal, and the goal is to normalize this ideology for young gamers. So when anyone pushes back on their woke cult, they can turn around and say, "but in X game...", just like millennials would say, "but in Harry Potter..." for everything. This is what happens when you replace religion based morality, with fantasy based morality. Fantasy can be changed to suit the woke cult, which is why they are obsessed with saying religions are fantasy. The entire goal is to establish their woke cult as the new morality guide and even a new religion, a single unified religion which worships yourself over G-D. #SatanismInGaming
If that happened no one is buying that game do you hear me right now probably ship and assholes they are going to buy not me I bought the last two I'll go back to play TR UNDERWORLD that's better🤔😎💯
The funny bit is they took a paycheck from Sony to not release on Xbox for a year and now no one on xbox is going to buy it at all. A flop on one platform is way way worst than flip on all platforms.
Totally agree especially most reviewers didn't get review codes & the PC port is like they didn't see the specs like for ultra graphics we need a RTX 4080 WTF & square enix is also confident it's gonna fail that's why they didn't provide so many reviewer's especially for PC review codes so please don't buy it before seeing reviews.
Forspokens PC requirements are so off the chain and ridiculously OD that the fact that it still plays on 720p with 30 frames a second is absolutely garbage. Square Enix gotta put this in a dumpster fire and make this a tax write off.
It’s a perverted demo of Agni’s philosophy. But they wanted to make a Woke game. Why are Japanese tapping into the woke community? What are they trying to accomplish.
"I want an escape......" There's the problem. You want to wind down after a long day, you want to get away from the real world for a while. However, that can not be allowed. You MUST have "The Message" force-fed to you 24/7! No comfort (white or otherwise), no fun, no escapism. It must be a constant barrage, all day every day! It truly saddens me that the company that brought us the Final Fantasy series has fallen into this "bend the knee" garbage. I SO hope that none of these devs worked or are gonna work on FFXVI. That's the only game I'm looking forward to atm.
It's funny, the reason I hate "woke" products often has nothing to do with politics - for example, that clip of Forsaken doesn't have anything political in it. No, the reason I hate woke products is because they are almost always poorly-written, derivative, unrealistic, and lacking any sort of intelligence. The style of writing in that Forsaken clip looks to be near-identical to the writing style found in She-Hulk and the latest Saints Row game. I grew up on black culture, and more specifically black comedies, thanks to my dad. His favorite show when I was a kid was In Living Color, and he would show us all the Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, and Wayans Bros stuff (back when the Wayans were still good.) The reason my dad loved black comedians so much is because they were brutally honest, authentic, and relatable to working class people like himself. Woke comedy is the exact opposite. There's not an ounce of honesty or authenticity anywhere to be found, and it caters solely to people who took social justice courses in college. It talks down to the working class, then tells them they are bad people for not liking it.
Thinking having a black woman as the main character and some tiktok dialogue then calling it a day will make people love this game, Maybe they are American
I'm not a gamer but I do like Melonie Mac's content, great sense of humour with intelligence and decency. First saw this Lady on FNT. Plus the natural beauty is Gorgeous. and Ryan hates how Melonie's frozen camera shot still looks great... Cheer's 🇬🇧
The root of woke politics and virtue signaling is narcissism. When you look at it for what it is it reflects and exposes the narcissism of the person doing it. Games have become one long scolding lecture and targeted guilt trip for the gamers. That's the biggest reason why these games tank. It's not our fault that the out of touch developers just don't get it.
To be honest, I liked the dialogue on the end of the automated voice. It was the dialogue on the end of the girl that I thought was annoying. It's almost like the automated voice was aware of how annoying she was acting.
Why would Borewoken being a flop be bad for Square Enix? It would send all the right signals to them, so that they can learn from this obvious mistake and make better games in the future. If it did not flop, we would just get more of this trash.
I remember this game was getting roasted earlier this year for the same reason. Months later still cringe inducing, still making me swear not to play or watch anyone else play it.
Everytime SE "appeals" to a western audience, the game flops, even when some of those games are good. So, I do agree, they need to stick to what they are good at.
It's funny how the game presents no woke concepts within the narrative (which is what a woke reviewer was complaining about in one of the articles Melanie showed) which disappoints them, then you have non-woke people assuming it's woke and complaining about it's non-existent wokeness. This game is getting hit hard on all fronts.
It's so weird. Japanese companies initially see worldwide success because a large audience of westerners appreciate the Japanese culture, style, and methods of storytelling. Their response? "We must be more like Westerner to appease Westerner!" I just... I don't... We love you guys for being unapologetically Japan, not wannabe American!
This is a false read in a big way. What motivated the making of this game I don't know, but if you look at the actual games Square Enix is releasing you will see they are releasing tons of JRPG's that are very Japanese. This game is not a trend, it is a one off, in gameplay, ip, and well.... everything.
Literally this! 👍
@Karkarov they aren't, tho I get so tired of the square defense force
Most of the jrpgs they have released in the past 5 to 10 years have been multi-platform re-releases or shit like kingdom hearts 4 and ff7r. They have essentially dropped all traditional jrpgs outside of the occasional game like triangle strategy and tactics ogre re-release . They aren't 90s square anymore stop defending their practices. This is the same company with over 7 ff7 spinoffs and nfts planned they're creatively bankrupt
@Karkarov they got lucky a gem like near automata dropped into their laps
I mean, Japanese very often make their products a bit "less Japanese". Not too much, just a bit. Think of the Silent Hill games. You can tell it's got Japan written all over. And yet its a series of games that conform to a lot of typical western common places.
She calls the final boss a "gaslighting sack of shit" during the final battle.
Very gen z
Sounds like a TikTok instead of a video game
Even 7yo can do better insults
Cringe. What pronouns did she use for the boss? 😅
Is gaslighting this year's favorite word? I've never heard it before in my life as much as I did this year.
"All I hear is I, I, I, I" basically represent all virtue signallers
All *I’s* on me
Way to make your main character an insufferable narcissist. Good job SE.
Feels like writers here were trying to mimic Neir with the wise talking book Weiss arguing and conversing with Kaine but failing miserably. Yoko Taro actually knows how to write.
These are lines the player should be saying, not the character.
@@edmontonboy99goooood one 😎
Forspoken is what happens when you let a Californian write an Isekai.
we need to wall that state off and make sure no food gets in
The Californians(SNL)
They took Amy Hennigs concept for this games world and ruined it!
@@enalb5085 I was thinking we could go fracking for oil at the fault line and see if we can speedup its removal from the mainland.
This might as well be Velma the video game, Lol
Not only I'm holding Square Enix accountable for their actions, I'm also blaming the corrupt Ethics Department of Square Enix
Its crazy how the two Western games they did that were actually good they ruined them (Deus Ex and Sleeping Dogs). They got United Front shut down. Also they never did anything significant with the Legacy of Kain series other than a godawful PC only first persona multiplayer shooter (and they canceled a single player game which actually looked promising). So yeah killing those IPs, messing up Tomb Raider, messing up Hitman, and dropping the ball on Marvel's Avengers hard. Only GotG came out good somehow.
And then of course there's their own Japanese made failings: FF XV taking 10 yrs to make and being mid, Left Alive being a poor attempt at Front Mission, Balan Wonderland......nuff said, Chocobo Racing reboot being a GaaS thats being shut down, and lastk....Babylon's Fall....or Babylon's Fail. So yeah this game is just another peg on their checklist of catching L's
Lets hope FF XVI and FF Remake part 2 are decent. jeez..
purge all diversity hires and woke western employees
It also not helping signing a no Xbox clause with Sony when they are not in the position financially to sign exclusive deals and when there other games except final fantasy is failing.
Accountable for making a stupid game.
Ya we all saw that panel at the last E3 & all that signaling - I'm not touching this game. This character looks completely annoying and Matty said the endless dialogue continues constantly throught the entire game.
Japanese companies have the same problem that all companies do: People are in charge who don't understand why customers like their product.
this is why SE should stay in Japan only
@@boboboy8189 or sony buys them
“Ok, that is something I do now”.
This is a unholy synergy of cringe inducing dialog and impossibly smug delivery. I love how bad it is 😂
I can't get over the gap in her teeth. That's so distracting. 😂
@@phoenixxxashez You expect a woman to be pretty? BIGOT! WOMEN ARE NOT YOUR PLAYTHINGS! REEEEE!
Who the hell talks like that....even if someone handed me a script I would be like ok wtf is this I don't tak like this, nobody does let's fix this
I want to watch some walkthroughs just to see the 🔥🔥 takes from the players lol
reminds me of a crappy Disney show
Square Enix will learn a painful lesson, but a valuable one.
Doubt it. They still want to pursue NFT's and microtransactional goods
Don't hire woke californian writers for their game, just stick to their guns.
They rarely learn from their mistakes.
You never go full ME: Andromeda...
@@silverhawkroman Sorry, my face is.... tired.
I spend most of my time these last few years learning as much as I can about politics and media bias, and my only real time to escape from all that nonsense is when I sit down for an hour or three a day and engross myself in a good video game. Now that they are relentlessly shoving thier politics and indoctrination in my face in that realm as well, I am more determined than ever to help take back our cultural spaces from these ideological bullies.
I mean bioware games had political themes in them too
@@dream6562 the difference was that those themes were implemented with the story and characters in mind
Well, supposedly, this game doesn't have that crap, but people aren't buying it. Hogwarts and The Last of Us Part 2 have that crap, but people rushed out to buy those games. People refuse to vote with their wallets and then continue to complain about how the problem hasn't gotten better. You are the problem!
@Jay_Sullivan I voted with my wallet on those two games. I saw the TLOU2 leaks and did not buy the game at all. Hogwash Legacy I am not buying because it's the only thing more gay than the last of us. And I'm using the word gay mid 2000's style.
@@michaelbush1374 , I respect that.
By the way, this is the kind of dialogue you write when you're scared to DEATH of offending someone somewhere. How's that saying go? You don't need free speech to talk about the weather? lol. Just have your character tell the audience what's going on and every single inane thought they come up with in their lobotomized head. There's also the possibility that the writers are amateurs who've been hired for something other than their talent. Gotta hit those quotas, boys and girls.
How so? Whom would she have offended if she reacted more to your liking? You are being absurd. She was geeking out a bit because she just found out that she can perform some type of magic. I truly don't see the issue, and none of you are articulating it. What would the character have said or done if you made the scene?
@@Jay_Sullivan SHOW DON'T TELL. SHOW DON'T TELL. SHOW. DON'T. TELL.
This is writing 101 and what people are complaining about. There's no good way to have your character blabber about how cool they think their new powers are, my friend of questionable taste. lmfao.
@@MundaneThingsBackwards , it's "Writing 101," says the guy who seemingly hasn't read Shakespeare. She wasn't even giving a soliloquy; she was speaking to someone or something that can converse with her. I'm sure you've never said to a friend something such as, 'did you see that shot?! I'm the greatest! Suck it.' Go watch another Critical Drinker video, as you clearly don't understand writing. Actually, you should probably study someone far better than he.
Please, give me the dialogue that you would have written. I'm sure it's sublime.
@@MundaneThingsBackwards
Comes off as a kindergarten cartoon... But I guess that's their focus these days, people with kindergarten 'maturity'....
@@Jay_Sullivan I'm all for trashing this game but the first clip I didn't find particularly bad.
There's other clips which do show worst scenes but it's biggest failures are technical
The look on Melonie’s face while watching the gameplay explains everything. One giant facepalm.
That's what I was looking at too 😂
@@c4caffeen134 I’m always looking at her face mmmmm
Those big almond eyes tell no lies
Sanford and Son was one of the most popular shows across all demographic lines in the 1970s. The TV audience back then did not care at all that all of the characters were black. You couldn't make that show today. They would have to bombard the audience with "messages" and no one would sit through it. Let's go back to the 1970s and start again from there.
"I'm comin', Elizabeth!"
Agreed. As much as this game is flopping, I appreciate Forspoken is following what you just described, as race is inconsequential to the story and evidently is never even brought up.
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The dialogue makes the original Resident Evil look like Shakespeare.
It makes the dialogue in the DMC reboot seem like Shakespeare.
That's funny and f***** up to you know this game is going to flop and speaking of Resident Evil imma go play that part 5 that has a Native American Indian woman don't have terrible dialogue🤔😎
It makes the original House of the Dead dialogue seem like Shakespeare
You can shut it off genius, learn to read
What you talking about? Original resident evil writing was gold 😆
I don’t even know how it’s possible to make dialogue this bad but they really showed us it’s possible. Keep it jrpg!! We love Japanese entertainment!! 🤦🏼♂️
The acting is worse than a safety training video, fr. 😆
@@LVTHORAscending the lead actress is the same girl you all remember from a certain Charlie's Angels that bomb at the box office yeah that is her I don't like the film it was given to me for free so you know this is very bad😎🤦
@@christopherloyd8938 Lol ouch
I love Jrpgs, but square enix dialogue for FF games have been kinda garbo for ahile. FF15 lines for the most part are trash.
@@christopherloyd8938wasn't she in that awful and also canceled resident evil Netflix show? Or was it someone else
I tried the Forspoken demo, and there was too many things going on the screen. Dialogue aside, trying to figure out the menus, the controls, and the largely empty open world was disappointing enough to save me $70.
This game requires 4080 for PC to play on 4k 60 ... It is a poorly optimized game and these scenery do not require that graphic. It will run when optimized properly on 2060 at least. My game prototype with similar graphical level in pre alpha runs at smooth 70 in editor mode and 120 in standalone game mode on UE5 with RTX 2060 Super.
Same. Looks ok from trailer so I tried the demo.
Lasted 20 mins then uninstalled it. Yuk!
I'm so glad demos are still a thing, unfortunately we don't get the luxury of getting them for every AAA title, but at least it's not a dead concept.
Actual game is better than the demp, but it is still kind of meh
had the chance to see it on console it looked very blurry at times like low resolution
The last time Square tried to appeal to a western audience was 2001 and it nearly bankrupted them (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within) forcing them to merge with Enix as a result.
That’s one terrible movie. 😂
i thought it was because they went way over budget for the cgi.........
Merging with Enix ends Squaresoft golden era.
@@caliginousmoira8565 That too, as well as their all-star cast (Ming Na-Wen, Alec Baldwin, Steve Buscemi, James Woods, Peri Gilpin)
to be fair it was sony pictures first cgi movie
I refuse to believe that ForSpoken was done by the Japanese division of Square i mean this game has so many Check boxes It had to be done by the American division
I guess Fingers crossed if FF16 will be any good
Great job has always Melanie much love from the UK
Forespoken is a re-purpose Agni's Philosophy in the name of "equity".
It wasn't. This is from the western division studio within Square and it shows :-)
There hasn't been a good Final Fantasy game since 12
@@Superabound2 i Hate to agree with you on that, FF7 ie good butnits a reamake so it dosent count
@@Superabound2 XV is an incomplete masterpiece still. Way more FF than XIII in terms of world building.
The reveal trailer looked cool. Put it on my wishlist. Played the demo. Removed it from my wishlist.
I need to play the demo if it's still up. Heartbreak is painful. But, it must be done before we can move on.
I was hyped for this game, too. Gameplay should be most important. But still, if you can't bare some aspect of a game, then it can really drag it down. The release state of some games in the last 5 years, for example, I've had to put down until they patched the gameplay. That would be crazy if they tried an experiment and patched the entire writing, story, dialogue and voice acting. LOL
As soon as "fuck" popped its ugly head up, I knew this was going to be cringe. What is up with "writers" these days depending so heavily on cursing every 8 seconds. Even in Ragnarok there was an unnecessary amount of it.
Personally it should be reserved for really big uh oh or revelation type moments.
@J.D. then stick to kids games sorry
@@MrJaces what's fucked is the dialogue of a woke mob lol
All I had to do was look at the "protagonist" lmao....woke flop guaranteed
That 5 second clip just saved me a lot of money, these writers should call Geico.
Thank you, Ms. Melonie! Where are these writers coming from??? Can't go to the movies, can't watch a play, can't see a commercial, and now can't play a game without this "crappy stuff". This stuff has gotten ridiculous and is oozing everywhere in so-called entertainment.
Feels like the same writers that brought us Willow
When I first saw the protagonist I was trying *SO HARD* to not write it off as a “Western-Sensitive” game, but then when she started talking I couldn’t take it anymore. It is so sad cuz the game itself looks *SO* promising in concept, but of course I can just feel the “Americanization” all over it
Literally every character I saw was female...obviously was gonna be woke garbage
Californianization
I think I want us to go back to the era of silent protagonists.
I liked Lightning and Cloud from FF because they didn't talk a lot and sound like attention seeking valley girls, now we got this! 🥴
Compare this to the banter between Master Chief and Cortana when she first was inserted into his suit and therefore head: she made the snarky comment of Master Chief's head having "lots of space", to which he reacted with punching his helmet, "shaking" her up. Soon they found their groove: Master Chief started to appreciate what Cortana added to his capabilities and Cortana appreciated what Master Chief could do and that he was an honourable man. I miss having the competent writers and creators from those days.
My favorite was at the end of Halo CE where they had to go inside the Pillar of Autumn and he crashed the Banchee getting in and Cortana said "You did that on purpose didn't you?" LOL
This is why the Hitman Developers left Square.
I just moved sh*t with my mind said it 14x. Man, Mike Tyson should teach these writers how to write good humor dialogue before kicking ass. He's an expert with that.
There is something called the 'uncanny valley effect' that is generally applied in robotics to the uneasy feeling we get towards the human like appearance we try to recreate with robots, I believe that applies here as well. That's the reason why 3D artists need to make these adjustments.
That is part of it but you can see from the trailer that the face is much closer to the models. The in game one does some weird stuff with her mouth making it look like someone else, at best an ugly cousin. A cynic might wonder why they would make a beautiful woman look so rough.
@@monkian You're not wrong.
From my memory of the still that Mel showed the textures and shaders would play a big role in that, looked a lot like my first year game dev character before I learned how to use normals, spec and gloss maps haha.
The pain.... THE PAIN!!! On a serious note, I saw the writing on the wall with this one a long time ago. Changing from a what looked to be a tech demo to a full fledged game definitely made it look like something was missed in the transition.
I think the good thing about the initial teaser was that she never talked.
This trend in modern western gaming has been highly detrimental. As soon as I saw the launch trailers, I knew exactly what the final product was going to be. Once we see 'DEI' attributes deployed in a game, we know what's going to happen. And as soon as player see DEI in the game, we've been conditioned to simply walk away. A decade ago, nobody cared in the slightest. Now? Its met with a groan.
Yeah, heavily westernized Japanese games (that try to mindlessly copy western and woke trends) are mostly utter garbage.
How are Japanese devs missing the point so badly is beyond me, the main reason Japanese games succeeded outside Japan mainly because they were quite different from Western games, sigh!
This is the R rated version of what my sister would say and act like after watching Hanna Montana and The Suite Life of Zack and Cody. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The protagonist talks like a Disney Channel character
It's kid-com level writing without the sex, drugs, and profanity filter. There's no charm from the actor or actress to leverage here, either. With that comes terribly unsubtle acting and painfully on-the-nose dialogue from characters you have to hope even have a second dimension to them.
She even reminds me of a TV-MA version of Alex Russo from Wizards of Waverly Place (which was on around the same time as those other shows) with her biting, mean-spirited snark. Again, this lady lacks the charm and softer moments presented over there to balance her out and make her more likable.
The intro game dialogue sounded like instructions for what they want you to think. Like listen to dialogue! Assimilate! This is how you feel!
Ya, I'll just wait for Hogwarts Legacy. Thanks for the heads-up Melonie.
Hey Melonie! You look incredible. I know a lot of people have been giving you shade online over your post. They just don't get your sense humor or understand your point about cute tomboy characters looking fit without looking manly. You make great and fun (and funny too) videos. You're pretty darn cool in my book. Looking forward to the next LIVE Stream. Take care and have a wonderful day Melonie.💛💛💛
Wow, king simp has shown himself
@@cyrusthegreat3299 it's probably her stalker
@@megakazuya123 I think so. This super nice guys are creepy AF.
@@cyrusthegreat3299every damn video…
@@Skegfromcraigslist seriously?
Your reaction to hearing the dialogue is so great. Amazing video, hope you've been having a great day! 😆
what needles my ample, Cherubic pink buttocks about this whole thing is that writing a humorously detached character is real easy when you get down to it, going out of the way to make one that is just kind of loathsome with it seems like going an extra mile in the wrong direction. It'd be cooler for the approach to be excited, but also real cautious, like I actually do have supernatural abilities now, how do I keep from accidentally blowing off my own leg or turning some poor, thankful orphan into a giant foot by accident. Go absurd, but relatable.
The irony the writers room probably looks diverse in appearance, but the minds, thoughts, and life experience of the people in those rooms are as homogenous as can be. All of the characters in these kinds of shows, movies, and games sound and act and joke in exactly the same way. Real life isn't like that outside of their isolated bubble.
The main writer (Todd Stashwick) is a TV bit actor who has played in over 130 shows, which may explain some of the oddball dialogue, especially if you watch his recent appearance in The Dungeon Run's "Tiger by the Tail" as Drooth Vandalyx (ruclips.net/video/PVuL4PFfKZM/видео.html).
It's curious that before he even appeared on that episode of TDR, he had never even heard of Dungeons and Dragons (before his appearance, he thought it was a video game).
How can you be alive and say you've never heard of D&D? That's like saying you've never heard of football lol
The dialogue for the game is about as corny as his dialogue from Drooth in the show mentioned above, so no surprise there. He sounds like someone who probably would love Strangers of Paradise, but most likely loathes (or has never heard of) Final Fantasy XIV.
I'm just playing Nier Replicant, and to imagine the kid bickering at this level with Weiss would piss me off
I’m black I just want to play games. I don’t care about color just great games.
Yeah, so, I never felt like the reboot Lara needed anyone to feel sorry for her or want to save her. I felt like she started the first game as a more-or-less normal person tossed into a nightmare situation and we get to go along this journey of awakening with her, where she learns to become the badass action-adventure woman by the end. The first game is actually very similar to Oliver Queen's transformation into the Arrow. I didn't care for the second game, but the third one comes back with an obsessed and overconfident Lara who puts her friends in danger and starts the apocalypse. This original trilogy has all been about her growth as a character, to me, and what the journey was to make her more like the original Lara who is done with causes and just wants to enjoy life again.
I have heard the developer interviews, at least some of them, and if they were trying to make Lara feel helpless and damnseled, they failed as far as I'm concerned.
This game needed at least another five years and an extra two for optimization
This game needed an abortion. And I'm pro life, so that means a lot coming from me.
As to quote Harrison Ford: “You can type this shit but you sure as hell can’t say it.”
Always great to start the week off with a new video! Hope you have a fantastic day, Melonie. Can't wait for the next Fire Emblem stream.
And congrats on 110k. Love to see your channel growing.
Yesss I'm so stoked! :D
@@MelonieMacGoBoom One of my favourite female fantasy characters is Tika from the original DragonLance Chronicles trilogy. She start out, more or less, a regular girl working as a waitress, and develops into a kick ass warrior.
@@MelonieMacGoBoom i was playing some while waiting for the stream. I'm so far behind you lol
@@MelonieMacGoBoom The took Amy Hennigs concept for this games world a destroyed it.
Squaresoft. We miss you. The Enix part phucked it all up for us 90s early 2000s gamers.
Enix was good though...at least through Star Ocean
Yaa, Enix just published it. Mean while TRI Ace actually developed it. Star Ocean that is, If we're talking originally.
@@zerosyks9255 yeah but during that time the games were good. After square fused with them they soured. Weird.
It's almost like Square said they would allow one decent game (Till the end of time) then butcher the rest because final fantasy is their baby.
Square has made some decent stuff after the fusion, it's not because they fused with Enix is what I'm getting at lol
Well hopefully it's just a coincidence. Also I think there is a mess of games beside just Final Fantasy "which in my opinion has been on the decline since around ff9" saga frontier use to be good, then they changed it, screwed it all up. Parasite Eve used to be good, then they changed it. Xenogears used to be good, then they changed it. Idk feels like more then a coincidence to me.
I agree, had they stayed squaresoft I think everything would have gone in a better direction. Was what I was saying. Lol
Sry if I came off side ways ^^'''
“Bring it you mangled monsters!”
That was so CRINGE. Why can’t people write good dialogue anymore!?
Idk, I think the best writers just aren't put in the limelight. Personally, I don't think the "I can move shit with my freakin' mind" part was that bad, given that there are plenty of characters (especially comic book characters) that basically had the same type of reaction/dialogue when discovering their powers. I don't think it was bad, just average. The mangled monster bit was hot garbage though, I'm not even gonna lie. It was terrible, I completely agree. But the whole "move shit with mind" shitck is something alot of characters have done ALOT in fiction, especially teen superheroes. I don't think it's "good" but then again I'm exactly sure what reaction they expect her to have. Maybe I'm missing something, it's just average to me
Bad dialogue writing is like the mumble rap of video games these days. Same with movies.
Whoever wrote that doesn't know the meaning of the word "mangled".
Am I the only one who thinks of the dialogue from Disney's Moana? That's what the character from Forspoken reminds me of. That little moment that Moana has before she smacks herself in the head with the oar.
The looks of the main character already say "the game is going to be terrible".
Looks like she was designed with an Anita Sarkeesian type of consultant.
This game sounds like it was written to make that character a modern feminist Snowflake: thinks she doesn't need a man for anything while ignoring the guy stuck in her head. That's a solid *PASS* from me.
I mean, to be fair, Just Cause games were friggin' DOPE. Deus Ex, also dope. Countless hours of my life wasted (I use that term loosely).
But...yeah, this dialogue is absolute dog water, wtf. Thanks for posting this, I'm glad I watched your review. I was stoked for this. Not so much anymore. Limiting reviews never spells confidence.
Just Cause 4 wasn't the best. It's a lot better now. But it's still like a 7 out of 10 after all its patches.
Woohoo lets make a game with a MC who just tells everyone to f off and hates pretty much everything
Reminds me of Jill Valentine in RE3 remake. Potty mouth that hates everyone. It's why I call her Karen Valentine
This game is a re-purpose Agni's Philosophy in the name of "equity". ESG Squenix in a nutshell.
This is why I root for silent protagonists.
Sometimes I want them to talk, but the grunts is most of the time enough...
Dark Souls and Elden Ring!
The actress or the model they used as a protagonist was an actress who appeared in a woke feminist movie I think it was Charlie’s angels. Yeah it was a flop.
It was initially a tech Demo called Agni's Philosophy but was re-purpose to appease the ESG score.
@@NormanReaddis oh yes I remember that. Why didn’t they stay faithful to that demo Agni’s philosophy?
@@timmytimmymit5607
ESG score
This dialogue sounds as if the CW decided to make a game.
My hopes right now are on Stellar Blade. Thank GOD it's not being made by a western studio.
I didnt realize how pretty the model was, i thought she was a generated character, not based off of someone...they didnt do her justice...
Ella Balinska she was in the 2019 Charlie's Angels film and Netflix's Resident Evil series
@@kennethstephens1110 Not really the best career choices 😂
11:10 It was only a matter of time before they started inserting their woke fantasies directly into the games story. They are using video games as a tool to depict their imagined view of how society works. South Park is a classic example, being black makes it harder and being white is easy mode. This is going to be the new normal, and the goal is to normalize this ideology for young gamers. So when anyone pushes back on their woke cult, they can turn around and say, "but in X game...", just like millennials would say, "but in Harry Potter..." for everything. This is what happens when you replace religion based morality, with fantasy based morality. Fantasy can be changed to suit the woke cult, which is why they are obsessed with saying religions are fantasy. The entire goal is to establish their woke cult as the new morality guide and even a new religion, a single unified religion which worships yourself over G-D. #SatanismInGaming
She looks like an FF15 NPC. Love those melted crayon faces.
Ironically it's the same development team that made FF15
Forspoken is a great example of why Silent Protagonists in JRPG's are awesome.
They used "gnarly" unironically. No more comments about my regular, unironic use of "cool" and "groovy."
Now get off my lawn. 🤣
O.o that dialogue is straight out of She-Hulk. welp another game for me to skip.
Well apart from the dialogue, the game is fun, it’s Infamous meets elden ring. The world is filled with a lot of bosses to fight. Enjoying it
He literally wants the character to be less relatable for most of the audience.
Just when you thought dialog couldn't be worse than the show Velma they totally redeem themselves
I fear hearing such dialogue in the next Tomb Raider game😬
If that happened no one is buying that game do you hear me right now probably ship and assholes they are going to buy not me I bought the last two I'll go back to play TR UNDERWORLD that's better🤔😎💯
But...but....Frey is SO STRONG! SO BRAVE! SO BOLD! SO FIERCE!
The dialogue error in this game is cultural in this modern era.
It's an honor to be called racist nowadays.
The funny bit is they took a paycheck from Sony to not release on Xbox for a year and now no one on xbox is going to buy it at all. A flop on one platform is way way worst than flip on all platforms.
Makes me appreciate the stoic, silent protagonists of old. 🥰
Totally agree especially most reviewers didn't get review codes & the PC port is like they didn't see the specs like for ultra graphics we need a RTX 4080 WTF & square enix is also confident it's gonna fail that's why they didn't provide so many reviewer's especially for PC review codes so please don't buy it before seeing reviews.
I'm glad that so far they are keeping FF16 away from the woke mob. I still have hope.
That's some top tier marvel comedy right there, recently even the shazam 2 trailer had a similar dialogue.
Dude... They made kingdom hearts. Fucking kingdom hearts. What happened in the writing department
Wokeness
I feel bad for Ella, she’s been getting bad scripts, RE Netflix series and now this. 😢
Forspokens PC requirements are so off the chain and ridiculously OD that the fact that it still plays on 720p with 30 frames a second is absolutely garbage.
Square Enix gotta put this in a dumpster fire and make this a tax write off.
I always had the impression that Forspoken was never supposed to be a game, just a visual representation of what unreal 5 could do.
It’s a perverted demo of Agni’s philosophy. But they wanted to make a Woke game. Why are Japanese tapping into the woke community? What are they trying to accomplish.
@@timmytimmymit5607 Money
"I want an escape......" There's the problem. You want to wind down after a long day, you want to get away from the real world for a while. However, that can not be allowed. You MUST have "The Message" force-fed to you 24/7! No comfort (white or otherwise), no fun, no escapism. It must be a constant barrage, all day every day! It truly saddens me that the company that brought us the Final Fantasy series has fallen into this "bend the knee" garbage. I SO hope that none of these devs worked or are gonna work on FFXVI. That's the only game I'm looking forward to atm.
I hope it's woke so we all can call it Forwoken.
It is woke Forwoken 😂😂🤣
They will somehow turn this into "Gamers hate it just because she is black!"
Oh, they’ve given up on the western audience specially when they sold Crystal dynamics, and the other studios
And they'll probably sell Luminous Productions too if this game flops
“I just move shit with my mind” give me 70 bucks
That's what happens when greedy companies take that ESG money.
Yeah turning a promising tech demo called Agni's Philosophy becomes a CRT FF called Forespoken.
It's funny, the reason I hate "woke" products often has nothing to do with politics - for example, that clip of Forsaken doesn't have anything political in it. No, the reason I hate woke products is because they are almost always poorly-written, derivative, unrealistic, and lacking any sort of intelligence. The style of writing in that Forsaken clip looks to be near-identical to the writing style found in She-Hulk and the latest Saints Row game.
I grew up on black culture, and more specifically black comedies, thanks to my dad. His favorite show when I was a kid was In Living Color, and he would show us all the Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, and Wayans Bros stuff (back when the Wayans were still good.) The reason my dad loved black comedians so much is because they were brutally honest, authentic, and relatable to working class people like himself.
Woke comedy is the exact opposite. There's not an ounce of honesty or authenticity anywhere to be found, and it caters solely to people who took social justice courses in college. It talks down to the working class, then tells them they are bad people for not liking it.
Square in 1997: Barret.
Square in 2023: Fray.
the desire to watch anime in the jungle with a sleeping lion is just a weeb away a weeb away a weeb away.
Just want to point out quickly how much I'm enjoying all of these daily uploads. Its almost become part of my routine now 😂
Leaks, horrible demo, cringey dialogue and one of the most baffling cameras made this a flop in advance. Reviews were the cherry on top.
Maybe they knew the dialogue was bad, so they didn't show it. First time I've seen dialogue from this game.
I never thought God of War Ragnarok would have a competitor for having "most annoying characters" this quick, but here we are about 3 months later.
"Americans are weebs." Awesome quote. Lol!
Thinking having a black woman as the main character and some tiktok dialogue then calling it a day will make people love this game,
Maybe they are American
I'm not a gamer but I do like Melonie Mac's content, great sense of humour with intelligence and decency. First saw this Lady on FNT. Plus the natural beauty is Gorgeous. and Ryan hates how Melonie's frozen camera shot still looks great... Cheer's 🇬🇧
The root of woke politics and virtue signaling is narcissism. When you look at it for what it is it reflects and exposes the narcissism of the person doing it. Games have become one long scolding lecture and targeted guilt trip for the gamers. That's the biggest reason why these games tank. It's not our fault that the out of touch developers just don't get it.
To be honest, I liked the dialogue on the end of the automated voice. It was the dialogue on the end of the girl that I thought was annoying. It's almost like the automated voice was aware of how annoying she was acting.
She is pretty mean to the braclet she wears. He is getting Bearated by her often. Like it's pretty mean spirited. Am I supposed to like her!? Haha!
Why would Borewoken being a flop be bad for Square Enix?
It would send all the right signals to them, so that they can learn from this obvious mistake and make better games in the future.
If it did not flop, we would just get more of this trash.
I remember this game was getting roasted earlier this year for the same reason. Months later still cringe inducing, still making me swear not to play or watch anyone else play it.
Everytime SE "appeals" to a western audience, the game flops, even when some of those games are good. So, I do agree, they need to stick to what they are good at.
What’s crazy to me is the talent behind this and it’s this
It's funny how the game presents no woke concepts within the narrative (which is what a woke reviewer was complaining about in one of the articles Melanie showed) which disappoints them, then you have non-woke people assuming it's woke and complaining about it's non-existent wokeness. This game is getting hit hard on all fronts.