I prefer to say that they use it because they want to remain simple and ignorant rather than make their mind hurt from excessive knowledge. Learning that 2+2=4 proved to much for ken in this case :p
Sure you haven't just seen a brain in a jar? Because that brain is without mind as it has no biological machinery to keep it alive to actually think :p
Paul Cotton If its full of shit then you can't take the piss out of him! As even an atheist must know the scientific fact, that you cannot take the piss out of shit. End of world view science lesson for the day.
+Kevin Craighead -- Exactly, It's all SUBJECTIVE... Not Objective. (Logic, reasoning, naming, language, classifications, etc...) It think this is the biggest problem with the religious mind. They think they live in a FULLY objective world. (Defined by their God.) To blow their mind you introduce "Etymology". If you watch the beginning. Matt actually says in Spanish it would be "Dos". Matt was going to touch on the subject but he got interrupted.
"God exists, but I can't measure him or demonstrate him; you just have to believe he's there" = Wackadoodle 101 First cause? Well then what caused the first cause? = Wackadoodle 102 Ken is about to earn his degree! I'm so happy for him.
"There just HAS to be..." a disembodied mind with an endemic nature, or an unjustified 'first cause'...and he laughs nervously when not accepted blindly. Ignorance cubed.
That was Matt's greatest line I loved it > "Here's is a jar full of nothing and this is a jar full of absolutely nothing and youre done." That was a good laugh!
The trouble is people like Ken don't really think about what they believe and why they believe it until TAE points out that it's logically flawed. I hope he comes to his senses.
Except in this case I don't even think Ken believed what he was saying. It's pretty clear the thing he believed is "there is a god, and it's the one I've chosen," and he was just bolting on any slick sounding arguments he could find to make that assertion seem viable. He doesn't care one whit about first causes and prime movers and what have you, or he would have actually done some goddamn research before calling in, instead of falling back on "that's just the way it is!" whenever he was questioned. Frankly, if the atheist experience didn't exist, if nobody was around to question his god at all, I don't think Ken would have ventured into this kind of argument at all.
By 6:55 or so, even Tracie is holding her chin in her hand, with eyes glazing over, as this foolish caller struggles to make a coherent statement. Matt has been bored from the start.
dogless10 so many calls come from people like this. they are so horribly schooled and developed they can barely talk. just shows why a real education is important. not just for knowledge but the ability to really think critically.
zool201975 Well said. Religion was created and propagated by people like this. I guess we free thinkers should consider ourselves "blessed" that we know where to find these people on any given Sunday.
+zool201975 and the ironic thing is even some of those you may consider intelligent and critical thinkers can still fall for ridiculous claims. i was reading an article a few years back how some doctors and lawyers and such others we deem intelligent were falling into those Nigerian e-mail scams. now around 30 years back i had taken an i.q. test where i was scored at 110 which is around avg or slightly higher but i don't consider myself being highly intelligent,i still could see thru a scam of someone telling me if i gave them a small amount of money i could get money left to me by some rich Nigerian guy who recently died.
hellshade2 Ben carson is a fine example of that aswell. He might be a neuro surgeon but fuck in anything else he is almost a blistering idiot in perpetual ignorance. In some cases it makes me wonder if in such fields critical thinking is always a necessity.
" if someone is going to tell me that god exist, in objective reality, outside of their head, then they need to be able to demonstrate that, or else they are castrating the word exist" hahaha, damn Tracie, that was perfect!
I find it hilarious how Theists can't wrap their brains around theories that don't include "god" as part or it's mechanism. To them, it's always implied that; This is how it works, because god.
Back in the day my buddies and I used to sit around talking about shit like this. Can't even begin to count how many times we blew each other's mind over the simplest concepts. We'd sit there for hours sounding like a bunch of Kens. But then, the buzz would start to wear off and we'd realize just how fucking stoned we all were.
The last example is fucking hilarious. Thanks for uploading this video and laying bare, for all to hear, how ignorant these people really are and try to be. I’ve learned a lot from and about the religious, over the years. This is thanks to people like you.
I don't normally laugh at stuff like this, but at 9:00 I really lost all control and laughed so hard. "This is a jar or nothing and *this* is a jar of *absolute* nothing!".
I like the 2+2 idea. Tracie handles it correctly as a 'model'. Math is essentially abstract. Look up Godel and also Georg Cantor who created set theory.
or do you walk around in life thinking that you don't know what is and isn't real???....🔥🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏👏 Can you tell if there is a chair in a room????? what is a disembodied mind??? Have you ever seen a mind without a brain???? Tracie can be a ghostwriter!!!
Having once been a christian, i feel like people call in "knowing" they are right, and just hope to stumble on to you saying "damn you got me there, must be god" which DOES happen when you talk with other christians. The mental cop out occurs very quickly.
these two should host a national atheist show on a major tv network. I'm sure the networks would never go for it but if they did it would be a top show as they are perfect together
2+2=4 isnt just the way it is. It is a symbol that we as humans agreed to to give a value, just like red is the name or label that we gave to a certain hue. It can change as the language changes or if everyone agrees to change the label.
"you'll believe that someone walked across water, turned water into wine and that someone spent 3 days in the stomach of a giant fish....but evolution just blows your mind".....great quote.
Ken, if you're reading this, maybe a good place to start is to have a good long hard think about your position, write it down, and then call in and bounce your thoughts off the hosts.
Wow...It's amazing the mental and semantics gymnastics some people would go through to define their claims into existence. As grating as that caller might be, I must admit, it is quite entertaining!
I actually use month/day/year when dating things for myself. It was just the way my teachers had me do it in school and it was a habit that stuck. But I get your point. When in doubt, use abbreviations (Nov.) for the month and all four digits for the year (2012).
@Chaaarge Let me try this analogy; you walk into large warehouse, the lights are on and the temperature is just right. On the shelves are many different items clock, microwave, computer etc. On the floor are cars of all types: sport, SUV, 4 door etc. In the air there are small model airplanes and helicopters flying. At what point do you say "I wonder if an Intelligent Designer is at work?" Why do we assume that small and large complex biological living systems are exempt from Intelligent Design?
He hasn't even been talking for 10 seconds yet and I already can't stop laughing.. "I really disagree... with just about everything..." ROFL WOW this is gonna be good.. XD
@Chaaarge A recent 15 year science project was completed by J. Craig Venter Institute; they were able to back-engineer a simple bacteria. It took 17 scientists (one former Nobel Prize winner) and supercomputer to assemble the DNA structure. They couldn't get it to spontaneously come alive (abiogenesis), but were able to use a host cell. This is the ONLY science project so far, that engineered a simple life form and was also able to reproduce. Wouldn't we call this an Intelligent Design project?
Very amusing caller exchange .. I admire your patience, Tracie & Matt. Your logical victory may have been aided by what I suspect was the inebriated state of your theist opponent, as evidenced by the slurred speech & lack of mental acuity. As if his muddled thought processes & delusions of the supernatural weren't enough of a handicap, he may have also partaken of an excessive quantity of C2H5OH before calling in .. very entertaining, in any case. ;)
Would Ken accept it if we said what he does? “How do you know God does not exist?” “Well, the same way we can know 2+2=4, that’s just how it is, God just doesn’t exist, guys...”
Ken is following the Platonic ideals, which was stolen by early christians. Plato claimed that ideal forms like circles existed in the heavens, but he made that idea up without observation or testing. Plato was smart but he and Aristotle were pre-scientific thinkers and thus got some things wrong. The christians never changed their Platonic model when it was dismissed by modern thinkers.
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Believers use "logically" as a substitute for "mentally simple and comfortable."
+Tighe Crovetti
True that!
I prefer to say that they use it because they want to remain simple and ignorant rather than make their mind hurt from excessive knowledge. Learning that 2+2=4 proved to much for ken in this case :p
"Are you able to tell if something exists or if it doesn't?" Sadly, for most people, I think the answer is no.
Q: When is a door not a door?
A: When it's ajar!
+Slinky Malinki and???
Q: When is a car not a car?
A: When it turns into a driveway!
its still a door, an action doesnt change the object itself o.O
Did you hear about the magician walking down the street that turned into a doorway?
@Xarai... yer a buzzkill....
Ken is definitely one of Gods "special" children.
VERY special ! ....................
I've seen a Brain without a mind.
Sure you haven't just seen a brain in a jar? Because that brain is without mind as it has no biological machinery to keep it alive to actually think :p
Brain in a Jar. Now on sale at Tesco find them next to the Pickled gherkins and onions.
ON A LOOONG TRIP ..................
Ken's head is full of absolutely nothing.
Atheist Extremist If not full at all
Paul Cotton If its full of shit then you can't take the piss out of him! As even an atheist must know the scientific fact, that you cannot take the piss out of shit. End of world view science lesson for the day.
I dare say there is a fair bit of dry weed in there.
6chhelipilot I agree!
6chhelipilot . Wrong! His head is full of shit!
Ken just got done watching a William Lane Craig debate lol
The Depak is strong in this one.
+Larry Dunn LOL!
+Larry Dunn Deepak = dumbshit
Cosmic soup !
Two plus two could equal eight, if eight was the word we used to mean four.
***** Makes sense to me...I think.
+Kevin Craighead --
Exactly, It's all SUBJECTIVE... Not Objective.
(Logic, reasoning, naming, language, classifications, etc...)
It think this is the biggest problem with the religious mind.
They think they live in a FULLY objective world.
(Defined by their God.)
To blow their mind you introduce "Etymology".
If you watch the beginning. Matt actually says in Spanish it would be "Dos".
Matt was going to touch on the subject but he got interrupted.
Or just we would use a differently defined linear space (mathematical) as a 'standard' space were 2+2=8.
Kevin Craighead, that’s fantastic. Perfectly said too
Tracie is so fucking awesome.
Pure comedy. Love it. The caller was so out gunned intellectually. I'm continually amazed by how little people have thought stuff through.
"God exists, but I can't measure him or demonstrate him; you just have to believe he's there" = Wackadoodle 101
First cause? Well then what caused the first cause? = Wackadoodle 102
Ken is about to earn his degree! I'm so happy for him.
The cause of the First Cause existed "outside of time" therefore it was after the First Cause. Sort of like Star Wars prequels.
"There just HAS to be..." a disembodied mind with an endemic nature, or an unjustified 'first cause'...and he laughs nervously when not accepted blindly.
Ignorance cubed.
That was Matt's greatest line I loved it > "Here's is a jar full of nothing and this is a jar full of absolutely nothing and youre done." That was a good laugh!
They need to have Ken on at least once a month. Listening to him fumble around gives me endless entertainment.
Tracie: "Why does there have to be a First Cause?"
Ken: "Because I made up that rule and the universe must obey the rules I make up." ;)
Ken can't logic
Ron G . Ken can’t!
The trouble is people like Ken don't really think about what they believe and why they believe it until TAE points out that it's logically flawed.
I hope he comes to his senses.
Except in this case I don't even think Ken believed what he was saying. It's pretty clear the thing he believed is "there is a god, and it's the one I've chosen," and he was just bolting on any slick sounding arguments he could find to make that assertion seem viable. He doesn't care one whit about first causes and prime movers and what have you, or he would have actually done some goddamn research before calling in, instead of falling back on "that's just the way it is!" whenever he was questioned.
Frankly, if the atheist experience didn't exist, if nobody was around to question his god at all, I don't think Ken would have ventured into this kind of argument at all.
Drugs are bad, m'kay.
By 6:55 or so, even Tracie is holding her chin in her hand, with eyes glazing over, as this foolish caller struggles to make a coherent statement. Matt has been bored from the start.
dogless10 so many calls come from people like this. they are so horribly schooled and developed they can barely talk. just shows why a real education is important. not just for knowledge but the ability to really think critically.
zool201975 Well said. Religion was created and propagated by people like this. I guess we free thinkers should consider ourselves "blessed" that we know where to find these people on any given Sunday.
They seem far too nice
+zool201975 and the ironic thing is even some of those you may consider intelligent and critical thinkers can still fall for ridiculous claims. i was reading an article a few years back how some doctors and lawyers and such others we deem intelligent were falling into those Nigerian e-mail scams. now around 30 years back i had taken an i.q. test where i was scored at 110 which is around avg or slightly higher but i don't consider myself being highly intelligent,i still could see thru a scam of someone telling me if i gave them a small amount of money i could get money left to me by some rich Nigerian guy who recently died.
hellshade2
Ben carson is a fine example of that aswell.
He might be a neuro surgeon but fuck in anything else he is almost a blistering idiot in perpetual ignorance.
In some cases it makes me wonder if in such fields critical thinking is always a necessity.
I expected an intelligent caller when I read the title and this nitwit is what I get? This Ken guy does not understand what Tracy was trying to say.
" if someone is going to tell me that god exist, in objective reality, outside of their head, then they need to be able to demonstrate that, or else they are castrating the word exist" hahaha, damn Tracie, that was perfect!
The opening sequence is just.....the most "logical bit of awesomeness" I've ever heard, and I want it to be my goddamn ringtone Matt!
the editing at the end is awesome haha "you're done" - static shot and zoom - music plays
good job
Yes Ken they do understand what logic is, it"s a shame you don't.
I find it hilarious how Theists can't wrap their brains around theories that don't include "god" as part or it's mechanism.
To them, it's always implied that; This is how it works, because god.
Back in the day my buddies and I used to sit around talking about shit like this. Can't even begin to count how many times we blew each other's mind over the simplest concepts. We'd sit there for hours sounding like a bunch of Kens. But then, the buzz would start to wear off and we'd realize just how fucking stoned we all were.
Ken knew in the first minute that he was utterly unprepared to be a part of this discussion.
The last example is fucking hilarious. Thanks for uploading this video and laying bare, for all to hear, how ignorant these people really are and try to be. I’ve learned a lot from and about the religious, over the years. This is thanks to people like you.
I don't normally laugh at stuff like this, but at 9:00 I really lost all control and laughed so hard. "This is a jar or nothing and *this* is a jar of *absolute* nothing!".
The argument from first cause never stops. This was 14 years ago now and the argument is still being used today.
That was one awesome intro!
And now that i've watched it... Very awesome outro too!
jesus must have been Canadian,sure he walked on water,it was winter and the lake was frozen lol
I love his “oh great” periodically lol it makes him kind of endearing. He seems like a good guy that’s just lost.
4:09 “How do you define existence?”
“How do I define god?”
How is it even possible to listen so poorly?
"Well it's very simple"
It was not very simple
2+2=4 - THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
AntareFY Ken believes that he really can see five.
You win my internet at least.
I like the 2+2 idea. Tracie handles it correctly as a 'model'. Math is essentially abstract. Look up Godel and also Georg Cantor who created set theory.
or do you walk around in life thinking that you don't know what is and isn't real???....🔥🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏👏
Can you tell if there is a chair in a room?????
what is a disembodied mind???
Have you ever seen a mind without a brain????
Tracie can be a ghostwriter!!!
FINALLY A NEW SONG!!
Oh this is from the “drunk theist caller” era
That was a mental ass-whooping.
Bless his uneducated little heart.....
Poor, poor Ken.
"Do you believe in the existence of numbers?"
Sigh....
numbers are actually best thought of as adjectives we use to quantitatively explore our universe ^^
The jar is NOT a dog? You lost me there.
Having once been a christian, i feel like people call in "knowing" they are right, and just hope to stumble on to you saying "damn you got me there, must be god" which DOES happen when you talk with other christians. The mental cop out occurs very quickly.
His 'argument' reeks of desperation
"Well that's very simple ....... uh ....... well you take something ... ok, ok, ..... uh ...... well let me just ...... further.... uh explain"
these two should host a national atheist show on a major tv network. I'm sure the networks would never go for it but if they did it would be a top show as they are perfect together
As soon as he said the words "First Cause" I knew it was the same Ken.
2+2=4 isnt just the way it is. It is a symbol that we as humans agreed to to give a value, just like red is the name or label that we gave to a certain hue. It can change as the language changes or if everyone agrees to change the label.
Haha, I bet he was trying to go for the TAG :D Oh man, I'd love to see him try explain anything in that debate!
This man needs to lay off the hallucinogens.
Bad acid in Santa Barbara apparently.
This guy has called so many times I can remember his voice which sounds like he is stoned.
Some people define god into existence but this guy DESCRIBES him into existence.
Technically, yes.
Some people only went to Sunday school, not a regular school.
"you'll believe that someone walked across water, turned water into wine and that someone spent 3 days in the stomach of a giant fish....but evolution just blows your mind".....great quote.
Dude sounds like Ceasar (mount sanai guy)
6:46 Matt - "You have one minute, cos we're running out of time and I've got other callers..."
Ken - "Uh...oh...great..." Class...LOL
Humans made mathematics to describe our reality and they work.
When is a door not a door?
When the door is a-jar.....hehehhee
Ken, if you're reading this, maybe a good place to start is to have a good long hard think about your position, write it down, and then call in and bounce your thoughts off the hosts.
What was the jazzy song playing at the beginning?
stevie wonder, superstition
very superstitious - Stevie Wonder
any chance we can get Ken his own show?
Wow...It's amazing the mental and semantics gymnastics some people would go through to define their claims into existence.
As grating as that caller might be, I must admit, it is quite entertaining!
I actually use month/day/year when dating things for myself. It was just the way my teachers had me do it in school and it was a habit that stuck. But I get your point. When in doubt, use abbreviations (Nov.) for the month and all four digits for the year (2012).
Ken goes cross-eyed when he looks at Magritte's painting of a pipe that says : "This is not a pipe"...
Teach Arts in Schools!
Tracie - "How do you define existence?" _______ Ken - "How do I define god?"
Ken's speed limit is 20 .... Life is more than a challenge for Ken.
@MrJohnnyrace ...and where could I get some? Seems pretty mind bending.
@Chaaarge Let me try this analogy; you walk into large warehouse, the lights are on and the temperature is just right. On the shelves are many different items clock, microwave, computer etc. On the floor are cars of all types: sport, SUV, 4 door etc. In the air there are small model airplanes and helicopters flying. At what point do you say "I wonder if an Intelligent Designer is at work?" Why do we assume that small and large complex biological living systems are exempt from Intelligent Design?
Yeah, Tracie. I'd love to have a long conversation with her.
I am sure you dream of giving her a real mouthful?
+Sean Coffman Not neccesarily. I've spoken to many extremely intelligent women who are about as alluring as a school bus fire.
It sounded like Tracy was asserting that a mind could only exist if a brain existed. I may have misunderstood her, but that is how it sounded
4everalive1 have you seen a mind without a brain?
I saw this cartoon. Some large robot had a brain in a glass bowl where his belly is!!! I call him Ken.
where is the video that used the dice?
Is this Caesar?
He hasn't even been talking for 10 seconds yet and I already can't stop laughing..
"I really disagree... with just about everything..."
ROFL WOW this is gonna be good.. XD
Basically Ken is saying 2+2=4, therefore god.
When is a door not a door?
When it is ajar.
Well, its very simple..i just have a f*cked up mind😂😂😂😂😂
I love this guy.
Wow Tracie looks so much like Carl Sagan.
That was painful...that caller was so dishonest, even for TAE.
Ken has been smoking a humongous joint... he slurs beyond comprehension.
I was literally just thinking this.
I was thinking booze, but grass works too.
Weed doesn’t make one slur.
...and you're done.
/(two handed facepalm while leaning on elbows and shaking head)
@Chaaarge A recent 15 year science project was completed by J. Craig Venter Institute; they were able to back-engineer a simple bacteria. It took 17 scientists (one former Nobel Prize winner) and supercomputer to assemble the DNA structure. They couldn't get it to spontaneously come alive (abiogenesis), but were able to use a host cell. This is the ONLY science project so far, that engineered a simple life form and was also able to reproduce. Wouldn't we call this an Intelligent Design project?
Slowly getting closer to them realizing that gods just in the mind.
I'm new to this channel. Can anyone recommend a video with an intelligent and informed challenge?
This is probably a very good example of the type of mind you need to believe stuff without evidence.
I don't think Ken knows what Logical Absolutes are lol he's just using the phrase because it sounds smart or something.
"It's very simple. Uuuuuhm" *silence*
.... *random long words*
Very amusing caller exchange .. I admire your patience, Tracie & Matt. Your logical victory may have been aided by what I suspect was the inebriated state of your theist opponent, as evidenced by the slurred speech & lack of mental acuity. As if his muddled thought processes & delusions of the supernatural weren't enough of a handicap, he may have also partaken of an excessive quantity of C2H5OH before calling in .. very entertaining, in any case. ;)
Would Ken accept it if we said what he does? “How do you know God does not exist?” “Well, the same way we can know 2+2=4, that’s just how it is, God just doesn’t exist, guys...”
Disembodied mind? What is that? Immaterial? What is that? Hahaha!
that poor guy got in way over his head, lol
Ken has a disembodied mind!
LOL.
Stevie Wonder and Matt Dillahunty. My mind just imploded.
Dude's STONED
Ken is following the Platonic ideals, which was stolen by early christians. Plato claimed that ideal forms like circles existed in the heavens, but he made that idea up without observation or testing. Plato was smart but he and Aristotle were pre-scientific thinkers and thus got some things wrong. The christians never changed their Platonic model when it was dismissed by modern thinkers.