Good luck for all humans on earth. All humans irrespective of their religion have the right to go or live in any part of world after required documentation. All humans have been created by God. God provides every thing to all the humans, not a particular religion, race. God does,t differentiate between his own created people.
Do the Palestinian Arabs ever call themselves Jews or do they link themselves with Arabia and other parts of the Arab lands? If the Palestinians were indeed Jews, why did they not speak Hebrew? And why they do not give up Arabic and speak Hebrew as the vast number of Israeli Jews have done over the years when they have come to Israel from elsewhere?
He has said what Shlomo sand has said.The Germans learnt the hard way that Nazism is not equal to being German. It would be better to distinguish Zionism from being a Jew.Israel is a reality and for it to stay as such must give the Palestenians equal rights and not carry out slow genocide of the sons of the soil.If it insists on Zionism and equating it to Judaism then the consequences may end in tragedy which all peace loving people do not want.Jews who speak out for the rights of the oppressed Palestenians are far sighted visionaries who should not be ignored and branded as self hating Jews.Anti Semitism is the result of Jews clash with Christianity.Jews cannot afford to open a second front against Islam if they have to survive in the Middle East.All left leaning intellectuals owe Jews a debt of gratitude who led progressive thinking first in Europe and then in Russia.Jewish survival is conjoined with the Palestenians .
You mean the Palestinians who oppose a Kurdish state. What Hypocrites are these Palestinians. Read these 2 articles on this. The case for a Kurdish state (and the hypocrisy behind opposition to it) www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/04/alan-dershowitz-case-for-kurdish-state-and-hypocrisy-behind-opposition-to-it.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- PLO opposes Kurdish self-determination www.jerusalemonline.com/news/middle-east/the-arab-world/plo-opposes-kurdish-self-determination-15814
*Dan Livni* Look at what the Jews of Israel STOLE from Palestinians: *Facts relating to the Arab ownership of land* from ‘The Birth of Israel’ by Simha Flapan, who from 1954 to 1981 was National Secretary of Israel’s MAPAM party. The Israel Absentees’ Property Law of 1950 stated that any Arabs who left their place of residence between Nov ‘47 and Sept ’48, [note, this does not mean they actually crossed any borders], were declared absentees and their property subject to *appropriation* by the [Israeli] Custodian of Absentees Property. A detailed account was prepared by Joseph Schechtman... _“The amount of this property,”_ he wrote in 1952, is _“very considerable”: 2,990,000 dunams (739,750 arces) of formerly Arab owned land, including olive and orange groves, vineyards, citrus orchards, and assorted tree gardens, became totally _*_deserted?*... 2,070,270 dunams were of good quality, 136,530 of medium quality and 751,730 dunams were of poor soil. In addition, 73,000 dwelling rooms in *abandoned?_*_ Arab houses and 7,800 shops, workshops and storerooms became ownerless in towns and villages._ *Bank accounts estimated to total up to 5 million Palestinian pounds and left in Arab and non-Arab banks were frozen by the Israel government. All of this Arab absentee property, movable and immovable, was entrusted to an official “custodian".* Schechtman went on to detail how the property was utilized: _It is difficult to overestimate the tremendous role this abandoned Arab property has played in the settlement of 100’s of 1000’s of Jewish immigrants who have reached Israel since the proclamation of the state in May 1948. 47 new rural settlements established on the sites of abandoned Arab villages absorbed 25,255 new immigrants...over 1 million dunams leased by the custodian of Jewish settlements and individual farmers for the raising of grain crops._ Large tracts of land belonging to Arab absentees have also been leased to Jewish settlers, old and new, for the raising of vegetables. In the south alone, 15,000 dunams of vineyards and fruit trees have been leased to co-operative settlements; a similar area has been rented...This has saved the Jewish Agency and the government millions of dollars. Abandoned Arab dwellings in towns have also not remained empty. By the end of July 1948, 170,000 people, notably new immigrants and ex-soldiers, in addition to about 40,000 former tenants...have been housed in premises under the custodian’s control; and 7,000 shops, workshops, and stores were sublet to new arrivals. The existence of these Arab houses - vacant and ready for occupation - has to a large extent, solved the greatest immediate problem which faced the Israeli authorities in the absorption of immigrants. [details come from Joseph Schechtman’s book, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York, 1952) pp.95-96, 100-101, reprinted in Flapan’s book pp107-8.]
I can give you a thousand examples of war crimes committed by Palestinians, like killing Israeli children in their bed, blowing up buses, schools, disco’s, pizzeria’s, strapping mentally challenged kids with bombs, and I can go on all day.
The 48 war was the was the result of the Palestinians together with their Arab allies to perform ethnic cleansing on the Jews and their failure to complete it. Every single Jew in the parts of the Mandate seized by the Arabs was expelled from their homes. No exceptions. 850,000 Jews were also forced from the Arab countries. After the 5 Arab armies attacked Israel in 48, Palestinian leader Haj Amin Al Husseini stated: I declare a holy war, my muslim brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all! The Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha declared “a holy war. He said, “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.
There are four things which should be kept in mind: i.All over the Mediterranean during Roman times there were large Jewish communities settled in what is now Italy, France, Balkans, Anatolia etc ii If the Old Testament and Genesis were mythology. the Koran which uses large segments of the Old Testament as Allah's word would be discredited and be embarrassed. Prof Sands has carried a very subtle expose of Koran and Islam. iii When the first Crusaders went to Palestine, they found large numbers of Jews there many of whom they killed. iv Jews have always been living in Palestine and the post-Nazi migration encountered a settled Jewish community there.
Interesting. This is the first time I've ever heard that the Jews who remained converted to Islam and people knew about it. This makes me wonder about all the stuff that we never hear about.
I have read the book. I like Tariq Ali's summary but I don't remember where Shlomo Sand wrote that the Jews of those lands by and large converted to Islam. Can someone tell me the page number for my reference?
Probably not: "Over time, descendants start to shed the DNA of their actual ancestors, and the amount that vanishes builds up over the generations to be huge.. You carry DNA from only half of your ancestors dating eleven generations back. So it is possible that you are genetically unrelated to people you are actually descended from as recently as the 18th Century." www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51914782
Ali understands world polity and exposes the 1984 dilemma cautious ! you are being watched? internet can empower you with information but it cannot change demand Supply. It necessary to expose the military industrial complex which is responsible for troubled times.
This is total quackery. First, Judaism has never been defined in ethnic terms. The Torah itself refers to a "mixed multitude" coming out of Egypt. Second, even if ethnicity were relevant, DNA studies have confirmed that the Khazar theory is basically wrong. Third, everyone knows that many Jews converted to Christianity and Islam... in fact, Muhammad (SAWA) himself had two "Jewish" wives who converted to Islam. That means they are NOT Jews... it doesn't mean that Palestinians are the "real" Jews. Converting to Islam is analogous to renouncing British citizenship. Fourth, the majority of Israel's Jewish citizens are descended from Jews that immigrated from Muslim countries, not Ashkenazi Jews. Fifth, Ben Gurion and the Zionists didn't "invent" the Jewish people; even though Zionists were anti-religious in general, they did and still do defer to orthodox Judaism's conception of Jewish nationhood.
I don't disagree with your premise. Religions are not defined in ethnic terms. On the other hand, the definition in ethnic terms of the nation-state of israel is basic law.😊
Good luck for all humans on earth. All humans irrespective of their religion have the right to go or live in any part of world after required documentation. All humans have been created by God. God provides every thing to all the humans, not a particular religion, race. God does,t differentiate between his own created people.
Do the Palestinian Arabs ever call themselves Jews or do they link themselves with Arabia and other parts of the Arab lands? If the Palestinians were indeed Jews, why did they not speak Hebrew? And why they do not give up Arabic and speak Hebrew as the vast number of Israeli Jews have done over the years when they have come to Israel from elsewhere?
He has said what Shlomo sand has said.The Germans learnt the hard way that Nazism is not equal to being German. It would be better to distinguish Zionism from being a Jew.Israel is a reality and for it to stay as such must give the Palestenians equal rights and not carry out slow genocide of the sons of the soil.If it insists on Zionism and equating it to Judaism then the consequences may end in tragedy which all peace loving people do not want.Jews who speak out for the rights of the oppressed Palestenians are far sighted visionaries who should not be ignored and branded as self hating Jews.Anti Semitism is the result of Jews clash with Christianity.Jews cannot afford to open a second front against Islam if they have to survive in the Middle East.All left leaning intellectuals owe Jews a debt of gratitude who led progressive thinking first in Europe and then in Russia.Jewish survival is conjoined with the Palestenians .
+Nazir Lone exactly - like the Native Americans
You mean the Palestinians who oppose a Kurdish state.
What Hypocrites are these Palestinians.
Read these 2 articles on this.
The case for a Kurdish state (and the hypocrisy behind opposition to it)
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/04/alan-dershowitz-case-for-kurdish-state-and-hypocrisy-behind-opposition-to-it.html
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PLO opposes Kurdish self-determination
www.jerusalemonline.com/news/middle-east/the-arab-world/plo-opposes-kurdish-self-determination-15814
*Dan Livni* Look at what the Jews of Israel STOLE from Palestinians:
*Facts relating to the Arab ownership of land* from ‘The Birth of Israel’ by Simha Flapan, who from 1954 to 1981 was National Secretary of Israel’s MAPAM party.
The Israel Absentees’ Property Law of 1950 stated that any Arabs who left their place of residence between Nov ‘47 and Sept ’48, [note, this does not mean they actually crossed any borders], were declared absentees and their property subject to *appropriation* by the [Israeli] Custodian of Absentees Property.
A detailed account was prepared by Joseph Schechtman... _“The amount of this property,”_ he wrote in 1952, is _“very considerable”: 2,990,000 dunams (739,750 arces) of formerly Arab owned land, including olive and orange groves, vineyards, citrus orchards, and assorted tree gardens, became totally _*_deserted?*... 2,070,270 dunams were of good quality, 136,530 of medium quality and 751,730 dunams were of poor soil. In addition, 73,000 dwelling rooms in *abandoned?_*_ Arab houses and 7,800 shops, workshops and storerooms became ownerless in towns and villages._
*Bank accounts estimated to total up to 5 million Palestinian pounds and left in Arab and non-Arab banks were frozen by the Israel government. All of this Arab absentee property, movable and immovable, was entrusted to an official “custodian".*
Schechtman went on to detail how the property was utilized:
_It is difficult to overestimate the tremendous role this abandoned Arab property has played in the settlement of 100’s of 1000’s of Jewish immigrants who have reached Israel since the proclamation of the state in May 1948. 47 new rural settlements established on the sites of abandoned Arab villages absorbed 25,255 new immigrants...over 1 million dunams leased by the custodian of Jewish settlements and individual farmers for the raising of grain crops._
Large tracts of land belonging to Arab absentees have also been leased to Jewish settlers, old and new, for the raising of vegetables. In the south alone, 15,000 dunams of vineyards and fruit trees have been leased to co-operative settlements; a similar area has been rented...This has saved the Jewish Agency and the government millions of dollars.
Abandoned Arab dwellings in towns have also not remained empty. By the end of July 1948, 170,000 people, notably new immigrants and ex-soldiers, in addition to about 40,000 former tenants...have been housed in premises under the custodian’s control; and 7,000 shops, workshops, and stores were sublet to new arrivals. The existence of these Arab houses - vacant and ready for occupation - has to a large extent, solved the greatest immediate problem which faced the Israeli authorities in the absorption of immigrants.
[details come from Joseph Schechtman’s book, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York, 1952) pp.95-96, 100-101, reprinted in Flapan’s book pp107-8.]
I can give you a thousand examples of war crimes committed by Palestinians, like killing Israeli children in their bed, blowing up buses, schools, disco’s, pizzeria’s, strapping mentally challenged kids with bombs, and I can go on all day.
The 48 war was the was the result of the Palestinians together with their Arab allies to perform ethnic cleansing on the Jews and their failure to complete it.
Every single Jew in the parts of the Mandate seized by the Arabs was expelled from their homes. No exceptions.
850,000 Jews were also forced from the Arab countries.
After the 5 Arab armies attacked Israel in 48, Palestinian leader Haj Amin Al Husseini stated:
I declare a holy war, my muslim brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!
The Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha declared “a holy war. He said, “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.
My Salaam ( wishing safety ) to all the humans wherever the are. We all should have good views for others.
There are four things which should be kept in mind: i.All over the Mediterranean during Roman times there were large Jewish communities settled in what is now Italy, France, Balkans, Anatolia etc ii If the Old Testament and Genesis were mythology. the Koran which uses large segments of the Old Testament as Allah's word would be discredited and be embarrassed. Prof Sands has carried a very subtle expose of Koran and Islam. iii When the first Crusaders went to Palestine, they found large numbers of Jews there many of whom they killed. iv Jews have always been living in Palestine and the post-Nazi migration encountered a settled Jewish community there.
amazing lecture
Interesting. This is the first time I've ever heard that the Jews who remained converted to Islam and people knew about it. This makes me wonder about all the stuff that we never hear about.
It's the first time you heard it because it's not true. Muslim propagated history changes depending on the audience.
@@cecil123 What is your proof?
The onus of proof is on the one who makes the original claim. Ali has no proof and relies on emotion and fairy tales.
@@cecil123
He gave you the evidence you cretinous moron, you just chose not to accept.
Onus of proof lies on the nazis
"The Invention of the Jewish People," by Shlomo Sand, not "Sands [sic]."
I have read the book. I like Tariq Ali's summary but I don't remember where Shlomo Sand wrote that the Jews of those lands by and large converted to Islam. Can someone tell me the page number for my reference?
Does anyone have the name of the book?
and why and how they converted to Islam?
Non-muslims paid higher taxes.
Very well it can be verified through DNA test.
utpal banerjee Ashkenazi MtDNA is 80% European
www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543/figures/10
Probably not:
"Over time, descendants start to shed the DNA of their actual ancestors, and the amount that vanishes builds up over the generations to be huge..
You carry DNA from only half of your ancestors dating eleven generations back. So it is possible that you are genetically unrelated to people you are actually descended from as recently as the 18th Century."
www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51914782
literally not how dna works lol
Ali understands world polity and exposes the 1984 dilemma cautious ! you are being watched? internet can empower you with information but it cannot change demand Supply. It necessary to expose the military industrial complex which is responsible for troubled times.
This is total quackery. First, Judaism has never been defined in ethnic terms. The Torah itself refers to a "mixed multitude" coming out of Egypt. Second, even if ethnicity were relevant, DNA studies have confirmed that the Khazar theory is basically wrong. Third, everyone knows that many Jews converted to Christianity and Islam... in fact, Muhammad (SAWA) himself had two "Jewish" wives who converted to Islam. That means they are NOT Jews... it doesn't mean that Palestinians are the "real" Jews. Converting to Islam is analogous to renouncing British citizenship. Fourth, the majority of Israel's Jewish citizens are descended from Jews that immigrated from Muslim countries, not Ashkenazi Jews. Fifth, Ben Gurion and the Zionists didn't "invent" the Jewish people; even though Zionists were anti-religious in general, they did and still do defer to orthodox Judaism's conception of Jewish nationhood.
I don't disagree with your premise. Religions are not defined in ethnic terms. On the other hand, the definition in ethnic terms of the nation-state of israel is basic law.😊
His right!
that is a load of Bull Shit. Can't believe that all his arguments are based on just ONE book he read.
He said, she said.