Knitting Patterns vs Knitting Tutorials are You Expecting Too Much from Your Pattern?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

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  • @carmenjijon7421
    @carmenjijon7421 Год назад +3

    I rather watch your tutorials! I have really hard time reading patterns. I learned to knit watching tutorials! You are such a great teacher!!

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +1

      Thank you! I try my best to provide resources, but I cannot provide a series of step by step videos for every pattern LOL!

  • @OrchardHouseEditing
    @OrchardHouseEditing Год назад +6

    I like how you defined these boundaries. I’ve seen a shifting of expectations lately- newer makers, especially, seem to expect tutorials for pattern pricing (or for free!) and the pressure on designers is immense.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +2

      I guess this was sort of my way of setting some boundaries LOL. Because yes, people will ask and ask and ask.

  • @KittenWAW
    @KittenWAW Год назад +4

    Expectations are a two-way street, and (as always!) this is a wonderful description of the knitter's side of the road. After all, cars don't come with driving lessons and groceries don't include cooking lessons. Why should a pattern, needles or yarn be expected to have extensive user manuals? I suggest your Knitting Skill Level video for some insight on what designers expect of knitters.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +2

      The knitting skill level video is a great companion to this video. I didn't think of that!

    • @KittenWAW
      @KittenWAW Год назад

      @@WatchBarbaraKnit Is it too late to add a link in the info section?

  • @SilverNox
    @SilverNox Год назад +6

    I think a good way to look at it is: a cooking recipe isn’t going to spell out how to sauté or what it means to cream together butter and sugar. You wouldn’t reach out to the recipe creator for an explanation of how to do those things, you turn to a difference resource like RUclips or google.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +2

      Exactly LOL. I've used a similar comparison for when people come into the yarn store I work in and expect me to sit there and spend an hour teaching them how to knit for free. You don't walk into the grocery store and expect the butcher to provide step by step instructions on how to cook your steak LOL.

  • @karenalbery2773
    @karenalbery2773 Год назад +4

    Definitely interesting topic. I agree a pattern is different from a tutorial. When i purchase a pattern i expect it to be a full set of instructions that fully allows me to complete the project and has a thorough explaination of all terms used, but its not a class that will also teach you how to do it. I think its important for anyone wanting to knit or any other pursuit to take responsibility for learning the craft Themselves . If we are spoon fed every step we wont learn how or why and wont grow as a maker. And there are no excuses nowadays with books and you tube free and at our fingertips instantly.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +1

      I am so glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for the feedback!

  • @bonnielundholm5535
    @bonnielundholm5535 Год назад +4

    Excellent video. I love that you included price ranges that go along with pattern/tutorial types. As someone who has been reading knitting patterns for 30+ years and has dabbled in pattern writing, I appreciate the effort you have put into finding a way to explain this.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Thank you for watching and commenting. I am glad you found the video interesting.

  • @devoted2knit177
    @devoted2knit177 Год назад +3

    Your explanation is right on point.

  • @NerdyKnitting
    @NerdyKnitting Год назад +1

    You explained the difference between tutorials and patterns very well, Barbara! As I create both types it’s something I have to explain to my own audience as well.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Good communication is what is totally key! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Also, your little icon is ridiculously cute.

  • @donnacohen-avery8086
    @donnacohen-avery8086 Год назад

    When I started knitting (at least 45 years ago), the pattern standards included even less. I really appreciate how much information I find in today’s patterns. This is a great video for a knitter who really doesn’t understand what they signed up for when buying a pattern. I’m sure it is very frustrating for designers to work so hard creating something and have the user basically say it isn’t enough. You gave great tips for those folks to find what they need elsewhere. They call knitting a skill for a reason. It takes time to broaden your skill level and those skills come from adding and learning new elements over time. Patterns have really helped me continue to build my skill level. If I didn’t know a technique when buying the pattern, I either figured it out, looked it up in reference material I own or found a tutorial. I thought your take on this was completely reasonable.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Thank you for your kind words. I am glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @Neo__Nessa
    @Neo__Nessa Год назад

    As a beginner Knitter this was really helpful for me, and it kind of seems obvious after the fact, but looking for tutorials instead of beginner patterns is where I need to be lol thank you for sharing this!

  • @karenmezzacapo8763
    @karenmezzacapo8763 Год назад +1

    Love the way you break things down so it’s understood better.

  • @lmaowat6358
    @lmaowat6358 Год назад +1

    I think this is a clear explanation of the expectations with a pattern.
    Coming from technical documentation writing for IT, I was used to barebones instructions on completing a task, and that you have to look up a step if you’re unfamiliar with how to do it. It just feels more efficient once you get past the beginner stage.’
    Though, I’ll say I was excited when I found designers that included tutorial links for their preferred way of doing a technique. I think that’s a nice middle ground if they have a running list they can just copy into a pattern for things like cast ons and bind offs. Not necessary, but it’s a nice touch.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      I totally agree on linking to online resources, it's a great value ad.

  • @SarahJo
    @SarahJo Год назад +3

    I think this is a very reasonable perspective to have and I think more advanced knitters would get tired of wading through a tutorial every time they bought a pattern, but I also like the trend I'm seeing in some patterns where people include links to youtube tutorials (that either them or someone else made) explaining things if need be, I think that's a nice balance too.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +2

      You are totally right that more advanced knitters will complain if there is too much info LOL.
      I will not link to someone else's content in a pattern because I do not have control over the source. Anyone at anytime can decide that they are going to pull down their content and then I would be stuck with patterns with dead links. Yes those patterns could be updated but not everyone downloads updates and every time someone tried to click the dead link it would result in an unhappy email.
      I mean, look at what happened with XRX/Stitches. They were one of the biggest players in the industry and one would think that their content would be safe to link to, but it is all going to disappear in the bankruptcy.

    • @SarahJo
      @SarahJo Год назад

      @@WatchBarbaraKnit Makes sense, well it's a good thing you have a channel then LOL

  • @kellyramos4140
    @kellyramos4140 Год назад

    I agree with you on your points with this video! I also wanted to share that when I was knitting a pattern one time the designer shared technique videos that were the technique only, no voiceover. They were short videos and you could slow them down to really see what was going on. So you could put down your knitting, watch the video and then pick it up again and not listen to an intro, etc.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      That's great that that designer provides those tools! For my videos, I try very hard to thoroughly talk through what I'm doing because I've received feedback from visually impaired knitters who find my videos useful.

  • @SunshineLeclair
    @SunshineLeclair Год назад

    Hi Barb, great explanation! Very well put and yes I think this is something that needs to be out there. Always enjoy watching your videos ;) Have a great day, Sunshine

  • @AbbyBrooklyn1
    @AbbyBrooklyn1 Год назад

    I understand your point and I am sure that it is difficult when pattern purchasers made unreasonable demands. On the other hand, even though I am an experienced knitter, I am a sucker for patterns that include custom video tutorials and those will always be tempting to me for purchase.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +1

      That is one of the great things about having so many independent designers. You can usually find someone who creates patterns that mesh really well with what you want out of a pattern!

  • @maryannw5289
    @maryannw5289 Год назад +1

    Great topic! I have bought patterns where I had to google several techniques just to get the project started. I take that as a sign the pattern is aimed at a more experienced knitter, and I’ll find a less advanced pattern because I enjoy making what you call “cruise control” patterns. 😊

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Figuring out what kind of patterns you like is a great thing!

  • @angelinacrafts5385
    @angelinacrafts5385 Год назад +1

    I was testing a summer tee and paused when the short rows were not described to think if that was a need or a nicety. Yes I had to look it up to confirm which way to wrap but no it was not a need in a pattern. In fact I enjoyed and prefer the more concise pattern.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      One of the challenges is to find the happy medium between providing too much and not enough info. Most of the time you're going to get unhappy emails regardless LOL!

  • @bestofemse
    @bestofemse Год назад

    As a fairly new knitter I really like that I bought some patterns marked as "beginner friendly" and they had written the explanations to how to ssk and k2tog ect. and held my hand a bit more though out the pattern, however I've been crocheting for many years and I would have hated a crochet pattern with that level of detailed explanation because that is a skill that I already know and reading though several extra lines of text. So I found that the extra explanations was very nice for a beginner but I totally understand and agree that this level of information shouldn't normally be included in a pattern.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +1

      I think it's great that the designer labeled it beginner friendly and that definitely would push it more into a tutorial. And as you said, drive experienced crafters batty.

  • @joanmachado9063
    @joanmachado9063 Год назад +1

    Excellent podcast thank you 😊

  • @knitecochic
    @knitecochic Год назад +2

    Great distinction!

  • @susanday7323
    @susanday7323 Год назад

    You explained this so well!! By the way I love your shirt!

  • @heidicook2395
    @heidicook2395 Год назад

    Thanks for the clarification! Some day I would like to make tutorials aimed at blind and visually impaired persons. I need to have my own place first. Thanks for another informative video!

  • @nancybwilborn6752
    @nancybwilborn6752 Год назад

    Informative video Barbara….Interesting about the price range on patterns and why❤

  • @denisestalnaker5662
    @denisestalnaker5662 Год назад +1

    Thanks.

  • @kvcaps
    @kvcaps Год назад

    I believe you have done well to help us understand the differences. I will admit I have had to look up a tutorial when I haven’t used or familiar with the technique or stitch.
    Maybe you could and probably have all ready done a video on various stitches in patterns.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      I have done some when I felt they were needed but it is not one of my main focuses for this channel. There are other channels (like Very Pink Knits) that do tutorials so much better than I could hope to that I focus my energies on what underrepresented stuff I can figure out.

  • @SuddenUpdraft
    @SuddenUpdraft Год назад

    Thanks for another interesting video. I’ve knitted several Debbie Bliss patterns. What’s really annoying is that there are never schematics, ever. The photos concentrate more on artistic impact than clearly showing the back and front. A close up of a particularly difficult part wouldn’t hurt either. Her patterns are rather sparse with details, so the visual information is important. I don’t know why I keep knitting her stuff, except the kid garments are cute. Thanks again.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +2

      Debbie Bliss is from the UK and her patterns are more in the UK/European style .... which is a whole different discussion LOL. There is a lot more "assuming you know all this" in European style patterns than in US style patterns.

  • @velvetplans5396
    @velvetplans5396 Год назад +1

    This is really interesting. I actually like the idea of there being a more commonly used designation of pattern/tutorial for all self-published patterns. I personally prefer patterns to be laid out as you described- straightforward and showing you the what, not how, of reproducing an item. But often patterns I've purchased online are just WAY overloaded with all kinds of extra photos and written explanations of techniques that actually interrupt the making process for me. It's not to say that I know everything, I'm definitely a beginner knitter and intermediate crocheter and have so much to learn, but I absolutely prefer doing the research myself on the side.
    Of course it is helpful when there are hyperlinks within the pattern to video or written tutorials online, whether they are made by the pattern designer themselves or someone else. Do you think that it would be a lot of extra time and investment for designers to find these kinds of resources online and provide links within the pattern? Maybe this a middle of the road solution to this issue?
    Loved this video! So much fun :)

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +3

      I'm glad you enjoyed the video! The design process is a pretty time consuming process and adding anything on to it will definitely be an additional investment. And I answered someone who made a similar comment above so I am going to copy/paste what I said there LOL:
      I will not link to someone else's content in a pattern because I do not have control over the source. Anyone at anytime can decide that they are going to pull down their content and then I would be stuck with patterns with dead links. Yes those patterns could be updated but not everyone downloads updates and every time someone tried to click the dead link it would result in an unhappy email.
      Which leaves the designer creating the content, a definite additional time investment that will increase the price of the pattern/tutorial. But as I said in the video, having a platform to provide these kinds of resources was the primary reason I created Watch Barbara Knit. It was to have a resource under my personal control that I could link to LOL!

  • @LadyGecko
    @LadyGecko Год назад

    I ran into this several years back and it’s why I shut down my LAL (Loom-a-Long) group…I got tired of people not learning. The purpose of a tutorial is to teach you how to do something…like needle knit or loom knit or crochet or whatever. A pattern on the other hand is a list of instructions…of taking the things you have learned via tutorials and making something from it.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Totally. I think the lines are getting blurred tho hence why I thought it might be a discussion that needed to be had.

    • @LadyGecko
      @LadyGecko Год назад

      I think that folks are just getting lazy. Toss them a pattern from the 40s and they’d run away around nekkid. LOL

  • @knitcrochettiger361
    @knitcrochettiger361 Год назад +6

    in terms of sci-fi fans.....don't buy a star trek book that has a simple drawing of the Enterprise and expect for it to teach you how to build a star ship....hahahhahaa

  • @Luc.BooBak
    @Luc.BooBak Год назад +1

    Well, I'm not that experienced to knit only by patterns. I mean I could, but prefer tutorials. It's easier for me. However. I've been knitting my first lace pattern and struggled with it a lot. Yes, a lace pattern is something new to me so some mistakes were caused by that. But with a pattern pretending to be a tutorial (overal very detailed, beginner friendly) I'd expect all steps/parts to be mentioned. E. g. something so important as the number of sts in the chart is pictured without yos and knitted yos and not mentioned anywhere. Is it common? I frogged the yoke 5x because of it. Found out other people had the same trouble and the answer from the designer is always "read the pattern carefully." Well , it's not there. 🤷‍♀️
    Also, I personally don't like when designers use "how to do" videos of other people. First, the link may become dead as you mentioned. Second, to me it feels like the designer is stealing work of someone else.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Lace has it's own special set of challenges. I cannot really visualize what you are talking about and am afraid I'd have to look at the pattern to see what was going on. It sounds a little weird.

  • @dekoschaf
    @dekoschaf Год назад

    ... to me it was very hard to read all this short cuts in the knitting & crochet patterns, same with the knit font?, these pictures with all the circles and strokes in it. 🙀
    Then i started to watch tutorial videos and it was much easier. Hey, i know this stitch, how did she call it? Ok, after knowing the word for it i asked google for the shortcut word and the circles or strokes in the pictures. Meanwhile i understand a lot more and learned new stitches, but there are still a million stitches i dont know/ understand cause my skills are not good enough (at the moment)
    ... and just as i thought: ok, im half way on the safe side (in my language) i discovered some knitters & crochet in english... with completly other words for the same stitch and partially different in british/ american english...
    videos were very helpful and its really funny sometimes: what did she say, she pearls? Is she knitting with pearls in it? 🤔🔎
    No. In germany we know a "pearl stitch" but thats something completly different 🔎🔎 google told me its PURL not pearl, in my country we just call it "left stitches"... and so i discover often something new to learn - in both languages.
    But (for me) to understand the patterns and pictures i first need to see people knit or crochet the stitch or technic, then its much easier.
    ... and im glad yt told me to watch barbara knit in a country far far away, when i watch your videos i often get an other point of view - thank you 🤗

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      Thank you so much for watching and commenting. I had a friend who was struggling with a pattern and it turned out that the pattern was originally written in French and someone had just translated it literally into English .... and it really didn't work. There is so much specialized language and that language is different depending on where you are LOL

  • @YehowahDaughter
    @YehowahDaughter Год назад

    The problem is for those who are new to knitting to learn and become experienced so we may be able to knit the items we would love to knit.
    As example, I am new to knitting (April 2023) and I looked for beginner knitting patterns....seriously who wants to sit and knit wash cloths etc. To me that is not only a waste of time it is also a waste of yarn.
    Then you look for easy patterns......the point is, there needs to be a tutorial teaching new knitters what that pattern looks like and how to do it.
    I am a visual learner and trying to follow a written pattern is almost torturous for me at times. I feel there needs to be more "teaching" to help those who want to advance and become better knitters, crocheters etc.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +2

      The absolute best way to learn how to knit is to seek out a guild or a yarn store that offers in person classes. There are also creators who offer online classes that are excellent for skill building. And of course the creators who are specifically creating tutorials are definitely out there. One great resource is Tin Can Knits if you haven't found them yet.

  • @elisekt1860
    @elisekt1860 Год назад +2

    I’ve had trouble understanding patterns that seem to skip or change their wording in the middle of the pattern. Sometimes there will be en errata. I’m amazed at some patterns only cost $6 with so much detail and sizes and some that cost $12 and there was nothing too special.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +1

      I would say something like that is an example of poor pattern writing, and unfortunately that is out there. A pattern should be internally consistent and if a pattern writer is good they should be fairly consistent from pattern to pattern within their portfolio.

  • @marsy1480
    @marsy1480 Год назад

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pattern that is also a tutorial. Patterns equate to directions, tutorials tell you what you must do to carry out the directions.

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад

      I was using the term pattern to mean that when you finish following all of the directions you end up with a finished object. There are tutorials that walk you step by step from beginning to end of the included pattern. As opposed to a tutorial that does not end up with a completed project like a tutorial that just teaches you how to do a specific stitch or cast on.

    • @marsy1480
      @marsy1480 Год назад

      @@WatchBarbaraKnit basically what I was saying.

    • @marsy1480
      @marsy1480 Год назад

      @@WatchBarbaraKnit love your pointer duck btw 😆

  • @sooneatyOrchids
    @sooneatyOrchids Год назад

    You subject is interesting. You could edit this down to the basics. Lot of repetition here....

    • @WatchBarbaraKnit
      @WatchBarbaraKnit  Год назад +1

      The great thing about RUclips is that there are literally hundreds of creators putting out great content on a wide variety of subjects. I am sure you can find a creator that more fits your desired style of presentation.