I don't care for hagglers at all. I have also learned to get my money before unloading. I had a guy tell me that he was going to give me 80 instead of 100 after I had unloaded. He told me to take it or load it up and take it back. The look on his face when I loaded it up and left was priceless. He called me up a month later and tried to schedule a delivery, but I told him no.
Not quite that bad, but back in January, I had maybe a full cord ready to burn. So I loaded up and called the guy on the delivery date we agreed on. No one answered.. called the guy 3 times with in an hour. No answer.. guess who starts calling me at MIDNIGHT!! seen his number and was like, "Nope..
I ran my own business for near 30 years and often got asked for discounts. My margins were not big so I always said no, politely. I never minded people asking. Why would I blame someone for trying to save money, particularly if done respectfully. Now as a senior on limited income, I often will ask if a discount might be possible. If no, no problem. Respect and fairness are key. I buy over $1000 worth of firewood every year, 12 years now from the same guy. He brings good wood in good measure at the going rate for my area. I don't ask for a discount because I know how much work is involved for small profit. In fact, got my 8 cords delivered just last week and I actually gave him a decent tip because I know he treats me well and that's worth a lot to me. It really is about respect and fairness ... in both directions.
It amazes me how surprised customers are that my wife and I run our secondary firewood business like an actual business. We deliver for the state to emergency low income families, have a tax id# and sell by 1/3, 1/2 or full cord which we always over deliver just slightly. We have a Facebook page, a 5 star rating, a Google page, great reviews and a full time work phone that never leaves our side. We show up on time, offer to put it exactly where it’s going and do the little things people like. To me, this is how I run my other business, why would it be any different with firewood? To the consumer, they are amazed we aren’t just another schmo dumping a “load” of junk scrap wood he came across for free. It’s great not having much competition that’s for sure!
Hagglers, we happily discuss a discount. We simply ask “Which part of the process would you like to do?” Cut, split, stack, deliver.?” The price is the price. Period
hahaha...Yeah I tell them the wood is free its my time and labor I'm charging for. If they would like to come over and process the wood themselves I will just charge them for the usage of the equipment.
When they ask me if my price is negotiable I always respond with “yes! but only in one direction, up!”. But I don’t take it personally and get offended, honestly I like to haggle too 😂
I really truly enjoy this format of video over watching you process wood at 4x speed with background music. I would rather hear you talk for ten minutes while seeing you work for ten minutes than sit through a 25 minute music video. I know what work looks like. I generally have to get outside and do my own work. I appreciate your 10 or 20 minutes of wisdom per day.
Yup, and others just want to see it all and others don't want any talking and others want only saw work and others just want stacking and others just cats and others just processor and others just splitting....so I show what I do each day and hopefully there is something for everyone once in a while.
Fun video that day, an thanks for the discussion there. Understandable Chris on the pricing / dealing with costumers. Appreciate your knowledge on this topic and thanks for sharing this with us! Nice work that day! Andrew from NB :)
Nice video Chris. Your "value added" vs "bargain basement" marketing plan is a big part of what makes your business successful. Most bargain basement sellers either have an inferior product & service or are just trying to get out of the business. You have said many times that you sell out of dry wood every year so no reason to haggle. GNI
Hi Chris SAFETY TIP , watch Bert wood cats don’t snare in your wire around the woodyard.😊you probably have a turn out for a wood cat funnel in the woodyard for sure . I’ll just THINKING SAFETY remember SAFETY FIRST lol 😊.
Hi Chris, pleased you are ‘thriving’ in the NEW woodyard! But, how I miss the OLD woodyard……seen so many happy times there! Price of progress I guess! ☹️ Len (Devon 🇬🇧)
The back window is another thing you’ve taught me. I’ve only been doing firewood for a few years, but I’ve not broken a back window!!!! YET wish me luck!
Nice info Chris. I can say this now because the person involved has passed away. My late brother was non stop hustling. Even in his final moments in a coma his foot was wiggling. Anyway he was a shade tree mechanic when he was not working at the dealership. The man could fix anything with an engine on it. On days that i was working, he would use my garage as Wallys Service Station from Mayberry. He did extensive repairs to some ladies vehicle. He always wanted money up front for parts. She said she was short and come payday she would pay for the parts. Well payday came and no money. The job was done and she said she would run to the bank, be right back and pay for labor and materials. She stiffed him and never came back. Well, this person knew that person who knew someone who knew where she lived. He figured that the price was equivalent to one rear window and two side windows on each side of her vehicle. It is amazing what a Snap on Spring Loaded Center Punch can do to tempeted glass. Her car ran great, but she was a bit cold. No insurance either. Another chic had wirk done and it was the same thing. I will pay for parts when i get the total bill. He got stiffed on the parts. This time he knew where the person lived. He went to the house and he took off everything he installed and he left the old parts in a bag under the hood. My brother was a five time platinum award winning mechanic for the SE region of the US. He knew his worth. He knew people could not afford dealership rates. He wanted full price for parts and he gave everyone a break on their ability to pay.
Some clients are just bad, unreasonable people. I turned a gardening job down at the weekend because the client just had zero concept of business pricing (what she was willing to pay wouldn't have covered my diesel to drive to the site and back...). Even when I knew I wasn't going to take the job on, I wrote up a page of advice on how I'd tackle her garden if I were in her position and politely mentioned that I just wouldn't be able to take on the job for less than x-amount. I thought she'd understand... after all, I'd gone out of my way to offer free advice... but she then got really rude and straight-up abusive. I pulled out of communication at that point... it's just not worth getting into it! I have a policy - I'll never write something to a customer that I wouldn't be happy for them to screenshot and post publically. Take the good with the bad! On the following job, the guy was delighted with my work... didn't haggle on price, and even tipped me for a hard day's work. Good on ya for sticking to your guns and remaining polite and professional!
Got ya beat Chris, Broke One Rear Window. I do around 12 Cords a year. I heat with it. I don't normally use all 12 to heat with but have lots of campfires throughout Summer and Fall. I get my wood off MarketPlace. Blow downs and fall downs. A Log Truck load here sells for 750-1000 per load.depending on the diameter. I enjoy watching your videos for a long time now. Watch those kittys.
I agree I’ve had haggling and they wanted $10 off a load if they buy like 4 loads and I said no. Same price if you buy one or 10. My cost don’t change. I don’t get gas cheaper if I buy 10 gallons instead of 1.
If you want the discount... then you need to do some of the steps that I charged for. Like showing up to pick it up, stack it yourself, split it yourself, whatever. I charge for doing a half dozen steps... so you will need to do them for said discounts.
I did automotive repairs from home as a side job for years, had a couple hundred regular customers. Some of them would try the " while I'm here, could you also..." thing when picking up their repaired car, never expecting an additional charge. I'd simply add $50 to their bill before they showed up.
You know Chris if I was needing customers, yea cut him deal. But if I had more customers than wood, like you said no deal. Well until next time good morning, good afternoon & good night Irene!!!
I used to be in business for myself, I found that the most troublesome customers were those you took on when things were slow and you needed the work. It was hard but saying no is sometimes the best thing you can do.
As I startet business I did not think of letting something off from my bills. And then came the time when they asked me for this. And I did it. And felt bad afterwards. And then I decided not to do this anymore. Makes me sleep better. And I do great work, nobody complained ever regarding my works quality. In fact I tell everybody that I do my work for the people. But that’s not true - I am working to keep my family alive. I work for me. I help people with my work to let them help me with their money. And when I helped them I want them to help me as well. It unfair to reduce your help when having received help.
i love your videos i enjoy doing firewood with my dad and family i too get hagglers on my garden boxes all the time for a 60.00 item as well with my custom unique hand made furniture i have been doing boxes 10 plus yrs and i have turned away hagglers in my buisness my biggest pet peeve is people speaking for garden boxes i go ahead and make them and then they dont want them and i have to try n re sell them also the common courteously is out the window i never get notified if they change there mind keep up the great videos take care
Yah touch WOOD you never broke a window Chris. No hagglers for this boy either the amount of work that goes into a full cord of wood is cutting, hauling, loading, unloading, splitting, stacking, loading for delivery and equipment gas, chain oil so the price is the price.
G’morning Chris. Cool to see the original Woodyard. I don’t haggle either. “But I’ve been a customer 10 times”. I say thanks, and I don’t offer discounts. You’ll blow out yer window,,,, Thank you for allll you do, just for us. GoodNightIrene
It takes a while to get comfortable with your pricing. As a rule customers that are trying to talk you down are not good customers once you give them a discount they will not respect you or your product and are the first ones to talk bad about you.
Something I think might have been left out here is...Especially when dealing with foreigners, which I am sure you have plenty in your city delivery area. We as Americans have one of the only societies where prices are not negotiable. These folks are use to negotiating at the grocery store and everything they purchase. So it does not seem unnatural to ask and shouldn't necessarily be taken personally. As a contractor, the ones who always wanted a deal. I would learn to mark bids up so I could come down, and they would feel like they got a deal but with set firewood prices. This isn't possible...I do completely understand you not wanting to work for free, and thanks for taking on this topic!!
You are spot on with the deal makers.. Who want to race to be the cheapest? IE: who wants to make the least amount per hour? No one.. In my pizza restaurant, people are always asking for coupons. I never discount my food, for the same reason as you. I don’t have to. Keep it up Chris!!
Hi Chris, ya agree with you on that, I’m selling only bundle wood, I double my price this year, but thou in A fire starter, and some kindling, see what happens. ❤️🇨🇦
In The State of Milwaukee things depend on where people live. The South side is hard working children of depression parents. When i was fixing shoes another cobbler csme to our shop and we talked shop. He opened at 1000. A guy was banging on the door yelling I know you are in there, open up. It was 0900. All cobblers put in lots of off hours where we could pound nails and not get interrupted. Cements are time sensitive and more can get done when the shop is closed. The guy kept banging on the door. The other shop owner said he wrnt to the door and he sid he opened at 1000. The old guy insisted he wanted to pick up his shoes. The cobbler opened up and he ssid do you see the bank across the street? The customer said i bsnk there. The shop owner said do you beat on there door telling them you want your money when they are closed? So the owner was ringing up the sale and the guy shorted him ten cents. He said he was not going to pay. So the shop owner took the shoes and threw them across the highway and he said it was worth ten cents to see him walk across the street. The communities to the west were totally different. All i fixed was Allen Edmonds with full soles and heels. No half soles no matter how much money they could save.
I have done something similar in automotive.. i am in a place where i can put something up on the website with good photos and i will always have someone ask for a photo of a specific location on whatever part it is.. there have been times i have just said no because my experience is far better than some guys online selling it for cheaper..
Wow if i had a real buck (American of course its worth NZ 1.58 right now) for every time you drop a wisdom gem on this channel id be able to emmigrate to Wisconsin 😆👍 that video was so epic Chris im a actually going to rewatch it which is kinda rare, going for the twofer but that is worth watching again. Amazing advice 👍 GNI 🙋🥝
If you’re selling your firewood for $100/rick but somebody only wants to pay $80 dollars for a Rick, just say you’re fresh out of the $80 firewood. (You’re always out of $80 firewood)
Good to see the old wood yard. Good for you, sticking to your guns. Discount your wood once and that would snowball into more and more people wanting discounts. A little close to the window there this time. Hehe. Have a good day.
I've had random people comment on my Facebook posts or even email me that I'm "too expensive". Like you said, I just explain to them that I have a shortage of dry wood every year, not a surplus... so for my production level I'm priced perfect.
There are so many people selling around here. Usually $60-75 per face. If you look at the pics they post though about half of them the wood isn't seasoned. Looks like stuff that was cut yesterday. I guess if you don't have to have it sitting around forever to season selling it cheaper but the buyers aren't going to be very happy when they can't burn it.
I love that story I would have loaded the wood up to way to stick to your guns good job thank you for the video I cut trees for a living people try to haggle my process all the time but I tell them I can't afford to do it cheaper my equipment is very expensive and if they want the job done cheaper call someone else😅
It's scary as I was just wondering about mishaps with rear window when you addressed it. Well as was said in A river runs thru it you are truley a good wood chucker.
I do the same thing, I hold my price. I do have pricing discounts. I only make about $25 hour in profit after paying all the expenses, so there’s no room for negotiation.
Pushing that wheelbarrow with that load is a massive workout for the legs. This is why you're in good shape! Also why my legs are getting weak... I don't do this. I used to be an IT guy in a high school, always took the stairs, I had strong legs back then. LOL, on teacher work days I could wear shorts, the secretaries liked my legs. Maybe it's time to push my wheelbarrow around! It will be good for me if it doesn't kill me. OK, I'm rambling. Sorry! And yes, the price is the price. Those who haggle have never done any wood splitting work.
Good day to you, (another subject from months ago ;-) ) I'm wondering if you bought/installed suspension enhancement (like the Timbren) If yes, how it handle? Be well ;-)
Some what but different in most ways. I have a lot of splitting video and cutting videos and processor videos and delivery videos and stacking videos so yes if you do a video EVERY day for 3 years for FREE there will be some overlap. No, on the suspension question.
I do the same bulshit I have customers called me constantly all I can get it done Road cheaper so I say well go get it and then when you do pick me one up because the bottom line is they go get it from that customer and then they'll get it and then it turns out to be green and it won't burn it and I call you back and say I should have bought it from you while should have could have would
My brother run a treeservice here in Sweden and one new customer asked for a discount the first thing before even hearing the pricing, my brother told him that he usally don't give that to first time customer but only for thoose who order several jobs or big ones. The customer was stubborn so my brother said, OK how big discount do you want? 20, 50 or 80%, so i know what price i should start with! The customer became quiet...
@@InTheWoodyard Yes it was a good one, another time a relative wanted his services and asked for a friendprice, my brother asked him who should be the friend then, you and pay me better than the other customers. The relative went quiet... ha ha
Maybe you should try a few more voice-over videos, gives you more control over the narrative. Foxfire does this with good effect. And thanks for the shorter duration. I sometimes have trouble making time for the 12+ minute ones. Reno
If I'am ever up six hours north , I plan to take him a back window, He can wind up like a pitcher and hurl a chunk right through the center 😊😊😊 It will be a 20 second short 😊😊😊 ZING ! Crash 😊😊😊
ohhh…. difficult question. So, I think it's a question of what you're selling. what you have more of, there is certainly less discount than when you only have one thing and for which there is little comparison. I'm thinking of used tractors. everyone is worn out differently, there aren't always comparable offers. So I start with a price that already includes a price reduction that I can give. I just bought an old one for 1700 and had the target 2700 so I offered it for 3000 and got the 2700. but when I sell nursery plants, they have one price and the next 200 have the same price. I don't give any discount at all.
There is harm however, you may get less service or quantity or quality or offend someone for your "efforts". You may even get taken off a the "list" of customers that I want and get told no when you really need a service or product.
If its somebody that I know or buys a lot I will knock something off for them. I get non stop ridiculous messages though on stuff I have for sale. Not just wood most of it is cars, car parts, tools whatever and I get these messages constantly offering me half or less then what I have everything listed for and I always list cheap anyway because I want rid of it lol. I have had some give me some sort of timeframe that I have to accept their absurd offer by too lol. Then all the people that want to trade and whatever they have is almost always worthless junk
I charge more for dumb questions Chris. Now I have a question, and I hope it's not dumb. I noticed crosstie steps going up to what appears to be a large pile of rocks. What the heck is that?
I don't care for hagglers at all. I have also learned to get my money before unloading. I had a guy tell me that he was going to give me 80 instead of 100 after I had unloaded. He told me to take it or load it up and take it back. The look on his face when I loaded it up and left was priceless. He called me up a month later and tried to schedule a delivery, but I told him no.
A guy like that should look forward to Halloween… lol
The kids can be a real pain in the butt when you short them on candy… lol
Not quite that bad, but back in January, I had maybe a full cord ready to burn. So I loaded up and called the guy on the delivery date we agreed on. No one answered.. called the guy 3 times with in an hour. No answer.. guess who starts calling me at MIDNIGHT!! seen his number and was like, "Nope..
That is AWESOME, I like it!!!! Good for you Dale.
Nope is right Daniel!!!
I ran my own business for near 30 years and often got asked for discounts. My margins were not big so I always said no, politely. I never minded people asking. Why would I blame someone for trying to save money, particularly if done respectfully. Now as a senior on limited income, I often will ask if a discount might be possible. If no, no problem. Respect and fairness are key. I buy over $1000 worth of firewood every year, 12 years now from the same guy. He brings good wood in good measure at the going rate for my area. I don't ask for a discount because I know how much work is involved for small profit. In fact, got my 8 cords delivered just last week and I actually gave him a decent tip because I know he treats me well and that's worth a lot to me. It really is about respect and fairness ... in both directions.
Yup, good points! The market will clean out the bad players weather high, low, poor service, poor quality or poor practices.
Very well said. I couldn’t agree more!
It amazes me how surprised customers are that my wife and I run our secondary firewood business like an actual business. We deliver for the state to emergency low income families, have a tax id# and sell by 1/3, 1/2 or full cord which we always over deliver just slightly. We have a Facebook page, a 5 star rating, a Google page, great reviews and a full time work phone that never leaves our side. We show up on time, offer to put it exactly where it’s going and do the little things people like. To me, this is how I run my other business, why would it be any different with firewood? To the consumer, they are amazed we aren’t just another schmo dumping a “load” of junk scrap wood he came across for free. It’s great not having much competition that’s for sure!
Hagglers, we happily discuss a discount. We simply ask “Which part of the process would you like to do?” Cut, split, stack, deliver.?” The price is the price. Period
hahaha...Yeah I tell them the wood is free its my time and labor I'm charging for. If they would like to come over and process the wood themselves I will just charge them for the usage of the equipment.
Good one! I LIKE IT!!
That is a good one too!!
When they ask me if my price is negotiable I always respond with “yes! but only in one direction, up!”. But I don’t take it personally and get offended, honestly I like to haggle too 😂
That is a good one!
you did right and it's great you didn't take offence. perfect. love watching a slice of American life here in kent, UK.
thanks!
Yes sir Chris i agree! A man's price is HIS PRICE! 👊
Thanks Russ!
I really truly enjoy this format of video over watching you process wood at 4x speed with background music. I would rather hear you talk for ten minutes while seeing you work for ten minutes than sit through a 25 minute music video. I know what work looks like. I generally have to get outside and do my own work. I appreciate your 10 or 20 minutes of wisdom per day.
Yup, and others just want to see it all and others don't want any talking and others want only saw work and others just want stacking and others just cats and others just processor and others just splitting....so I show what I do each day and hopefully there is something for everyone once in a while.
Agreed. I watch these videos to gain knowledge, not just to watch Chris work in fast-forward.
Great video! I agree with you 100% you should never haggle over firewood because it's already way cheaper than should be! 😊
Absolutely!!
Hey, Chris! I am glad you stuck to your guns. We all need to do that. It was great to see the old woodyard .Take care, and have a great day! Steve
Thanks Steve!!
No haggles is many the most important lessons of all👍👍
yup!
Fun video that day, an thanks for the discussion there. Understandable Chris on the pricing / dealing with costumers. Appreciate your knowledge on this topic and thanks for sharing this with us! Nice work that day! Andrew from NB :)
Yup, thanks again!
When one door closes another one opens. Thanks Chris.
Yup, thanks Ken!
Nice video Chris. Your "value added" vs "bargain basement" marketing plan is a big part of what makes your business successful. Most bargain basement sellers either have an inferior product & service or are just trying to get out of the business. You have said many times that you sell out of dry wood every year so no reason to haggle. GNI
Yup, good points Larry!
Hi Chris SAFETY TIP , watch Bert wood cats don’t snare in your wire around the woodyard.😊you probably have a turn out for a wood cat funnel in the woodyard for sure . I’ll just THINKING SAFETY remember SAFETY FIRST lol 😊.
I appreciate your input!
Everybody wants the best deal but if you've ever cut wood you know it's hard work
Yup.
Nice video, Chris. Love to watch those who enjoy cutting firewood. Keep it up!
Thanks for watching!
Hi Chris, pleased you are ‘thriving’ in the NEW woodyard! But, how I miss the OLD woodyard……seen so many happy times there! Price of progress I guess! ☹️ Len (Devon 🇬🇧)
Change is good and inevitable!
The back window is another thing you’ve taught me.
I’ve only been doing firewood for a few years, but I’ve not broken a back window!!!!
YET
wish me luck!
Just be careful!
How about installing a grid?
Love the sound effects of good dry wood smacking against each other.
Thanks!
Good Morning Woodhounds!!!
Morning well actually evening here Gregg. How's things 😁👍🙋🥝
Hello Greg!
Nice info Chris. I can say this now because the person involved has passed away.
My late brother was non stop hustling. Even in his final moments in a coma his foot was wiggling.
Anyway he was a shade tree mechanic when he was not working at the dealership.
The man could fix anything with an engine on it. On days that i was working, he would use my garage as Wallys Service Station from Mayberry.
He did extensive repairs to some ladies vehicle. He always wanted money up front for parts. She said she was short and come payday she would pay for the parts.
Well payday came and no money. The job was done and she said she would run to the bank, be right back and pay for labor and materials.
She stiffed him and never came back. Well, this person knew that person who knew someone who knew where she lived.
He figured that the price was equivalent to one rear window and two side windows on each side of her vehicle.
It is amazing what a Snap on Spring Loaded Center Punch can do to tempeted glass.
Her car ran great, but she was a bit cold. No insurance either.
Another chic had wirk done and it was the same thing. I will pay for parts when i get the total bill.
He got stiffed on the parts. This time he knew where the person lived. He went to the house and he took off everything he installed and he left the old parts in a bag under the hood.
My brother was a five time platinum award winning mechanic for the SE region of the US. He knew his worth. He knew people could not afford dealership rates. He wanted full price for parts and he gave everyone a break on their ability to pay.
Yup, some people are very crooked.
Some clients are just bad, unreasonable people. I turned a gardening job down at the weekend because the client just had zero concept of business pricing (what she was willing to pay wouldn't have covered my diesel to drive to the site and back...).
Even when I knew I wasn't going to take the job on, I wrote up a page of advice on how I'd tackle her garden if I were in her position and politely mentioned that I just wouldn't be able to take on the job for less than x-amount.
I thought she'd understand... after all, I'd gone out of my way to offer free advice... but she then got really rude and straight-up abusive. I pulled out of communication at that point... it's just not worth getting into it!
I have a policy - I'll never write something to a customer that I wouldn't be happy for them to screenshot and post publically.
Take the good with the bad! On the following job, the guy was delighted with my work... didn't haggle on price, and even tipped me for a hard day's work.
Good on ya for sticking to your guns and remaining polite and professional!
Yup, sometimes you have to walk away.
Got ya beat Chris, Broke One Rear Window. I do around 12 Cords a year. I heat with it. I don't normally use all 12 to heat with but have lots of campfires throughout Summer and Fall.
I get my wood off MarketPlace. Blow downs and fall downs. A Log Truck load here sells for 750-1000 per load.depending on the diameter.
I enjoy watching your videos for a long time now. Watch those kittys.
Thanks so much for watching and keep cuttin'!
Love to see that old woodyard! Nice delivery! -Brad
Hello Brad! Long time no talk! I hope retirement is going well for you and your family is well!
I agree I’ve had haggling and they wanted $10 off a load if they buy like 4 loads and I said no. Same price if you buy one or 10. My cost don’t change. I don’t get gas cheaper if I buy 10 gallons instead of 1.
Yup, good one!
If you want the discount... then you need to do some of the steps that I charged for. Like showing up to pick it up, stack it yourself, split it yourself, whatever. I charge for doing a half dozen steps... so you will need to do them for said discounts.
Yup....me ...the price is the price this is not the streets of a third world country or lets make a deal.
I'm just going to say I want to nominate this for best voice over on your channel yet!!!
Thanks Travis!
I did automotive repairs from home as a side job for years, had a couple hundred regular customers. Some of them would try the " while I'm here, could you also..." thing when picking up their repaired car, never expecting an additional charge. I'd simply add $50 to their bill before they showed up.
Haaaa! Good for you!!! I like it!
Good morning all!
Morning now kurt😂yeah I get these videos really late. How's things 👍🙋🥝
@@kaitlynlsari681 better late than never Kaitlyn! Life is good, spring has sprung, and things are happening. Have a great day-
Hello Kurt!
Good video Chris, hickory smells so good in town there was a hickory store went there all the time not there any more miss it
Yup, all wood has a unique smell, some good some not so much!
You know Chris if I was needing customers, yea cut him deal. But if I had more customers than wood, like you said no deal. Well until next time good morning, good afternoon & good night Irene!!!
Yup, to build customers that is true, I do not really want or need more myself.
I used to be in business for myself, I found that the most troublesome customers were those you took on when things were slow and you needed the work. It was hard but saying no is sometimes the best thing you can do.
That is very true!!!
As I startet business I did not think of letting something off from my bills. And then came the time when they asked me for this. And I did it. And felt bad afterwards. And then I decided not to do this anymore. Makes me sleep better. And I do great work, nobody complained ever regarding my works quality.
In fact I tell everybody that I do my work for the people. But that’s not true - I am working to keep my family alive. I work for me. I help people with my work to let them help me with their money. And when I helped them I want them to help me as well. It unfair to reduce your help when having received help.
I have learned that I can say NO. If they keep at it, I ask what part of NO do you not understand. The N or the O.
@@annmariekowalski7505 hahahahaha that's what we used to tell our kids when they were younger. But you're absolutely correct.
@@annmariekowalski7505 Ha! That is a good one!
i love your videos i enjoy doing firewood with my dad and family i too get hagglers on my garden boxes all the time for a 60.00 item as well with my custom unique hand made furniture i have been doing boxes 10 plus yrs and i have turned away hagglers in my buisness my biggest pet peeve is people speaking for garden boxes i go ahead and make them and then they dont want them and i have to try n re sell them also the common courteously is out the window i never get notified if they change there mind keep up the great videos take care
Thanks for watching Eric!
Yah touch WOOD you never broke a window Chris. No hagglers for this boy either the amount of work that goes into a full cord of wood is cutting, hauling, loading, unloading, splitting, stacking, loading for delivery and equipment gas, chain oil so the price is the price.
Yup, the price is low already!
Thanks for the great information Chris! And have a great wensday today..
Thanks Bobby, you too!
@@InTheWoodyard thanks Chris!
G’morning Chris. Cool to see the original Woodyard. I don’t haggle either. “But I’ve been a customer 10 times”. I say thanks, and I don’t offer discounts. You’ll blow out yer window,,,, Thank you for allll you do, just for us.
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Yup, now I can offer a free bundle of kindling ...maybe on big orders but the price is the price.
Anyone who doesn’t appreciate the hard work of wood harvesting is not a customer.🌿
Yup!
So true what you said give an inch they take a mile!
Yup!
Good advice !
Thanks!
reminds me of old cartoon,,,"I'll Gladly Pay You Tuesday For A Hamburger Today"
Yup, I have had those too.
Nice wood. Great weather.
Thanks Tim!
It takes a while to get comfortable with your pricing. As a rule customers that are trying to talk you down are not good customers once you give them a discount they will not respect you or your product and are the first ones to talk bad about you.
Yup, you are exactly correct!
Something I think might have been left out here is...Especially when dealing with foreigners, which I am sure you have plenty in your city delivery area. We as Americans have one of the only societies where prices are not negotiable. These folks are use to negotiating at the grocery store and everything they purchase. So it does not seem unnatural to ask and shouldn't necessarily be taken personally. As a contractor, the ones who always wanted a deal. I would learn to mark bids up so I could come down, and they would feel like they got a deal but with set firewood prices. This isn't possible...I do completely understand you not wanting to work for free, and thanks for taking on this topic!!
Good point and yes that is true but there are people who I do not want to deal (haggle) with so I walk away sometimes.
@In The Woodyard Gotta go with your gut feeling with each individual when it comes down to it! Absolutely nothing wrong with walking away!
🤣 The comments on the guy loading the truck. What a nut! You really should do another.
There will be more!
Great video Sir Chris! Love those deliveries! See ya tomorrow 👊🏻GNI
Thanks Sir Toddeth!
When I sold wood, the price was the price .Money on delivery
Same for me!
Just ask a haggler:
Do you work for free?
They shut down real fast with that😂😂
Yup!
You are spot on with the deal makers..
Who want to race to be the cheapest? IE: who wants to make the least amount per hour? No one..
In my pizza restaurant, people are always asking for coupons. I never discount my food, for the same reason as you. I don’t have to.
Keep it up Chris!!
Thanks Steve!
Hi Chris, ya agree with you on that, I’m selling only bundle wood, I double my price this year, but thou in A fire starter, and some kindling, see what happens. ❤️🇨🇦
Good ideas!
I like the commentary at the end of the voice over, well done sir!
Thanks Bobby!
I bet that new customer liked the wood!
Yup, they all do!
In The State of Milwaukee things depend on where people live. The South side is hard working children of depression parents. When i was fixing shoes another cobbler csme to our shop and we talked shop.
He opened at 1000. A guy was banging on the door yelling I know you are in there, open up. It was 0900. All cobblers put in lots of off hours where we could pound nails and not get interrupted. Cements are time sensitive and more can get done when the shop is closed.
The guy kept banging on the door. The other shop owner said he wrnt to the door and he sid he opened at 1000. The old guy insisted he wanted to pick up his shoes. The cobbler opened up and he ssid do you see the bank across the street? The customer said i bsnk there. The shop owner said do you beat on there door telling them you want your money when they are closed?
So the owner was ringing up the sale and the guy shorted him ten cents. He said he was not going to pay. So the shop owner took the shoes and threw them across the highway and he said it was worth ten cents to see him walk across the street.
The communities to the west were totally different. All i fixed was Allen Edmonds with full soles and heels. No half soles no matter how much money they could save.
cool story, thanks!
I have done something similar in automotive.. i am in a place where i can put something up on the website with good photos and i will always have someone ask for a photo of a specific location on whatever part it is.. there have been times i have just said no because my experience is far better than some guys online selling it for cheaper..
Yup, you can not have and do not want all the people.
Wow if i had a real buck (American of course its worth NZ 1.58 right now) for every time you drop a wisdom gem on this channel id be able to emmigrate to Wisconsin 😆👍 that video was so epic Chris im a actually going to rewatch it which is kinda rare, going for the twofer but that is worth watching again. Amazing advice 👍 GNI 🙋🥝
Thanks Kaitlyn!
Hard to haggle with a "wood guy," they just bring you less wood.
Yup, that is possible or junk wood.
Nice job god bless
Thanks!
If you’re selling your firewood for $100/rick but somebody only wants to pay $80 dollars for a Rick, just say you’re fresh out of the $80 firewood. (You’re always out of $80 firewood)
Yup, good one!
Good to see the old wood yard.
Good for you, sticking to your guns. Discount your wood once and that would snowball into more and more people wanting discounts.
A little close to the window there this time. Hehe.
Have a good day.
Yup, stand firm.
Ooof I’d be scared of jinxing myself with the back glass lol. I bragged I’d driven for years in WV & had never hit a deer……2 weeks later guess what ….
I have been doing that for decades.
I've had random people comment on my Facebook posts or even email me that I'm "too expensive". Like you said, I just explain to them that I have a shortage of dry wood every year, not a surplus... so for my production level I'm priced perfect.
Yup, like the specialty light bulb sales man.....go make your own.
There are so many people selling around here. Usually $60-75 per face. If you look at the pics they post though about half of them the wood isn't seasoned. Looks like stuff that was cut yesterday. I guess if you don't have to have it sitting around forever to season selling it cheaper but the buyers aren't going to be very happy when they can't burn it.
I love that story I would have loaded the wood up to way to stick to your guns good job thank you for the video I cut trees for a living people try to haggle my process all the time but I tell them I can't afford to do it cheaper my equipment is very expensive and if they want the job done cheaper call someone else😅
Yup, good for you!
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Thanks again for the thumbs!
It's scary as I was just wondering about mishaps with rear window when you addressed it. Well as was said in A river runs thru it you are truley a good wood chucker.
Thanks Ray!
I gotta say I don’t get any hagglers! Even with my price increase last year people just say bring it!!👍👍GNI
Then maybe you need to raise it again!!!
@@InTheWoodyard next year I will
My answer is almost always, what someone doesn’t buy someone else will. 😅
Yup!
I do the same thing, I hold my price. I do have pricing discounts. I only make about $25 hour in profit after paying all the expenses, so there’s no room for negotiation.
Yup!!!
For what it worth, I find that cottonwood is better kindling than cedar for getting my ash burning. Seems to burn hotter and longer.
Yup, they both work great for kindling!
Hello all
A lot of work goes into making firewood. Good value at your prices.
No deals.
Yup, work it is!
Pushing that wheelbarrow with that load is a massive workout for the legs. This is why you're in good shape! Also why my legs are getting weak... I don't do this. I used to be an IT guy in a high school, always took the stairs, I had strong legs back then. LOL, on teacher work days I could wear shorts, the secretaries liked my legs. Maybe it's time to push my wheelbarrow around! It will be good for me if it doesn't kill me. OK, I'm rambling. Sorry!
And yes, the price is the price. Those who haggle have never done any wood splitting work.
Yup, work is good for you but most people avoid it!
Woods startin to move again!!! Take notes for the future.
Yup, it sells year round.
I've been wondering, do you have a 6.5' bed on your truck?
Yup!
Good day to you, (another subject from months ago ;-) ) I'm wondering if you bought/installed suspension enhancement (like the Timbren) If yes, how it handle? Be well ;-)
Some what but different in most ways. I have a lot of splitting video and cutting videos and processor videos and delivery videos and stacking videos so yes if you do a video EVERY day for 3 years for FREE there will be some overlap. No, on the suspension question.
What are your thoughts on using those truck bed cargo unloaders that you can crank to turn it like a conveyor belt?
I have one, it is junk.
@@InTheWoodyard Yeah, I thought as much in your case. “not heavy duty enough” would be the answer, thank you
I do the same bulshit I have customers called me constantly all I can get it done Road cheaper so I say well go get it and then when you do pick me one up because the bottom line is they go get it from that customer and then they'll get it and then it turns out to be green and it won't burn it and I call you back and say I should have bought it from you while should have could have would
yup!!
My brother run a treeservice here in Sweden and one new customer asked for a discount the first thing before even hearing the pricing, my brother told him that he usally don't give that to first time customer but only for thoose who order several jobs or big ones. The customer was stubborn so my brother said, OK how big discount do you want? 20, 50 or 80%, so i know what price i should start with! The customer became quiet...
Haaaa! THAT is a great response! I will be using that one!!!!
@@InTheWoodyard Yes it was a good one, another time a relative wanted his services and asked for a friendprice, my brother asked him who should be the friend then, you and pay me better than the other customers. The relative went quiet... ha ha
Maybe you should try a few more voice-over videos, gives you more control over the narrative. Foxfire does this with good effect. And thanks for the shorter duration. I sometimes have trouble making time for the 12+ minute ones. Reno
Will do, thanks!
When people try to haggle over price they are trying to tell you what your time is worth. Time is your life you decide!!!!
Exactly!
I am holding my breath waiting for the sound of broken glass. LOL
You will have to hold for a long time, I have never broke one in 53 years of chucking wood into a truck bed.
If I'am ever up six hours north , I plan to take him a back window,
He can wind up like a pitcher and hurl a chunk right through the center 😊😊😊
It will be a 20 second short 😊😊😊
ZING ! Crash
😊😊😊
@@InTheWoodyard I have been watching you for years and yes, I believe you LOL
@@jeanvaljohn3921 I just might have to do that for a video!
ohhh…. difficult question. So, I think it's a question of what you're selling. what you have more of, there is certainly less discount than when you only have one thing and for which there is little comparison. I'm thinking of used tractors. everyone is worn out differently, there aren't always comparable offers. So I start with a price that already includes a price reduction that I can give. I just bought an old one for 1700 and had the target 2700 so I offered it for 3000 and got the 2700. but when I sell nursery plants, they have one price and the next 200 have the same price. I don't give any discount at all.
Yup, the price is the price.
Refuse to haggle with anyone. I know what my time is worth
Yup!!
The price is the price! Even though we enjoy doing the work we still have bills that need to be paid.
Yup, there is always bills and dents in the truck to fix! Just kidding my friend! Keep on breaking in those new boots!!!
@@InTheWoodyard Absolutely
How’d you load that fast without music!?! 😜
It ain't easy! ha!
When dealing in cash part of the fun is to deal.
nothing wrong in asking, half the fun is hagglin'......even if the price is firm there's no harm. Some of us just can't help but ask.
Maybe, some people take it as an insult though.
There is harm however, you may get less service or quantity or quality or offend someone for your "efforts". You may even get taken off a the "list" of customers that I want and get told no when you really need a service or product.
Something for nothing, in and out is never free.
Time is the most valuable thing we have and I do not want to discount mine.
What’s the dimensions on your truck? Curious how much wood it holds?
The box is 6.5' and it holds 1/3 of a cord loose and 1/2 a cord level stacked.
What is the wireless mic you are using please?
Rode 2
I miss the wood yard! Something about stacking and organizing made the channel. Now its a lot about cats…
Still watch daily
Thanks for watching!
I understand someone trying to haggle, but I'll only give a break to a very loyal customer on delivery fees. Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Yup, only for special customers.
Chris,you should have told the person that you’re not a car dealership that you’re in the fire wood business ❤😮😊
Ha! Good one!
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Thanks!!
Has nothing to do with haulers, but, how many chunks have went thru the window? 🙂
I have never broke a window.
I don't mind haggling, I just can't stand it when its after a price has been agreed and you've dropped the wood on their drive
Pick it up and leave.
Will you be buying another Toyota after this one Chris ? I just bought a Chevy Colorado Happy so far :) I got a great price so I went Chevy.....
Maybe so???
so how much is a face cord of wood?? not price but space???
One row of 16" pieces stacked 4' high and 8' long 42.666 square feet.
Dis counts dat counts, everything counts.
Yes it does!
If its somebody that I know or buys a lot I will knock something off for them. I get non stop ridiculous messages though on stuff I have for sale. Not just wood most of it is cars, car parts, tools whatever and I get these messages constantly offering me half or less then what I have everything listed for and I always list cheap anyway because I want rid of it lol. I have had some give me some sort of timeframe that I have to accept their absurd offer by too lol. Then all the people that want to trade and whatever they have is almost always worthless junk
YUP!!!
If you stick to your price, Sometimes a haggler will become a great customer, they just want to see if they can get over on you.
Yup!
I charge more for dumb questions Chris.
Now I have a question, and I hope it's not dumb. I noticed crosstie steps going up to what appears to be a large pile of rocks. What the heck is that?
That is a set for my photography studio.
@@InTheWoodyard That was a lot of work!
But then what's new? Lol
Do you work? How would you feel if your boss wanted to haggle your pay cheque after the work was done? The price is the only price.
Yup,I like it!