Though not for everyone or every situation, Evertune is a cheat code for this concept. It taught me to notice and be aware of transient tuning variation. Now it drives me crazy but is worth the time on standard bridges to get it right. Great vid!
The simplest thing would be a working Smash&Grab compressor, but you'd rather not fix it and sell it anyway, even though it has none of its core functions lol For those who don't know: At least on macOS, the different modes for kick, snare etc don't work because they all have the same settings. About a year ago it was said in the Facebook group that there would be a fix. Turns out there still isn't a fix and they are still selling the non-functioning plugin for $100. Well done...
I wouldn't say that chopping up the performance and changing the tuning for each chord or riff is "easy". It's more tedious and surgical, and kinda takes the fun out of recording. Sure, it sounds more in tune, but does it actually matter? If your guitar is intonated, it's in tune, and you play it well, then people won't know or care that some notes are slightly out of tune, because that's what guitars sound like and we've heard them that way since their inception. We accept that our tuning system is imperfect. And I believe that you can still make a clean, modern production without trying to perfect the performances, it's not just for raw, noisy styles. If you want your metal music to sound like MIDI, then go for it, but it's not easy and at least from my point of view, is undesirable.
I don’t think perfect tuning is boring or that it removes the human element, I just have never heard of any producers record guitar that way. I’m sure they’re out there but I’d bet less than 1% of records I listen to are tuned chord by chord and I’ve never noticed a guitar being out of tune (on a professional release). What’s important is having a decent guitar that’s properly set up, intonated, and doesn’t fall out of tune every five seconds. If you’re having tuning issues or can’t seem to get the intonation right yourself, take your guitar to the shop and have a professional look at it. Pay them whatever they ask lol it’s worth it.
@@YeahButStilll Can confirm, a pro setup is a must. Found a local guy who had been a luthier for a very long time, he was basically the only one left in the area. My guitars don't look like much but they play amazing. Even cheap imports can become serious players. My 15 year old Schecter Omen 6 is probably the best feeling guitar I've ever played.
I think this tuning to the part is less important than having all the instruments be in tune with each other. Some riffs are so dynamic you would be retuning and punching in all day long for a single riff.
A great example of this is Pete Thorn's video on Eddie Van Halen tuning one of his strings slightly sharp or flat (can't recall which) specifically for the chords in the main intro/chorus riff of Runnin with the Devil
For those who says that on Evertune you can't bend - here is my approach. Get to the edge of the zone 3 where the pushing the string will change the note. On any fret hold the string very light, play a note and start to push the string hard. Tune your guitar until the pushing will stop affecting the note. Here you go, the sweet spot. At this moment you will be able to do bends and vibratos and will stay in tune due to regular playing. I find it's way better to understand than - go to zone 3 then little bit back to 2...
Cheers for this. I didn’t know the pros went to this extent but it makes sense, especially when you want that perfect power chord to hit bang on. Is Melodyne able to separate transients from sustains? Or would you need something like Split-EQ?
I’ve always taken the approach that if I’m tuning all my guitars and bass in the same way (sustained note) then it all sort of evens out in a unified way. But I have on a few occasions tuned for a specific part where maybe a guitars intonation wasn’t perfect and it was audibly noticeable higher up the neck.
I always program a midi bass before i start recording anything (even if I’m recording actual bass). I know the midi bass is in tune so as I record guitar, vocals, etc., I make sure everything is in tune with the bass. That way you know you’re good and can add any midi instruments without worry.
I haven't actually measured this, but do you find string gauge makes a difference when it comes to this particular issue? I choose heavier gauges (nothing crazy) for several reasons, but one reason is that I find tuning more consistent, at least for how I play.
If your intonation is right it should. And if you have it set so you can’t do bends, even if you bend the string it will stay perfect. When doing stuff I don’t have to utilize bends I just set it so I can’t do them so I never have to worry.
@@jeremiahculver2776 on the video i think the tuned chords sound way better, was going to pick up an esp 1000 deluxe with an evertune, and if the chords stay in tune its for me, how easy is it to set up to allow you to do bends? is it super fiddly to switch back and forth? Thanks for the reply!
It’s a tiny bit fiddly. Cause when you move within zone two it changes like 10-15cents. But it’s a matter of getting the zone position tweaked, fine tweaking with evertune key, and you’re good. Right where it was in the other zone positioning cause the intonation should remain the same.
Go see your tuner evertune don't get rid of all that problem i got one and even if im in tune with a 7 string ou 8 string the lower note suffer from that too with evertune. Yes its less but not 0
First of all, this phenomenon happens a lot more to down tuned metal stuff, evertune is the ultimate solution. But let me tell you, never do this to bluesy or raw stuff, it will destroy the record. The main tip here in this video is not exactly "tune for the part", it is: learn to listen to pitch and tuning relationships in your orchestrations. What I always do is to set the guitar tuning, then set everything else around it. The bass almost always ends up a little flat in the lowest string, the synths sometimes a little sharp and vocals tuned to the part if desired.
At this point why not just switch to keytar, or better yet, a keytar laid on its back that you can put on a stand or a desk... sort of like a digital piano or synth? Trying to artificially take away all of the imperfections inherit to these instruments defeats the purpose of us imperfect humans playing the instruments in the first place. I can see the merit for things like modern pop music where in most cases the guitar is not featured, and is merely used as an accompanying instrument to an otherwise orchestra of digital instruments and tools, but in any guitar-centered production, just let the imperfections be. Those imperfections make things better musically, not less.
You say that, but when guitars with variable tunings clash with vocals that are autotuned and synths that are equal temperament, it sounds like a mess. You compose for the ideal end product, we already edit guitars and drums to death so that they’re perfectly in time. Having a “natural feel” might be something one can get away with live, as the reverbs, echoes and absorptions of the space mask imperfection, but recordings don’t lie
@@maxalaintwo3578 You didn't fully read or didn't fully comprehend what I wrote then, because I clearly stated that there was merit for this tuning process in non-guitar-centric music, where guitar was merely an accompanying instrument to an otherwise "digital orchestra", but that otherwise, (meaning guitar-centric music), I think it lacks merit for the reasons I stated above.
@@BasketballHellMember metal is guitar-centric music and it still needs this practice. I know exactly what you’re saying man, but I’m afraid I disagree
Блин, как ты это делаешь? Только сегодня вот попробовал кинуть автотюн первым в чейне на DI гиторки, поставил "инструмент" в типе голоса, и он криво все равно тюнит как-то. Все разы что я пробовал раньше тоже не получалось
@@zlodr9369 ПРОшка с 22-го, кажется. У меня всегда только чуть больше половины нормально ловит и втюнивает, остальное как-то рандомно. Это я кстати если что про сингл ноты говорю - аккорды и квинты автотюн не понимает, естественно
Though not for everyone or every situation, Evertune is a cheat code for this concept. It taught me to notice and be aware of transient tuning variation. Now it drives me crazy but is worth the time on standard bridges to get it right. Great vid!
Evertune is one of the things that we did not deserve but clearly needed.
That was EYE OPENING! Thank you for this concept!
I agree 100%! If you‘re serious about your recordings, you will want to check the tuning a lot. Or get a guitar with Evertune ❤️
Random question, do you guys plan on doing a mix ready preset pack for the new GGD Brutal using stock plugins for Studio One anytime soon?? 🤔
The simplest thing would be a working Smash&Grab compressor, but you'd rather not fix it and sell it anyway, even though it has none of its core functions lol
For those who don't know: At least on macOS, the different modes for kick, snare etc don't work because they all have the same settings.
About a year ago it was said in the Facebook group that there would be a fix. Turns out there still isn't a fix and they are still selling the non-functioning plugin for $100. Well done...
Keep an eye out in the next couple of days!
Glad someone said this. I've been eyeing it for a long time but waiting for it to go on sale but drumforge seems to have the same thing.
Reading this comment after they released the patch confused me for a second lmao
As far as I like the tip and what not, It's such a sly brilliant way to promote hot GGD products and affiliate.
Rock on GGD!
I wouldn't say that chopping up the performance and changing the tuning for each chord or riff is "easy". It's more tedious and surgical, and kinda takes the fun out of recording. Sure, it sounds more in tune, but does it actually matter? If your guitar is intonated, it's in tune, and you play it well, then people won't know or care that some notes are slightly out of tune, because that's what guitars sound like and we've heard them that way since their inception. We accept that our tuning system is imperfect. And I believe that you can still make a clean, modern production without trying to perfect the performances, it's not just for raw, noisy styles.
If you want your metal music to sound like MIDI, then go for it, but it's not easy and at least from my point of view, is undesirable.
I am all for modern productions. But keep the human element alive
My thoughts exactly. In general, perfect is boring.
I don’t think perfect tuning is boring or that it removes the human element, I just have never heard of any producers record guitar that way. I’m sure they’re out there but I’d bet less than 1% of records I listen to are tuned chord by chord and I’ve never noticed a guitar being out of tune (on a professional release).
What’s important is having a decent guitar that’s properly set up, intonated, and doesn’t fall out of tune every five seconds. If you’re having tuning issues or can’t seem to get the intonation right yourself, take your guitar to the shop and have a professional look at it. Pay them whatever they ask lol it’s worth it.
@@YeahButStilll Can confirm, a pro setup is a must. Found a local guy who had been a luthier for a very long time, he was basically the only one left in the area. My guitars don't look like much but they play amazing. Even cheap imports can become serious players. My 15 year old Schecter Omen 6 is probably the best feeling guitar I've ever played.
@@YeahButStilll Being silly here but Mutt Lange did shit like that on parts of Def Leppard's stuff. Recording chords one string at a time even lol
I think this tuning to the part is less important than having all the instruments be in tune with each other. Some riffs are so dynamic you would be retuning and punching in all day long for a single riff.
True, but this starts to fall apart when introducing synths or tuned vocals!
Brilliant Joe thanks for this!
A great example of this is Pete Thorn's video on Eddie Van Halen tuning one of his strings slightly sharp or flat (can't recall which) specifically for the chords in the main intro/chorus riff of Runnin with the Devil
Congrats a lot of RUclips appear after yours to explain your tuning point. What a shame. Nice, GGD definitely best advices and tuto channel
Brilliant! Will definitely be trying this out , thanks Joe 🙏
Ps 8:53 handles on cups are overrated 😅
For those who says that on Evertune you can't bend - here is my approach.
Get to the edge of the zone 3 where the pushing the string will change the note. On any fret hold the string very light, play a note and start to push the string hard. Tune your guitar until the pushing will stop affecting the note. Here you go, the sweet spot. At this moment you will be able to do bends and vibratos and will stay in tune due to regular playing. I find it's way better to understand than - go to zone 3 then little bit back to 2...
Thank you Joe 🙏🍞
Cheers for this. I didn’t know the pros went to this extent but it makes sense, especially when you want that perfect power chord to hit bang on. Is Melodyne able to separate transients from sustains? Or would you need something like Split-EQ?
I’ve always taken the approach that if I’m tuning all my guitars and bass in the same way (sustained note) then it all sort of evens out in a unified way. But I have on a few occasions tuned for a specific part where maybe a guitars intonation wasn’t perfect and it was audibly noticeable higher up the neck.
This is very true but starts to get difficult if you start adding in things like synthesisers or tuned vocals!
I always program a midi bass before i start recording anything (even if I’m recording actual bass). I know the midi bass is in tune so as I record guitar, vocals, etc., I make sure everything is in tune with the bass. That way you know you’re good and can add any midi instruments without worry.
I haven't actually measured this, but do you find string gauge makes a difference when it comes to this particular issue? I choose heavier gauges (nothing crazy) for several reasons, but one reason is that I find tuning more consistent, at least for how I play.
nice information btw
moral of this video
always check in tune, take care of your string guitar, and set up your guitar bridge saddle.
does an ever-tune hold the note when in chord position too so no need to tune the chord? or does it go sharp too and only hold the open note tuning?
If your intonation is right it should. And if you have it set so you can’t do bends, even if you bend the string it will stay perfect. When doing stuff I don’t have to utilize bends I just set it so I can’t do them so I never have to worry.
@@jeremiahculver2776 on the video i think the tuned chords sound way better, was going to pick up an esp 1000 deluxe with an evertune, and if the chords stay in tune its for me, how easy is it to set up to allow you to do bends? is it super fiddly to switch back and forth? Thanks for the reply!
It’s a tiny bit fiddly. Cause when you move within zone two it changes like 10-15cents. But it’s a matter of getting the zone position tweaked, fine tweaking with evertune key, and you’re good. Right where it was in the other zone positioning cause the intonation should remain the same.
*Laughs in evertune bridge*
I’m almost annoyed that the chord-by-chord tuning sounds a lot better.. because I KNOW I won’t be doing that
That’s why i have an evertune
Go see your tuner evertune don't get rid of all that problem i got one and even if im in tune with a 7 string ou 8 string the lower note suffer from that too with evertune. Yes its less but not 0
Guitar from '06 with a Floyd Rose tremolo system... It's so over...
I cannot be bothered to do this, I got an Evertune in 2018 and I never went back
First of all, this phenomenon happens a lot more to down tuned metal stuff, evertune is the ultimate solution. But let me tell you, never do this to bluesy or raw stuff, it will destroy the record. The main tip here in this video is not exactly "tune for the part", it is: learn to listen to pitch and tuning relationships in your orchestrations. What I always do is to set the guitar tuning, then set everything else around it. The bass almost always ends up a little flat in the lowest string, the synths sometimes a little sharp and vocals tuned to the part if desired.
Jokes on you I am using a midi guitar as well!
I’d take a slightly out of tune guitar over a perfectly tuned midi guitar every day
@@YeahButStilll ok
Lol same. One day I’ll learn guitar when I have the money to get one 😭
@@maxalaintwo3578 I have a guitar. I use midi because it helps me write ideas faster. We can have both real and midi, no need to compromise!
At this point why not just switch to keytar, or better yet, a keytar laid on its back that you can put on a stand or a desk... sort of like a digital piano or synth? Trying to artificially take away all of the imperfections inherit to these instruments defeats the purpose of us imperfect humans playing the instruments in the first place. I can see the merit for things like modern pop music where in most cases the guitar is not featured, and is merely used as an accompanying instrument to an otherwise orchestra of digital instruments and tools, but in any guitar-centered production, just let the imperfections be. Those imperfections make things better musically, not less.
You say that, but when guitars with variable tunings clash with vocals that are autotuned and synths that are equal temperament, it sounds like a mess. You compose for the ideal end product, we already edit guitars and drums to death so that they’re perfectly in time. Having a “natural feel” might be something one can get away with live, as the reverbs, echoes and absorptions of the space mask imperfection, but recordings don’t lie
@@maxalaintwo3578 You didn't fully read or didn't fully comprehend what I wrote then, because I clearly stated that there was merit for this tuning process in non-guitar-centric music, where guitar was merely an accompanying instrument to an otherwise "digital orchestra", but that otherwise, (meaning guitar-centric music), I think it lacks merit for the reasons I stated above.
@@BasketballHellMember metal is guitar-centric music and it still needs this practice. I know exactly what you’re saying man, but I’m afraid I disagree
100% invest in evertune to stop messing around with tunings
Я борюсь с этой проблемой обычным автотюном(благо мелодайн аккорды тоже считывает), меньше времени тратишь, чем постоянная подстройка
Блин, как ты это делаешь? Только сегодня вот попробовал кинуть автотюн первым в чейне на DI гиторки, поставил "инструмент" в типе голоса, и он криво все равно тюнит как-то. Все разы что я пробовал раньше тоже не получалось
@@sadoromi а у тебя свежая версия ?
@@zlodr9369 ПРОшка с 22-го, кажется. У меня всегда только чуть больше половины нормально ловит и втюнивает, остальное как-то рандомно. Это я кстати если что про сингл ноты говорю - аккорды и квинты автотюн не понимает, естественно
Using melodyne is definitely an option but will inevitably leave artefacts!
Punching in? No way. Lose all the tonewood bro. Don’t even tune your guitar period
At this point, it's no longer a performance... just record it and melodyne where necessary
I think it depends on your desired end result! If you're going for a more natural sound, as I stated in the video, then maybe not a good idea!
And then people will wonder why it sound so shit live. Or I’m I wrong?
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