The Only Rengar Guide YOU Need to Climb to Challenger In Season 13 | League of Legends

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  • @Mo11usq
    @Mo11usq Год назад +277

    Such a well made video, clearly a huge amount of time and love went into it. Respect!

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +30

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @Alex_Page
      @Alex_Page 4 месяца назад

      Seconded!

  • @evann0809
    @evann0809 Год назад +30

    Seriously such a wealth of information you've so eloquently put together, and youve given it out for free on top of that. Really respect the effort you put into this guide, its super informative and clearly speaks to all your experience you have playing this game and this champ. Love that you touched on the mental aspect of climbing, it applies to so much more than just ingame and in league as well. Thank you!

  • @Hvelcar
    @Hvelcar 7 месяцев назад +7

    bruh, i really, REALLY apreciate this guide, nowadays most people just stream playing rengar, record the stream and upload it with a clickbaity title that goes like: rengar full guide, and i doesnt even talk about rengar, it talks about everything else but rengar and i hate that xd, that why i jreally apreciate that you took the time to make a good and useful guide, thanks a lot (english is not my native language, sorry my misspelling xd)

  • @2pointSummer
    @2pointSummer Год назад +11

    this was an incredible guide, so much useful information that apply to every other jungler as well. I'm a Shaco otp and was thinking about picking Rengar up, and not only did you help me get Rengar started, but I also improved my Shaco games a ton because of it. such a well made video, that's a sub from me

  • @action0bunny01
    @action0bunny01 Год назад +7

    At 0:37 you can see his challenger account is in the "Rengar's Swashbucklers" ranked bracket. That's so rare to get your main actually, such a cool little flex imo

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +3

      i didnt even notice, thats actually so good

  • @dalton3854
    @dalton3854 Год назад +10

    Thank you for this vid, i'm a midlaner turned jungler this season, and really decided to focus on rengar, been struggling a bit but you put a lot of things into perspective I was able to turn the game into my favor early on after watching this vid!

  • @Leo-hb7mv
    @Leo-hb7mv Год назад +2

    This is literally the best champion guide I've ever seen, it is so complete and well done it's not just you stomping on low elos while slightly talking about what you're doing in the game like a lot of guides on RUclips.
    I'm a bronze Kayn main and I really want to get good at Rengar because I love the champion, he's hard so the road will be long but I can do it, and with this video it will be even more easier. So thank you for that really great guide !

    • @confused.5452
      @confused.5452 Год назад +1

      i was gold when i started tu play rengar now i am d1 gl for the grind

  • @wojtekg6595
    @wojtekg6595 Год назад +1

    9:29 when a quality 4 item appears

  • @senpainextdoor3702
    @senpainextdoor3702 Год назад +1

    Thank you very much! I will try to absorb all the information and improve. The most important thing that I took from the video is the right message of the approach to the game! You helped a lot!

  • @SaA-cu7lw
    @SaA-cu7lw Год назад +2

    Seriously speaking this is the best full guide for a champ i’ve seen , thank you 👍🏽

  • @kevthemaelstrom
    @kevthemaelstrom Год назад +4

    Didn't get through the whole video yet so excuse me if these two things are mentioned later.
    #1 Q attack speed for the second auto does NOT get consumed if you leap after hitting a Q, so you are able to get two autos (Q,leap,AA) off with the enhanced attack speed rather than just one. Useful for clearing or extended early fights in/around bushes where one extra auto can make all the difference.
    #2 Rengar's AA timer starts upon leaping, rather than when the leap AA connects. Max range leap thus makes your AA after leap come out "faster"
    So at slightly higher attack speed it is quite fast to add a second auto after leap before resetting with Q.
    At high enough attack speeds (around ~1.8 or so, need to check exact numbers) which is easily reachable with emp Q/lethal tempo/items/whatever,
    upon leaping you will have both leap damage and AA damage happen simultaneously. You do have to make sure to wait for that to go off rather than Qing and cancelling it preemptively.
    Doesn't sound like much but every little bit of damage helps in close fights, where one auto is all it takes to make a difference.

  • @flyingsquirrel1486
    @flyingsquirrel1486 Год назад +4

    insane guide dude, thank you so much this was so helpful. multiseasonal advice, I like that it informed about s13, but there's so much game knowledge and general rengar information that it will be applicable for a long time. Even if meta/game changes happen

  • @evyyru
    @evyyru Год назад +16

    thanks to that guide I can now be a happy and ferocious kitten in the jungle in master elo !!

    • @taurusking_1997
      @taurusking_1997 Год назад +2

      You can be a happy and ferocious kitten elsewhere too 😏

    • @himek6320
      @himek6320 Год назад

      @@taurusking_1997 💀

  • @tsubasatobisawa6851
    @tsubasatobisawa6851 Год назад +12

    Such a detailed guide that basically covers every single aspect of the game! A short question regarding the recent meta change, do u still go death dance or mal after they both get nerfed?

    • @jotarokujo1189
      @jotarokujo1189 Год назад

      I know this was 6 months ago but yeah, they are still the only viable survivability items on rengar. Otherwise you just die if you get cced.

  • @nectitur
    @nectitur Год назад +1

    Absolutely amazing vid not only just for a person starting out in LoL, but some very respectable lessons especially at the end.

  • @amrobahja8539
    @amrobahja8539 Год назад +2

    The best rengar vid so far, thanks a lot man❤

  • @jacobsthird
    @jacobsthird Год назад +1

    really well made vid man! thanks a bunch! nice music, really informative.
    I would add something to your thumbnail to really emphasize that this in an in depth guide, and not just another vod review, because the vid is 40 minutes, and I honestly thought it was going to be another bait fake guide. but turns out it was really good! you might get more recognition if the title and thumbnail clue you in more to know its a really in depth guide. there are so many fake clickbait "guides" and it is sad this great vid might blend in with them.
    again super good man.

  • @Zarza99
    @Zarza99 Год назад +5

    Really appreciate the video pusi, this has helped me a lot even for non rengar games

  • @jfwjfw5558
    @jfwjfw5558 Год назад +3

    good guide pusi, i rly liked the detailed macro guide and your thoughts about win conditions

  • @iJustRengar
    @iJustRengar Год назад +1

    This is a great guide man! Well done! :)

  • @marksimon-jojart1074
    @marksimon-jojart1074 Год назад +4

    this is such high quality content man thx for the work u and ur editor put into the vids.

  • @R4isiS
    @R4isiS Год назад +2

    this is the best rengar guide i have ever seen i hope that everyone who wants to start playing rengar will find this video.

  • @mosesk8138
    @mosesk8138 Год назад +6

    Danke für das ausführliche Video. Wünsche dir viel Erfolg in der Season und viel mehr Reichweite :*

  • @lekdo1285
    @lekdo1285 Год назад +1

    I don't play League but the Mindset part can be applied in a lot of other games and i found it really truthful, great video overall !

  • @whyjaycry9390
    @whyjaycry9390 Год назад +3

    Muchas gracias por esta guiaaaa, la parte final del mindset realmente era algo que necesitaba escuchar, te quiero mucho pusi puu

  • @stinna3000
    @stinna3000 Год назад

    Actual well constructed guide video! Instead of just copying a guide and telling us about it, you explain things further and it helps

  • @ryzeonline
    @ryzeonline Год назад

    This was amazing, I love how you covered matchups and invades! Thank you!

  • @jamiemason2930
    @jamiemason2930 Год назад +1

    New to league completely and rengar is gonna be my first proper main, I’ve already gone from iron2 to top of bronze 4 (with +17 -27) but I am getting better, watched this video and am gonna start playing more games now to try and make it

  • @Vochocanelistico
    @Vochocanelistico Год назад +1

    You give me hope to play one of the HARDEST champs in the hole game, I really hope your channel grows and hits every sub goal that comes to your mind.

  • @maltele2
    @maltele2 Год назад +41

    greatest goat of all time

    • @kristofkelemen721
      @kristofkelemen721 Год назад +6

      I don't think Rengar is a goat, in fact I'm pretty sure it is a different animal

    • @vi5692
      @vi5692 Год назад +1

      @@kristofkelemen721 fairly certain he is, in fact, not part of the Bovidae family…canine, perhaps?

    • @Polten
      @Polten Год назад

      GGOAT

    • @sldihain7909
      @sldihain7909 Год назад

      Cat

  • @whatszeus1776
    @whatszeus1776 Год назад +1

    Thx for this Guide

  • @Lorianv9
    @Lorianv9 Год назад +2

    Thank you so much for sharing your game knowledge with us pusi and thanks for talking about mindset you are completely right, i was master s12 and demoted to dia bcs i tilt fast and flame alot and get banned over and over and stuck in diamond bcs of it but i think i have different mindset now bcs of what u said
    my goal is to get grandmaster this season and you just gave me more than what i needed for it by making this guide. Much appriciated and i wish u the best man 🖤🖤

  • @Caste324
    @Caste324 Год назад

    Amazing video. Best content out there. 🤘🏽

  • @blank2541
    @blank2541 Год назад

    This is getting me into rengar. Thanks man

  • @laresdarnstedt9356
    @laresdarnstedt9356 Год назад +1

    very nice video, it helps alot, but i enjoyed the little voicecrack at 32.59 the most haha

  • @Mzyzz222
    @Mzyzz222 Год назад +1

    What do you think about conq on rengar

  • @malimarko3751
    @malimarko3751 Год назад +1

    I tried rengar.... Fckn great champ. If you can get ahead they can`t stop you with W heal. Tenx for the content 👍

  • @flawlesszew
    @flawlesszew Год назад +1

    so much effort in just one video , thank you for sharin` this video man , well done

  • @lawlessofarabia
    @lawlessofarabia 9 месяцев назад

    23:00, wouldnt it make sense to save the second smite against a fast clearing enemy jungle to contest scuttle (if you know they're going to)?

  • @Bryan-mo1kq
    @Bryan-mo1kq 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for the guide it helped me a lot keep going on man

  • @Nuuukiie
    @Nuuukiie Год назад +1

    *Thx for the guide, i want to main rengar but my rangar is very sucks, that guide will help me a lot :D*

  • @TheSadasar
    @TheSadasar Год назад +1

    Amazing video thank you. streams are always a fun time as well. one question i would have is do you ever still like going ghost blade into certain comps or champs.

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +1

      i go ghostblade if im really really fed early game and i wanr to snowball the game asap.

  • @wickedlezter
    @wickedlezter Год назад +1

    Very well done video, I'm excited to dive into some Rengar gaming!

  • @yorufgc
    @yorufgc Год назад

    Absolutely 10/10 guide, as a new jungler and a rengar wannabe this is supet useful

  • @Huksteal
    @Huksteal Год назад +1

    thoughts about black cleaver this season? Eclipse > BC > Crit?

  • @matiaskulczewski474
    @matiaskulczewski474 Год назад

    what a nice guide man, you really nailed it

  • @clight1557
    @clight1557 Год назад

    Recently fell in love with rengar, this helped me with the game in general let alone rengar thanks my guy 🤞🏼🔥

  • @elettroscorpion5208
    @elettroscorpion5208 Год назад +1

    amazing editing in this video well done. clear and easy to understand. 🔥

  • @codelinx
    @codelinx Год назад

    This is wild. Such a good guide

  • @DraxTheDestroyer
    @DraxTheDestroyer Год назад +1

    I trust you brother, I will practice everything in this video because I really want to climb out of silver, it is extremely hard to not see teammates' mistakes in this rank but I will do my very best to focus on my own.

    • @Nick5k5
      @Nick5k5 Год назад +1

      I highly recommend sticking to a strict regimen of ALWAYS watching your game back - this is how I got from silver to gold. You will easily be able to see when you are taking red that you should have gone top instead of krugs, or mid instead of raptors or wolves.

  • @echsu5191
    @echsu5191 Год назад

    great video man, watch ur twitch alot and wasnt aware i hadnt subbed on yt :)

  • @sebastianritter9256
    @sebastianritter9256 Год назад

    Great guide and nice content!

  • @snown7755
    @snown7755 Год назад +1

    Very Well done video covers everything thanks for the video

  • @2nightwehunt
    @2nightwehunt Год назад +2

    What do you think about going tempo with the eclipse build? I find it great!

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +1

      the eclipse build is so expensive, id rather go first strike to get your items faster

  • @CryptoClass
    @CryptoClass Год назад +1

    Brother. Your content is great. You’re one of my new favorite league content creator.

  • @eninja8152
    @eninja8152 Год назад

    1:20 bro fr hit me with an optical illusion right off the bat.... I'm all dizzy now

  • @volvix4521
    @volvix4521 Год назад +3

    The guide is very well made. I wish you state every little detail for beginner people. Like "Squishy team" means two squishy? or 3+ squishy? Or Import codes for items on the Mobafire guide etc. Thank you for the guide!
    Edit: You didn't mention Spear of Shojin, Goredrinker, and other items you mentioned in your Mobafire guide; why?

    • @volvix4521
      @volvix4521 Год назад +2

      Well, in case anyone wants to import an item set for Rengar, this is what I made for myself. Enjoy!
      {"title":"Pusi Puu Rengar","associatedMaps":[12,11],"associatedChampions":[107],"blocks":[{"items":[{"id":"1102","count":1},{"id":"2003","count":1},{"id":"3340","count":1},{"id":"3364","count":1},{"id":"2055","count":1},{"id":"3134","count":1}],"type":"Starting Items"},{"items":[{"id":"3158","count":1},{"id":"3047","count":1},{"id":"3111","count":1}],"type":"Boots after 1st or 2nd Item"},{"items":[{"id":"6691","count":1},{"id":"3508","count":1},{"id":"3031","count":1},{"id":"3036","count":1},{"id":"3814","count":1},{"id":"6333","count":1},{"id":"3072","count":1},{"id":"2140","count":1}],"type":"vs 3 or more Squishy (IE LDR) (EoN is optional)"},{"items":[{"id":"6692","count":1},{"id":"3074","count":1},{"id":"3508","count":1},{"id":"3036","count":1},{"id":"3031","count":1},{"id":"6333","count":1},{"id":"2140","count":1},{"id":"2138","count":1}],"type":"vs Tanky Comps"},{"items":[{"id":"3156","count":1},{"id":"6333","count":1},{"id":"6695","count":1},{"id":"3814","count":1}],"type":"Optional for 3rd Item"},{"items":[{"id":"6632","count":1},{"id":"6333","count":1},{"id":"3156","count":1},{"id":"3074","count":1},{"id":"3071","count":1},{"id":"3026","count":1},{"id":"2140","count":1},{"id":"2138","count":1}],"type":"vs VERY Tanky Comps (DD Maw)"}]}

  • @baliciyimteqo
    @baliciyimteqo Год назад

    You earned new sub bro, very good video

  • @felixbermudez3782
    @felixbermudez3782 Год назад

    Recently ended up in a game where someone was getting boosted. Rengar popped off so hard here I am learning a new main xD

  • @yasserblidi9729
    @yasserblidi9729 Год назад +6

    Very well made vid. Goes into what to build and what to do, even explains the why and the how. I started playing rengar because of your vids. Most of my games are infests, here's hoping this helps me improve. Thx fir all the effort you clearly put into this.

    • @glub3y
      @glub3y Год назад

      Have you improved?

    • @yasserblidi9729
      @yasserblidi9729 Год назад

      @Glube I mean. I've inted a bit less? My difficulty with rengar is his situational engage for an assassin. No bush no ult no engage. And again his engage is a 100% thing. You go in and it is hard to go back out. I can take care of a priority target just fine, but I will most likely die afterwards.

    • @Nick5k5
      @Nick5k5 Год назад

      Highly recommend re-assessing your early game for this so it never gets to teamfights. But in teamfights - yah it comes down to jumping on the right target at the right time. But based on his advice, if you ulti and don't see a clear win in a teamfight, just go farm a side lane. I wave = 125-200 gold, that's 1/3'd a kill and more XP. So my advice, if you find yourself dieing in a teamfight, ward baron, push top, back when you get countered, push bot (while your ward is still up) and if they go baron, just end the game bot. :P@@yasserblidi9729

  • @pastantes
    @pastantes Год назад +1

    this video is clean af

  • @DogIQWoofWoof
    @DogIQWoofWoof Год назад +1

    I knew like 80% of the things you said but then you said something about mindset and thats pretty difficult for me tbh. I don't know how to fix it man.
    Also; good video man didn't expect 40 minutes to pass by so fast. keep it up

  • @necr0kam1dr3adscythe
    @necr0kam1dr3adscythe Год назад +1

    Dumb question. I use conqueror because i am a bit bad at Rengar again and scrub noob said that this keyrune is good for beginners. Did you support this or should i really always use First strine or electrocute?

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад

      if youre a bad rengar player you wont make good use of conquerer since it only gives full value if you know how to proc it and stall out fights. Id say go always first strike or electrocute its objectivle better.

    • @necr0kam1dr3adscythe
      @necr0kam1dr3adscythe Год назад

      @@PusiPuu alright thanks.

  • @oDidaQiZ
    @oDidaQiZ Год назад +1

    In the first clear, does it really matter if u jump on the buff (lvl 1) from the bush after you already started it (besides when at 0 stacks to get an extra)? Is there an actual benefit to jumping from the bush timewise if u don't get a stack from the jump?

  • @dzelezny
    @dzelezny Год назад +1

    really awesome vid, i know who my next twitch sub is going to :)

  • @Akali_Amos
    @Akali_Amos Год назад

    Good video man, thank you!

  • @Freeslaughter4
    @Freeslaughter4 Год назад

    Amazing guide man! I wanted to ask, what do you think about rushing or just taking Youmuu's Ghostblade in general? I've seen some other rengar players recommend it.

  • @Mavrextv
    @Mavrextv Год назад +6

    Great guide! Silver 2 rn, one thing I really struggle with is the midgame where there's no objectives spawning soon and most t2's are down + the enemies are grouping. It feels like there's nothing to do especially when my team won't group to push down towers or force fights because if I sidelane then the whole team collapses on me and my team doesn't push the other side of the map at all. I've lost too many games that I was very ahead because of this. Thoughts?

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +4

      you have to play side and absorb pressure, if they rotate for you, you either get a pick with your ultimate or your team pushes on the other side. Some games they don't but most games they will and thats how you win when you are ahead. And make sure to go for every objective instantly

    • @Mavrextv
      @Mavrextv Год назад +2

      @@PusiPuu Thanks Pusi, you're the goat 💪

  • @Lucyfer619
    @Lucyfer619 Год назад

    Lovely content, thank you very much!

  • @Articous
    @Articous Год назад

    what build should i go after this new patch? im rushing ghostblade and then building axiom arc edge of night and im wondering if i should buy duskblade or ghostblade

  • @Nahuuma123
    @Nahuuma123 Год назад +1

    Me tuve que ver el vídeo con subtítulos de yt y entendí muchas cosas, muchas gracias!

  • @SoundPeaks
    @SoundPeaks Год назад

    Hi, thanks a lot!
    red scanner or yellow ward for bronze elo?

  • @joshualevy8766
    @joshualevy8766 Год назад +4

    Best guide, useful not just for rengar but s13 jg in general

  • @matejacrnoglavac3767
    @matejacrnoglavac3767 Год назад +2

    What are the jungle matchups where rengar loses 1v1 when invading ?

    • @tomaskubanek4290
      @tomaskubanek4290 Год назад +1

      I find Elise able to contest rengar very well, reksai, yi(ignite), warwick

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +2

      bel‘veth, olaf, trundle, warwick, wukong, rammus

    • @matejacrnoglavac3767
      @matejacrnoglavac3767 Год назад

      @@PusiPuu thx

  • @drogoz9334
    @drogoz9334 Год назад

    For the first time I watched a guide till the end, really enjoyed watching it and now I’m thinking of learning jg instead of playing adc

  • @samfahwehinmi270
    @samfahwehinmi270 Год назад +1

    very nice video, u mention everything thanks for your time and knowledge

  • @eliell2
    @eliell2 Год назад

    Awesome guide!

  • @MacHoangThien.20.06
    @MacHoangThien.20.06 Год назад

    Such a well made vid bro, this remind so much about where the real strength of Rengar was. ❤ Hope more great vid cont.

  • @kozuma2510
    @kozuma2510 Год назад +1

    Damn the guide is finally here !

  • @julius4403
    @julius4403 Год назад +1

    With the eclipse build would you still start Dirk + Tiamat most of the time or finish eclipse first, due to the shield buffs?

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +1

      always finish eclipse first, tiamat is too bad of an item to have it in the inventory without instantly finishing it to hydra

    • @julius4403
      @julius4403 Год назад

      @@PusiPuu thank you sagt Rengarotpderechte

  • @adriancervenka7682
    @adriancervenka7682 5 месяцев назад

    Also if you leap from the bush at max range you will auto attack them faster cuz your timer starts mid jump. So if you wanna maximize damage you leap AA AA cancel with Q and then play from there.

  • @mauro262
    @mauro262 Год назад

    Can i apply all this information on rengar top too?

  • @VanitasYoutube
    @VanitasYoutube Год назад

    Thank you for this guide, aready see two times to absorb all information rofl.
    Any build update since 13.12 / 13.13?
    Seeing alot of rengar buinding Youmuu's Ghostblade on first item.

  • @zedzempai123
    @zedzempai123 Год назад

    Helo pusi, how do you recommend playing rengar ivern? Bruiser rengar every game so you can live longer with ivern? Or go crit sometimes?

    • @cosmicreaverkassadin827
      @cosmicreaverkassadin827 Год назад

      I think he would say „adapt to the enemy team“, if you can simply oneshot all of them i dont see a reason to go tanky.
      Also I believe that against some champs its really good to go crit since you are doomed if they survive your burst.

  • @morningmonkey
    @morningmonkey Год назад

    great video, really like your attitude

  • @mihajlomirkovic-r7j
    @mihajlomirkovic-r7j 9 месяцев назад

    Will you do guide for season 14?

  • @AbelMusa
    @AbelMusa Год назад

    Fantastic guide

  • @marcusscribner1603
    @marcusscribner1603 Год назад

    Been waiting for this

  • @stranger2035
    @stranger2035 Год назад

    are this build/runes still viable?

  • @eduardoproenca3945
    @eduardoproenca3945 Год назад

    I’m a OTP Rengar from Brazil and I wish all the best for you channel , amazing content

  • @ericzache3636
    @ericzache3636 Год назад

    This is a must rewatch

  • @roastingfamily8916
    @roastingfamily8916 Год назад

    Ahh well there’s one thing i want to ask if we play rengar top what runes should we pick since there some matchups like jax and olaf which can burst u if u go for extended fights so any thoughts on that plz

    • @cosmicreaverkassadin827
      @cosmicreaverkassadin827 Год назад

      I think that it depends on the Elo, the playstyle and the champions your team and the enemies picked.
      If they go for Olaf and an entire oneshottable team i would go for first strike rune with normal items and depending on the Stilllevel and items of the Olaf either kill him since he doesnt have a lot of health or just play safe if he is too tanky.
      Against Jax with a tankier team i would go conq and at least in low elo it should be a free matchup too.

  • @addacio6746
    @addacio6746 Год назад +1

    What do you think about going Kraken into IE right now? Not that bad build path because Noonquiver gives you additional damage against monsters :3

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +3

      any mythic item that doesnt give you lethality is very bad, you preferably dont want to autoattack alot

  • @Lydextian
    @Lydextian Год назад

    Thank you so much!

  • @ktpc1234
    @ktpc1234 Год назад

    Hello! Is Rengar can play AP one shot build?

  • @oleksandrhrebeniuk2676
    @oleksandrhrebeniuk2676 Год назад +1

    Nice mindset. Works in real life too 😉

  • @free0483
    @free0483 Год назад

    thats very helpful thank u

  • @mxnu77
    @mxnu77 Год назад

    Finally, I've been waiting for a video like this from the goat Pusi Puu🔥🐐

  • @TechnoWolfde
    @TechnoWolfde Год назад

    Richtig geiles video,
    war davor immer pisslow dogshit auf Rengar und seit dem video spiel ich vieeel besser.
    Sehr gut erklärt und hat mir noch vieles beigebracht (d3 peak euw)

  • @pekneno
    @pekneno Год назад +1

    Isnt it better to smite the gromp on level two instead of the blue, to make gromp walk to you? I mean it propably doesnt save up that much time, but still might add up

    • @PusiPuu
      @PusiPuu  Год назад +2

      not really, smiting blue is heallthier and faster since you get lvl 2 faster