Demand for Hybrids Passes EVs; India Cuts Import Taxes to Lure Tesla - Autoline Daily 3770
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Autoline reports breaking global car news, with great insight and analysis. Also, top auto executive interviews. We cover electric vehicles (EV), autonomous vechicles (AV) and internal combustion engine technology (ICE), as well as car sales & financial earnings snd new car reviews.
0:00 U.S. Hybrid Sales Surging
1:24 BMW’s BEV Sales Up 74% Last Year
2:11 CATL Earnings Show Warning Signs
3:21 NTSB Opens Investigation into Ford BlueCruise
4:44 VinFast Expands Automotive Empire
5:50 Xpeng, BYD & Xiaomi Launch New Vehicles in China
7:20 India Cuts EV Import Taxes to Help Lure Tesla
8:19 Negative EV News Not Having an Impact on Consumers
Story Links:
- US Hybrid Sales Up: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
- BMW 2023 EV Sales: www.press.bmwgroup.com/global...
- Warning Signs at CATL: www.reuters.com/breakingviews...
- NTSB Investigating BlueCruise: www.autonews.com/mobility-rep...
- VinFast Founder Starts Own EV Charging Company: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
- XPeng Launching New Entry-Level Brand: autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energ...
- BYD Cuts PHEV Sedan Price: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
- Xiaomi Kicking Off Car Sales: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
- India Cuts EV Import Tariff: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
- AAH With KC Boyce: www.autoline.tv/after-hours/a...
- To read the transcript for today's show click here: www.autoline.tv/daily/ad-3770...
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People are not going to the dealership saying, "I want a hybrid". The increase in sales of hybrids are due to the manufacturer's replacing their normal lineup with hybrids.
No, and i actually make car parts for many makers, including tesla.. you just sell one kind, buddy... just a salesman. People like redundancy, in case one thing like electric isnt around.. you still have the diesel backup... people do this with their homes, buddy. Generac generators are huge now for a reason.. same idea.
@@dertythegrower In the future, generators will be as popular as a Pet Rock.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I think a surgeon replaced your brain with a pet rock.
Ya they are look at any place that compiles demand and interests data.
In Australia it's the opposite - there is a big demand for hybrids and a 2 year waiting list for Toyota Rav4 hybrids, but the dealerships try to sell them a non-hybrid instead.
Hybrid cars are not replacing EVs, as they are not EVs, they are just ICE cars with marginally better mileage and less lag because of the presence of the tiny motor and battery. EVs are not slowing down either, they are rising, their growth rate, that is the rate at which they are rising has slowed down a bit. It will again pick up once the OEMs bring out their more affordable EVs.
Hybrids will dominate the auto sales in the end. The buying trends in the US have already turned towards hybrids. The rest of the world I don't care one bit. They can drive cheap built Tesla's. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In Honda's case, hybrids actually get worse gas mileage: Honda owners hate these things...
Can't wait for used hybrids . Garenteed bad luck.
Hybrids also require the same maintenance as normal ICE. EVs are very low maintenance. In the 32k miles I have had my Tesla I have only changed wiper blades once, filled the wiper fluid 4 times and rotated my tires. I also charge for free at home while I sleep. Can't do that with gas.
Toyota has proven hybrids are an effective bridge to BEV. They enable rapid phaseout of ICE-only vehicles and make choice of PHEV easy... which paves the way for future purchases to be BEV. Think about the ownership encouragement PHEV provide to upgrade homes for level-2 charging. Profit from those hybrid sales are a very effective means of getting dealers to accept change too
The EV industry is in its infancy. Think of this as the 1920's when cars were just coming into the mainstream and there were oodles of manufacturers and a wide range of motive power; gas, steam and even electric--OMG!
Ev's are on a dead end road just as they were in 1920. They have peaked or just about peaked.We won't see any of them still on the roads by 2030.
And man will never fly.@@davewhite113
Can you read, can you say Norway?@@davewhite113
U silly. U need age perspective as I have, this is just the beginning. No one wants ugly Gazzsss cars and DEZELE is dead, dead, deadski.@@davewhite113
@@davewhite113 - Sounds like you've never driven an EV. More power, quieter, cheaper to run, far less maintenance, and all around fun. I don't know why anyone wastes there time with ICE anymore. It will be rare to see new ICE cars sold in 2030, as no one will want ancient technology, high pollution vehicles.
Amen Sean! How many accidents are being prevented or meaningfully downgraded because of these driver assist packages whether from Ford, Tesla or Openpilot like products? And, of course, Tesla's Full Self Driving program.
At this point no car should be able to just plow into a stationary object whether or not the car was in auto pilot, blue cruise, waymo, regular cruise control or manually driven. Given all the sensors and cameras on cars these days I wouldn't think that is too much to ask.
Regulators do not permit the "systems" to have that control. Blame NHTSA.
Considering Windows computers still randomly bluescreen, maybe it is?
They still have a much better driving record than your average driver though. It's the ghost in the shell that spooks people into perception bias.
@@rwdplz1 Restart Finder.
@@rwdplz1Cars run better operating systems than Windows, mostly Linux like everything else in the world that isn't a PC.
Thank you for bringing up the accidents prevented. Last year the Transportation Secretary indicated 320,000 of 400,00 annual deaths could be prevented with automated driving. The 80,000 still needs to be worked we should not wait to save the 320,000.
Those numbers don't make sense. World traffic deaths were > million. US deaths in 2023 when totaled will probably be > 40,000.
Remember, many of the first people who got Tesla Model 3s and Ys were former Prius hybrid drivers. Toyota might wanna rethink their hybrid strategy, it's not the end all be all, it's actually the gateway drug to full EV.
lol ev is gateway drug to all ice.
@@billybobbob3003It is not 1900 anymore.
Buy a Tesla, get a free bag of Special K!
@@georgepelton5645 ya its not the 1800s anymore nobody wants out of dated electric vehicles were predate the internal combustion engine vehicle.
Yep:
"People forget how the horse carriage industry went down:
They had no room for further innovation, technology was at a dead end, while the replacement was just starting to scale.
EVs are about to destroy ICE in cost, that's checkmate.
Will people still buy ICE and Hybrid cars when they end up paying a premium for an inferior product in a few years, and while more gas stations continue to go out of business around them?
Generally not, much like not many beside the Amish ride horse carriages today.
And then it gets even harder when factoring in the move to smart cars, much like iPhone disrupted a Nokia market."
It’s funny now demand for hybrids surpass ev’s. If Toyota grew some … years ago and started selling all their smaller cars as “hybrid only” this would be old news. 2024 is the first year the Camry is now hybrid only. Makes sense when you flood the market….. I’m still upset on why we didn’t get a Tacoma hybrid years ago…. I love Toyota owned many of them. Now I have a Model Y….
I think Toyota has the perfect timeing!
Wait only one more year, and see how Toyota is doing finantialy. They will never learn how to make a reliable ev vehicle. The BZ series was a total flop in the market.@@brunoheggli2888
A lot of former Toyota buyers are now Tesla buyers.
And with Tesla having such high brand loyalty, it seems likely they will stay Tesla buyers.
Funny thing is that my Rav4 hybrid is what pushed me to buy an EV that ended up being a Tesla. The smooth acceleration and handling of the hybrid made me see the benefits of an EV beyond the fuel cost savings.
Toyota still won't "flood" the market. Waaay more than 90% of Toyotas produced ain't hybrid. Hybred? Hey Brad, Hi Chad!
Really? Are you saying that after hearing a drumbeat message for the last 40 years from Houston and Detroit that EV"s are bad that they aren't buying them? REALLY? FFS!
Truth never is dumb
Your failure to distinguish between hybrids and phevs leaves us in darkness.
Hybrids combine the complexity of gasoline fossil fuels and electrical power propulsion. Advances in battery technology and dramatically lower prices have made hybrids obsolete.
Great report
Thanks
More propaganda from legacy automakers & dealerships. Look at Toyota for example and how weak they made the gas engine in the corolla since 2020. Consumers will naturally buy the hybrids for not that much more and thus Toyota can brag about the uptick in "demand". Same with the Range Rover sport. Engine was going to be underpowered due to emissions so they give a hybrid and then brag about the uptick in demand. In reality, OEMs want to save money on building out next gen combustion engines and are using hybrids as a transition. Most of the consumers buying these cars couldn't tell the difference nor was their purchase motivated to buy a hybrid. It's the only option.
Hybrids are a big winner for dealers and their service departments. All the traditional maintenance of the ICE combined with a multitude of electrics intertwined into the powertrain. Popular with first time buyers under warranty, I believe they will be avoided as years add up on the used market.
Sandy Munro says, "in a few years, hybrids will be as popular as a Pet Rock..."
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Sandy's nothing but a Musk mouthpiece now.
Living 30miles from the maybe Vinfast factory I was big on 'em at 1st, but now really don't want a car made by a real estate company that has shown why this seems a bad idea....
its called Vinscam for a reason.
EVs are "a" solution, not "the" solution. I'm planning on buying a Tahoe diesel when my 22 yr old 327k mile Chevy with the original engine and transmission ever dies... would love to hear from an EV owner that still has the same range after 22 yrs. 😂
Chinese car market, 28m, is double US market. They're also simply leading the curve of new vehicle world trends. Hybrids are waning in China.
Elon is the one who started it and is ahead of the curve... try to keep up
Really a very different market so apples to oranges.
@@davidmccarthy6061- Not really. People want reliably transportation, that doesn't cost much to fuel, eliminates pollution, and are just fun to drive. EVs deliver this and more.
Do live in China?
@@hwirtwirt4500- Not me. I'm in the USA. Don't know about the others.
Put micro batterys and motors in everything and stick an hybrid sticker on it boom MORE HYBRIDS that 0.8 kwh battery did shit and if empty the rukuperation was ANNOYING as fuck (start & stop automatic did not help either)
It's difficult to report on accidents that didn't happen.
Maybe it has something to do with GM no longer offering Bolts and delaying Silverado and Blazer BEVs and Ford slowing Lightning production and most legacy manufacturers slow rolling their BEV ambitions. Don’t build it and they’ll buy hybrids or another ICE vehicle. “And look”, Sean says…”HYBRID SALES ARE SURGING!!!”
It’s not because they necessarily want hybrids, it’s that their BEV choices are curtailed.
Auto companies have to produce vehicles their customer base wants to buy
Some people point out
Ford does not sell small cars, people who purchase Fords do not want small cars in the US in high enough volumes
Ford had the number 1 small car sales in the world at one time (Escort 1985)
GM should not have canceled the EV1 or the Volt, they did not have enough customers who wanted them
People want hybrids, and if that is what they want manufacturers have to make them
This could change fast once EVs are in place (too many ways to list and this may take time), until all is ready in the EV world offer hybrids for sale
Ford does not sell Lightnings. Ford does not sell Mach-Es. Customer base knows what they don't like...
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I do think that was a knee-jerk reaction at Ford to build the new plants right away and split the company in two (time will tell hindsight is 2020). This appears the case for Hertz also with all the EV purchases. It will take time but I think at a given point EVs will be over 50% of new vehicles.
The Ford Maverick Hybrid is hot!
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneckOwners of both vehicles are quite pleased with them, they prefer build quality, service and parts availability over Hype.
BMW built its I3 on a dedicated chassis?????
6:45 ..wait BYD went from the Destroyer 07 to calling it the Seal DMI?! Those names are so far apart!
I don’t think I would want to drive a car called a “Destroyer”!
@@hishamg haha probably not, but it’s just an amazing 180 on they type of name.
Is there a level 2 ADAS that can avoid a stationary object in the vehicles lane while traveling at highway speeds? This is why distracted drivers are the problem. ADAS systems can’t avoid stationary objects, then again, distracted drivers don’t void them either.
I really wish that in the future, when you talk about growth, or comparing growth between segments, that you emphasize the total numbers as well, because it's clear from looking at the comments that they conflate growth rates with total market rates. Growth rates in general are very misleading statistics, it would be very helpful to give them context.
I would like to see what a Microsoft EV would look like even if it sells only in China, same with Samsung.
Imagine it.....
Microsoft Service Desk: "Hello, how can I help?"
Customer: "I'm driving along a busy highway at night in the rain and both the lights and wipers have stopped working, please help!"
Microsoft Service Desk: "Have you tried switching the car off and then on again"
The driver of the offending vehicle survived, I'm sure he/she can tell what happened, ultimately, it's the driver to blame. Hybrids are the "default" vehicles to buy, can't go back to ICE and not brave enough to move up to BEV.
I will die on the hill that conventional hybrids are just bad EVs and bad ICEs.
Don’t mean to be rude, but you pronounce Vietnamese incorrectly. Love the show! 👍🏼
Yes, he always says "VietManese" and no matter how many comments point this out, he never seems to get it right.
Are these "weak" hybrids with small battery capacity, etc.
Eh. It's one data point and it's one that is highly politicized. I'm honestly curious how much this has to do with 2024 being an election year lol. Regardless, we know there are several reasons why BEV demand is currently low. KC on the AAH show did a pretty good explaining why he expected this year to be a softer year than many are expecting for BEVs - and yet why BEVs will still have a huge explosion in the near future.
Either way, I think automakers would be quite foolish to be investing much more into hybrids at this point. I think there's a reasonable market for that tech into the future, but it's not the primary one (yes, even though hybrids will still be around after 2035). Spending a lot on new R&D and especially new manufacturing capacity is a dangerous game. I don't mind companies squeezing value out of their superior margins on ICE vehicles (but they're going to be thinner on hybrids). I don't mind them responding to market demand (fickle though it may be). But pouring that money into developing new combustion vehicles of any type, rather than making electric vehicles that people actually want is a really short-term outlook.
But again, all of this is political. Maybe Congress manages to ban all cheap foreign imports somehow (except for the ones NOT from China, actually...). Maybe the clean air rules get pushed back a decade or watered down. Maybe EV haters manage to make range anxiety such a thing that the entire segment is soured throughout the country despite that not even being a real problem. And maybe all of that somehow manages to keep legacy US automakers in a protected hedge from all of the pressure from elsewhere, allowing them to change nothing and somehow stay sustainable. But boy.. That's a big gamble.
Bad idea kicking back the clean air rules! We are paying for kicking them back in previous years! Kicking the can down the road will result someday where our car insurance is more then what the vehicle cost!
EVerything in the US is now "political." EVeryone makes prejudiced judgments of EVeryone about cars they buy, food, their Frunkin' toys? Cray. With a capital Zee!
What seems to get lost in the shuffle is the fun factor. EVs are just more fun to drive. The fact they almost have zero maintenance, or the fueling costs are about 1/3 that of gas are secondary issues. Something like 90% of EV owners will never buy another ICE car. They understand it. ICE owners are strangely defensive of their poor choices, but they will come around.
@@tesla_tap You're sounding defensive now.
@@hwirtwirt4500- Not at all. I'm just surprised how many people are unware of the fun factor and it often gets lost in debates about safety, range, charging, etc.
EVs down, Hybrids up. PRICE!
People forget how the horse carriage industry went down:
They had no room for further innovation, technology was at a dead end, while the replacement was just starting to scale.
EVs are about to destroy ICE in cost, that's checkmate.
Will people still buy ICE and Hybrid cars when they end up paying a premium for an inferior product in a few years, and while more gas stations continue to go out of business around them?
Generally not, much like not many beside the Amish ride horse carriages today.
And then it gets even harder when factoring in the move to smart cars, much like iPhone disrupted a Nokia market.
You can't prove a negative so how could you possibly show the number of accidents prevented while the car is in control? Even a near miss isn't an accident and what metrics will show anything valid?
As for the hybrids/PHEVs (basically the same thing, a compromise), those are growing in sales because in America there are only plugs on highways where nobody lives and only a tiny percentage travel long distances. 60% of potential EV buyers can't charge at home, work, or out running errands so it's still gasoline for them for at least another decade (1-2 vehicle purchases). Until the U.S. has substantial local charging installed the sales of EVs will be slow.
Every time a Subaru with Eyesight malfunctions and auto brakes for literally nothing: "Accident prevented! Add one to the counter!"
You can infer a negative. For many years, improved safety systems decreased road deaths in the US. Then along came Oxycontin, Xanax, and methamphetamines⚰
@@rwdplz1Have never had that happen with our 2019 Forester. But humans also glitch and have near misses, so that has to be accounted for too.
@@davidmccarthy6061Had it happen 3 times with a dealer loaner Outback while my car was getting the airbag recall done
Wait until the Cybertruck changes lanes and granmas Civic is gone. That stainless steel monster is going to get a few!
FSD v12.3 is already showing human level driving capability this week, reported by many customers.
The future is active safety, the best crash is no crash. Take the human out of the equation and the rest trends to becoming a rounding error.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan Even $andy Munro can't even drive Adrian's Imposter Truck! The best FSD is no FSD!
@@AllanSustainabilityFan Fake Self Driving, a Tesla exclusive!
Oh look it’s Toyota weirdly looking like a Tesla Model 3 😂
What hybrids which have been going down in price because EVs are pressuring manufacturers because the ICE market is shrinking globally, SHOCKING, not.
EV parts keep going down, EV tech keeps getting better faster than ICE or hybrid, and while 50% growth every year is not happening, the market for EVs is still growing.
This notion that only early adopters are buying EVs no longer true. EVs are becoming easier to own, more reliable, and becoming the logical choice in many market segments.
People can hold on to old myths and skewed story lines, but if you look at it logically, the improvements are happening faster and faster. Charging networks are growing, range is growing, safety is growing, volume production is growing as in industry, and so on.
Get away from the politics and just few the technology and growth of the past decade and you can see things are heading in the right direction for EVs and the hybrids will get a growth spurt, but it will die off before 2030.
It's all in how you structure the headline. Headline #1 "Demand for Hybrids Passes EVs" That gives the impressions that EV sales are declining and hybrids are just going wild right? Headline #2: "US EV registrations Accounted for 7.8% of the car market in Jan 2024 vs 7.1% in Jan 2023" Once Tesla releases their $25k Model 2 we will see an even more dramatic shift in the market as the Legacy auto makers cut their lower end models (non-hybrids) and pushed their higher end models (hybrids) to make more money over the last few years. Well that party/scam will come to a halt soon enough. Regardless of whether a person likes EVs or not, the legacy auto makers have been SCREWING consumers over and are going to deserve what they get when these up-start competitors show up with lower cost cars for the masses that Legacy auto abandoned.
There is no EV demand problem, their sales continue to explode. Only not competetive EV models from legacy auto have demand problems. Tesla EV Model Y is the number one selling car in the world.
Seán, to speak about hybrids and not mention manufacturers obligations under CAFE is only giving half the story.
The only reason hybrid sales are up is because there is nothing else available. Auto makers control the cars they make which controls the sales that happen.
Not so, The Inventory here in the USA is up over a million vehicles, most of them ICE. NOBODY wants an EV, but they will take a hybrid.
no. Its because redundancy.. same with generac backup generators for people with tesla battery and solar.. its called having a backup plan.
@@davewhite113 You both do not make parts, people are demanding ev... and so i laugh at you both. Hybrid is reliable and a good backup plan B and saves fuel for most workers who work near home, and go home.. ev are up because its one fourth the fuel cost.
@@davewhite113 More than 350,000 American NOBODYs wanted a Model Y last year. But you are correct about crap "EVs" purveyed by ForGM.
@@davewhite1131.2 million EVs sold in USA and nobody wanted them? Think of how many would be sold if we actually had a variety, and dealers didn't refuse to sell them.
So the I3 wasn't a dedicated platform? Get a clue.
He's clueless.
So the automaker has to put more parts in a hybrid but they don't get to charge more for them? That doesn't seem like a good idea. How is that sustainable?
The investments in ice engines is already written of!Is it realy to difficult to understand!You simply offer the customer everything and slowly ajusting the production to the demand of each segment of the market!Yes the future is ev but we dont know for sure what future,the near or the far future?So you dont risk to put all of your eggs in one basketl!
that doesn't mean they aren't making money on hybrids, but they may be making less than the full ICE versions though. The hybrid powertrain is already developed too, so R&D is minimal since the major investments have already been made.
Dont forget not every country is rich and can efford to build the infrastructure for EVs in no time!So Hybrids and pluginhybrids are a good solution for the near future until the infrastructre is build and hopefully we have way better batterietech then now!
Ford sells on average 800K pickups per year and they already have an EV pickup. ICE and Hybrid are in demand now, building what customers want is a great idea.
Just look at a countrys like Indonesia!Most people dont drive a car,just a scooter,dose it make sense for the gigantic investments needet just that the rich peoole can drive their evs?A step by step solurion is way better and cheaper!Investing in public transoort is way better anyway!
OE M using hybrid to get some reliability for ice motors lol trying to keep Loco motion going when ice dies lol.
Best reliability for ICE is to remove the engine completely! Hybrids are an interesting stop-gap, but EVs will take over.
@@tesla_tap absolutely
My prediction for EV sales going to increase 40-50% this year in 2024 because Ukrainian has just hit at least 12 out of the 30 large oil refineries lol 😂 Ev sales will be booming 🤯 in 2024 price have already started going up “Russia just announced export ban on refined oil but they can still export crude oil only. Prices going back to at least 1 dollar or 2 higher.
EVs aren’t for everyone. But neither are hybrids.
If you want to own a car for 10+ years, don’t get a hybrid.
EVs on average will become much more reliable in the long term.
I’d rather own a regular gas car than a hybrid.
But my next car purchase will be an EV, it fits my wants/needs
'Will become' personally I don't feel like subsidizing this research...
They should have surged a decade ago when Level 2 chargers became widespread.
Chargers aren't widespread relative to the numbers of EVs now.
@@jamesvandamme7786The number of level 2 shown on plugshare is amazing. Rarely, are they all full, but I agree they can/should be in more locations.
Plug-in hybrids are great, every company still making ICE vehicles should switch to them, asap, until they transition to all EV's. Over this next decade, all auto makers will transition to all EV's. AND, EV's are still growing, every month, sales are not shrinking, that's a lie.
Hybrids are for people who are afraid to make the leap.. those are the same people that couldn't bring themselves to buy a DVD player in the early 2000s so they bought a DVD VCR combo instead, and they never used the VCR portion afterwards. 😂
The difference is DVDs were better than VCRs, do not mistake ‘Not wanting to’ with ‘Being afraid of’
@@taniabanes4707 find me a gasoline car with 1,000 horsepower that gets 119 mi to the gallon (equivalent) and I'll buy it.. You have no idea what you're missing. 🙄
@@taniabanes4707 oh, and I read your post about feeling violated because Tesla's are recording you when you walk past one. Fun fact, CAMERAS ARE EVERYWHERE.. If you're scared to be on video don't leave your house. 🤷
@@TheMadmax0609 Maybe, but I know all the inconveniences I’m avoiding
@@TheMadmax0609 So you’re a fan now, cool.
I’m not afraid, if you don’t get sarcasm it’s not my fault
Only in the US. Hybrids are a terrible mistake. They are too costly, and too unreliable due to the complexity of having two independent drive trains.. In the order of price in about 18 or less months the cost from pricer to cheaper will look like this. Hybrids the most costly and most prone to fires. ICE price will increase but will nev er be more than a Hybrid, ineficcient and poluting but a proved technology. EV will become the cheapest of all car transportation. Their safety will be unmatched by anyother type of vehicle propulsion, Hybrids and ICE cars account for 99.6% of all car fires and the ev only for 00.4% of all car fires. There is no ICE motor to go into the pasenger/driver space sduring as colision. US legacy automakers pretend to demostrate how good are the hybrids, and will never learn the necessay skills to manufacture provit ev. In the large run this will cause their demise as ar companies..
You didn't mention that they are most likely to burst into flame. FUD about "EV" fires stems from Frunkin' hybrids. EVen Bolts weren't a big problem: 19 out of more than 200,000.
Consumer reports found hybrids to be the most reliable class of vehicle.
Forget your meds today?
So you ended last Friday’s show as well as today’s with an excerpt from Thursday’s After Hours show basically saying the same thing. And telling us what a great show it was. As well as building it up all last week.
Really, is there such a paucity in global auto news that you have to keep pushing your Dad’s show day after day? Week after week.
Week after week it has a few good moments but isn’t enough for me to be interested in watching a whole show. Your Dad and that other guy sure are happy to see each other.
"There's been a lot of negative news about EVs lately." And you guys have been a part of that negative reporting by constantly saying how sales have been dropping. Commenters have said how unfair that is since all vehicle sales have dropped, and the reporting is just a bias against EVs.
lol best selling car in the world is an EV but somehow there's more demand for hybrids? The cost of Ev's will be so cheap in the years to come that hybrids or ice won't be able to compete. As an example the Model S is now only $70K compared to a Taycan $100k. The Tesla Model S is now cheaper than the 2008 $50k launch price would be $72k in todays money.
Best selling car in the world is small fraction of new cars sold. Free Market choice.
Corolla still number 1 worldwide! Akio proven right again!
We had a Model S in our family . Cheap built POS. Never will there be another Tesla in our drive.
People want EV's that are not generic and have a decent build quality. I guess that is why I have been seeing more Porsche Tycan's on the road lately.
Top Taycan > $200,000
Cost = hybrids, larger selection= hybrids. Who wants a vehicle with (2) two power plants? Evidently many do.
Both of these factors are primarily a function of what automakers want, not so much what consumers want.
Let then find the repair cost. Also the catch fire 2X more than ICE cars (about 66%). Hybrids and ICE cars get 99.6% of all car fires. There is a car fire every 5 minutes in the US, so conmon it not evn a local news. EV only 00.4%
@@davidmenasco5743Dealers love them, too. More to service.
I'm not going to get a hybrid at all. I'd rather go straight to EV. Why would I want a car that's more complex than an ice vehicle and more complex than an electric vehicle? Hybrids have more crap that can break. They literally have some cars out there with 100-year-old electric engines that still work today. The auto industry doesn't like things that don't break on a regular basis that they can make money off of, that and they love dealerships. 🤮
(hybrids have twice the failure points - battery electric have large crumple zones and low center of gravity )
Great deduction, like 2+2=4, if only reliability MTBS's were that simple.
@@hwirtwirt4500 the engine is too small and so are the motors and batteries
(the lower center of gravity/line of pressure on battery electric vehicles makes for softer suspension and a more comfortable ride )
@@replica1052 You have no idea what you're talking about, must be a tesla fanboy.
@@hwirtwirt4500 instant torque and front wheel drive make for lots of wheelspin
@@replica1052 What you need is instant brains, lots of it.
They've been saying EV sales are down since January, allowing time to sell the BS story before yearly totals come out.
Differentiate between hybrids & plug-in hybrid.
Meanwhile EV ecosystem is growing , used evs, charging
It would be good if you guys would have all the automotive news by geographical region all together. Eg: North America, then Europe, then China. I hate that you jump all over the place. I don't care about cars that will never be sold in North America or news about stuff happening in China / Europe when it isn't applicable here in most cases.
Hybrids are gas vehicles
VINisLAST lol
F150 hybrids are a joke, I get 19mpg to 22mpg in my 2011 f150 ICE the 2024 f150 hybrid mpg is 24mpg - give me a break ford you can do better, supply a bigger battery. CHINA is coming !
The hybrid doubles the city driven MPG, that's why people want it.
But Ford screwed Maverick buyers and added a $1,500 upgrade charge on the Hybrid!!
Still cheap!
Nobody is forced to buy.
I wouldn’t call 1,500 bucks ‘screwing’, it’s at least peanuts compared to the price the CT was announced and its actual cost
Musk up charged Cybertruck buyers by $20,000 to be the first one to buy a shoddily built rusting POS.
Look, I also dislike EVs, but I want my kids & yers too, able to survive the hot, ugly future without choking & melting to death when FLA weather extends N into the arctic....
People that thinks hybrids are going to be successful have never lived with a hybrid.
Seems like the ‘EVs are the future’ BS is not aging too well atm
Do you actually think BEVs are not going to replace ICE in the long term?
Do you see ICE technology improving more rapidly than EV technology?
@@davidmenasco5743 If they do it’s in a very distant future, when EVs are as convenient, easy, cheap and fun to drive as ICE and we’re far from it
@@davidmenasco5743 Ev's are on a dead end road, they will NEVER replace ICE or ever outsell ICE.
Do not believ in a publicity stunt from Legacy OEM. They are hidden the truth.
@@davidmenasco5743 Yes BEV will be long term but that means 10-20 years out, depending on availability of local charging.
Cont'd EV interest from consumers.. RUBBISH.. overpriced, high cost insurance, expensive fixes.. not enough mechanics.. expensive battery replacements on used EVs.. high depreciation.. etc.. They ARENT SELLING !! Industry guy from last weeke.. was absolutely useless.. n probsbly paid to say that EVs are selling :)..