timing is kinda funny but I had recorded about 12 minutes passed that point but ended up scrapping all of it cause alarm distracted my train of thought and it wasn't a clean resume point even with edits. :D
there's a thread on the competitivewow subreddit with a google doc with steps to improve performance. one takeaway i saw was that heal prediction on elvui can eat fps, not sure by how much, but if you're not healing thats probably useless. another thing i read elsewhere is that no matter what ui you're using unless its default blizzard, the blizzard raidframes are always loaded. ive heard people disable the elvui raidframes and edit the blizzard ones to look similar to elvui without the performance loss. thanks for the videos guy, hope this helps others
Just watched both of your videos about fixing the FPS in retail and it helped me out big time since i'm not that much of a tech guy. Really good work, keep it going my dude!
I really appreciate videos on performance and especially ones that explain it well like this and your last video. I just watched your video on addons to use from a few months again where you also explain hitching and disabling high performance cost addons. Definitely subscribing for more, thanks!
Thank you again When it comes to details i remember asking the question about how big of a difference 0.20 to 3 sec update interval made but didn't get any answers. In any case i've been using 3 sec update for 1 year and most of the time i'm on the Deaths window anyway, i only swap to dps between wipes
Update interval only changes the update rate on the visual. Actual data collection has to happen in real time and is the most performance intensive part. Visual updates are a small part of the equation and usually just matters when you hit your cpus limit. You can turn off animate bars if you want which will probably help performance. But that's still just the visuals ofc.
Thanks for sharing. 3rd video soon. i covered weak auras, other addons, next is just bad and good game settings. I know others have done similar guides but i've watched them i've read them and many good tips but also many not good tips or some tips that are missed. addons and engine are my wheel house, so I feel I can still drop some unique infos that nobody knows yet.
One thing about Plater is to increase the update interval there as well. It's set to the lowest by default I believe, but you can put it up to 0.5 as well. This helped a lot of my guildies with lowend PCs on Broodtwister.
Part 1 of this video had a great affect on me. I was determined to find all the things tanking my FPS. I found that graphics settings were tanking my framerate more than everything else after I got rid of all the Weakaura models. I watched a Quazil graphics settings video and fixed all the framerate issues. Even something simple like lowering the liquid detail significantly affected how much the frame rate was affected. Thank you for the video. It made me do the work necessary to make playing the game easier and more fun.
Yeah i've seen his graphics settings video, couple things in it i disagree with though and some things he missed, but it's otherwise still a great video that is very helpful. I still plan on making similar tomorrow because addons and the engine are actually super my wheel house (i've been tech support mvp for blizzard for 15 years, and have direct line to engine devs and know practically as much about it as an employee). There are things i know i can cover that just haven't been covered yet.
@@mysticalos -- I would still love to see it. Quazil dabbles in everything and probably isn't exactly a SME (subject matter expert). I would love to see the opinion of one though.
I did some investigation on my ElvUI after your previous video and here is what I found: First of all, let me say that when I disable ElvUI completely, I get like +15 fps when in combat, so there is 100% something wron with that addon. Now, I found that if you disable PORTRAITS in ElvUI (they exist as optional settings in nameplates/UnitFrame etc) you get a performance boost, that must be related to your previous video observation about models. I had portrait enabled in my target unitframe and when I disabled it, suddeny my fps got better. I hope more ElvUI users see this comment and also push the ElvUI devs to further investigate their addon performance in general, I love ElvUI and I dont want to replace it Additionally, I used a performance check addon (CPU usage etc) in-game and I found out another addon that utilizes CPU aggresively for no reason, that is MegaMacro.
You are aware that they know that portraits are a performance hit and have a guide for optimizing performance which explicitly states to disable portraits? Heck, portraits on nameplates were too great of a performance hit so they disabled them completely about a year ago.
i had 40 fps on pull with BL when elvui was enabled, without it i went up to 70 fps on pull with bloodlust. as someone who has been using elvui since MoP and havent played a single second of wow without it, its time to give that garbage up.
ElvUi Dev put out a post on how to fix performance issues with right elvui settings here: x.com/Luckyone961/status/1843256715917050331 Please continue commenting and giving feedback on other addon experiences or issues you've found affected your performance. I'm still collecting feedback for more things to test, and pass onto blizzard as well as more things I can maybe help with such as going over settings of game or addons. I'll be uploading a part 3 going over settings that kill fps, and how best tricks to getting most performance out of game, when you've already culled in or disabled addons. That was also gonna be in this video but my alarm got set off during recording and then things got chaotic so I ended up editing that mess out and i'll record settings in a separate video. probably for best anyways as it was nearly a 40 minute video, best split (and probably restructured) to not be as long and more quick going through settings anyways. When I go over settings though I plan to be more in depth and technical than most but still in simple terms because I have a greater understanding of engine than most and can really help with tweaks most others who do graphics settings videos miss.
Thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to part 3. I'm not a computer guy sadly, so it takes time for me to learn more. Right now I've just been running whatever settings my Nvidia optimizes. It seems most of my settings are all maxed out, but I love knowing exactly what each graphical setting does for graphical quality vs performance.
Even after Blizzards UI overhaul, stuff like Plater just is too powerful to entirely drop, especially when you play competetively, same goes for WeakAuras, Blizzards UI still does a poor Job tracking Buffs/Procs and certain other things, so the only thing we can do is Optimize the hell out of those AddOns.
Goodluck going to the Elvui devs and saying anything is wrong with it. That Flamanis person is extremely aggressive towards anyone that asks for help for some reason.
for longest time i've been wanting to get rid of elvui, and the main use of elvui for me (dont laught) is the accounting of gold on all chars. is there any addon that can track your gold on all characters?
I was already using the most optimal graphic settings , but your previous video helped me a great deal ! Didnt know about the weakaura model thing , i had 1 in my class WA and 1 in the dragonflying weakaura thing . Deleted both of them , no WA crash or anything , they still work perfectly but i got even more than 10-20 fps increase . Its insane . I was looking forward a video like this (lol actually i found you yesterday by searching for ElvUI optimization ) . So thank you very much , doing great work for the community !
I found yesterday that shadowed unit frames also had a huge impact on my perf in its stock config. My fps at 1440p standing in the middle of dornogal went from around 50fps to 90-100fps
I dont have fps problems but I had these annoying little stutters while flying around in the open world (excluding major cities they always lag). I stumbled across a Elden Ring video where disabling cpu 0 boosts fps massively. I tried it for wow and my stuttering is completely gone. You can do this with task manager while wow is running, but this doesnt persist. You can use process lasso or process governer to make it persistent. I think there is also a cvar ingame called processaffinitymask but I dont know which value is required to disable cpu 0.
@MysticalOS Very impressed by your video trilogy, good work. But a few questions: 1. Why game on Mac? 2. Do you have a list of addons to avoid/better alternatives? 3. Any more old "tips" to debunk? 4. What addons do you use/reccomend? I see what looks like titanbar at the top, curious about that one in particular
Thought I replied but guess it got eaten. I use mac just cause i'm used to it. It's where i do my development. Mac has also come a long way with apple silicon. It's pretty beast. The addons I list can be worked with you just have to fine tune settings. lucky posted optimial settings for elvui on twitter and i THINK I link it in description? that will help wth elvui performance. details and plater you can change update frequency to help. if you do need lighter weight nameplates though maybe kuinameplates
Long story which I feel is my civic duty to post here: I’ve been obsessed with the cpu optimization game ever since DF S4 pre patch when my fps tanked. Prior to that I was running wow on a default 8 graphics setting with nothing additional tweaked and was locked at 60fps 1080p (due to monitor display rate) and would experience NO DIPS in frame rate with the exception of valdrakken and certain hectic world events. Raiding was fine. This is with a ryzen 5600 and rx 6600, a budget gaming pc. Since then, around TWW release, I’ve upgraded my monitor to 1440p ultrawide and have had to significantly decrease my graphics quality, which I was willing to do because hey, it’s 1440p ultrawide on a budget build, so what do you expect? But then after playing other games and not having to adjust my quality at all I started to scratch my head. It didn’t make sense that wow, a 20 year old game, was dipping so hard. I was running elvui, details, plater, raider.io, dbm, WA, bagnon, tomtom, and a bunch of handynotes, as well as other various addons I can’t remember. Since then I’ve cut down to: -Dbm + dungeon pack -Shadowed unit frames -Plater Details w/ 3 sec update time (I’m a tank so idrc and don’t check it super often anyway, just between pulls) -weak auras with quaziis DH pack and causese TWW dungeons (no raid, I haven’t been raiding much and if I do I install it and uninstall after) -cursor trail And that’s it. And I’m averaging around 100-115mb addon memory. CPU usage is like 35mb/s. And I’m still looking for ways to cut it down! But, when I was running all that crap before it was 250mb addon memory. I might delete SUI too if I find out it’s costing me frames, and maybe I’ll even switch to skada instead of details. But yeah, unfortunately with the state of the game now, especially if you’ve got a middle of the road CPU and can’t upgrade it, definitely go minimal if you want the frames! If you can play without plater, do it! Unfortunately I’m addicted to it, but yeah. And if you can play without class WA packs I’d recommend that too, as currently that’s about 50% of my addon cpu usage. End rant lol
I use Quazii plater as well but it's having any plater enabled at all shows more drops than having no plater. I used his plater in DF and had no issues, I downloaded his new plater for TWW as well but have had frame drops whenever lots of nameplates are on screen.
Maybe try turning off some of extra scripts on the scripts tab. Especially ones that have to do with aura tracking for spells that aren't your own maybe?
not quite the same topic, but I was having screen freezes when tabbing out WoW and between monitors, after buying new ones. I was playing around with all kinds of settings in-game to no avail. I seem to have fixed it by disabling G-Sync in the driver settings.
@@mysticalos It would be difficult to test too unless it has major gains, with all the variables in wow content. I say it doesn't hurt to lower it. No one needs that many updates anyway
I think you can try a diff profile, or change update rate of it. or disable some of the debuff tracking things you don't need since aura tracking on nameplates is expensive.
Ive not yet watched the video. But I have a 160(locked) steady fps in Timewalking dungeons (wrath) which are obviously not taxing without addons, but when I enable all of them I lose like 50-60 fps. Most of my addons are 'lightweight' and I can't seem to find the culprit to my much lower fps.. The weakauras I use do not use "models" or backgrounds, its mostly just text, or an icon displayed. Any ideas? Addons that I use: Advanced interface Options (mostly for changing the lag tolerance, less delay on keypresses) BattleGroundEnemies (easier to track targets in battlegrounds) BetterBlizzFrames & BetterBlizzPlates (unit nameplates & buffs+debuffs on targets) Capping (timer addon primarily for battlegrounds / Blitz) Details Diminish (Diminishing Return tracker on nameplates) FrameSort (sets u as bottom always regardless of who ever is in your group) Gladius (arena frames/tracks DR, trinkets) Handynotes TWW + Dragonglyphs jButtonFlash (flashy keybutton presses) Leatrix Maps (map addon) OmniAuras (Like BigDebuffs, but also tracks whenever u use a defensive on partyframes/raidframes) OmniBar (Tracks enemy cooldowns) OmniCD (Tracks party cooldowns) tullaRange (makes ur actionbuttons red if ur not in range) MoveAny (lets u move frames, I use it mainly to move the LFG eye icon when you queue for a dungeon or BG / arena) to the minimap. Shadowlands Micro Menu (makes ur micromenu, characterpanel/achievement etc looking like it did prior to Dragonflight) Weakauras: Mes Arena CD's (audio & tracks what cooldowns people press, mostly in arena) Externals on You (if a healer uses an external on me, regardless of setting) Teea Danger Alerts (tracks cooldowns in arena, and who they are targeting) Healer CC (shows whenever my healer is in a crowdcontrol, primarily in arena) Edit: I do have bugsack, but I really don't know how to read it. I have tons of mention when it comes to Advancedinterfaceoptions, Diminish, Gladius, BlizzardAuctionbar?! BattlegroundEnemies etc. Granted they are days old. Edit 2. My pc specs are: 16gb ram 3200mhz 2060 super ryzen 7 3700x
@@0grdt Not really the same thing. For example Omnibar tracks when the cooldown is ready again, the weakaura Teea shows the uptime of it, and who they're targetting. However, all of them are loaded only in rated pvp. The lag im experiencing is as stated, in dungeons (timewalking coz timewalking week, lvling)
SUF i just turn portraits off cause they are using models (so performance hit) and plater I just use quazii's profile with some tweaks to my own preference
I have LUA errors with the default WOW UI when i want to custom my UI. as example moving my actionbar or my mini map i get a LUA Error.. should i instal wow new?
I deleted some WA's with models, and while that did help some... I still lagged & drop my fps down drastically on certain raid bosses. I use elvui, plater, & details. I also use Quazi's plater and I just upped my details from .2 to 1. Not sure what really to change on elvui. I do have a question for you though. I am running into issues where I just drop target mid fight. Like I'm a hunter, shouldn't ever not target the boss once we start combat, and I will push my spells only for them not to work because i'm not targeting the boss anymore. It always happens the same time my fps drops really low. Any ideas what might be causing that? I know thats hurting my dps for sure.
Does exist some addon that will manage which addons will run in dungeon, in open world or raid enviroment? for example when i have normal graphic settings for open world and m+, and then separate for raid, i want only few addons to run in raid automatically.
can you share, somehow, you graphic setup on your mac? just a screenshot or something from the settings ingame? just watched the end of the video. so i'm waiting for pt. 3 then :D
Could you maybe make a video about the "best" graphics setting to get the most FPS possible? I read somewhere else that disabling e.g. Target FPS is not helping to increase FPS because of the engine etc. Would really appreciate your knowledge on that end.
actually doing that next. in fact it was supposed to be in part 2, but then my alarm got set off DURING recording and then by time I got back it was getting late so i snipped what was already recorded and ruined and shipped just the first 7 min talking about other addons.. anyways i'll rerecord that after a good sleep and some fresh editing.
enabling max foreground fps in the game gave me less fps and more stutter versus capping fps with an external tool like rivatuner, same thing with enabling vsync ingame.
generally max foreground shouldn’t be used if you’re using any driver controlled features like gsync or freesync. but if either available they’re useful tools. but yeah def don’t use em with external driver management at same time it’ll cause issues.
When i get a whisper ingame ( i use WIM adon) i always get a annoying whisper tab from that person (wow default) that i have to click away how did you not get that?
that's an option in default game options. they cyhanged default. open blizzard options not addons, search for whisper and change it from new tab to "inline"
After using ElvUI with my own profiles since *Cata* I ditched it for the new stock UI since the DF prepatch. The FPS gains in raid were Huge. I have Details set to a low/slow update period, and I Hate plater, I run KUI Nameplates with my custom profile.
@@mysticalos Yea that's fair. I don't like that kind of plater Myself. There is too much "Noise" visually. It's like someone blew up a skittles factory.
It's not ElvUI it self, it's the fact people download it, move the elements and nothing else, or just uses another persons profile for it, but never actually goes in and optimizes the different elements, like UI shadows, bar smoothing, showing permanent buffs, not optimizing what debuffs show up for them... If you apply debuffs naturally through your rotation, you do not need to see that debuff, if you use plater, do it in that addon instead and so on so forth... 3D portraits.. My ElvUI is a fps increase from retail UI, just actually take your time to look through the options in the addon.
I have no clue why, but i actually get more fps using elvui than disabling it... There can be trick to, I only use elvui for unitframes, because blizzard one sucks hard when it comes to tracking buffs/debuffs/cds etc. (also sucks when it comes to filtering useless into lub having stamina buff from priest, I don't need that info taking away space during combat from other actually important stuff). I have disabled every single other thing, not using maps, nameplates, skins, chat, datatexts or bars etc. I literally use only unitframes.
shadowed unit frames much lighter weight, but can also sometimes be slow to be updated on new patches cause author doesn't play game anymore and gives limited time to mod updates so that's only caveat i'd say.
i have 300 fps outside of major cities, but the moment i go into Dornogal my fps drops to 80. dont get me started when we pull queen ansurek with more than 20 people. playing mythic fights with 40 fps is not fun. Edit: the addons i use are shadowed uns, details (1s intervals), bartender, decursive, weakaura and bigwigs. i dont use a class weakaura and never had issues with weakaura in general.
Yeah, i really wish they had gotten engine improvements in they wanted to do for dragonflight that got canceled due to greedy execs. burns my goat to think about performance we didn't get cause someone needed a Q4 bonus. i can mostly keep at 60fps in raids but yeah it's still annoying that i can enjoy 120 everywhere else but soon as i'm in a city or a raid, might as well lock it to 60. i just lock it to 60 at all times for frame consistency cause going back and forth is jarring. that said, i basically run 60 ultra at 4k minus raytracing and compute shaders cause they're wasteful resources with little gain.
I highly recommend to activate vsync or set a limit to your fps based on your monitor. So if you have 60Hz Monitor = 60FPS. Otherwise youre pushing your gpu to limits which is not needed. My GPU can produce 300 FPS as well but the GPU is then at 85°. The engine is bugged for some reason.
@@0grdt I noticed the frame drops only happened on fights with a crazy amount of adds (Tindral mythic in Amir and Ovi'nax mythic in Nerub), but I just checked my plater settings and the nameplates had an update interval of 0.005. Yeah... changed that to 0.25 and gonna raid tonight to see how much that's changed my fps lol
I have conducted some tests on my setup regarding the mentioned addons: I am getting around 40-50fps in Dornagal, specifically in front of the auction house. After disabling Plater and ElvUI in my addons, I didn’t notice any performance change. This made me realize that I was quite concerned about performance when setting up my ElvUI profile. It doesn’t have any animated portraits or any other fancy stuff; it’s very clean and functional. As for Plater, I am using Naowh's profile, so there’s not much to say about it. The only thing I can mention is that my fps stayed the same even after disabling the addon. Just to remind you, I have a 4070 and an Intel Core i5-11400F. Let me know if you need me to run more tests on my setup! I’m available to test more things regarding this. I find it odd that a relatively good setup like this struggles so much to run this game, while Cyberpunk runs at 144fps with everything on ultra... By the way, I’ve been wondering if it wouldn’t be interesting to integrate DLSS 3, just like they integrated RTX in WoW... Also let me know if those feebacks's not helping at all lol
Dornogal infront of the Auction House, dosn't really represent any meaningful performance test, since the really performance hungry events are not triggering (Plater HP Bars, ElvUI Party/Raid Frames) etc. the easiest test is to que up LFR and check on a actual raidboss
WoW is still running on an ancient dogshit engine and every single new expansion that drops, the overall gameplay performance goes down yet the game still visually looks the same. We started getting stutters in the main city of valdrakken in dragonflight, it was bad but the stuttering in dornogal is next level. At this point im 100% sure the game is just HORRIBLY optimized and the devs either refuse to acknowledge it or they know they cant do anything about it without changing the game engine. Personally i think the performance we're getting in this game nowadays is just unacceptable, its actually so so bad.
I'm not an Elvui shill, but the guy who said Elvui tanked his FPS to 3 probably doesn't have higher than 30 FPS to begin with. Elvui is the last of his problems Also the problem very likely lies within the extreme settings inside of Elvui, instead of just Elvui itself, like character portraits etc.
@@mysticalos You got any suggestions for semi spiky stutters that happens even without any addons in the folder? Tried different PCs and they all have the same type of stuttering. Usually it happens when standing still and then suddenly turning the camera, mounting up, engaging combat, opening in game panels/windows, people joining/leaving groups etc.
Lucky for me i dont have issues at all with any addons. Probably because i make my own profiles for every addon and i dont just download naowh ui mega package
Yes and no. Wow is certainly not coded to leverage the core count modern cpus have. it generally has enough work scheduled to keep 2-3 cores busy. the problem is what parts of code are multi threaded or not. the graphics engine generally is to an extent but the addon/ui threads are not. the problem, the ui/addon threads run on the graphics threads. so the engine is massive bogged down...by the UI. including the base Ui. but most certainly compounded by addons. this means that even if the scheduler for actual graphics is multi threaded, it gets caught up on the UI bogging everything down. this was supposed to be fixed for dragonflight, but was canceled cause pushing DF out 1 month earlier was better for shareholders. and this likely won't change anytime soon since MS isn't much better in terms of who they cater to. But long short of it is, we as user have to deal with it, and tips given are best way cause we need to mitigate Ui load as much as possible for the renderers sake
Im sure what people do ElvUI "design" like dogshit and get dropping fps. Seriously, its like WA models. When we start discus about that huge addons like WA and Elv, we must keep in mind what single part of them can be problem, not all. Disable 3d models, increase refresh period, turn off smooth bars - you're awesome and get about zero percentage impact on your cpu via elv. Srsly, you're not deleting addon weakauras cuz one of auras dropping frames, right? So why you wanna delete elv if something just missconfiged? I agreed with most takes in this and previous vid, but that part burned me out. Hope what ppl someday will start configurating things what they encountering, 'cuz this world not so simple. Anyways thx for video.
I never said to delete elvui (I might have mentioned some commenters did). I directly encouraged users to reach out with their settings and issues to developers to find out what's going wrong. Some commenters said they deleted it and used something diff and I wasn't gonna disagree with their results or wants. that said I'm pretty sure I put the developer response in video description and in one of comments to outline they have responded with what specific settings are problematic. I do think in future it'd probably benefit them greatly to add warnings to their UI about the specific offending settings such as "this enables x, but has performance impact" But yeah i never blamed weak auras or elvui for being bad addons and said more than likely they're accessing something specific that isn't performant.
@@mysticalos yeah, sure. Tbh, Im wrote my comment in affect by looking in comment section, not your vid. Apologize if I confuse you. My hurt here is just reluctance most of people to learn deeper here. At least, it's interesting part and grow up their skills, and also it's about their self comfort. p.s. - Im sure what we really need warnings about usage in tooltips/windows on all heavy load parts. WA, Elv, Plater teams do great works, hard works, but sadly they have a coder-mind, and most devs simply forgot what not all know what refresh time in every frame have dependence for loads, et cetera. p.p.s. - right now I'll go to check up third vid, thx for work, mate :)
For details, the option under Bars: General that reads as "Fast updates" gave me performance issues as well. Turning that off, and setting update interval to .8 helped immensely for me
I have FPS being tanked by Unitframes, i really dislike the base player unitframe and its just unplayable on some fights, what alternatives wont eat my CPU?
Considering I have details hidden (simply alpha set to 0) during combat, it was good to learn I could set that slider all the way up. It wasn't a noticeable difference, but it's something.
For me, the biggest impact on WoW performance is definitely resolution. It's not just about graphics performance, on the contrary, with a higher resolution, it should go more to the GPU than to the CPU, and that doesn't happen in Wow. I play 2/4K ultra-wide and it's a total disaster even with a high-end setup. Wow unfortunately has a terribly outdated engine and addons/weak auras don't help it. The fact that the game does not include DLSS speaks volumes for its status. When I set the resolution scale to 1080p, I don't actually experience any FPS drops. I9 14900k RTX 4090 DDR5 64GB NVME 2.0
the game not having DLSS or FSR 2/3 or XeSS definitely holds it back. But it does have FSR 1 and it's super useful to pushing higher resolutions. FSR 1 does have a bug on some windows machines though where it doesn't work or actually tanks performance though. But if you aren't on one of those machines then if you have a 4k machine I suggest setting render scale to 75% and setting sampling to FSR 1.0. it'll get a nice performance boost without introducing any notable artifacting or shimmering that you typically see with more aggressive FSR. it'd basically of high balanced/low quality preset in most other games. you could also try 66 or 50^% render scale to push more frames but at that point you may lose sharpness on grass edges
LoL was made in 2008, so like 4 yrs after wow? Yet even a gtx 1080 can hold 240 fps with maxed out settings at 1080p (i know cuz i am doing that now). Lol's optimization is great while wow's is trash. Both games look like shit when compared to stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 or Black Myth Wukong, so neither has an excuse to not have 240 fps with a half decent gpu. Blizzard is just cheap or idk what. How are they so bad at optimization?
yeah there is a bug where certain hardware has fps issues with FSR instead of boosts. i'm gonna dig into it more to see why that's not fixed yet. it's a huge gain IF it works. good that you can still activate it at driver.
Elvui has been a culprit for a longtime, its old spaghetti code and still tanks fps hard despite there they saying it doesn't do that, there pretty wrong there. I removed it and went simple with addons that I find useful now I have stable fps instead of it becomes a stutter fest.
Uninstalling Elvui has been a game changer for me. Finally decided to take the plunge after more than a decade and the game has never been smoother. Went with a combination of dominos, Cell, Cell unit frames, Leatrix plus. I still keep weakauras and plater as these are at least manageable IMO.
Was thinking of doing a similar thing. Did your fps/lag improve? Because my thoughts are, that if I need to install 3-4 or more Addons wouldn't they ultimately be a heavier hit to performance than the Addon which combines it all?!
Elvui was good back then, not anymore. I used elvui for 2 years, and now I'm so happy that I ditched it. Swap for plater + cell. Don't bother with their late updates or aggressive attitude anymore
best way to fix your laggy addons is to install a bunch that are functionally similar (for example a dps meter like details, skada, recount, etc) and profiling them with a memory usage addon such as addon usage or broker. WAs also have a built-in profiling tool with the commands /wa pstart, /wa pstop, & /wa pprint
true. i almost always lean to lighter weight but also factor in features. to not make too many concessions. ie if it’s lighter because it does less it’s not always better. you weight your needs and options.
idk how this is a surprise to any1. Addons are poorly coded scripts, it's best blizzard just bans all addons and make the game good and useable by itself instead.
you realize almost all the examples I gave on performance issues with addons, are caused by blizzard bugs with stock ui right? Models hurting performance? it's not even just addons, stockui too. why do you think your performance dumpsters in a crowded city. Player models. Yeah some fancy animations and calculation stuff like having plater or details update frequently definitely introduce performance issues, but most issues are caused by the lack of good performance in the stock api/ui. So shifting blame off blizzard because existing problems are made worse by addons isn't productive. Hold blizzard more accountable. You did get one thing on head and that's base Ui should absolutely be better because addons shouldn't feel mandatory to fix basic functionality that should be built in though.
@@mysticalos Ofc the game is old, and over time it feels like the engine hasn't modernized enough, to me. For instance, I get more fps on my Mac mini with a cpu test than my pc. Despite my pc having much more cores etc. For a 2024 game it's awfully dependent on a single thread and as a result my gpu is barely utilized at all -- especially i the cities. Cyberpunk uses every thread I have, a true modern game in that sense. Blizzard could and should fix it, but they won't. Not saying it's easy but he, they're the ones receiving subscriptions for a pay2win game, even mobile game developers are jealous on how they pulled that one AND their fans being low iq enough to not see the connection of buying gold with buying progress aka pay2win. And addons, while not all (like one bag) wreak havoc on gameplay as well, like weakauras, DBM, etc, despite not all doing it ALL should be banned, no addons. I haven't really played since bfa (besides some benchmark runs), but I remember from BFA that people could not heroic or even normal raid without them, legitimately could not survive a minute even. And now the 20th anniversary raid in LFR we wipe lmao. The average wow player is so bad at the game, it's incredible, ofc I am as well now, haven't touched it in years. & the addons are essentially telling them what to do and playing for them, they are light cheats and for that reason alone should be banned all together. But also because it's very off putting to new / returning players -- which is me. Which is why the retail wow fanbase only shrinks (and becomes more hardcore as a result) and has to milk their remaining fans harder and harder, ie "early" access, 80euro mounts etc. Banning all addons should also incentive Blizzard to make their ui / fights not the mess it is today. It won't happen and ultimately, I don't really care. With the dumbest decision ever at the end of Legion to introduce ilvl scaling and later level scaling and even later fully removing player progress (levels, ilvls etc) it basically died. It is not an mmo, it's not an rpg, it has a crap story, boomer hotkey and laggy gameplay, it's pay2win, I mean these retail developers are just riding on the success of others, good for them I guess.
to be fair, if it's an apple silicon mac mini. apple silicon in some regards is miles ahead of intel and AMD right now. only one even close to catching up is probably nvidia soon. you're comparing far more efficient chips based on 3nm architecture to 14 or 10nm intel chips or 7nm amd ones. intel is finally ditching their own fob process or same company doing apples so their next cpus can finally be 6nm. as of this comment, apple M4 is actually fastest cpu on market. of course apple pales in comparison to gpu space on PC but when it comes to wow, cpu is king. there is a reason my macbook pro actually runs wow crazy good.
@@mysticalos Ofc, but that's the thing, Intel, AMD and Nvidia are all stuck in the past. It's not 2010, why use 10/14nm?? & Especially Nvidia - a trillion dollar company has no excuse using ancient designs. And Intel and AMD, well, they keep using x86, to each their own -- at last a carbon tax will put an end to it anyway. Apple's M4 gpu is about 10x more efficient than Nvidia's 3000series, so about 4-5x more efficient than their 4000series. Be interesting what they cook up with the 5000series but I'm betting its more energy sucking garbage for Windows. As you can tell I'm not really a fan of pc hardware and haven't been since Apple Silicon. I'm still waiting to get a pro or max chip Mac as I only really need that for gaming and retail wow sucks massive dick since end of Legion so idk. No reason atm. I still have a pc as well but each day I'm closer to seller that x86 waste of sand.
Not addons, my system was getting great fps in wow for years with my addons, then war within drops and my fps absolutely suck ass! This is on blizzard with all the new video settings and worthless crap they been doing. Why why why! Now I have to upgrade my cpu just to play this stupid game 😂😂😂
certain apis and models did get slower. just because an addon worked before doesn’t mean it doesn’t tank performance now. and yes that is on blizzard but until they fix it it’s still important to work around problematic features. and i have a separate video going over settings
I am simply convinced no matter if your pc is worth 10k or 1k, there will always be major fps drop in major cities. And yes my pc is worth 10k, with addons or without i am always seeing major fps drops.
not entirely wrong. cpu bound to all hell. but admittedly I still do alright. but i'll show in my 3rd video (was part of 2nd but moved to 3rd due to a whole mess of stuff), that I can still hold fairly steady above 60 but easily shoot up to 120 outside of cities and raids. typically it's why i cap at 60 and just enjoy highest 4k fidelity. strike perfect balance so i'm keeping gpu bound while staying within limits of being cpu bound. settings video probably still gonna be 20-30 min cause it's gonna be giga thorough :D
I’m sad ELVUI was really dragging down my FPS. I saw a +20 FPS in raid without ELVUI installed. Hopefully they optimize it better in the future, because I’ve always liked the clean look of it.
@@mysticalos i also play in 4k with all setting maxed out, I've just capped my fps at 80fps. More so for smooth obs recording. Noticed when my fps settings were higher than 80fps, I had very choppy playback with my 4k recordings.
@@theduncanthetank i used elvui since MoP and recently gave it up. im still coping with the loss and quality of life features from elvui but overall i feel unshackled and free. and fps inside a raid environment is just vastly better.
ironically that's how I always said it, but as i said in other videos comments, like 3 people kept correcting me for saying it wrong when i was saying it like model, cause they told me it's pronounced differently when describing the WA feature versus the context you might find for model airplanes or fassion model or 3d model or wahtever. I dunno. i was probably just being trolled by guildies at a point but they kept telling me it's mode el not mod el so in video i said it differently. if it was a troll it was successful 🤣
"Some stuff came up so i didnt have time to finish the recording" he 100% went tanking that guys key, this man has his priorities straight. Subbed
timing is kinda funny but I had recorded about 12 minutes passed that point but ended up scrapping all of it cause alarm distracted my train of thought and it wasn't a clean resume point even with edits. :D
@@mysticalos sch sch sch, i still like to believe you went and helped tank that key 😏
5:35 "What's really cool is game performance"
Goated take. Will be going through all my addons to optimize fps.
there's a thread on the competitivewow subreddit with a google doc with steps to improve performance. one takeaway i saw was that heal prediction on elvui can eat fps, not sure by how much, but if you're not healing thats probably useless. another thing i read elsewhere is that no matter what ui you're using unless its default blizzard, the blizzard raidframes are always loaded. ive heard people disable the elvui raidframes and edit the blizzard ones to look similar to elvui without the performance loss. thanks for the videos guy, hope this helps others
can you link the thread please
Just watched both of your videos about fixing the FPS in retail and it helped me out big time since i'm not that much of a tech guy. Really good work, keep it going my dude!
Lookin much better in this video. I hope you continue this series and by the time Pt. 7 rolls around you look like an absolute gigachad.
Thanks a lot man! This really help me, ADDONS like the Cursor Trail stolen a half of my FPS!
I really appreciate videos on performance and especially ones that explain it well like this and your last video. I just watched your video on addons to use from a few months again where you also explain hitching and disabling high performance cost addons. Definitely subscribing for more, thanks!
Thank you again
When it comes to details i remember asking the question about how big of a difference 0.20 to 3 sec update interval made but didn't get any answers.
In any case i've been using 3 sec update for 1 year and most of the time i'm on the Deaths window anyway, i only swap to dps between wipes
Update interval only changes the update rate on the visual. Actual data collection has to happen in real time and is the most performance intensive part. Visual updates are a small part of the equation and usually just matters when you hit your cpus limit. You can turn off animate bars if you want which will probably help performance. But that's still just the visuals ofc.
Ty for your two videos m8. i shared them with my guild cause we had so much FPS issues witch broodtwister ...
hopefully they will be fixed soon
Thanks for sharing. 3rd video soon. i covered weak auras, other addons, next is just bad and good game settings. I know others have done similar guides but i've watched them i've read them and many good tips but also many not good tips or some tips that are missed. addons and engine are my wheel house, so I feel I can still drop some unique infos that nobody knows yet.
One thing about Plater is to increase the update interval there as well. It's set to the lowest by default I believe, but you can put it up to 0.5 as well. This helped a lot of my guildies with lowend PCs on Broodtwister.
random but where is this setting exactly? cant find it. Thanks.
good tip. thanks
Part 1 of this video had a great affect on me. I was determined to find all the things tanking my FPS. I found that graphics settings were tanking my framerate more than everything else after I got rid of all the Weakaura models.
I watched a Quazil graphics settings video and fixed all the framerate issues. Even something simple like lowering the liquid detail significantly affected how much the frame rate was affected.
Thank you for the video. It made me do the work necessary to make playing the game easier and more fun.
Yeah i've seen his graphics settings video, couple things in it i disagree with though and some things he missed, but it's otherwise still a great video that is very helpful.
I still plan on making similar tomorrow because addons and the engine are actually super my wheel house (i've been tech support mvp for blizzard for 15 years, and have direct line to engine devs and know practically as much about it as an employee). There are things i know i can cover that just haven't been covered yet.
@@mysticalosthank you! glad we're getting another perspective on his graphics video because i also disagree with a few of his suggestions
@@mysticalos -- I would still love to see it. Quazil dabbles in everything and probably isn't exactly a SME (subject matter expert).
I would love to see the opinion of one though.
I did some investigation on my ElvUI after your previous video and here is what I found:
First of all, let me say that when I disable ElvUI completely, I get like +15 fps when in combat, so there is 100% something wron with that addon.
Now, I found that if you disable PORTRAITS in ElvUI (they exist as optional settings in nameplates/UnitFrame etc) you get a performance boost, that must be related to your previous video observation about models. I had portrait enabled in my target unitframe and when I disabled it, suddeny my fps got better.
I hope more ElvUI users see this comment and also push the ElvUI devs to further investigate their addon performance in general, I love ElvUI and I dont want to replace it
Additionally, I used a performance check addon (CPU usage etc) in-game and I found out another addon that utilizes CPU aggresively for no reason, that is MegaMacro.
Last week in our raid heroic I had to disable mine and tweak on the fly my vanilla UI to do the worm… I went from 20 to 70 fps lol…
You are aware that they know that portraits are a performance hit and have a guide for optimizing performance which explicitly states to disable portraits? Heck, portraits on nameplates were too great of a performance hit so they disabled them completely about a year ago.
I experienced the same thing with UnitFrame portraits, glad to know I'm not an enigma
i had 40 fps on pull with BL when elvui was enabled, without it i went up to 70 fps on pull with bloodlust. as someone who has been using elvui since MoP and havent played a single second of wow without it, its time to give that garbage up.
@@theroyalcam I am on the same boat but I cant find a good alternative for chat/map/actionbars look n feel
Yo, this is your springboard, keep making great content!
ElvUi Dev put out a post on how to fix performance issues with right elvui settings here:
x.com/Luckyone961/status/1843256715917050331
Please continue commenting and giving feedback on other addon experiences or issues you've found affected your performance. I'm still collecting feedback for more things to test, and pass onto blizzard as well as more things I can maybe help with such as going over settings of game or addons.
I'll be uploading a part 3 going over settings that kill fps, and how best tricks to getting most performance out of game, when you've already culled in or disabled addons. That was also gonna be in this video but my alarm got set off during recording and then things got chaotic so I ended up editing that mess out and i'll record settings in a separate video. probably for best anyways as it was nearly a 40 minute video, best split (and probably restructured) to not be as long and more quick going through settings anyways.
When I go over settings though I plan to be more in depth and technical than most but still in simple terms because I have a greater understanding of engine than most and can really help with tweaks most others who do graphics settings videos miss.
I use elvui and after i disable raid frames and switch to blizz default my fps were more stable and less laggy
Thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to part 3. I'm not a computer guy sadly, so it takes time for me to learn more. Right now I've just been running whatever settings my Nvidia optimizes. It seems most of my settings are all maxed out, but I love knowing exactly what each graphical setting does for graphical quality vs performance.
Even after Blizzards UI overhaul, stuff like Plater just is too powerful to entirely drop, especially when you play competetively, same goes for WeakAuras, Blizzards UI still does a poor Job tracking Buffs/Procs and certain other things, so the only thing we can do is Optimize the hell out of those AddOns.
If you use Vuhdo and Skada, both are terribly optimized and just basically patched, but not maintained.
Don't understand why TWW have fps issues, did they change something that we don't know?
Goodluck going to the Elvui devs and saying anything is wrong with it. That Flamanis person is extremely aggressive towards anyone that asks for help for some reason.
Don’t get the appeal of elvui also, one of the most overrated addons
That’s great, elvui is a useless addon when we got WA + edit mode. Let their users lag.
@Mas-ij3ti yeah I've been thinking of ditching elv ui. It has turned I to a dumpster fire
Yeah I mainly used it for party and raid frame customizations so I can see heal absorbs, but now I'm thinking I'll just switch to another frame addon
for longest time i've been wanting to get rid of elvui, and the main use of elvui for me (dont laught) is the accounting of gold on all chars. is there any addon that can track your gold on all characters?
I was already using the most optimal graphic settings , but your previous video helped me a great deal ! Didnt know about the weakaura model thing , i had 1 in my class WA and 1 in the dragonflying weakaura thing . Deleted both of them , no WA crash or anything , they still work perfectly but i got even more than 10-20 fps increase . Its insane . I was looking forward a video like this (lol actually i found you yesterday by searching for ElvUI optimization ) . So thank you very much , doing great work for the community !
ha nice. glad i seo optimized that video. heh
Damn, I love ElvUI, so easy to setup when everything is on the same addon!
try the settings recommended by author of it on twitter. i think i put his post in video comments or description somewhere
So I use threat plates and decided to disable the widgets that show auras and other extra info, since this fps drop started happening.
I found yesterday that shadowed unit frames also had a huge impact on my perf in its stock config. My fps at 1440p standing in the middle of dornogal went from around 50fps to 90-100fps
maybe the animated models. i think i disable those years ago.
@@mysticalos yeah im pretty sure that would be it, just havent had the time to try around yet
I dont have fps problems but I had these annoying little stutters while flying around in the open world (excluding major cities they always lag). I stumbled across a Elden Ring video where disabling cpu 0 boosts fps massively. I tried it for wow and my stuttering is completely gone. You can do this with task manager while wow is running, but this doesnt persist. You can use process lasso or process governer to make it persistent. I think there is also a cvar ingame called processaffinitymask but I dont know which value is required to disable cpu 0.
I was going insane this season with my fps (even tho I have a "super" computer). Thank you sooo much!
Thanks for the update Asmonsilver
This guy needs more subs!
Also, what Mac are you playing wow on? Never see anyone on macOS
@MysticalOS
Very impressed by your video trilogy, good work. But a few questions:
1. Why game on Mac?
2. Do you have a list of addons to avoid/better alternatives?
3. Any more old "tips" to debunk?
4. What addons do you use/reccomend? I see what looks like titanbar at the top, curious about that one in particular
Thought I replied but guess it got eaten. I use mac just cause i'm used to it. It's where i do my development. Mac has also come a long way with apple silicon. It's pretty beast.
The addons I list can be worked with you just have to fine tune settings. lucky posted optimial settings for elvui on twitter and i THINK I link it in description? that will help wth elvui performance. details and plater you can change update frequency to help. if you do need lighter weight nameplates though maybe kuinameplates
@@mysticalos Cheers I'll have a look, I've used Kui nameplates for years but still trying to work out why I'm on 20 fps in raids
Long story which I feel is my civic duty to post here: I’ve been obsessed with the cpu optimization game ever since DF S4 pre patch when my fps tanked. Prior to that I was running wow on a default 8 graphics setting with nothing additional tweaked and was locked at 60fps 1080p (due to monitor display rate) and would experience NO DIPS in frame rate with the exception of valdrakken and certain hectic world events. Raiding was fine. This is with a ryzen 5600 and rx 6600, a budget gaming pc.
Since then, around TWW release, I’ve upgraded my monitor to 1440p ultrawide and have had to significantly decrease my graphics quality, which I was willing to do because hey, it’s 1440p ultrawide on a budget build, so what do you expect? But then after playing other games and not having to adjust my quality at all I started to scratch my head. It didn’t make sense that wow, a 20 year old game, was dipping so hard. I was running elvui, details, plater, raider.io, dbm, WA, bagnon, tomtom, and a bunch of handynotes, as well as other various addons I can’t remember. Since then I’ve cut down to:
-Dbm + dungeon pack
-Shadowed unit frames
-Plater
Details w/ 3 sec update time (I’m a tank so idrc and don’t check it super often anyway, just between pulls)
-weak auras with quaziis DH pack and causese TWW dungeons (no raid, I haven’t been raiding much and if I do I install it and uninstall after)
-cursor trail
And that’s it. And I’m averaging around 100-115mb addon memory. CPU usage is like 35mb/s. And I’m still looking for ways to cut it down! But, when I was running all that crap before it was 250mb addon memory. I might delete SUI too if I find out it’s costing me frames, and maybe I’ll even switch to skada instead of details. But yeah, unfortunately with the state of the game now, especially if you’ve got a middle of the road CPU and can’t upgrade it, definitely go minimal if you want the frames! If you can play without plater, do it! Unfortunately I’m addicted to it, but yeah. And if you can play without class WA packs I’d recommend that too, as currently that’s about 50% of my addon cpu usage. End rant lol
Depending on the hardware Hekili and other rotation helpers can also tank your performance.
I use Quazii plater as well but it's having any plater enabled at all shows more drops than having no plater. I used his plater in DF and had no issues, I downloaded his new plater for TWW as well but have had frame drops whenever lots of nameplates are on screen.
Maybe try turning off some of extra scripts on the scripts tab. Especially ones that have to do with aura tracking for spells that aren't your own maybe?
not quite the same topic, but I was having screen freezes when tabbing out WoW and between monitors, after buying new ones. I was playing around with all kinds of settings in-game to no avail. I seem to have fixed it by disabling G-Sync in the driver settings.
man i'm having the exact same issue. thanks for the tip I'll try that tonight.
I asked the Details devs about the update rate, they said it made no real difference to lower it
odd. i’ve heard many say it helps.
@@mysticalos It would be difficult to test too unless it has major gains, with all the variables in wow content. I say it doesn't hurt to lower it. No one needs that many updates anyway
you the man, subbed.
A plater profile was the reason for me what killed my fps
I think you can try a diff profile, or change update rate of it. or disable some of the debuff tracking things you don't need since aura tracking on nameplates is expensive.
Ive not yet watched the video. But I have a 160(locked) steady fps in Timewalking dungeons (wrath) which are obviously not taxing without addons, but when I enable all of them I lose like 50-60 fps. Most of my addons are 'lightweight' and I can't seem to find the culprit to my much lower fps.. The weakauras I use do not use "models" or backgrounds, its mostly just text, or an icon displayed. Any ideas?
Addons that I use:
Advanced interface Options (mostly for changing the lag tolerance, less delay on keypresses)
BattleGroundEnemies (easier to track targets in battlegrounds)
BetterBlizzFrames & BetterBlizzPlates (unit nameplates & buffs+debuffs on targets)
Capping (timer addon primarily for battlegrounds / Blitz)
Details
Diminish (Diminishing Return tracker on nameplates)
FrameSort (sets u as bottom always regardless of who ever is in your group)
Gladius (arena frames/tracks DR, trinkets)
Handynotes TWW + Dragonglyphs
jButtonFlash (flashy keybutton presses)
Leatrix Maps (map addon)
OmniAuras (Like BigDebuffs, but also tracks whenever u use a defensive on partyframes/raidframes)
OmniBar (Tracks enemy cooldowns)
OmniCD (Tracks party cooldowns)
tullaRange (makes ur actionbuttons red if ur not in range)
MoveAny (lets u move frames, I use it mainly to move the LFG eye icon when you queue for a dungeon or BG / arena) to the minimap.
Shadowlands Micro Menu (makes ur micromenu, characterpanel/achievement etc looking like it did prior to Dragonflight)
Weakauras:
Mes Arena CD's (audio & tracks what cooldowns people press, mostly in arena)
Externals on You (if a healer uses an external on me, regardless of setting)
Teea Danger Alerts (tracks cooldowns in arena, and who they are targeting)
Healer CC (shows whenever my healer is in a crowdcontrol, primarily in arena)
Edit: I do have bugsack, but I really don't know how to read it. I have tons of mention when it comes to Advancedinterfaceoptions, Diminish, Gladius, BlizzardAuctionbar?! BattlegroundEnemies etc.
Granted they are days old.
Edit 2.
My pc specs are:
16gb ram 3200mhz
2060 super
ryzen 7 3700x
u have basically 5 addons for the same thing no wonder your fps is dropping
@@0grdt Not really the same thing. For example Omnibar tracks when the cooldown is ready again, the weakaura Teea shows the uptime of it, and who they're targetting. However, all of them are loaded only in rated pvp. The lag im experiencing is as stated, in dungeons (timewalking coz timewalking week, lvling)
Hi sir! I wanted to thank you for your effort to help the community out!
Would you like to share your Plater and SUF profiles?
SUF i just turn portraits off cause they are using models (so performance hit) and plater I just use quazii's profile with some tweaks to my own preference
I have LUA errors with the default WOW UI when i want to custom my UI. as example moving my actionbar or my mini map i get a LUA Error.. should i instal wow new?
I deleted some WA's with models, and while that did help some... I still lagged & drop my fps down drastically on certain raid bosses. I use elvui, plater, & details. I also use Quazi's plater and I just upped my details from .2 to 1. Not sure what really to change on elvui. I do have a question for you though. I am running into issues where I just drop target mid fight. Like I'm a hunter, shouldn't ever not target the boss once we start combat, and I will push my spells only for them not to work because i'm not targeting the boss anymore. It always happens the same time my fps drops really low. Any ideas what might be causing that? I know thats hurting my dps for sure.
Using a cpu analyzer UI addons are pretty heavy. SUI includes was my heaviest, 2x my entire WA package in a raid.
Does exist some addon that will manage which addons will run in dungeon, in open world or raid enviroment? for example when i have normal graphic settings for open world and m+, and then separate for raid, i want only few addons to run in raid automatically.
Bigdebuffs, betterblizzframes, masque when modifying blizzards buff & debuffs tends to be VERY heavy in raid
can you share, somehow, you graphic setup on your mac? just a screenshot or something from the settings ingame?
just watched the end of the video. so i'm waiting for pt. 3 then :D
i just disabled everything on elvui, i only enable chat, unitframes (raid frames disabled too) and action bars and its fine
Could you maybe make a video about the "best" graphics setting to get the most FPS possible? I read somewhere else that disabling e.g. Target FPS is not helping to increase FPS because of the engine etc. Would really appreciate your knowledge on that end.
actually doing that next. in fact it was supposed to be in part 2, but then my alarm got set off DURING recording and then by time I got back it was getting late so i snipped what was already recorded and ruined and shipped just the first 7 min talking about other addons..
anyways i'll rerecord that after a good sleep and some fresh editing.
enabling max foreground fps in the game gave me less fps and more stutter versus capping fps with an external tool like rivatuner, same thing with enabling vsync ingame.
generally max foreground shouldn’t be used if you’re using any driver controlled features like gsync or freesync. but if either available they’re useful tools. but yeah def don’t use em with external driver management at same time it’ll cause issues.
When i get a whisper ingame ( i use WIM adon) i always get a annoying whisper tab from that person (wow default) that i have to click away how did you not get that?
that's an option in default game options. they cyhanged default. open blizzard options not addons, search for whisper and change it from new tab to "inline"
After using ElvUI with my own profiles since *Cata* I ditched it for the new stock UI since the DF prepatch. The FPS gains in raid were Huge. I have Details set to a low/slow update period, and I Hate plater, I run KUI Nameplates with my custom profile.
kui is a great alternative. i use plater mostly for m+ premade profiles like quazii’s
@@mysticalos Yea that's fair. I don't like that kind of plater Myself. There is too much "Noise" visually. It's like someone blew up a skittles factory.
It's not ElvUI it self, it's the fact people download it, move the elements and nothing else, or just uses another persons profile for it, but never actually goes in and optimizes the different elements, like UI shadows, bar smoothing, showing permanent buffs, not optimizing what debuffs show up for them... If you apply debuffs naturally through your rotation, you do not need to see that debuff, if you use plater, do it in that addon instead and so on so forth... 3D portraits.. My ElvUI is a fps increase from retail UI, just actually take your time to look through the options in the addon.
yeah. if you open my video description i added lucky tweet as soon as i saw it so users could find recommended settings
What addon do you use to get there player and target frames like this? I always go back to Tuk/Elv for it, but I wish I could remove 99% of the rest
I have no clue why, but i actually get more fps using elvui than disabling it...
There can be trick to, I only use elvui for unitframes, because blizzard one sucks hard when it comes to tracking buffs/debuffs/cds etc. (also sucks when it comes to filtering useless into lub having stamina buff from priest, I don't need that info taking away space during combat from other actually important stuff).
I have disabled every single other thing, not using maps, nameplates, skins, chat, datatexts or bars etc. I literally use only unitframes.
Any suggestions for replacing the debuff indicator on nameplates when ditching ElvUI for the base UI? It’s the only thing that keeps me using ElvUI
probably just a nameplate addon like kui nampelates for lighter weight or plater for heavy duty features and more sharable user profiles.
@@mysticalos thanks! What about unit frames? I think that’s what I might have meant 😅
shadowed unit frames much lighter weight, but can also sometimes be slow to be updated on new patches cause author doesn't play game anymore and gives limited time to mod updates so that's only caveat i'd say.
i have 300 fps outside of major cities, but the moment i go into Dornogal my fps drops to 80. dont get me started when we pull queen ansurek with more than 20 people. playing mythic fights with 40 fps is not fun.
Edit: the addons i use are shadowed uns, details (1s intervals), bartender, decursive, weakaura and bigwigs. i dont use a class weakaura and never had issues with weakaura in general.
Yeah, i really wish they had gotten engine improvements in they wanted to do for dragonflight that got canceled due to greedy execs. burns my goat to think about performance we didn't get cause someone needed a Q4 bonus. i can mostly keep at 60fps in raids but yeah it's still annoying that i can enjoy 120 everywhere else but soon as i'm in a city or a raid, might as well lock it to 60. i just lock it to 60 at all times for frame consistency cause going back and forth is jarring.
that said, i basically run 60 ultra at 4k minus raytracing and compute shaders cause they're wasteful resources with little gain.
This is almost the eact same setup that I use, except I use elvui instead of bartender
Do you have Raytracing turned on? Or Physics effects for all NPCs - because that can TANK your fps.
I highly recommend to activate vsync or set a limit to your fps based on your monitor. So if you have 60Hz Monitor = 60FPS. Otherwise youre pushing your gpu to limits which is not needed. My GPU can produce 300 FPS as well but the GPU is then at 85°. The engine is bugged for some reason.
@@0grdt I noticed the frame drops only happened on fights with a crazy amount of adds (Tindral mythic in Amir and Ovi'nax mythic in Nerub), but I just checked my plater settings and the nameplates had an update interval of 0.005. Yeah... changed that to 0.25 and gonna raid tonight to see how much that's changed my fps lol
I have conducted some tests on my setup regarding the mentioned addons:
I am getting around 40-50fps in Dornagal, specifically in front of the auction house. After disabling Plater and ElvUI in my addons, I didn’t notice any performance change. This made me realize that I was quite concerned about performance when setting up my ElvUI profile. It doesn’t have any animated portraits or any other fancy stuff; it’s very clean and functional. As for Plater, I am using Naowh's profile, so there’s not much to say about it. The only thing I can mention is that my fps stayed the same even after disabling the addon. Just to remind you, I have a 4070 and an Intel Core i5-11400F.
Let me know if you need me to run more tests on my setup! I’m available to test more things regarding this. I find it odd that a relatively good setup like this struggles so much to run this game, while Cyberpunk runs at 144fps with everything on ultra... By the way, I’ve been wondering if it wouldn’t be interesting to integrate DLSS 3, just like they integrated RTX in WoW...
Also let me know if those feebacks's not helping at all lol
Dornogal infront of the Auction House, dosn't really represent any meaningful performance test, since the really performance hungry events are not triggering (Plater HP Bars, ElvUI Party/Raid Frames) etc. the easiest test is to que up LFR and check on a actual raidboss
@@maxp.7612 Thanks for the advice. i'll make test with and without the addons for performace test.
this. dorn test just tests how badly cpu bound game is around crowds. 🤣
WoW is still running on an ancient dogshit engine and every single new expansion that drops, the overall gameplay performance goes down yet the game still visually looks the same. We started getting stutters in the main city of valdrakken in dragonflight, it was bad but the stuttering in dornogal is next level. At this point im 100% sure the game is just HORRIBLY optimized and the devs either refuse to acknowledge it or they know they cant do anything about it without changing the game engine.
Personally i think the performance we're getting in this game nowadays is just unacceptable, its actually so so bad.
I'm not an Elvui shill, but the guy who said Elvui tanked his FPS to 3 probably doesn't have higher than 30 FPS to begin with. Elvui is the last of his problems
Also the problem very likely lies within the extreme settings inside of Elvui, instead of just Elvui itself, like character portraits etc.
do you have something similar for classic wow?
it’s pretty much same checks. same engine same addons. so if this video doesn’t hemp
maybe one going over settings or weak auras will
@@mysticalos okay,thanks for response
@@mysticalos You got any suggestions for semi spiky stutters that happens even without any addons in the folder? Tried different PCs and they all have the same type of stuttering. Usually it happens when standing still and then suddenly turning the camera, mounting up, engaging combat, opening in game panels/windows, people joining/leaving groups etc.
Lucky for me i dont have issues at all with any addons. Probably because i make my own profiles for every addon and i dont just download naowh ui mega package
yeah i really am not a big fan of user made packs. especially ones that aren’t addon authors. but i get that they are popular and why
Well the issue is that WOW is not using 100% of GPU&CPU so reducing intervals and stuffs are not helping when the game engine is old...!
Yes and no. Wow is certainly not coded to leverage the core count modern cpus have. it generally has enough work scheduled to keep 2-3 cores busy. the problem is what parts of code are multi threaded or not. the graphics engine generally is to an extent but the addon/ui threads are not. the problem, the ui/addon threads run on the graphics threads. so the engine is massive bogged down...by the UI. including the base Ui. but most certainly compounded by addons. this means that even if the scheduler for actual graphics is multi threaded, it gets caught up on the UI bogging everything down.
this was supposed to be fixed for dragonflight, but was canceled cause pushing DF out 1 month earlier was better for shareholders. and this likely won't change anytime soon since MS isn't much better in terms of who they cater to.
But long short of it is, we as user have to deal with it, and tips given are best way cause we need to mitigate Ui load as much as possible for the renderers sake
Im sure what people do ElvUI "design" like dogshit and get dropping fps. Seriously, its like WA models. When we start discus about that huge addons like WA and Elv, we must keep in mind what single part of them can be problem, not all. Disable 3d models, increase refresh period, turn off smooth bars - you're awesome and get about zero percentage impact on your cpu via elv.
Srsly, you're not deleting addon weakauras cuz one of auras dropping frames, right? So why you wanna delete elv if something just missconfiged?
I agreed with most takes in this and previous vid, but that part burned me out. Hope what ppl someday will start configurating things what they encountering, 'cuz this world not so simple.
Anyways thx for video.
I never said to delete elvui (I might have mentioned some commenters did).
I directly encouraged users to reach out with their settings and issues to developers to find out what's going wrong. Some commenters said they deleted it and used something diff and I wasn't gonna disagree with their results or wants. that said I'm pretty sure I put the developer response in video description and in one of comments to outline they have responded with what specific settings are problematic.
I do think in future it'd probably benefit them greatly to add warnings to their UI about the specific offending settings such as "this enables x, but has performance impact"
But yeah i never blamed weak auras or elvui for being bad addons and said more than likely they're accessing something specific that isn't performant.
@@mysticalos yeah, sure. Tbh, Im wrote my comment in affect by looking in comment section, not your vid. Apologize if I confuse you.
My hurt here is just reluctance most of people to learn deeper here. At least, it's interesting part and grow up their skills, and also it's about their self comfort.
p.s. - Im sure what we really need warnings about usage in tooltips/windows on all heavy load parts. WA, Elv, Plater teams do great works, hard works, but sadly they have a coder-mind, and most devs simply forgot what not all know what refresh time in every frame have dependence for loads, et cetera.
p.p.s. - right now I'll go to check up third vid, thx for work, mate :)
For details, the option under Bars: General that reads as "Fast updates" gave me performance issues as well. Turning that off, and setting update interval to .8 helped immensely for me
Good to know
I have FPS being tanked by Unitframes, i really dislike the base player unitframe and its just unplayable on some fights, what alternatives wont eat my CPU?
I use shadowed unit frames but there may be others.
I use shadowed unitframes and they're working well for me
NOOO I LOVE ELVUI SHIIIET
Considering I have details hidden (simply alpha set to 0) during combat, it was good to learn I could set that slider all the way up. It wasn't a noticeable difference, but it's something.
For me, the biggest impact on WoW performance is definitely resolution. It's not just about graphics performance, on the contrary, with a higher resolution, it should go more to the GPU than to the CPU, and that doesn't happen in Wow.
I play 2/4K ultra-wide and it's a total disaster even with a high-end setup.
Wow unfortunately has a terribly outdated engine and addons/weak auras don't help it. The fact that the game does not include DLSS speaks volumes for its status.
When I set the resolution scale to 1080p, I don't actually experience any FPS drops.
I9 14900k
RTX 4090
DDR5 64GB
NVME 2.0
the game not having DLSS or FSR 2/3 or XeSS definitely holds it back. But it does have FSR 1 and it's super useful to pushing higher resolutions. FSR 1 does have a bug on some windows machines though where it doesn't work or actually tanks performance though. But if you aren't on one of those machines then if you have a 4k machine I suggest setting render scale to 75% and setting sampling to FSR 1.0. it'll get a nice performance boost without introducing any notable artifacting or shimmering that you typically see with more aggressive FSR. it'd basically of high balanced/low quality preset in most other games. you could also try 66 or 50^% render scale to push more frames but at that point you may lose sharpness on grass edges
LoL was made in 2008, so like 4 yrs after wow? Yet even a gtx 1080 can hold 240 fps with maxed out settings at 1080p (i know cuz i am doing that now). Lol's optimization is great while wow's is trash. Both games look like shit when compared to stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 or Black Myth Wukong, so neither has an excuse to not have 240 fps with a half decent gpu. Blizzard is just cheap or idk what. How are they so bad at optimization?
@@mysticalos using fsr ingame tanks my fps, but if i do it from driver level i have no problems
yeah there is a bug where certain hardware has fps issues with FSR instead of boosts. i'm gonna dig into it more to see why that's not fixed yet. it's a huge gain IF it works. good that you can still activate it at driver.
Elvui has been a culprit for a longtime, its old spaghetti code and still tanks fps hard despite there they saying it doesn't do that, there pretty wrong there. I removed it and went simple with addons that I find useful now I have stable fps instead of it becomes a stutter fest.
thanks asmon, loved the first part and now you just doubled down!
Uninstalling Elvui has been a game changer for me. Finally decided to take the plunge after more than a decade and the game has never been smoother. Went with a combination of dominos, Cell, Cell unit frames, Leatrix plus. I still keep weakauras and plater as these are at least manageable IMO.
Was thinking of doing a similar thing. Did your fps/lag improve? Because my thoughts are, that if I need to install 3-4 or more Addons wouldn't they ultimately be a heavier hit to performance than the Addon which combines it all?!
@@imhortalNo
There's an optimization guide for ElvUI (mainly around polling/reducing update rates).
Yep, it should be linked in description
Elvui was good back then, not anymore. I used elvui for 2 years, and now I'm so happy that I ditched it. Swap for plater + cell. Don't bother with their late updates or aggressive attitude anymore
With or without addon it runs like shit, nothing improve fps. i test everything. thanks for the advice anyway
what hardware specs you using? might be able to recommend some tweaks
best way to fix your laggy addons is to install a bunch that are functionally similar (for example a dps meter like details, skada, recount, etc) and profiling them with a memory usage addon such as addon usage or broker.
WAs also have a built-in profiling tool with the commands /wa pstart, /wa pstop, & /wa pprint
true. i almost always lean to lighter weight but also factor in features. to not make too many concessions. ie if it’s lighter because it does less it’s not always better. you weight your needs and options.
Yo Asmongold just wanna say big thank you for all of your guides. My FPS are stable now, appreciated
idk how this is a surprise to any1. Addons are poorly coded scripts, it's best blizzard just bans all addons and make the game good and useable by itself instead.
you realize almost all the examples I gave on performance issues with addons, are caused by blizzard bugs with stock ui right? Models hurting performance? it's not even just addons, stockui too. why do you think your performance dumpsters in a crowded city. Player models. Yeah some fancy animations and calculation stuff like having plater or details update frequently definitely introduce performance issues, but most issues are caused by the lack of good performance in the stock api/ui. So shifting blame off blizzard because existing problems are made worse by addons isn't productive. Hold blizzard more accountable. You did get one thing on head and that's base Ui should absolutely be better because addons shouldn't feel mandatory to fix basic functionality that should be built in though.
@@mysticalos Ofc the game is old, and over time it feels like the engine hasn't modernized enough, to me. For instance, I get more fps on my Mac mini with a cpu test than my pc. Despite my pc having much more cores etc. For a 2024 game it's awfully dependent on a single thread and as a result my gpu is barely utilized at all -- especially i the cities. Cyberpunk uses every thread I have, a true modern game in that sense. Blizzard could and should fix it, but they won't. Not saying it's easy but he, they're the ones receiving subscriptions for a pay2win game, even mobile game developers are jealous on how they pulled that one AND their fans being low iq enough to not see the connection of buying gold with buying progress aka pay2win.
And addons, while not all (like one bag) wreak havoc on gameplay as well, like weakauras, DBM, etc, despite not all doing it ALL should be banned, no addons. I haven't really played since bfa (besides some benchmark runs), but I remember from BFA that people could not heroic or even normal raid without them, legitimately could not survive a minute even. And now the 20th anniversary raid in LFR we wipe lmao.
The average wow player is so bad at the game, it's incredible, ofc I am as well now, haven't touched it in years. & the addons are essentially telling them what to do and playing for them, they are light cheats and for that reason alone should be banned all together. But also because it's very off putting to new / returning players -- which is me. Which is why the retail wow fanbase only shrinks (and becomes more hardcore as a result) and has to milk their remaining fans harder and harder, ie "early" access, 80euro mounts etc.
Banning all addons should also incentive Blizzard to make their ui / fights not the mess it is today. It won't happen and ultimately, I don't really care. With the dumbest decision ever at the end of Legion to introduce ilvl scaling and later level scaling and even later fully removing player progress (levels, ilvls etc) it basically died.
It is not an mmo, it's not an rpg, it has a crap story, boomer hotkey and laggy gameplay, it's pay2win, I mean these retail developers are just riding on the success of others, good for them I guess.
to be fair, if it's an apple silicon mac mini. apple silicon in some regards is miles ahead of intel and AMD right now. only one even close to catching up is probably nvidia soon. you're comparing far more efficient chips based on 3nm architecture to 14 or 10nm intel chips or 7nm amd ones. intel is finally ditching their own fob process or same company doing apples so their next cpus can finally be 6nm.
as of this comment, apple M4 is actually fastest cpu on market. of course apple pales in comparison to gpu space on PC but when it comes to wow, cpu is king. there is a reason my macbook pro actually runs wow crazy good.
@@mysticalos Ofc, but that's the thing, Intel, AMD and Nvidia are all stuck in the past. It's not 2010, why use 10/14nm?? & Especially Nvidia - a trillion dollar company has no excuse using ancient designs. And Intel and AMD, well, they keep using x86, to each their own -- at last a carbon tax will put an end to it anyway. Apple's M4 gpu is about 10x more efficient than Nvidia's 3000series, so about 4-5x more efficient than their 4000series. Be interesting what they cook up with the 5000series but I'm betting its more energy sucking garbage for Windows. As you can tell I'm not really a fan of pc hardware and haven't been since Apple Silicon. I'm still waiting to get a pro or max chip Mac as I only really need that for gaming and retail wow sucks massive dick since end of Legion so idk. No reason atm. I still have a pc as well but each day I'm closer to seller that x86 waste of sand.
Almost like blizzard should think about restricting addons and updating their actual interface options
Not addons, my system was getting great fps in wow for years with my addons, then war within drops and my fps absolutely suck ass! This is on blizzard with all the new video settings and worthless crap they been doing. Why why why! Now I have to upgrade my cpu just to play this stupid game 😂😂😂
certain apis and models did get slower. just because an addon worked before doesn’t mean it doesn’t tank performance now. and yes that is on blizzard but until they fix it it’s still important to work around problematic features. and i have a separate video going over settings
@@mysticalosI’ll check it out thank you
@@mysticalos if I go outside of dorn I get near 200 inside 60..😢
I am simply convinced no matter if your pc is worth 10k or 1k, there will always be major fps drop in major cities.
And yes my pc is worth 10k, with addons or without i am always seeing major fps drops.
not entirely wrong. cpu bound to all hell. but admittedly I still do alright. but i'll show in my 3rd video (was part of 2nd but moved to 3rd due to a whole mess of stuff), that I can still hold fairly steady above 60 but easily shoot up to 120 outside of cities and raids. typically it's why i cap at 60 and just enjoy highest 4k fidelity. strike perfect balance so i'm keeping gpu bound while staying within limits of being cpu bound.
settings video probably still gonna be 20-30 min cause it's gonna be giga thorough :D
I’m sad ELVUI was really dragging down my FPS. I saw a +20 FPS in raid without ELVUI installed. Hopefully they optimize it better in the future, because I’ve always liked the clean look of it.
@@mysticalos i also play in 4k with all setting maxed out, I've just capped my fps at 80fps. More so for smooth obs recording. Noticed when my fps settings were higher than 80fps, I had very choppy playback with my 4k recordings.
@@theduncanthetank i used elvui since MoP and recently gave it up. im still coping with the loss and quality of life features from elvui but overall i feel unshackled and free. and fps inside a raid environment is just vastly better.
Oh wow! He learned how to say model correctly in between videos.
ironically that's how I always said it, but as i said in other videos comments, like 3 people kept correcting me for saying it wrong when i was saying it like model, cause they told me it's pronounced differently when describing the WA feature versus the context you might find for model airplanes or fassion model or 3d model or wahtever. I dunno. i was probably just being trolled by guildies at a point but they kept telling me it's mode el not mod el so in video i said it differently. if it was a troll it was successful 🤣
buy a ryzen 7 7800x3d and load all ur WA shits and play 120fps 30 man raids :)
are you paying? i can give you my paypal