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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • Featuring Jayadev Athreya on a new discovery about platonic solids, in particular dodecahedra... Extra footage: • Yellow Brick Road and ...
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  • @numberphile
    @numberphile  4 года назад +290

    Extra animations: ruclips.net/video/hpNPPqm1EMc/видео.html
    Yellow Brick Road Sticker and T-Shirts: teespring.com/yellow-brick-numberphile
    More resources on the project: userhome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/aulicino/dodecahedron/

    • @whatisthis2809
      @whatisthis2809 4 года назад +2

      How was your day?

    • @jamesmuldoon1427
      @jamesmuldoon1427 4 года назад

      G'day

    • @kasajizo8963
      @kasajizo8963 4 года назад +5

      Yo Numberphile what happened to James Grime

    • @anastasiaklyuch2746
      @anastasiaklyuch2746 4 года назад +7

      How LONG did it take to make those animations? You really did a great job!

    • @ZeroOskul
      @ZeroOskul 4 года назад

      A triangular hexacontahedron is also a regular solid.

  • @qlqnen
    @qlqnen 4 года назад +2889

    Jayadev: "Pac-Man might be a reference from too long ago."
    Brady: "Asteroids!"

    • @moth.monster
      @moth.monster 4 года назад +162

      To be fair, Pac-Man is still a cultural icon. Most kids probably know about it still.

    • @korenn9381
      @korenn9381 4 года назад +23

      @@moth.monsterYeah they do, there's a relatively new animation series about pac man.

    • @jacobdial2448
      @jacobdial2448 4 года назад +6

      My mind did go to the half a press video

    • @chickeyy1792
      @chickeyy1792 4 года назад +3

      @@korenn9381 Pixels?

    • @Joiner113
      @Joiner113 4 года назад +2

      @@korenn9381 there is?? Why

  • @rif6876
    @rif6876 4 года назад +2488

    Out on a 1st date. "So what do you do?"
    "I solved a 2000 year old problem on how to avoid your neighbors. Mathematically. My tattoo will explain it."

    • @uganasilverhand
      @uganasilverhand 4 года назад +59

      Of course, there goes any non-mathematician date.

    • @jetison333
      @jetison333 4 года назад +79

      Oh man if my date did that, I would be in love.

    • @Ceelvain
      @Ceelvain 4 года назад +60

      @@uganasilverhand Many women would love a guy passionated about his field and able to explain it well.

    • @uganasilverhand
      @uganasilverhand 4 года назад +33

      @@Ceelvain the wife's always asking me to stop talking about math, computers, and science

    • @rif6876
      @rif6876 4 года назад +17

      Didn't asteroids have a hyperspace button that transported you to a random spot?
      Sounds a lot like punching through a facet, traveling inside the solid, and punching out to the surface again.

  • @macnolds4145
    @macnolds4145 4 года назад +3198

    The featured mathematician is a uniquely elegant and fluid communicator. Also, the animations were tremendously illustrative and enjoyable. Loved it.

    • @alveolate
      @alveolate 4 года назад +51

      including the animated Hannah Fry jogging?

    • @stuiesmb
      @stuiesmb 4 года назад +67

      macnolds you could tell how well he understood this subject by how he could break it down into discrete parts and explain each aspect simply. Very charismatic and obviously very intelligent guy. A real treat to watch

    • @sleepytimekoolaid
      @sleepytimekoolaid 4 года назад +22

      @@alveolate *especially* the Hannah Fry jogging.

    • @kemp10
      @kemp10 4 года назад +2

      Did you squint really hard when the jogger was on screen?

    • @NoName-zn1sb
      @NoName-zn1sb 4 года назад +1

      ... Kind of

  • @staglomagnifico5711
    @staglomagnifico5711 4 года назад +242

    "One of the central tensions in the Little Prince, other than the loss of childhood innocence, ..."
    I love how he just glosses over that

  • @phodder
    @phodder 4 года назад +411

    12:20 Was anyone else expecting him to turn around and lift his shirt to expose a back piece of 120 pentagons?

  • @cadeharris4631
    @cadeharris4631 4 года назад +1723

    Jayadev Athreya was my calculus teacher last year, super chill dude never thought I'd see him in a Numberphile video, small world I guess.

    • @samueltaylor9935
      @samueltaylor9935 4 года назад +27

      ayyyyy a UW fellow

    • @pentuplove6542
      @pentuplove6542 4 года назад +6

      Shows the Rockefeller Education System works at making people unthinking.

    • @General12th
      @General12th 4 года назад +50

      @@pentuplove6542 What?

    • @joshuarosen6242
      @joshuarosen6242 4 года назад +63

      @@pentuplove6542 Er, what? Would I be correct in thinking that you didn't do very well in the education system?

    • @iamcleaver6854
      @iamcleaver6854 4 года назад +2

      What os his nationality? Persian? That is a strange name.

  • @JNCressey
    @JNCressey 4 года назад +2361

    "There's the cube - everyone knows the cube."
    Just platonically though, right?

    • @PedanticAntics
      @PedanticAntics 4 года назад +19

      JNCressey this should have more likes

    • @bonob0123
      @bonob0123 4 года назад +49

      BIBLICALLY

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 4 года назад +9

      Unless you're the Curator from _Gravitas._ We all know he's dry-humping the cubes instead of making new galleries, which is why the game is so short.

    • @subnormality5854
      @subnormality5854 4 года назад +12

      -sad cube noises-

    • @domlee5902
      @domlee5902 4 года назад +6

      This is hilarious

  • @yourface4248
    @yourface4248 4 года назад +607

    I like this man. he went through insane amount of mental gymnastics to show the world his tattoo.

    • @madkirk7431
      @madkirk7431 4 года назад +6

      Ikr

    • @webgpu
      @webgpu 2 года назад

      @Fremen unlike a certain "generation" of youngsters (and some oldass dudes too) who mark their bodies as if they were cattle. In the modern age, one of the first groups to mark their bodies were inmates, then whores, then the fkng nazis marked our brother jews, then these youngsters now.

    • @TheGamingLegendsOfficial
      @TheGamingLegendsOfficial 2 года назад +6

      @@webgpu that's a bit of a slippery slope fallacy, isn't it?

    • @pappaflammyboi5799
      @pappaflammyboi5799 2 года назад +1

      @@TheGamingLegendsOfficial Yeah, it's pretty slippery, but possibly not too far off the mark.

    • @jimviau327
      @jimviau327 2 года назад

      Well, He must be better than me, I have no tattoo to show off.

  • @emo6577
    @emo6577 4 года назад +47

    I love the way he talks about the subject. It’s easier to feel interested when he makes it seem so exciting

  • @MeDoMeer
    @MeDoMeer 4 года назад +62

    I love how his blackboard is so intensely clean

    • @alspezial2747
      @alspezial2747 3 года назад +1

      he does everything in his head, no blackboard needed

    • @shaunlastname391
      @shaunlastname391 3 года назад +1

      Or he's a conman on the grift, making up shapes as he goes and glibly explaining it to get recognition and subsequent riches to pay for more body art. The conmans clean blackboard is a gullibility mirror 🤣

  • @TheRetsekShow2236
    @TheRetsekShow2236 4 года назад +696

    "One of the central tensions in The Little Prince, other than the loss of childhood innocence" 😂😂😂

    • @tigershark8867
      @tigershark8867 4 года назад +3

      ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @loonycooney22
      @loonycooney22 4 года назад +21

      I don't know why, but I lost it when he said that.

    • @fictionmyth
      @fictionmyth 4 года назад +21

      @@loonycooney22 I wish you luck on finding it. :D

    • @Irondragon1945
      @Irondragon1945 4 года назад +2

      _its a great read..._

    • @trickytreyperfected1482
      @trickytreyperfected1482 4 года назад +1

      @@loonycooney22 Oh gosh, you lost your innocence too?

  • @DTHRocket
    @DTHRocket 4 года назад +685

    This guy probably never gets invited to play D&D with his friends. "Do you guys wanna know a cool thing about this D12?"
    "Here we go again..."

    • @ismailshtewi8560
      @ismailshtewi8560 4 года назад +24

      i'd happily abandon D&D to talk geometry with this dude

    • @remixtheidiot5771
      @remixtheidiot5771 4 года назад +8

      Ismail Shtewi who wouldn't?
      It is statistically proven that a majority of us d&d players are absolute nerds!!!
      (I'm a nerd and I play d&d so everyone else who plays d&d must also be a nerd!)

    • @TopLevelJiuJitsu
      @TopLevelJiuJitsu 4 года назад +2

      🤣

    • @CosmicPlatonix
      @CosmicPlatonix 4 года назад +2

      @Cliven Longsight Quick, find a mathematician who can get super-excited about antiprisms and isohedra!

    • @percy6532
      @percy6532 4 года назад

      Thats is why my dnd party hates me.

  • @laurusschluep7464
    @laurusschluep7464 4 года назад +603

    When a video is called "a new discovery about dodecahedrons" you know you're in for a ride

  • @supertrampolinethebatpony3841
    @supertrampolinethebatpony3841 4 года назад +23

    What I really find amazing is that their simplest answer is so simple that it’s easily visualized by the human brain; it’s not abstract at all like so many of the proofs or conjectures discussed on this channel. Like you could show that example to a mathematically inclined middle Schooler and they would understand what was going on. I think that’s so wonderful!

  • @espen990
    @espen990 4 года назад +148

    I wish someone looked at me the way this guy looks at dodecahedrons.

    • @madkirk7431
      @madkirk7431 4 года назад +2

      OOF

    • @TheJwbooth
      @TheJwbooth 3 года назад +5

      That's why his chalkboard is so clean, erasing all those naughty angles and planes

    • @klauspeter2199
      @klauspeter2199 2 года назад +2

      “How many pieces can I cut it into? I don’t know! Let’s find out!”

  • @UnkleRiceYo
    @UnkleRiceYo 4 года назад +1372

    2:28 Academy nominates Numberphile for best animated short horror film.

    • @volodyadykun6490
      @volodyadykun6490 4 года назад +22

      It's adorable

    • @namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682
      @namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682 4 года назад +70

      @@volodyadykun6490 Are you blind!? Look at it!

    • @volodyadykun6490
      @volodyadykun6490 4 года назад +13

      @@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682 and you are mean

    • @Alistair
      @Alistair 4 года назад +32

      @@volodyadykun6490 and you are trying to protect the feelings of a 3D model. Which happens to be possessed by a demon

    • @inigo8740
      @inigo8740 4 года назад +4

      @@Alistair that mathematician may be meant to be Hannah Fry

  • @sorrymyenglishbad2535
    @sorrymyenglishbad2535 4 года назад +525

    Never knew I'd be so interested in platonic solids and mathematical proofs. Sick video.

    • @ar_xiv
      @ar_xiv 4 года назад +10

      Well you have a truncated cube in your icon so that’s something

    • @DerpMuse
      @DerpMuse 4 года назад +4

      @@ar_xiv Its because only us cool kids use types of cubes in our pfp xD

    • @lhl2500
      @lhl2500 4 года назад +1

      @@DerpMuse No need to be hyper about it.

    • @jeffvader811
      @jeffvader811 4 года назад +2

      @@DerpMuse
      Oi, do you have a licence for that 4th spatial dimension?

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex 10 месяцев назад

      ??

  • @HalcyonSerenade
    @HalcyonSerenade 4 года назад +203

    It didn't surprise me at all when he said they've made educational materials about this for schools, because his explanations already sounded streamlined in a "for non-math enthusiasts" sense. Not just the words themselves, but his tone of voice implies much practice as well -- even compared to the Numberphile regulars, which is impressive!

    • @NoName-zn1sb
      @NoName-zn1sb 4 года назад

      ... kind of

    • @majinoyal
      @majinoyal 4 года назад +1

      Deep love how you broke that down

  • @brianbethea3069
    @brianbethea3069 3 года назад +15

    3:01 "One of the central tensions in The Little Prince *_(other than the loss of childhood innocence)_* is that the prince has a sheep on his planet..."
    This made me laugh.

  • @Jackderekhughes
    @Jackderekhughes 4 года назад +162

    “Other than the loss of childhood innocence

    • @sahemali2204
      @sahemali2204 4 года назад

      Nice

    • @satyris410
      @satyris410 4 года назад +1

      That was what I'd suggest the path be called: loss of innocence path

    • @Om_1337
      @Om_1337 3 года назад

      He quoted Ecclesiastes too

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 3 года назад

      @@Om_1337 To show that the holy book was wrong!?

  • @octooopus
    @octooopus 4 года назад +307

    The line on the dodecahedron almost hitting the points is like the DVD menu icon almost hitting the corners of the screen.

    • @sirlight-ljij
      @sirlight-ljij 4 года назад +17

      It is the exact same problem, as bouncing is continuing towards into a mirror image

    • @wmhilton-old
      @wmhilton-old 4 года назад +8

      Glad I'm not the only one who spent WAY to much time watching and waiting for a corner bounce to happen. I wonder if we had the same DVD player as kids?

    • @jekylhyde1843
      @jekylhyde1843 4 года назад +2

      I remember watching that and trying to solve it.

    • @CaptainWizard3000
      @CaptainWizard3000 4 года назад +4

      No, you should be glad that your tv was not shaped as a pentagon, because then you could've been watching forever...

  • @IanTanLK
    @IanTanLK 4 года назад +1691

    Mathematician: Platonic Solids.
    The rest of us: Dice

    • @TDGCmote
      @TDGCmote 4 года назад +55

      Ian Tan MY SPECIAL D12 CLICK CLACK

    • @emmybee5189
      @emmybee5189 4 года назад +50

      Ian Tan Ah, a man of culture I see. For this you get advantage on your next skill check

    • @404dne
      @404dne 4 года назад +21

      EXOTIC ENGRAM

    • @uristmcdwarfington8863
      @uristmcdwarfington8863 4 года назад +3

      @@404dne inDEEd

    • @shadycactus6146
      @shadycactus6146 4 года назад +34

      the d10 is my least favorite die because it’s not a platonic solid

  • @lovelaugh7299
    @lovelaugh7299 4 года назад +429

    "So what's your job"
    "I imagine small living creatures on geometric objects"
    "Haha... no seriously what's your job"
    "This is my job for the past 25 years"
    "😐"

    • @adamfirst3772
      @adamfirst3772 4 года назад +5

      ....."get a real job"....
      one where hypothetical sheep and joggers HAVE WIDTH..... then a SIMPLE brain-fart, doesnt become a 25 year challenge!,

    • @chrisregman29
      @chrisregman29 4 года назад +9

      Let's assume a spherical cow...

    • @chadstratton4926
      @chadstratton4926 4 года назад

      A genius doesn't waste the other person's time hiding deal breakers.

  • @mnek742
    @mnek742 4 года назад +62

    Interesting! I had no idea something like this was unknown until recently. Just for fun I calculated the areas of the two pieces separated by the primary "yellow brick road". Apparently they're not the same in area, one piece is 9.66% larger than the other. The larger piece is 65-sqrt(5) parts out of 120...

    • @arnavrawat9864
      @arnavrawat9864 2 года назад +2

      how did you do it

    • @mnek742
      @mnek742 2 года назад +10

      @@arnavrawat9864 Hmm, it was a while back, but if you look at the video at 6:50, you can find the areas of the two halves of the surface by carefully measuring all lengths and angles, and finding the area of a certain right triangle whose hypotenuse is the red line. I could produce a proof in a youtube video if there was enough interest, but alas you're the first person to ask! But thank you for asking.

    • @Joao-uj9km
      @Joao-uj9km 2 года назад

      😀

    • @PedroSilva-re6ck
      @PedroSilva-re6ck 2 года назад +3

      @@mnek742 Honestly, i would watch the proof 1000x, POST IT.

    • @steveparsons6719
      @steveparsons6719 2 года назад

      Well done for working this out. With the areas of the two surfaces being in the ratio of about 1·0966:1, I wonder whether the volumes of the two pieces are in the ratio of about 1·1483:1 ?

  • @unvergebeneid
    @unvergebeneid 4 года назад +685

    Who would've thought that there are still things to learn about the good old d12 :D

  • @wokeupinapanic
    @wokeupinapanic 4 года назад +31

    Man, I hope he gets to do a lot more videos in the future! He’s fantastic and enthusiastic!

  • @leadnitrate2194
    @leadnitrate2194 4 года назад +177

    The animation by Pete McPartlan is amazing. You guys have really outdone yourselves this time.
    Edit: Congratulations on the great discovery. A name for the simplest line could be The First Bridge of Koningsberg, I don't know

    • @jonathanlevy9635
      @jonathanlevy9635 4 года назад +1

      Bridges of kongisbreg is already taken

    • @leadnitrate2194
      @leadnitrate2194 4 года назад +3

      @@jonathanlevy9635 yeah I know, I was saying that the original problem that Euler solved was to avoid going through a vertex (but a graph theory vertex, if you know what I mean), and this is a similar problem but with the vertex being a "real" one.

  • @cinnamonbeardstud
    @cinnamonbeardstud 4 года назад +1

    This guy is great, he is a very clear speaker and doesn't fumble words.

  • @shabblabbat
    @shabblabbat 4 года назад +1

    I could listen to Jayadev explain anything....so brilliant but easy to understand.

  • @anonymouss8925
    @anonymouss8925 4 года назад +500

    I wish I had 31 ways to avoid my neighbors

    • @TykoBrian7
      @TykoBrian7 4 года назад +3

      Anonymous S move?

    • @s3cr3tpassword
      @s3cr3tpassword 4 года назад +19

      Live on a dodecahedron then

    • @eyetube33
      @eyetube33 4 года назад

      Use the back door or underground exit

    • @rafaelribas1027
      @rafaelribas1027 4 года назад +3

      Skip out the back, Jack; make a new plan, Stan...

    • @MarkusDarkess
      @MarkusDarkess 4 года назад +9

      Talk to them once and a while you will find that you will see them less.

  • @danielm.1441
    @danielm.1441 4 года назад +210

    Literally the cleanest blackboards I've seen in my life.

    • @hps362
      @hps362 4 года назад +3

      ...those _are_ blackboards...

    • @fringedwig4670
      @fringedwig4670 4 года назад

      @Hoaxcrit yas

  • @pyglik2296
    @pyglik2296 4 года назад +618

    Important problems for mathematicians: how to go jogging witgout meeting other people :)

    • @dependsonwhosasking
      @dependsonwhosasking 4 года назад +8

      And thus the treadmill was invented

    • @pentuplove6542
      @pentuplove6542 4 года назад

      witgout? A Dutch / English word? Wit is out and out is out.

    • @supertrampolinethebatpony3841
      @supertrampolinethebatpony3841 4 года назад +1

      Haha you never know when you’re going to run into a fellow Brony on the Internet!

    • @NotOneToFly
      @NotOneToFly 4 года назад +18

      Suddenly, this is a relevant question for EVERYONE

    • @FPrimeHD1618
      @FPrimeHD1618 4 года назад +1

      Next thing you know they are going to be telling us that a coffee cup and doughnut are the same thing!

  • @michaelstanley9960
    @michaelstanley9960 4 года назад +2

    I dont fully understand what your explaining but i love your enthusiasm and excitement on the subject. Shows that your really passionate for what your doing

  • @tristanrentz7687
    @tristanrentz7687 4 года назад +4

    Always great to see new faces on the show, but this guy takes the cake! His deep but light-hearted passion was infectious, accentuated by unique mannerisms that amounted to frequent full-body chuckling. A joy to watch.
    And the muse of his amusement: an outside-an-unexpected-Pandora's-box-of-a-realm, in the vicinity of the fundamentally familiar Euclidean solids! Great fun, many thanks..

  • @noahfine4820
    @noahfine4820 4 года назад +15

    I've been struggling a lot lately with a burnout in my passion for math. This video helped. Thank you

  • @dhoyt902
    @dhoyt902 4 года назад +23

    I don't know any of you, but when I watch Numberphile, I feel I am among friends.

  • @ericsmith5919
    @ericsmith5919 4 года назад +238

    "Here's a mathematical proof*!"
    *Some assembly required.

    • @trevorvanderwoerd8915
      @trevorvanderwoerd8915 4 года назад +6

      That's most proofs, but they usually word it as "left as an exercise for the reader."

    • @sk8rdman
      @sk8rdman 4 года назад +2

      @@trevorvanderwoerd8915 To be fair, that's the best way to get the reader to truly understand it. Force them to play around with it on their own.

    • @willowFFMPEG
      @willowFFMPEG 4 года назад +1

      Assembly? I thought this was numberphile not computerphile!

  • @denismilic1878
    @denismilic1878 3 года назад +1

    I watched 19 min long video about Dodecahedron, and I want more. This guy radiates positive energy. Extra footage, here I came!

  • @Simon-vf2bq
    @Simon-vf2bq 4 года назад +25

    2:38
    Its gonna haunt me in my nightmares

  • @niekwesseling4355
    @niekwesseling4355 4 года назад +6

    Love how clearly this problem and solution is explained. Also the questions were spot on with helping to gain more insight and understand this better. Great work!

  • @f5673-t1h
    @f5673-t1h 4 года назад +132

    Can we get more of this mathematician? I love his explanations.

    • @CalvinHikes
      @CalvinHikes 4 года назад +3

      Natalie made his idea clear he made it clear that he was the only one who had this idea. Which I appreciate it. Sometimes I'm not sure what the mathematician accomplished in this case he made that very clear as well.

    • @NoName-zn1sb
      @NoName-zn1sb 4 года назад

      @@CalvinHikes Kind of...

  • @SkillslliK
    @SkillslliK 4 года назад +13

    I can't thank him enough for his amazing proof that he submitted, what a passionate teacher. Need more of this type :)

  • @FPrimeHD1618
    @FPrimeHD1618 4 года назад +3

    This was my Number Theory professor in college. Hands down one of the best professors I have ever had. So cool seeing him on here!

  • @luemas3219
    @luemas3219 2 года назад +3

    Interestingly, I was building a wooden dodecahedron and as I was gluing and taping up the shape, I discovered this very thing. Great video.

  • @jedh3721
    @jedh3721 4 года назад +12

    The Dodecahedron has always been my favorite platonic solid, and I feel very justified seeing how weirdly different it is from the others even though I didn't know most of this stuff.

  • @TimJSwan
    @TimJSwan 4 года назад +106

    So weird! I recognized this guy. Sure enough, he was my math teacher at University of Illinois!!

    • @ElevateTheWord
      @ElevateTheWord 4 года назад +3

      Prove it !

    • @katherinewu3224
      @katherinewu3224 4 года назад +2

      Ray Bois nah i think timothy was just saying where he teaches

    • @ElevateTheWord
      @ElevateTheWord 4 года назад

      I think you lie!!!

    • @Not.Your.Business
      @Not.Your.Business 4 года назад

      ​@@raybois what is "name dropping"? never heard that before
      my first language isn't english

    • @Not.Your.Business
      @Not.Your.Business 4 года назад

      @@raybois thx
      learn something new every day

  • @deanc9195
    @deanc9195 4 года назад +44

    Round earth? NAH.
    Flat earth? NAH.
    Dodecahedral earth? YEAH!

  • @thornorium8983
    @thornorium8983 4 года назад +23

    "The Dodecapath" for the simple path name?

    • @msg.timothy4914
      @msg.timothy4914 4 года назад

      I'm stealing this for a school assignment

  • @bscutajar
    @bscutajar 3 года назад +1

    Videos like this are prime numberphile content. Simple questions with interesting answers and can be clearly explained in a 15 minute video.

  • @moralboundaries1
    @moralboundaries1 4 года назад +4

    Platonic solids are so fascinating and powerful. This is one of my favorite Numberphile videos. Great job Jayadev, Brady, and Pete! I felt a real sense of intrigue and mystery as you slowly explained the concept and revealed the story.

  • @Justifer14
    @Justifer14 4 года назад +32

    Love the shape animations!

  • @GummyGruffi
    @GummyGruffi 4 года назад +228

    Let's call shortest path "Antisocial lazy jogger".

    • @alexanderf8451
      @alexanderf8451 4 года назад +4

      Antisocial travelling salesman.

    • @androidwalle4932
      @androidwalle4932 4 года назад +6

      @@alexanderf8451 unsuccessful salesman!

    • @jekylhyde1843
      @jekylhyde1843 4 года назад

      GummyGruffi
      ALJ

    • @Mattle_lutra
      @Mattle_lutra 4 года назад +1

      It is however, misusing the term "antisocial", and the term he's looking for is "asocial".
      Antisocial: meaning one who actively seeks out to destroy social relationships (a term often used when describing psychopaths and sociopaths)
      Asocial: meaning one who shys away from being social (often a term used to descripe depression symptoms)

    • @samaraisnt
      @samaraisnt 4 года назад

      yyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeesss! You _have_ to use/include the jogger's dilemma, to omit it is a crime!

  • @Theooolone
    @Theooolone 4 года назад +11

    Thank you for letting me know that my sleep paralysis demon is an avid jogger.

  • @robinsonkaspar3395
    @robinsonkaspar3395 4 года назад +6

    When I thought of living on the point of a dodecahedron I thought about how steep a hill one would live on, and what that would look like perceptually, and how easy, if terrifyingly fast, if would be to bicycle over to a neighbors house (assuming a perfect bearings, lack of wind resistance, etc.)

  • @sajateacher
    @sajateacher 4 года назад +70

    I was actually thinking when I woke up this morning, "Gee, I really hope they discover something new about Dodecahedrons" and, well, there you have it. Could this day get any better?

  • @TheDarthsphincter
    @TheDarthsphincter 4 года назад +24

    "...my colleagues and I have been exploring a _facet_ of what would it be like to live on a platonic solid"

  • @UpNorthOfThe49th
    @UpNorthOfThe49th 7 месяцев назад

    The Roman Dodecahedrons reminds me of the ball for different size yarn or cloth or rope we used as a child to make rugs of all types. Different size holes made for using different types of materials to make a long rope for rugs. The little buttons are perfect for what we used to use such as nails to help loop the yarn or such into making the weave for the rope of the rugs.

  • @man_of_many_pants
    @man_of_many_pants 4 года назад +3

    The dodecehedron has fascinated me recently and I was not sure why. I was learning mandala, and found a way to connect points on concentric circles to make an artistic rendition of a perfect dodecehedron. Interesting how you could both run in a straight line on both a sphere and the dodecehedron and end up In the same place.

  • @benstapleton5319
    @benstapleton5319 4 года назад +454

    How about 'Pathy McPathyface' for the shortest path's name

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  4 года назад +125

      Don't be muscling in on my "Yellow Brick Road" idea! :)

    • @CalvinHikes
      @CalvinHikes 4 года назад +24

      What a time to be alive.

    • @PopeGoliath
      @PopeGoliath 4 года назад +10

      Came here to make this joke.

    • @ryanrising2237
      @ryanrising2237 4 года назад +3

      This is immediately where my mind went when I heard the speaker suggest looking for suggestions in the comments.

    • @thatoneguy9582
      @thatoneguy9582 4 года назад +1

      what about ‘P’

  • @BN-fi9wi
    @BN-fi9wi 4 года назад +12

    Starting my postgraduate studies in Mathematics this year and it's partly Numberphile's fault for featuring such well articulated topics. Hopefully one day I can articulate my ideas on the channel.

  • @jekylhyde1843
    @jekylhyde1843 4 года назад +62

    I feel like this is somehow going to improve battery technology.

    • @nishan375
      @nishan375 4 года назад +9

      It might improve teleporting technology in 2000 years. Who knows

    • @Rahul-uk4su
      @Rahul-uk4su 3 года назад +3

      Most of the theoretical physics in practical application is from maxwell's laws of electromagnetism and relativity which use math that is pretty standard for an undergraduate ,most of the pure math being worked on today ,ppl dont even know when and where it will be applied , mathematicians are stiving only to better the field so that when the time comes its ready for physicists

  • @arekkrolak6320
    @arekkrolak6320 2 года назад

    I have watched it second time after a break and I must say this scientist has ability to talk about maths with passion and involvement!

  • @rmreagle
    @rmreagle 4 года назад +56

    "The Dodequator"

  • @DerK3no
    @DerK3no 4 года назад +46

    The Mathematician‘s Dark Mark. 11:50

    • @Archanfel
      @Archanfel 4 года назад +6

      They wait when Dark Lord Euler will return.

  • @mxecho
    @mxecho 4 года назад +117

    "the Platonic Jogger"

    • @LordQueezle
      @LordQueezle 4 года назад +6

      Not only can you be a reclusive mathematician living on a dodecahedron... but you can also choose how long you want to run.

    • @roygalaasen
      @roygalaasen 4 года назад

      Lord Queezle Uh, I didn’t have time to watch till the end. Are you saying you could have an infinite run without passing through any of the corners? That is mind ... blown...

    • @jeremydavis3631
      @jeremydavis3631 4 года назад +2

      @@roygalaasen I haven't tried to prove it, but an infinitely long trajectory should be possible on any platonic solid. If you put the unfolded map on a coordinate plane, with at least two vertices on the x-axis, I conjecture that no trajectory with an irrational slope will intersect more than one vertex nor hit that vertex more than once (that is, it will intersect only one of the infinitely many colored points). It should be easiest to prove for the tetrahedron, since its map easily tesselates the plane. (If the map doesn't tesselate the plane, the slope might be different in different places because of the need to glue together sides that aren't touching, but it should always remain irrational.) A similar setup is often used to show how few rational numbers there are as compared to the irrational numbers around them.

    • @roygalaasen
      @roygalaasen 4 года назад +1

      Jeremy Davis yes, I think you are right. I realised that it should be possible short after posting my comment. Thank you for your explanation.

    • @Axacqk
      @Axacqk 4 года назад +2

      @@jeremydavis3631 It boils down to cardinality. The path is completely defined by the starting direction. There is a continuum of possible starting directions, while there are only countably many directions where you will eventually hit a vertex (that includes non-solutions due to running into a neighbor's house). Therefore most paths are infinite.

  • @richierich6389
    @richierich6389 4 года назад +3

    This guy should be a maths teacher...
    You can see he wants to say so many things at the same time and he's digging for the right words that everyone could understand and he uses awesome examples ,🙏🙏

  • @noahhastings6145
    @noahhastings6145 4 года назад +67

    "There's the cube. Everyone knows the cube."
    Scanlan? >.>

    • @J2982able
      @J2982able 4 года назад +4

      "Cube, glorious cube!"

    • @kane2056
      @kane2056 4 года назад +10

      I knew I'd find critters under a video on dodecahedrons

    • @rebeccamiller1400
      @rebeccamiller1400 4 года назад +2

      @@kane2056 How could we not be here in some form. :) This is actually really cool, I wonder what the applications of this will be.

    • @shadycactus6146
      @shadycactus6146 4 года назад

      Julian Wörner same, although i was expecting more c2 rather than c1 lol

  • @AlwinMao
    @AlwinMao 4 года назад +322

    another suggestion:
    le petit path

    • @loganstrong5426
      @loganstrong5426 4 года назад +28

      So, path in French is chemin (according to Google translate), but another word is trajet, and I like that better because of its similarity to trajectory. Le Petit Trajet.

    • @connorhamilton5707
      @connorhamilton5707 4 года назад +1

      Is there anyway we can make this have 12 letters? Other than swapping le with the, since The Petit Path sounds awkward with the french version of the word in the middle of english.

    • @didz65
      @didz65 4 года назад +5

      Somehow i think La petite path is more appropriate because i assume the path is feminine (yep in french you assume gender for everything). But it really depends how you translate it. For example chemin and trajet are both masculine (le petit), but the first translation that came to my mind is trajectoire (la petite). Trajet and chemin are more like roads or itinerary, trajectoire is the word you would use in maths.

    • @iminni3459
      @iminni3459 4 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @drawapretzel6003
      @drawapretzel6003 4 года назад

      do "mon chemin quotidien" or something bain/pain if theres a better french pun

  • @happydays3300
    @happydays3300 4 года назад +21

    The code they did to solve this problem, is more impressive then the actual problem being solved, I just had a look, first thing I noticed was zero errors.😂

  • @Sharklops
    @Sharklops 4 года назад +168

    I'd buy a Numberphile shirt featuring that sheep with a rose in its mouth (aka, the Parker Sheep)

    • @rosiefay7283
      @rosiefay7283 4 года назад +2

      Perhaps you could do it on a Parker cube!

    • @andrewkepert923
      @andrewkepert923 4 года назад

      Wrong sort of dodecahedron for Matt

  • @davidk3849
    @davidk3849 4 года назад +12

    This man is explaining how get a Fragment of Possibility

  • @josephyoung6749
    @josephyoung6749 Год назад

    rewatched to enjoy some abstract thinking, but also to admire the narrator, Mr. Athreya's gentle voice

  • @roarkely
    @roarkely 4 года назад +11

    I love them all, but this was a particularly satisfying episode. Let's hear more from Jayadev and his colleagues!

  • @afinafina
    @afinafina 4 года назад +33

    Name suggestion for class 1: Lazy Prince Path
    Name suggestion for class 31: Drunk Prince Path
    LE: and have a spectrum from 1 to 31 going from Laziest to Drunkest

    • @not2tired
      @not2tired 4 года назад +1

      Which number would be the Ozzy path?

    • @barbiefan3874
      @barbiefan3874 4 года назад +1

      @@not2tired 32nd

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 года назад +10

    It's weird how I have no interest in math in school, but I'm very interested in it while watching this channel.

    • @chuuuu1131
      @chuuuu1131 4 года назад

      High school math is boring

    • @MuzikBike
      @MuzikBike 4 года назад

      MATH: Magnificently Amazing, Taught Horribly

    • @miro007ist
      @miro007ist 4 года назад

      Stop this

    • @HonkeyKongLive
      @HonkeyKongLive 4 года назад +3

      I think it's because this channel only shows us the interesting conclusions, we aren't spending months grinding through the less sexy day-by-day work that it takes to get there. We like seeing finished products and concise explanations of them, but we don't want to be the one tasked with finding them. Think about how often presenters on this channel sort of gloss over "we can prove this but I won't do that here," because the machinations of why and how isn't as fun. Think of it like showing off game mechanics vs sitting for a year programming it.

  • @coopaloopmex
    @coopaloopmex 3 года назад

    Everything about this channel is amazing!!!!

  • @BlueGiant69202
    @BlueGiant69202 4 года назад +8

    Great video! I wonder if there is a relationship to the following:
    Synergetics by R. Buckminster Fuller
    457.40 Spherical Polyhedra in Icosahedral System: The 31 great circles of the spherical icosahedron provide spherical edges for three other polyhedra in addition to the icosahedron: the rhombic triacontrahedron, the octahedron, and the pentagonal dodecahedron. The edges of the spherical icosahedron are shown in heavy lines in the illustration.

  • @donmoore7785
    @donmoore7785 4 года назад +6

    Awesome! The animations and graphs are excellent. Love the way my mind is stretched with this channel. "The anti-social jogger problem" descriptor cracked me up.

  • @boklasarmarkus
    @boklasarmarkus 4 года назад +5

    One thing I don't understand is why this wasn't discoverd earlier, Since unfolding the shape and and drawing lines must have been tried before. What made it so hard?

  • @TheMrvidfreak
    @TheMrvidfreak 4 года назад +39

    Numberphile: platonic solids
    Me and my crush: solidly platonic

  • @crazyjam6551
    @crazyjam6551 2 года назад

    A flat picture hanging Laser and origami shape gives this nice perspective in the hand.
    The use of a mirror makes it great to teach kids this kind of mind-blowing stuff .
    They don't have to understand it to be intrigued ....
    Energy follows these same patterns.

  • @paulf5351
    @paulf5351 5 месяцев назад

    For old people in the US the most famous shortcut is the Slauson Cutoff. I'm fascinated with affine transforms. More please.

  • @samrichardson5971
    @samrichardson5971 4 года назад +45

    I’ve been building an imaginary world based on an icosahedron but I might consider a dodecahedron too now!

    • @WildVoltorb
      @WildVoltorb 4 года назад

      Why not a sphere?

    • @samrichardson5971
      @samrichardson5971 4 года назад +3

      Voltorb I’m a topologist, as he said in the video, they’re all the same in my eyes! But really it’s interesting to think about how the high ridges would affect how inhabitants experience gravity. By introducing an in universe magic it can be fun to explore how such a planet would come to exist and how it changes over time!

    • @billyrussell7789
      @billyrussell7789 4 года назад

      Voltorb arent spheres just boring orbs?

  • @spokehedz
    @spokehedz 4 года назад +11

    I love how Brady went in with the "I can make this outta cardboard!" and then Jayadev was all like, "Nah, let me move these goalposts a bit..."

  • @KeeganKeegan
    @KeeganKeegan 4 года назад +6

    The Stanley Parable Adventure Line! A perfect name for line with intersection 8.

  • @heatblayze
    @heatblayze 4 года назад +1

    Yes!! My mind instantly jumped to cutting and measuring the shapes too! Great video :D

  • @robm9578
    @robm9578 4 года назад +6

    Given the icosahedron and dodecahedron are duals of one another, I’m surprised the same property does not extend to the icosahedron.

  • @cwstevens71
    @cwstevens71 4 года назад +10

    There’s always something to discover even when the ideas run out.

  • @j.vonhogen9650
    @j.vonhogen9650 4 года назад +29

    18:20 - I was wondering if you could turn these areas into blocks and then turn them into a Rubik's Puzzle by mounting them on an internal moving sphere or system of rotating axes. I used to have such a puzzle called the "Skewb Ultimate", invented by Tony Durham, but that one only had 12 blocks/areas (same number as the amount of sides). I assume the number of blocks can be increased using these newly discovered paths, but maybe the arrangement of these blocks will prevent them from moving (i.e. rotating around an axis).
    I would love to have some feedback on this from those who are familiar with this type of puzzle.

    • @sebastianjost
      @sebastianjost 4 года назад +6

      At first I was thinking the same, then I realized that (I think) it isn't possible.
      To be able to turn these blocks you have to make the cut along one plane.
      So basically you take the intersection of a plane and the dodecahedron.
      That way you always end up with a path that never intersects itself.
      And I think these paths that are created through intersection with a plane are not straight paths according definition explained in the video.

    • @kosmonautdan6715
      @kosmonautdan6715 4 года назад +4

      Sadly impossible. Take any puzzle cube (solid?) and rotate a side halfway. The edges of the plane of rotation form a closed path that excludes all other planes of rotation. So in other words, there is always a multitude of closed paths on a puzzle cube. The exception being (not much of) a puzzle cube with only two blocks. Wouldn't work for path 1 here either btw, because the plane it forms isn't flat.
      It's sad because this would have been an incredible puzzle really. +10 for inspiration.

    • @eyetube33
      @eyetube33 4 года назад +1

      Try the megaminx. Or teraminx. The only way to increase it is to make it bigger

    • @DaveKD
      @DaveKD 4 года назад

      kosmonaut dan o BB by

  • @taurusgem4244
    @taurusgem4244 4 года назад

    omg... not only that it proves the motion that you explained, but also if you put each of those guys together you would create the space which could be filled with what Terrence Howard was speaking about which also creates that same kind of motion almost as if moving down the spine in circular motion just as the earth moves away from the sun... giant puzzle complete into creation that which you could recreate into building a whole new planet. Instead of building vehicles, you could create a building which also would align with the motion of the winds knowing how radical wind motion is and the stability that will be able to withstand earthquakes and it could be of any shape or size and completed to bend or move from place to place... wow. my mind just exploded... thank you.

  • @Witchlinblue
    @Witchlinblue Год назад

    I could listen to this guy all day

  • @GordonGarvey
    @GordonGarvey 4 года назад +6

    I became fascinated with dodecahedrons a few months ago when in a museum I found one of the many artifacts of that shape found mainly in gallo-roman sites, its use completely unknown. Viruses are also made from multiple pentagons constructing a dodecahedron, it's like the hexagon of the 3D world.

    • @C4pungMaster
      @C4pungMaster 4 года назад

      Thats quite interesting. Though im pretty sure viruses (what first came to my mind was bacteriophages) have icosahedron shape instead of dodecahedron.

    • @thecuriousgorilla6005
      @thecuriousgorilla6005 4 года назад

      @@C4pungMaster I think they might do both

    • @NashvilleMonkey1000
      @NashvilleMonkey1000 4 года назад

      Coincidentally those ancient Roman dodecahedra with knobs on the corners were for glove making, and the first piece of thread making the opening for the hand takes the same route as this path.

  • @luisbreva6122
    @luisbreva6122 4 года назад +73

    2:29 You had the opportunity of puting Minecraft grass noises and you lost it

  • @skylarhawson5814
    @skylarhawson5814 4 года назад +6

    *opens RUclips, sees the thumbnail for this video* A video about dodecahedrons posted 12 hours ago? I guess it was meant to be

  • @lawiez
    @lawiez 4 года назад

    this channel disappeared from my feed for more than a year, i'm glad it popped up again, gotta hit that bell icon!

  • @stuartmacintosh4868
    @stuartmacintosh4868 4 года назад +2

    Amazing work. I can already imagine how this could be applied to 3D graphics optimisation problems.

  • @Einyen
    @Einyen 4 года назад +6

    From Figure 2 at 15:05 if the pentagon side length is "t", then the shortest path is: sqrt(33.5 + 14.5*sqrt(5)) * t which is approximately 8.12 * t

    • @jonathandriggers7029
      @jonathandriggers7029 4 года назад

      Aggravatingly close to 5*phi. I had to do an exact calculation on my own to make sure because I was hoping we could be semi-boring and name it the 5*phi line.

  • @giefuser
    @giefuser 4 года назад +8

    For a path that crosses itself the most: The Brady Braid!

  • @PedanticAntics
    @PedanticAntics 4 года назад +32

    "The Athreyan Cut"
    "The Jayadev-ision"
    "The Friend Zone"